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I love analogue
04/07/21 at 04:34:35
 
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Tonight I am spinning some vinyl, and without getting long winded (well scratch that),  as good as the digital has been getting on my digital journey, tonight I simply crushed it into the dirt.  My vinyl rig on a great sounding record is a force to wrecken with, giving the tape machines a situation where they must perform at 110% to be noticeably any better.

I played a record that a new customer sent to me by the band Enoch Light and the Light Brigade... titled "Big Bold and Brassy" (c) 1960 and  if you've ever watched the cartoon Tom and Jerry, this record distorted my reality in a similar way.  The highs almost broke glass but in the most satisfying way...  Truly audiophiles are forgetting what dynamics really are, as there is nothing on streaming services that will touch this. RCA Dynagroove is another mind numbingly good series of recordings that will make your stereo sound like someone brought over a new amplifier or speakers. Actually what it sounds like is the big band came by your house, put your stereo out in the yard, came in the house, set up a live gig and showed you what it was suppose to actually sound like.

After listening to that I went for a new/old re-release on vinyl from "The WHO", titled Tommy. It sounded like someone removed the tweeters from my speakers by comparison --  Such a joke.

There has been many times when listening to various DACs that I have thought, "this is better than my vinyl rig", but it wasn't. The way the vinyl rig makes the music explode into the room on the right recordings goes well beyond the window I have heard digital CD's and hi-res downloads and streaming achieve. The contrast is so much larger than it is with digital, or is it?  

I guess the way to settle the debate is to ask yourself how many times while listening to vinyl did I think it sounded better than digital vs. the other way around... and there you will find your answer.

Soon I will have a new holy grail DAC and will embellish it with a great tube preamp and anything else it might want to try to lessen the gap.

It would be so great if recordings weren't mastered different for each format, so we could actually tell which one was really better... ; )

Picture another planet where digital has been the technology for over 2.3 million years... someone created a phono cartridge - a fine jewel of magnatism that takes the music and creates a conduit for consciousness to breath into it changing the sound from real good, to real real.

Literally I have seen the faces of artists that I didn't know on stage with my eyes closed in front of this vinyl rig only to look it up on Tidal and see them for the first time nearly the same as I pictured them.  I have almost smelled the music.

Side note, if this happens to you and the music sounds like shit, consider it a red alert that something is amiss.



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Look, I got myself so wound up I made a whopping $40 investment in a brand new like 10 record set from Dynagroove that has never been played...

Check out this play list.  And understand it is like listening to master tapes on a consumer grade tape machine.

Vinyl Album, Purchased, Opened, Never Played, Near Mint Condition.
All Time Broadway Hit Parade: The 120 Greatest Songs (Vinyl, LP, Compilation, Stereo) album cover
Various ‎– All Time Broadway Hit Parade: The 120 GreatestSongs

Label: Reader's Digest ‎– RDS-18-1, RCA ‎– RDS-SPS-18

Format: 11 × Vinyl, LP, Compilation, Stereo, Dyna groove BoxSet

Country: United States, Released: 1966, Genre: Stage &Screen & Broadway

Style: Theme, Musical, Broadway

Track List

A1          –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  There's NoBusiness Like Show Business From Annie Get Your Gun        

A2          –RobertPeterson (3) With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra   IfEver I Would Leave You From Camelot  

A3          –DouglasGamley And His Orchestra           Love IsA Simple Thing From New Faces Of 1952    

A4          –Adele LeighWith Richard Benson And His Orchestra           GettingTo Know You From The King And I    

A5          –JackBlackton* With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*           JustIn Time From Bells Are Ringing

A6          –RosalindPage*, Jack Blackton*, Stanley Grover, Robert Peterson (3) With Wally Stott AndHis Orchestra*          And This Is MyBeloved From Kismet        

B1          –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  OklahomaFrom Oklahoma!        

B2          –IvorEmmanuel With Richard Benson And His Orchestra    Oh,What A Beautiful Mornin' From Oklahoma!

B3          –JamesWalker Chorus* And Orchestra*   The SurreyWith The Fringe On Top From Oklahoma!        

B4          –MargotMoser And Robert Peterson (3) With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra               People Will Say We're In LoveFrom Oklahoma!    

