Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
Decware Audio Forums
12/05/24 at 04:33:16 




Most recent 50 posts

Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
SEWE300B review (Read 21536 times)
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
SEWE300B review
08/26/23 at 15:15:29
 
I’ve had the SEWE300B amplifier in use for about 400 hours now. I could write on and on about it but the truth of the matter is that there is a short and sweet answer to “how is it?” It’s a clear and dynamic amplifier that presents an accurate and vivid sound field in audio playback.

The only other 300B amplifiers I have heard were two Cary amps in the late ‘eighties and early ‘nineties. One was an amplifier, the other an integrated amplifier. Neither were heard in my own system. I was very impressed with the sound, the SET nature capturing me first, and then I think the sound of the 300B tubes themselves. The basic sounds of these amps were warm and forgiving and inviting. Hearing these sent me on a search for an SET amp that I could afford. I had grown up on my father’s Dynaco tube system, and had been listening for a few years to a 1959 EICO EL84 integrated stereo amplifier I had bought from a friend (who had been using it as a guitar amplifier and was unhappy with the sound). Eventually I found Decware, talked to Steve on the phone and bought Zen amp #27. It didn’t sound like the Cary amps, but that
Type to enter text was great as they sounded uniquely clear and dynamic and I spent over two decades with Decware amps and speakers revealing in the many different soundscapes and tonal universes they can deliver.

I never forgot that 300B sound though. . . and always wondered what a Decware 300B amp might sound like. And now I know. The SEWE300B sounds marvelous.

For the last five years I’ve used a pair of Decware SE84UFO3 Monoblock amplifiers with all the 25th Anniversary mods. These amplifiers trained me how to get the best out of them and became my time machine and escape platform, giving me thousands of hours of musical enjoyment. I never thought I would replace them. . . until Steve announced the development of the SEWE300B. I knew I would have to hear one, and trusting Steve’s vision and innovation, I knew it would be a spectacular amp and if I heard one I would have to have one. I managed to order one and my intuition about this amplifier was right on. It’s the best amplifier I have ever owned.

My direct comparison to the SE84UFO3 Monoblocks with the 25th Anniversary Mods initially surprised me as the amplifiers sounded so similar. There was a shared clarity and a shared dynamic feel, from micro to macro dynamic playback. And as I grew more familiar with the SEWE300B and as the amplifier broke-in and seasoned, its distinct character became more recognizable. There was a feeling of easy “power” delivered to the Decware HR-1 speakers I have used for over 12 years. The SE84UFO3 Monoblocks with the 25th Anniversary Mods worked surprisingly well with the HR-1 speakers, but the speakers were better matched with the additional “power” from the SEWE300B. There was a teaspoon more heft to the sound of the lower frequencies, and a similar bit more detailed portrayal of the sound of a contrabass violin, cello, or electric bass guitar, and a bit of sparkle to the higher frequencies, a tiny bit more transparency to the recorded sound of trumpets for example—their sound burst out from the collage of accompaniment a bit more than the quite satisfying way the SE84UFO3 Monoblocks with the 25th Anniversary mods portrayed them. And I enjoyed the same voltage regulation benefit shared with the Monoblocks which allowed me to tailor the overall amplifier sound by using different combinations of voltage regulation tubes. The overall sound can be slightly lush to very quick and clean and many different points in between those two end points using the three different voltage regulation tube types and different brands of each. I would think any owner could find the right combination for their taste and system needs. Like the SE84UFO3 Monoblocks with the 25th Anniversary Mods the SEWE300B also has two bias signatures switchable for the input tube, and two settings for the speaker connections, and these also offer flexibility to the overall sound. An owner of the SE300B can explore many sonic possibilities with these switches. These switches and the voltage tube regulation set this amplifier apart and aid the owner to find the right set up for his system.

As is my nature as a tube fancier, I rolled a number of tubes in all positions except for the 300B tubes themselves, as I only have one pair of 300B tubes to use at the moment, the Sophia Electric Classic 300B in blue glass. Any change of input, driver and rectifier tubes is easily recognizable—the clarity of this amplifier reveals the characteristic sound of each tube. I bought the SEWE300B from Decware without tubes, and I found an excellent tube complement from tubes that I had on hand after much experimentation. Having decided on these tubes as a foundation, for the last two weeks I have been listening with enjoyment to new and very familiar musical material, both CD and SACD, and also to LPs. The SEWE300B draws me in and commands my attention, and I am loathe to turn them off and end a listening session. And I’ve suffered no listening fatigue.

I have used the SEWE300B with my Decware ZTPRE and ZBIT and ZROCK2 and really enjoyed the dense, vibrant sound. As the SEWE300B has a built in preamp stage, I spent an afternoon listening to the system without the ZTPRE  preamp. The sound was very nice, I did miss a bit of the density and heft that riding the gain from the ZTPRE provides. I tend to darker, thicker sound overall than others, and it was predictable I’d prefer the ZTPRE in the audio chain, but I am sure others would enjoy sound without it—a preamp is certainly not necessary with the SEWE300B to enjoy deep audio satisfaction, yet another great feature of this amplifier.

The bottom line is: this amp is more than just a keeper, it’s going to be the foundation of my main music system going forward. I’ve sold my SE84UO3 Monoblocks with the 25th Anniversary Mods, something I would not have imagined a year ago. Even though I feel the SEWE300B has a bit more seasoning ahead of it to be all it can be, I’m deeply enjoying its sound and flexibility and thankful to have it for all the hours of listening ahead.

Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
hdrider
Seasoned Member
****


On the path with
Decware.

Posts: 699
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #1 - 08/26/23 at 15:58:13
 
Lon - Great description and write up, I have been waiting for you to do this. As both you and I know (actually many people now) that if Steve goes through his process to develop a new product, it's going to be very special. Now, that product may or may not match your expectations or desires, but it will still be an excellent product. I came to Decware researching 300B and Acoustat X speakers. I think I may have read everything he wrote, that I could find, and just reading about his development process I knew that one of his amps would get me closer to my end goal. Anyway, thanks for the article and happy listening when things get sorted out with the power. Living where I do, we are well versed in power outages, Chris.
Back to top
 
 

CSP3, Rachael, ZP3, ZMC 1, Sony ES Bluray, Schitt Bitfrost DAC,Sota Star TT w/ FR-64, Hana SL Low Output Moving coil, Omega 7XRS Mk 2 walnut, DeepOmega 8 sub, Morrow Audio PH3 and MA3 IC's, Gamma Electrostatic phones.
  IP Logged
Tony
Seasoned Member
****


"Life without
..music is
inconceivable"
A.Einsteln

Posts: 695
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #2 - 08/26/23 at 17:07:53
 

Nice review, Lon.  Thanks for putting these thoughts together.  Your review provides a unique perspective on the 300B, given your history and familiarity with Decware.  It sounds like the 300B either met or excelled at your expectations, which is noteworthy for those who have followed this amp's development and wondered how it might turn out.

Now, if they you could only get your electricity restored. Smiley
Back to top
 
 

SE84UFO25 | Ic0n4 Passive Preamp | ZBIT | Sonore opticalRendu | Denafrips Pontus II | Denafrips Gaia | Decware I/Cs | Decware Pwr Cbls | ZWIRE Speaker Cbls | Omega SAHOM & KEF KC62 | Furman Cond l GIK Room Trmt
  IP Logged
CAJames
Seasoned Member
****


"I've run every
red light on memory
lane."

Posts: 2164
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #3 - 08/26/23 at 17:25:52
 
Great stuff Lon. After raving about your UFO3s for the entire time I've been on this site the fact that you've sold them pretty much says it all.
Back to top
 
 

[FOOBAR2000 | Jay's CDT2 MRK3] -> Denafrips Terminator 2 + Gaia
Sumiko Pearwood -> Mapleknoll Athena -> Luxman SUT -> Mapletree Phono 3E
STR-1002 -> Woo WA22 -> 2x UFO25s, balanced monos
Omega SAM , Hifiman Arya, Audeze LCD-XC
  IP Logged
Kamran
Seasoned Member
****


Sarah

Posts: 1118
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #4 - 08/27/23 at 00:40:39
 
I too was waiting for this review.  The leap of faith was successful.  Makes my wait only harder! Congrats on finding new sonic bliss as well as finding your monoblocks a new home!
Back to top
 
 

Innuos Pulse Streaming Transport and Phoenix Net Switch-Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC-Ic0n4 Autoformer Passive Pre-Sarah 300B SET Amp-ZBIT-GIK Room Treatment—Walnut Pure Audio Project Duet 15 w Voxative PiFe-P.I. Audio MajikBuss & Puritan PSM 156 Conditioners
  IP Logged
nipsy
Verified Member
**




Posts: 30
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #5 - 08/27/23 at 07:49:34
 
Lon, thanks for your insightful thoughts on your 300B Sarah. As you have a long history with Decware, you really know your stuff. I just discovered these folks about two years ago while looking up some information about some random tube amplifier I was thinking about buying from Amazon. The enthusiasm that folks like yourself have for Decware made me really want to hear this fantastic sound machine for myself. I ordered and built a Z kit so I have a general sense of the Decware sound. I listen to your experiences have been absolutely transformative.

At the very last moment, I changed my order to the 300 B. It should arrive in several weeks and I'm very excited. Thanks again for adding to the excitement!
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Bottlehead
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 557
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #6 - 08/27/23 at 09:21:12
 
Thanks, Lon.

Randy
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Tony
Seasoned Member
****


"Life without
..music is
inconceivable"
A.Einsteln

Posts: 695
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #7 - 08/27/23 at 15:30:34
 

Good morning nipsy,

I enjoyed reading your post, and congrats on getting the 300B! Once you have had time with it, I hope you will add your own review so we can continue following your experience.
Back to top
 
 

SE84UFO25 | Ic0n4 Passive Preamp | ZBIT | Sonore opticalRendu | Denafrips Pontus II | Denafrips Gaia | Decware I/Cs | Decware Pwr Cbls | ZWIRE Speaker Cbls | Omega SAHOM & KEF KC62 | Furman Cond l GIK Room Trmt
  IP Logged
nipsy
Verified Member
**




Posts: 30
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #8 - 08/28/23 at 08:29:23
 
I sure will @Tony, though I suspect my review will be on the simple side. I'm really new to this arena and have been chasing a sound quality. I can't really describe it other than to say I really appreciate clear, crisp, and defined. To paraphrase Justice Potter Stewart, I'll know it when I hear it. But gosh, there are so many moving parts ! I listen almost exclusively to vinyl and what a sound is coming out of that little Zkit tonight. Transporting.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #9 - 08/28/23 at 15:26:07
 
Still no power. Power company says maybe today by 11 pm. Hope so! Four days without power and water is enough.

