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Any thoughts on tube rolling rectifiers?
05/02/22 at 19:12:29
 
What are owners trying? Would Sophia Electric Aqua 274B rectifier tubes work with the ToriiMK5?
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Re: Any thoughts on tube rolling rectifier?
Reply #1 - 05/02/22 at 19:14:35
 
It would work. I have found a pair in my SE84UFO3 mono blocks to be the best I've used so far.
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Reply #2 - 05/02/22 at 19:26:03
 
Thanks Lon,

What about type 80's with adapters. Remembered reading Steve's ToriiMK5 thread something about using 8uf capacitor . Making it more forgiving to roll rectifies.
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Reply #3 - 05/02/22 at 20:01:23
 
The Sophia Electric Aqua 274B would go good with DHC3. If your into color schemes lol.  Do have 80's with adapters.
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Reply #4 - 05/02/22 at 20:05:03
 
They should work fine. I have a few pairs and with another tube complement in the mono blocks they are very nice. I use them with my CSP3 and CSP2 preamplifiers. And often in my Taboo Mk IV.
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Reply #5 - 05/02/22 at 20:08:34
 
Thank you Lon
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Reply #6 - 05/03/22 at 04:48:51
 
Joking around with the color scheme, what make of OA3 glows blue? If I get a Decware amp plan on using the stock tubes for months running right from my dac.

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Reply #7 - 05/03/22 at 12:27:42
 
No 0A3 glow blue as far as I know.

The 0B3, 0C3 and 0D3 that I have used all glow blue. The blue isnít very pronounced in most of them.

Changing the 0_3 tube will have a significant change in sound if it reacts similarly to the UFO25TH and Torii MKIV.

They are cool looking though.

Without knowing how the amp sounds with the stock tubes, itís a shot in the dark if the SE 274b will take you in the direction you want to go or not.

Iím looking forward to using the EML 5u4g in the MKV. In the UFO25TH I greatly preferred the EML over the SE. Running EML in my Torii MKIV now, they are the favorite rectifier Iíve run. Iím waiting to get my MKV until I sell off some of my NOS matched pairs.

They are light and airy, full of texture, nuance and micro detail. The sound stage is wide and enveloping. Highs are shimmering and hang in the air. Bass is the tight, fast and controlled while being airy at the same time. Itís really wild.

The SE (only compared SE and EML in UFO25TH) is a quality tube. Itís a more dense-thick sound. The soundstage isnít as wide or deep.




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Reply #8 - 05/03/22 at 13:27:07
 
Very nice thanks GroovySauce.
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Reply #9 - 05/03/22 at 18:29:37
 
GroovySauce,

Are you using a preamp with your Torii MKIV?
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Reply #10 - 05/03/22 at 20:59:46
 
I'm using the EMIA Remote Autoformer, it's a passive preamp. I've been smitten by it from the moment I first plugged it in.
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Reply #11 - 05/03/22 at 23:29:13
 
Impressive GroovySauce!
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Reply #12 - 05/12/22 at 05:04:34
 
GroovySauce,


What power tubes are you using in your picture?
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Reply #13 - 05/12/22 at 11:35:50
 
Cryotone KT77.

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Reply #14 - 06/16/22 at 15:46:21
 
Show and tell GroovySauce







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Reply #15 - 06/16/22 at 16:25:10
 
jec3504, are you also using KT77's in your mkV?
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Reply #16 - 06/16/22 at 16:28:44
 
Giggsy,

Running all stock tubes JJ EL34.
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Reply #17 - 06/16/22 at 23:37:02
 
Thanks,

mine is currently building so starting to think about whether to run with KT77's as Steve recommended them in the build thread.
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Reply #18 - 06/17/22 at 02:48:16
 
Excellent Giggsy, please share your impressions. What speakers are you using with your Torri?

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Reply #19 - 06/17/22 at 05:21:45
 
I have PAP Trio horn1 speakers with 2x paradigm x12 subs.
They are an easy load, currently running a bottlehead 300b amp which is 8W.
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Reply #20 - 06/17/22 at 18:57:04
 
Giggsy,

Outstanding!!! another Torri owner with my dream speakers. Other than getting some back up power tubes, most likely Cryotone EL34's and a couple of 5AR4's not really thinking about tubes that much. Little green on the tube amps plus have some building to do while the weather is nice. Room treatments and more baffles. Not to mention need a preamp and Dac. Groovy and Brad will have their MK5's by then should be in a good position to explore all the tube nuances I imagine.

Wish I could help more sorry,

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Reply #21 - 06/24/22 at 02:59:08
 
Can say this, Changing the rectifiers make a huge impact on the Torri.
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Reply #22 - 06/24/22 at 14:42:13
 
Which ones did you try, the 247b?
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Reply #23 - 06/24/22 at 16:42:46
 
Hi Giggsy,

So far I have used 5U3C black plates and Mullard GZ34 / 5AR4 f-32 8 notch. Just a preliminary test. The stock tubes were GE 5U4GB. My Cryotone 5AR4 and EL34 should arrive today.

Probably a good idea to get out the socket savers. Underestimated the benefits of changing rectifiers. See myself down the road wanting EML 5U4G and the SE 274B. This is a selfish hobby.

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Reply #24 - 06/24/22 at 18:32:22
 
Let's hope it's not a money pit  :)
I decided to try the Cryotone KT77's.
Amp is in packing stage so should be here soon.
I also see myself going down the EML/SE road, won't be able to help myself.
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Reply #25 - 06/24/22 at 21:54:30
 
Congrats Giggsy,

Won't be long now, feels good after the wait to have such a payoff for being so patient. FWIW it's all been money well spent.

Can't wait to hear you thoughts.

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Reply #26 - 06/27/22 at 20:17:25
 
When my order from Cryotone arrived, Don sent me EL84's. This gave me a chance to run the Cryotone 5AR4's with the stock JJ EL34's. So I had a little taste with a few different rectifiers and the stock JJ's. The Cryotone EL34's arrived in 2 working days. I can say this, the stock JJ EL34's are back in their box. Will they see the light of day again? Not anytime soon.

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Reply #27 - 06/28/22 at 14:49:27
 
Was there a marked improvement with the cryotone 5AR4?
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Reply #28 - 06/28/22 at 22:48:04
 
Giggsy,

Spent 3 days with each rectifiers and the stock JJ EL34. Like them all. The Cryotone smoothed out the JJ EL34 the most. The Cryotone EL 34s are very clean and really different from the stock JJs.

Would like to try some Cryotone preamp tubes and 2 OA3.

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