B5          –Wally StottAnd His Orchestra*  I Love You FromMexican Hayride

B6          –RosemarySquires With Ken Thorne And His Orchestra       Makin'Whoopee! From Whoopee          

C1          –RobertBentley And His Orchestra             WithA Little Bit Of Luck From My Fair Lady              

C2          –Doreen HumeWith Hill Bowen And His Orchestra I CouldHave Danced All Night From My Fair Lady      

C3          –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  On TheStreet Where You Live From My Fair Lady      

C4          –RosemarySquires And Jack Blackton* With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra I Could Write A Book From Pal Joey          

C5          –DouglasGamley And His Orchestra           SeptemberSong From Knickerbocker Holiday              

C6          –StanleyGrover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     TheBest Things In Life Are Free From Good News    

D1          –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  Seventy SixTrombones From The Music Man              

D2          –RosemarySquires With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*     TillThere Was You From The Music Man        

D3          –StanleyGrover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     TheLady Is A Tramp From Babes In Arms    

D4          –Wally StottAnd His Orchestra*  Where Or When From BabesIn Arms        

D5          –RosemarySquires With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra      IWish I Were In Love Again From Babes In Arms        

D6          –LeslieFyson With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra          SitDown, You're Rockin' The Boat From Guys And Dolls            

E1           –WallyStott And His Orchestra*  Bali Ha'i FromSouth Pacific          

E2           –IvorEmmanuel With Richard Benson And His Orchestra    SomeEnchanted Evening From South Pacific          

E3           –RobertBentley And His Orchestra             YoungerThan Springtime From South Pacific              

E4           –Jack Blackton*With Lee Roberts Chorus* And Orchestra* Bidin'My Time From Girl Crazy    

E5           –RosemarySquires With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*     ButNot For Me From Girl Crazy    

E6           –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  Of Thee ISing From Of Thee I Sing              

F1           –DoreenHume With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra ShallWe Dance? From The King And I              

F2           –WallyStott And His Orchestra*  Hello, YoungLovers From The King And I  

F3           –RosemarySquires And Stanley Grover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra               They Say It's Wonderful FromAnnie Get Your Gun

F4           –TheFoursome With Roland Shaw And His Orchestra*        HeartFrom Damn Yankees              

F5           –StanleyGrover With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra           ComeTo Me, Bend To Me From Brigadoon

F6           –RonnieOgden And His Orchestra              ButtonUp Your Overcoat From Follow Thru              

G1          –PeterKnight Chorus* And Orchestra*      June IsBustin' Out All Over From Carousel

G2          –MargotMoser And Robert Peterson (3) With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra      If I Loved You From Carousel            

G3          –RobertMandell And His Orchestra            YouAnd The Night And The Music From Revenge With Music      

G4          –JackBlackton* With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*           Oh,Lady Be Good From Lady, Be Good!            

G5          –CallaMarkwell With Ronnie Ogden And His Orchestra       SpeakLow From One Touch Of Venus            

G6          –Wally StottAnd His Orchestra*  Mack The Knife FromThreepenny Opera  

H1          –BrianJohnson And Doreen Hume With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra           Wunderbar From Kiss Me, Kate          

H2          –RonnieOgden And His Orchestra              DancingIn The Dark From The Band Wagon              

H3          –RosemarySquires With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*     ThouSwell From A Connecticut Yankee        

H4          –JackBlackton* With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*           TryTo Remember From The Fantasticks        

H5          –Wally StottAnd His Orchestra*  Bewitched From PalJoey

H6          –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  Drums On MyHeart From Through The Years              

I1            –RobertBentley And His Orchestra             Everything'sComing Up Roses From Gypsy              

I2            –JulieDawn With Roland Shaw And His Orchestra*              OurLanguage Of Love From Irma La Douce  

I3            –MargotMoser And Stanley Grover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra Tea For Two From No, No Nanette    

I4            –HillBowen Chorus* And Orchestra*         Hallelujah!From Hit The Deck      

I5            –WallyStott And His Orchestra*  Time On My HandsFrom Smiles  

I6            –RosemarySquires With Ken Thorne And His Orchestra       WhateverLola Wants (Lola Gets) From Damn Yankees            

J1           –RosalindPage* With Robert Mandell Chorus And Orchestra*          TheSound Of Music From The Sound Of Music            

J2           –DoreenHume With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra Do-Re-MiFrom The Sound Of Music              

J3           –RosemarySquires With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra      MyFavorite Things From The Sound Of Music

J4           –RobertMandell And His Orchestra            OnceIn A Lifetime From Stop The World--I Want To Get Off

J5           –PeterKnight Chorus* And Orchestra*      EasterParade From As Thousands Cheer  

J6           –StanleyGrover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     WhoCan I Turn To From The Roar Of The Greasepaint--The Smell Of The Crowd

K1           –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  Hello,Dolly! From Hello, Dolly!    