There are a few typos in the review above I wish I could correct--one is "revelling in" rather than "revealing in."
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
will
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 3047
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #10 - 08/28/23 at 15:48:27
 
Wow, four days! I bet you can't wait to hear you new enchantment maker!

I love and hate how the computer decides what I am trying to say, especially with close ones easy to miss like reveling and revealing. But at least revealing works OK. Really glad your amp is such a pleasure!
Back to top
 
 

All Modified: PSA-P5>DIY Strip/Shunyata Defender>RevolutionMacMini/Amarra-KTE Singxer/Gustardx20pro/ZBIT/ZR2/CSP3>LaoChen 300B/845>Omega SAHOMs/AudioSmile Tweeters,SVS Micro3000>Pi PCs and DIY PCs, ICs, USB, I2S, Speaker>SR and aluminum w ball bearing feet +
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #11 - 08/29/23 at 19:18:41
 
Day five. . . no power. They told us yesterday power would be restored by 11 p.m. Then at 11 they sent a message sayng Wednesday at 4 p.m. This morning they say tonight at 11 p.m. I am struggling to believe them.

( really miss my stereo, my wife really misses the TV. Me too, but stereo much more.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #12 - 08/29/23 at 20:44:56
 
Just got power back and took a shower! Relief!
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Kamran
Seasoned Member
****


Sarah

Posts: 1118
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #13 - 08/30/23 at 18:33:52
 
Finally! The wait must’ve been so arduous—happy for ya!
Back to top
 
 

Innuos Pulse Streaming Transport and Phoenix Net Switch-Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC-Ic0n4 Autoformer Passive Pre-Sarah 300B SET Amp-ZBIT-GIK Room Treatment—Walnut Pure Audio Project Duet 15 w Voxative PiFe-P.I. Audio MajikBuss & Puritan PSM 156 Conditioners
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #14 - 09/01/23 at 18:04:44
 
It was really hard to be without music. I wore my laptop battery down listening a bit but it was not nearly as satisfying as listening to any of the three stereo systems.

It's clear that the amp has really begun to bloom. Since the power came back on and my front ends warmed up a day or so I am getting great sound. I did some tube-rolling and at the moment I'm enjoying an Amperex 6085 in the input, RCA Gray Glass 6SN7 with converters as the driver tubes, and an Amperex 5R4WGA rectifier (with an Amperex pinched waist 7062 in the ZROCK2) and getting a rich and silky sound. Wow.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #15 - 09/03/23 at 12:46:46
 
That sound from that complement was just not working well with much of my lesser quality recordings. . . a bit too silky and smooth. I re-installed the Aqua 274B, replaced the 6SN7 with RCA Hollan 7308s, put an Amperex (Hewlett Packard) Holland 12AU7  in the input, and a Natonal 5963 that came with one of my ZROCK2 in the ZROCK2 and have a silky smoothness that has more dynamics and serves all sorts of recordings well.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #16 - 09/05/23 at 09:22:11
 
I have I estimate over 600 hours on the amplifier now, and the resolution and depth of the sound have come into a new zone, perhaps its final plateau of travel.

I have a tube complement now that I feel is laid back and spacious, yet not lacking any detail or drive. My front ends have never sounded better either, which has me now enjoying the most profound sound ever.

Here are the tubes in use:

"Sun" labeled Holland made 12AU7
3 75C1 tubes
RCA branded Holland made 7308
Sophia Electric Aqua 274B
Sophia Electric Classic 300B

The team of rectifier and output tubes from Sophia Electric is a very good one, these work together so well. (It's important to note that he ZTPRE has six 6085 tubes with converter bases within it, and the ZROCK2 had a Steve-supplied National 5963 within).

I'm thinking less of the amp right now and just treating the system as I normally would at last, and really. swimming in excellent playback.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Kamran
Seasoned Member
****


Sarah

Posts: 1118
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #17 - 09/07/23 at 15:26:21
 
Lon thx for the continued updates.  Would love to know your thoughts vs. the monoblocks as the sound finally matures (looks like you’re almost there).  Also glad that the original Aqua seems to be performing well since the first one arced.
Back to top
 
 

Innuos Pulse Streaming Transport and Phoenix Net Switch-Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC-Ic0n4 Autoformer Passive Pre-Sarah 300B SET Amp-ZBIT-GIK Room Treatment—Walnut Pure Audio Project Duet 15 w Voxative PiFe-P.I. Audio MajikBuss & Puritan PSM 156 Conditioners
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #18 - 09/07/23 at 15:52:06
 
I have sold and shipped my Monoblocks so no further direct comparisons are possible.

My conclusions from direct comparison and a five year history with the Monoblocks: To be honest the differences are likely more pronounced in my system as the Monoblocks JUST work with my HR-1 speakers and the sound is shaped by the efficiency of the speakers--giving me a more forward and tilted upward sound than the sound with the SEWE300B which is much better suited with its power for the HR-1 and has a flatter frequency response as a result.

The other difference in "character" between the amps is I think related to the "dual mono" nature, the separate chassis and power supplies. There's a "specificity" to the two channels with the Monoblocks which leqds to just a slightly more chiseled image of an instrument and a slightly more precise left and right and center to the soundstage. The soundfield of the SEWE300B is a bit more center-filled and there's a tiny bit of relaxation to the sound. The fact that there's a preamp stage to the SEWE300B probably also contributes to subtle differences.

What they both share are many characteristics but one prominently: they are very transparent as far as signal purity and each change of tube in the tube conplement is very apparent and the many different ways these amps can sound is fascinating.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
CAJames
Seasoned Member
****


"I've run every
red light on memory
lane."

Posts: 2164
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #19 - 09/07/23 at 17:41:06
 
Quote:
Posted by: Lon      Posted on: Today at 07:52:06
I have sold and shipped my Monoblocks so no further direct comparisons are possible.

My conclusions from direct comparison and a five year history with the Monoblocks: To be honest the differences are likely more pronounced in my system as the Monoblocks JUST work with my HR-1 speakers and the sound is shaped by the efficiency of the speakers...


Of course one can only wonder what you'd think of a pair of UFO or UFO25 amps would sound compared to Sarah...
Back to top
 
 

[FOOBAR2000 | Jay's CDT2 MRK3] -> Denafrips Terminator 2 + Gaia
Sumiko Pearwood -> Mapleknoll Athena -> Luxman SUT -> Mapletree Phono 3E
STR-1002 -> Woo WA22 -> 2x UFO25s, balanced monos
Omega SAM , Hifiman Arya, Audeze LCD-XC
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #20 - 09/07/23 at 17:44:05
 
Not something I wonder about.

The treble cut circuit made the Monoblocks have the frequency balance I needed, and I did not need more power as a result.

The SEWE300B has plenty of power for my needs and has ended all my "wondering" about other amp possibilities. Now it's more about tubes. Biggest question is about 300B tubes. . . Western Electric? Wathen? Steve says the Wathen has a bit fuller sound, and a bit more bass weight. As shy as I am about ordering from Wathen again, I might.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #21 - 09/12/23 at 11:32:11
 
Wow. I've reached a new pinnacle of sound in my home.

I think the SEWE300B has seasoned to the point that I have been just turning the system on and off when I have the time to listen, rather than letting it spin and get hot as much as possible when I'm home to get hours on the circuit and the new tubes. It's now being treated the way the Monoblocks were, daily drivers to musical plateaux.

The latest WTF moments have been my changing the 12AU7 types in the input position of the amp and the ZROCK2. I have a late fifties pinched waist Holland made 6085 tube in the SEWE300B input position, the earliest form of this tube, not as tall, but very focused and solid sounding after quite a few dozens of hours of use in the ZROCK2 in my audio visual system. This tube has given me great imaging and instrumental separation, with a meaty frequency balance. And I placed one of my Amperex Holland made pinched waist 7062 tubes in the ZROCK2. This tube pulled the sound stage back a bit more, a trait I'm highly fond of, and gave a wider, deeper stage by a hair than the Amperex 12AU7 that I have been alternating there. The combined effect of these two tube changes made my jaw drop a few times yesterday. This morning I'm really enjoying a cohesive and dynamic presentation with an open and spacious envelope of sound.

I am going to try to keep this complement in place until I decide to play with a fuse and can experience different 300B tubes.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
charles hidalgo
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 518
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #22 - 09/12/23 at 11:58:41
 
These updates are exciting and very promising indeed. This will probably be my last attempt at a 300b amp. I'm looking forward to hearing things.

Thanks Lon

Charlie
Back to top
 
 

SEWE300B #004
HDTv2
Zbit
Schiit Freya+
Schiit Loki Max
EverSolo Streamer/DAC combo
Custom AT turntable
Softone phone stage
TEAC and Otari tape machines
SVS Pro 1000 subs
Nordost cables
WWW   IP Logged
HockessinKid
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 1169
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #23 - 09/12/23 at 14:27:46
 
Great news Lon, thanks for all the updates. My Sarah order is working its way down the list, in the 800's now Cheesy This will, in all likelihood, be my last amplifier.

Given the long burn in process, I will likely pick up a Decware tube package then experiment at a later date. Glad you seem to have found the perfect tube compliment for your listening pleasure.

HK
Back to top
 
 

Nottingham Interspace TT w/ Audio Technica AT-OC9XML cart & Modwright PH 9.0XT phono preamp OR MWI modded Cambridge CNX V2 > CSP3-25th A preamp > ZMA-25th A amp > PI Audio UberBUSS > Caintuck Audio Lii15 Magnum speakers > SDFB's > SRA & ZenWave cables
  IP Logged
Kamran
Seasoned Member
****


Sarah

Posts: 1118
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #24 - 09/12/23 at 19:57:00
 
Your jaw dropping comment reminded me of the UFO25 thread that I read recently and the notion of a jaw holder to prevent injuries and the rendition of what it would look like.  Maybe we need one for Sarah too!
Back to top
 
 

Innuos Pulse Streaming Transport and Phoenix Net Switch-Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC-Ic0n4 Autoformer Passive Pre-Sarah 300B SET Amp-ZBIT-GIK Room Treatment—Walnut Pure Audio Project Duet 15 w Voxative PiFe-P.I. Audio MajikBuss & Puritan PSM 156 Conditioners
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #25 - 09/12/23 at 20:10:34
 
Well when my jaw drops it remains attached to my skull and just dangles a moment supported by my Adam's Apple. Wink

One moment this morning was during a portion of "New Gospel Revisited" when Joe Ross's vibes wer presented with no accompaniment and the sound of the motorized vibrato sounded so real; another moment was when Duduka Da Fonseca's clave hits on his snare drum were vivid and present in a way I had never heard them before on this excellent recording:



The SEWE300B is really dishing out great sound, credit needs to be given to my PS Audio DSD DAC Mk II as well which has a new firmware "Massive" that has lifted it up another impressive notch in sound quality.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #26 - 09/20/23 at 19:04:49
 
Well I finally decided to try an "audiophile fuse" in the SEWE300B and chose a relatively inexpensive one to try first, the ACME Ag/Cryo Fuse 5A SB 5x20mm CFC Series, from partsconnexion. About 31 dollars including postage.