K2           –LeeRoberts And His Orchestra   I Didn't KnowWhat Time It Was From Too Many Girls              

K3           –RosemarySquires With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*     IMay Be Wrong, But I Think You're Wonderful From John Murray Anderson's Almanac

K4           –RobertPeterson (3) With Lee Roberts And His Orchestra   TheSweetest Sounds From No Strings          

K5           –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            YouTook Advantage Of Me From Present Arms    

K6           –MargotMoser With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     SmokeGets In Your Eyes From Roberta    

L1           –PeterKnight Chorus* And Orchestra*      StrikeUp The Band From Strike Up The Band              

L2           –RonnieOgden And His Orchestra              SomethingTo Remember You By From Three's A Crowd              

L3           –MargotMoser With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     YoungAnd Foolish From Plain And Fancy          

L4           –TonyMansell With The Foursome And Roland Shaw And His Orchestra*     Once In Love With Amy From Where's Charley?              

L5           –WallyStott And His Orchestra*  Soft Lights AndSweet Music From Face The Music

L6           –PeterKnight Chorus* And Orchestra*      IMarried An Angel From I Married An Angel              

M1         –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  A Lot OfLivin' To Do From Bye Bye Birdie

M2         –Wally StottAnd His Orchestra*  What Is This ThingCalled Love From Wake Up And Dream  

M3         –CallaMarkwell With Ronnie Ogden And His Orchestra       HeatWave From As Thousands Cheer            

M4         –BryanJohnson (4) And Doreen Hume With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra    I've Told Ev'ry Little Star From Music InThe Air        

M5         –RosemarySquires With Ken Thorne And His Orchestra       SomeoneTo Watch Over Me From Oh, Kay!  

M6         –Ronnie OgdenAnd His Orchestra              This Can'tBe Love From The Boys Of Syracuse              

N1          –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            There'sA Small Hotel From On Your Toes

N2          –RosemarySquires And Stanley Grover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra         Old Devil Moon From Finian's Rainbow            

N3          –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            MountainGreenery From The Garrick Gaieties              

N4          –JackBlackton* With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     TheyWere You From The Fantasticks        

N5          –RosemarySquires With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*     GetHappy From 9:15 Revue              

N6          –Hill BowenChorus* And Orchestra*         All TheThings You Are From Very Warm For May      

O1          –TheFoursome With Roland Shaw And His Orchestra*        Hernando'sHideaway From The Pajama Game            

O2          –RosemarySquires With Ken Thorne And His Orchestra       I'veGot A Crush On You From Strike Up The Band          

O3          –Alan RoperAnd His Orchestra     On A Clear Day YouCan See Forever From On A Clear Day You Can See Forever

O4          –JackBlackton* With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra     ComeBack To Me From On A Clear Day You Can See Forever    

O5          –RosalindPage* With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra             TheNight Was Made For Love From Cat And The Fiddle      

O6          –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            StrangeMusic From Song Of Norway        

P1           –PeterKnight Chorus* And Orchestra*      GreatDay From Great Day!          

P2           –RosemarySquires With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra              HowLong Has This Been Going On? From Rosalie      

P3           –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            SomebodyLoves Me From George White's Scandals            

P4           –MargotMoser And Stanley Grover With Robert Mandell And His Orchestra The Blue Room From The Girl Friend          

P5           –Julie DawnWith Roland Shaw And His Orchestra*              MyHeart Belongs To Daddy From Leave It To Me      

P6           –WallyStott And His Orchestra*  Embraceable YouFrom Girl Crazy

Q1          –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            MakeSomeone Happy From Do Re Mi      

Q2          –RosemarySquires With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*     AsLong As He Needs Me From Oliver!      