At first I thought perhaps I had it installed in the wrong direction and that may still be the case, but after about four hours of play the sound has shifted and the frequency balance is less tilted to the high fequencies than initially. I rolled a few tubes and now have an Amperex Holland Bugle Boy 12AU7 in the ZROCK2 again, and a "Sun" labeled Holland 12AU7 in the SEWE300B, a nice slightly warm combo.

It's early to make judgments but I do notice an increase in "punch" -- a dollop of more dynamic shift, and there is a tightening of the attack of notes. I'm listening again (second time this morning) to Betty Carter "It's Not About the Melody" and there's a real precision to the rhythmic sense and a sense of accuracy to each enunciated syllable from this master vocalist.

I have an AMR fuse on the way from Germany to try soon. .. but so far I'm liking this Acme.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Kamran
Seasoned Member
****


Sarah

Posts: 1118
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #27 - 09/21/23 at 02:23:59
 
Interesting development—-keep us posted as the Acme burns in.  The price of admission isn’t very high, so that’s a plus.
Back to top
 
 

Innuos Pulse Streaming Transport and Phoenix Net Switch-Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC-Ic0n4 Autoformer Passive Pre-Sarah 300B SET Amp-ZBIT-GIK Room Treatment—Walnut Pure Audio Project Duet 15 w Voxative PiFe-P.I. Audio MajikBuss & Puritan PSM 156 Conditioners
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #28 - 09/21/23 at 09:23:02
 
It's only been about fifteen hours on this fuse but. .. it's a bang for the buck option for sure.

Now I have Audio Magic M-1 in the PS Audio P15, PST and DSD Mk II, and ZROCK2, and Synergistic Research Purples, in the ZTPRE, so quite some expensive fuses upstream that I heard as each was introduced. The basic ceramic fuse I had put in the SEWE300B was a tiny improvement and it seemed to me listening to the SEWE300B at first that perhaps that was a bottleneck.

This fuse has allowed me to hear a bit more depth to the sound and everything seems a bit more "breathing"--the dynamic information is a bit more pronounced and instrumental images are a bit more chiseled.

It's all about a lessening of noise. Paying attention to the electrical quality in any and many ways is always a good thing. This is a nice improvement from a cheap fuse.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
AudioAlchemist
Verified Member
**




Posts: 6
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #29 - 09/26/23 at 05:32:16
 
Lon – I appreciated your detailed and passionate review. I am two-plus years away from getting my SEWE300B; however, your review tells me it is worth the wait. Thank you!
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #30 - 10/16/23 at 10:38:54
 
MY GOD it's hard to wait that long. I wager it will be worth it.

I put forth the pentultimate change to my SEWE300B: I gave up on cheap audiophile fuses (though the ACME was a bargain and a bang for the buck fuse) and put in a Synergistic Research "Purple" fuse five days ago.

A very good move. This fuse has brought a tonal balance and soundstage improvement that has me just settling into the music in a new way. This amp has become an even smoother, natural vehicle for the great signal coming from upstream.

I have only one more planned change for the SEWE300B: whenever they ship a pair of Cryotone 300B-WC. We'll see what they do.

Of course today the CSP3 that I bought from Joman is arriving and I'll put that in place of the ZTPRE and see what that brings! It's been a year of change here in my system but changes for the better!
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #31 - 11/27/23 at 02:24:38
 
I want to make one more comment about this amp that I have had for four months or so now.

The JOMAN CSP3 that has been cryo'd by Wathen is very interesting. I spent a week comparing it with my OG CSP3 that is pretty much the same as far as mods etc. but has not been cryo treated. To be honest. . . the cryo treatment has given it an openness . . .with a touch more clarity that seems to yield a bit of brightness I just accepted and allowed myself to enjoy--possibly as the caps and bypass caps are Jupiter in my OG and Miflex in the cryo'd. I have been very used to the sound of Jupiters in my preamps, and I think I may prefer their sonic signature.

When I first got the amp and when I felt it had gone through initial break-in I tried using the SEWE300B without a preamp and felt that I preferred it with a preamp. (I have been using preamps with my amps for 25 years, even though most of the amps I was using had an adjustable gain stage and many use them without preamps. (Here we know the benefits of Decware preamps, and also the great fact that they do not HAVE to be used with the Decware amps).

Last few weeks the cryo'd preamp developed a little issue and I took it out Friday and connected the system up again without a preamp.

To my surprise and delight the sound was even better than with any of the preamps with which I have used the SEWE300B amplifier. Better bass, better imaging and sound field, a touch more dynamic contrast. . . . I am putting the preamp on the shelf to be repaired later, and may bring it out in a few years when my Decware ZP3 phono preamp is built. . . maybe not. We'll see.

Steve says that this amplifier can save a person money because it can be very successfully used without a preamp. As a habitual line level preamp user I didn't really believe this at first. But it's true. The SEWE300B really does not need a preamplifier to shine.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #32 - 12/12/23 at 16:14:02
 
So it's been more than two weeks now I guess since I went without a preamp. It has taken me a while to withdraw from a preamp in the system. . . I keep wanting to adjust that one more gain stage and then realize I don't have it and then re-adjust the other stages.