Q3          –BryanJohnson (4) And Rita Williams With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra      You're The Top From Anything Goes

Q4          –TonyMansell With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*             HowAre Things In Glocca Morra? From Finian's Rainbow    

Q5          –RonnieOgden And His Orchestra              BodyAnd Soul From Three's A Crowd        

Q6          –Julie DawnWith Roland Shaw And His Orchestra*              LoveMe Or Leave Me From Whoopee          

R1          –PeterKnight Chorus* And Orchestra*      Hey,Look Me Over From Wildcat

R2          –Adele LeighWith Richard Benson And His Orchestra           MyRomance From Jumbo              

R3          –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            SmallWorld From Gypsy

R4          –PeterKnight Chorus* And Peter Knight Orchestra AprilShowers From Bombo          

R5          –RosemarySquires With Ken Thorne And His Orchestra       Can'tHelp Lovin' Dat Man From Show Boat

R6          –Wally StottAnd His Orchestra*  With A Song In MyHeart From Spring Is Here        

S1           –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            ManhattanFrom The Garrick Gaieties      

S2           –RosemarySquires With Ken Thorne And His Orchestra       PeopleFrom Funny Girl  

S3           –JamesWalker Chorus* And Orchestra*   BuckleDown, Winsocki From Best Foot Forward

S4           –RobertPeterson (3) With Chorus* And Orchestra*             Sunrise,Sunset From Fiddler On The Roof      

S5           –CallaMarkwell With Ronnie Ogden And His Orchestra       IGet A Kick Out Of You From Anything Goes  

S6           –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            So InLove From Kiss Me, Kate      

T1           –RobertPeterson (3) With Wally Stott And His Orchestra*  Night And Day From Gay Divorce

T2           –RosalindPage* With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra             TonightFrom West Side Story              

T3           –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  SomewhereFrom West Side Story            

T4           –DoreenHume With Hill Bowen And His Orchestra TheyDidn't Believe Me From The Girl From Utah          

T5           –JohnnyDouglas And His Orchestra            TheParty's Over From Bells Are Ringing    

T6           –RobertMandell Chorus And Orchestra*  Give MyRegards To Broadway From Little Johnny Jones    

Bonus Record: Broadway Showstoppers

U1          –JamesWalker Chorus* And Orchestra*   Get Me ToThe Church On Time  

U2          –RichardBenson And His Orchestra            Summertime      

U3          –Wally Stott& His Orchestra         Taking AChance On Love

U4          –RonnieOgden And His Orchestra              MyHeart Stood Still        

U5          –Wally Stott& His Orchestra         I Guess I'llHave To Change My Plans        

U6          –RichardBenson And His Orchestra            WillYou Remember        

V1          –JamesWalker And His Orchestra*             MarchOf The Siamese Children  

V2          –JamesWalker Chorus* And Orchestra*   A BushelAnd A Peck        

V3          –RonnieOgden And His Orchestra              SayIt With Music            

V4          –Ken ThorneAnd His Orchestra    Bill        

V5          –RichardBenson And His Orchestra            
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Everything on that list was recorded with the best tube microphones on the best tube tape machines, most live two track.

If you haven't heard this kind of stuff, it is the reference to beat.  It would be great for younger people into recording to experience this to widen their reference a bit.

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Reply #3 - 04/07/21 at 05:38:52
 
Of course this is primarily a message to the young, never underestimate old music.  Music knows no age, there is no such thing as old music.  Also there is no such thing as time, so music is all things at all times.  Listen to these records on a tube amp with a great set of headphones or high-end ear buds and discover what sound quality actually means.

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Reply #4 - 04/07/21 at 05:56:18
 
Right now I am listening to a killer organ LP that is dirty and full of pops and clicks...  how can I stand it!

Well, the noise believe it or not sounds EXACTLY like a campfire or fireplace burning wet wood.

I do mean EXACTLY.

It is SO detached from the music which sounds completely real, that it simply becomes a familiar backdrop to the music that if anything compliments rather than detracts from it.

Listen to vinyl.  

Discover it's seductive quality on a respectable vinyl rig, don't worry about pops and clicks... you will be way more alarmed when the campfire goes away and you can't understand why.

That said, the majority of my collection has nearly zero pops and clicks with a background equally as black as CD.  But when there is some noise there it just ads a familiar backdrop that baby boomers minds like mine can simply process as enjoyment.  It's the separation between that noise and the music... the gap is so huge the two don't register on the same screen of vision.


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Reply #5 - 04/07/21 at 06:41:49
 
It's amazing what my Degritter did to even the occasional pop and click.  There is a lot we accept in our vinyl that is just dirt!
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Reply #6 - 04/07/21 at 10:45:06
 
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Soon I will have a new holy grail DAC and will embellish it with a great tube preamp and anything else it might want to try to lessen the gap.


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Reply #7 - 04/10/21 at 14:04:27
 
I have a whole rubbermaid tub filled with reader's digest box sets.  They are mostly big band and classical. I inherited them from my wife's grandfather. All of the ones I played sounded very good.
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