But the truth of the matter is that with the preamp stage of the SEWE300B a preamp is NOT needed and the sound is great with a ZBIT and ZROCK2 in between the source and amplifier. Great. . . may be an understatement. Clear and dynamic, full-bodied and atmospheric. One can get all of that or combos of these characteristics with tube-rolling and gain-riding.

And music comes out. . . really satisfying and involving music. And that is what it's all about. I keep buying music, and in fact I want more and more with the SEWE300B in place and broken in.

Now that I don't use a preamp in this system (and have two that need minor repair to get up to snuff and likely put up for sale) I find I have dozens of tubes I won't be using. Sigh. I guess I'll put quite a few up for sale. I do have debt still to work off.

Life is good. I only wish the SEWE300B were available about ten years ago. Where's that damned time machine anyway. . . I thought it was in the root cellar, but that was just in a dream I had. . . .
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
The other Lon
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 102
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #33 - 12/12/23 at 18:18:03
 
"I guess I'll put quite a few up for sale. I do have debt still to work off."

I'm all about helping people get out of debt Smiley
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
will
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 3047
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #34 - 12/12/23 at 19:22:04
 
Nice discoveries Lon, and I love: "Life is good. I only wish the SEWE300B were available about ten years ago. Where's that damned time machine anyway. . . I thought it was in the root cellar, but that was just in a dream I had. . . . " With all your experiments, quite a tribute to your beautiful amp!

I am always re-surprised when I love taking my tuned up CSP3 out, and then love it after I put it back in, pretty much every time including some tube and/or cable tuning to get that love.

So far for me anyway, often the benefits can still outweigh the down sides. But I get your current preferences of no pre with your SEWE300B, especially still having gain tuning adjustments with your ZBIT and ZRock2. The pattern of three pre stages for me has gotten less clear also.

Over so many years, my Torii IV having been tuned up for open resolution that is so musically awake... And these days, with the right amp tuning and tube sets, using spacious and lively 300B and 845 tubes in my non-Decware amps...the amps seem quite awake and musically balanced on their own. No doubt to me, if we can lose the old 300B amp habits of rolloff and syrup, there is some amazing potential with those big Triodes! Anyway, with more resolved space, density, complexity, and speed from the amps, I often use only the ZBIT, or the ZBIT with either the ZRock2+, or CSP3+.

In fact, running all three for a while, I took out the ZRock2+ the other day. After resolving and speeding its sound, it seems more prone to subtle distortions at times. Guessing the clearer paths may be showing and/or contributing to distortions easier. Probably a big part... within the increased resolution and clarity, increased speed creates more powerful transients, pushing occasional audible distortion hits more, an issue in my setup at my loudest listening levels. So I took it out hoping to do some tests and see if I can adjust it. With some tube and baseline gain level changes in the ZBIT and CSP3+ the system sounds great without.

It is important though, that the distortion edges here are to do with my preference for multiple pre stages before whatever amp I use, and I have a high volume room space... so my amp's power relative to my speaker efficiency at high volumes is near edges.... I am pushing lots of thresholds.  

In my late-night-dark-room listening sessions, with playlists from different recordings and mastering, I am always just on the edge of audible distortion blips on limited note hits of limited recordings....but being near the edges, less obvious distortions are there too. I mainly just need a few more dB of headroom I think.

That said, seems I fall into distortion easier, and at a little lower volumes, with all three pre stages... the ZBIT, ZRock, and CSP3. Take one out and less of it, and take two out, a little louder with less edge again.

Also, the ways I adjust the pre stages for speed, warmth and lucidity, it seems each is close to, or being pushed itself... and in succession, they progressively add push to the next, each adding density/hit to the signal along the way. Guessing the voltage from each progressively pushes the other's edges along the way. And not least, transients becoming relatively faster and more powerful, this finally pushes amp thresholds at lower average volumes.

Long lead up to.... Logic would point me to using less pre stages to help solve this distortion edge thing. But, with care, I still love the combinations, how each of the three contributes in their own individual ways. And tuning those complexes together can be beautiful, as I know you found at different stages of gear and your journey.

It does not surprise me taking out a pre with your SEWE300B though... Not only is it a great amp design, a refined and awakening pre stage part of that great design...But also... those big Triode tubes (at least if the design lets them breath)... To me they can be incredibly elucidating, yet comfortable within that awakened bigness, including big complexity, big openness, and big speed/dynamics complexes. The amazing space, with powerful and smooth density, and importantly, a density that can allow for highly developed harmonic complexity... beautiful how they can be set up to be so clear and spacious, and so rich without tending to hardness.

And when that is all working, everything in front shows for better or worse. I am always sort of shocked how things can be truly great, and then just keep getting better with exploration. What an amazing life-enhancing gift lively music in the home can be... I don't know if I ever would have gotten so much from it, truly "harmonic medicine" to me, without Steve and Bob, and you, and others contributing to this friendly forum. Another amazing gift.

As usual, I am enjoying following your impressions and unfolding path, lately with your new and beloved SEWE300B amp!
Back to top
 
 

All Modified: PSA-P5>DIY Strip/Shunyata Defender>RevolutionMacMini/Amarra-KTE Singxer/Gustardx20pro/ZBIT/ZR2/CSP3>LaoChen 300B/845>Omega SAHOMs/AudioSmile Tweeters,SVS Micro3000>Pi PCs and DIY PCs, ICs, USB, I2S, Speaker>SR and aluminum w ball bearing feet +
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #35 - 12/12/23 at 20:02:50
 
I totally get all the ins and outs of the pre-amping stages that you enjoy and elucidate--I was using a chain of gain stages as well, very happily, especially with my ZTPRE (which was the least "colored" of the preamp stages I've owned) and the Monoblocks (with their lack of a preamp stage). As I don't have your modifying skill my stages were probably coarser in nature and less fine-tunable, and the tube nature more colored and less subtle, meaning perhaps a differing gain strategy and removing one has a bigger impact.

When the SEWE300B was first introduced I was simply plopping it in the system in place of the Monoblocks and as it seasoned was enjoying the differing gain structures and tube colorations. . . . As it opened up I kept running into occasional distortion and hardening and realized that I had a preamp stage in this amp and that it was in that way different, and with the need to remove a preamp that was acting up I should not have been surprised that the removal led to a different tactic in tuning. Steve really nailed the preamp point on this amp, and I've really had fun reconfiguring the gain structure.

Part of my joy I believe is related to the fact that this amp is a better match for my HR-1 speakers. And yes, the 300B tube is a new adventure itself, such an engineering feat. The power tube has a different, perhaps deeper, defining character to the whole amplifier's nature than in the previous amps I had--it's as if each 300B is a "star" of its own and the center of an audio planetary system (if that makes any sense). I think I'll be exploring this/these planetary system(s) (with multiple 300B tubes) for some time.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
will
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 3047
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #36 - 12/14/23 at 20:59:06
 
Yes, it is fun having shared a lot of exploration with pre stages in and out of the mix. And it is true my stuff is more resolving and nuanced due to all the modification work I continue to explore... As an example I have used before, I finally could not use the ZRock2 I bought from you (as it was then) after the initial glow wore off. It was just too slow and unresolving in the context of the rest of my setup at the time, the rest having been musically opened up for more immediacy and resolution. This made the Zrock off balancing in my setup, where it might not have been in others. So I think your point as to pre stage choices being different for us is well taken. Also, I can easily imagine the pre built into the SEWE300B being really, really good on its own for bringing out great harmonics and space with density and nuances... some things my modifications have been devoted to.

Relative to your 300B being better for your HR-1s, it is amazing to me how 6-8 300B watts can sound so big, smooth, dense, and resolved...  louder feeling, pushing the HR-1s more optimally. I am thinking part of the amazing sense of power is from the tube, all on its own, generally being bigger in most areas of sonics... smooth and dense, expressive dynamics...and with with big space and complexity potential... just a big sound all around before looking at watts.

Still trying to get more clear on what I am hearing with 300Bs, but they seem to occupy a different enough zone that the tube is of itself. I am getting similar qualities from my 845 power tubes, an even bigger triode, but only one pair of those, so can't compare yet. But changing the 300B drivers in front of the 845s, or the 6SN7s before the 300Bs, produce pretty "big" sonic changes... I might say changes similar in bigness to how the big triodes sound in general. Equally, what comes before the amp is more notable and has more distinct gain tuning sweet spots here, often with less latitude than I had with my Torii IV... indicating the sonic power of these tube's also to me.

Leading me to: I expect for me, you, and others, the sonic qualities these tubes bring to the matrix (in a transparent platform) have similarities with what we want pre stages to do for us with some other amp types, the pre stages adding potential for tuning lucidity in dynamics, density, weight, complexity and space. I'm thinking that a nice 300B tube, in a fairly transparent design, can already do a nice job awakening these sonic qualities, so that adding more before with a pre stage (or three) can potentially be too much... thickening/coloring the sound. In other words, aside from gain tuning abilities, which I love, is a decent 300B tube similar to a well tuned pre stage in terms of what it can bring to the whole.

Part of what got me on this track was, at 200+ hours, my 845 amp is filling in down low... not fully resolved yet, but the bass, and bass in the balance, is coming in and up, so the overall sound fuller, warmer, and thicker. For the last few days, I was having a hard time with getting it open enough with tubes and gain tuning all three stages in front of the amp. This is part of why I first pulled the ZRock2+. Then I pulled the CSP3 after your posts talking about pulling yours, along with your comment about mine potentially being different, which I think is true having made things as naturally fast and musically resolved across the spectrum as I can. But what would it be like without?

Pulling the CSP3, it was different with just the ZBIT, but not better per se, the CSP3+ adding its own flavors, but with really good harmonic complexity. Other than that, the overall tone was quite similar with and without, but I missed the resolved complexity, and tuning ability with gains adjustments on the signal.

So while out, I decided to try to open up the CSP3 a little more, to see if a pretty subtle signature change might be amplified by these amazing tubes, while making the CSP3 a more powerful tuning tool with more flexibility.

I had a little 0.022 Miflex Copper Oil cap, with some smaller caps bypassing it, as a filter between the power supply caps and the internal VRs. I decided to take that Miflex out, the oils having nice complexity, but a little slower, smoother, and richer than Miflex Coppers that don't have oil (like in your amp), so thinking pulling this oil cap might head me in the right direction. With its bypasses still in place, I hoped the sound would be a little more open, faster and more translucent. Those bypasses are a fancier 0.01 Solen, and a .0033 Mallory 150, and those alone as this filter, the difference was pretty notable... doing what I hoped a little more than expected.

Now there is no question the CSP3 is helping me with this amp at this stage of burnin... giving me more complexity and flexibility for density and dynamics without getting too thick. And this seems like it might corroborate how powerfully these big triodes impact the overall sound... one little low value cap pulled in the stage before the big triodes, an encouraging difference.

I am growing really affectionate for these tubes as they too burn in. It is hard for me to keep any of the 300Bs I have in though, they are all so intersting in their own ways... so it is taking a long time to burn them in!

Looking forward to your future updates!

Will


Back to top
 
 

All Modified: PSA-P5>DIY Strip/Shunyata Defender>RevolutionMacMini/Amarra-KTE Singxer/Gustardx20pro/ZBIT/ZR2/CSP3>LaoChen 300B/845>Omega SAHOMs/AudioSmile Tweeters,SVS Micro3000>Pi PCs and DIY PCs, ICs, USB, I2S, Speaker>SR and aluminum w ball bearing feet +
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #37 - 12/27/23 at 15:53:12
 
I have to say that after withdrawing from the use of a preamp (something I've done for 25 years) and re-adjusting the gain structure without that preamp gain in the mix, I'm actually getting the best sound ever from the SEWE-300B. I can't discount the sheer fact that it has so many hours on it now--way past 1000--and what that has done to temper the sound.

For me my best audio experiences are just about the music. The preamp stage choice that Steve chose does have magic, and as I'm also using a ZROCK2 in the signal chain I have a double dose of a certain tonal and imaging juju that I really feel helps me enjoy the not-so-great recordings (of which I have a lot in my listening piles) and the great ones as well.

And sound-staging--which is not as incredible a character of the presentation as I think it could be, and has been, in other rooms, is better now, with more central depth and if on the recording higher and wider boundaries as well.

All tubes are fully broken in now which I think is also a factor of improvement, and great tube choices as well. I experimented with one tube choice recently and went back to the previous tube, which shows me that I have things as I want them, and have had no urge to change things since.

This is an amazing amp. On other boards persons sing the praises of this 300B amp or that and before this point of the SEWE300B I would have a curious thought or an envious twinge. . . but now I know that with my Decware history and deep satisfaction this is the ONE that I can keep listening to without FOMO into the next decade at least.

Music brings calm and joy to my life, the system, with PS Audio, Rega and especially Decware, guides the music along. I truly enjoy this portion of my existence.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
will
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 3047
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #38 - 12/27/23 at 15:56:17
 
Nice Lon!
Back to top
 
 

All Modified: PSA-P5>DIY Strip/Shunyata Defender>RevolutionMacMini/Amarra-KTE Singxer/Gustardx20pro/ZBIT/ZR2/CSP3>LaoChen 300B/845>Omega SAHOMs/AudioSmile Tweeters,SVS Micro3000>Pi PCs and DIY PCs, ICs, USB, I2S, Speaker>SR and aluminum w ball bearing feet +
  IP Logged
CAJames
Seasoned Member
****


"I've run every
red light on memory
lane."

Posts: 2164
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #39 - 12/27/23 at 17:11:17
 
It's great when a plan comes together, even if it isn't necessarily the plan you started with...

For me, I guess I've gone the other way with my UFO25s, which now have several hundred hours on them. They are so honest and transparent that I've been doing all my "sound sculpting" with my (non-Decware) preamp, and leaving the '25s alone. And I'm also getting the best sound ever in my room, and by a wide margin. This is just a teaser, I've been meaning to write something in my UFO25 thread.
Back to top
 
 

[FOOBAR2000 | Jay's CDT2 MRK3] -> Denafrips Terminator 2 + Gaia
Sumiko Pearwood -> Mapleknoll Athena -> Luxman SUT -> Mapletree Phono 3E
STR-1002 -> Woo WA22 -> 2x UFO25s, balanced monos
Omega SAM , Hifiman Arya, Audeze LCD-XC
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #40 - 12/27/23 at 18:02:04
 
The UFO-25 sound is excellent--if they fed the HR-1 as comfortably as the SEWE300B I probably would not have taken this journey. Still the resulting sound for us both has been wonderful. We owe Decware and patience a lot.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
MarLin
Verified Member
**




Posts: 3
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #41 - 12/27/23 at 22:45:37
 
I was really hoping to like the SE84UFO in my system as I wait for the SEWE300B (still page 8!) but it didn't have quite enough juice for my Zu Soul Supremes.  I was getting some very audible distortion in the bass region when the music went there.  Otherwise, a sweet sounding amp to be sure, but not right for my system.  Fingers crossed that the Sarah 300B will be!  

The Soul Supremes have a torturous impedance curve.  Not for the faint of heart.  I wrestled with one of Dennis Had's KT-88 SE amps for a while, but that didn't work either.  The First Watt SIT-3 and F-8 were good matches.  I currently am running a Chinese point-to-point wired 300B amp.  It's been serving me well for years.  Driven by 6SN7's.  Curious to see if the Decware can displace it.
Back to top
 
 

Various vintage DAC front end (SF SFD-2 Mk.III, Theta Pro Gen Va, Wadia 15) into an Audio Research LS-27 feeding a Boya 300B amplifier
On the waiting list for a Sarah 300B :^/
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #42 - 01/18/24 at 10:42:55
 
MarLin, I have a feeling the SEWE300B will not disappoint.

PS Audio released a new firmware for my DAC and MAN what an improvement. From hour one it was a great revamp and 38 hours in it's even more so.

Unfortunately, clutzily reaching around to install the firmware I managed to knock my Decware 9 pin straightener off the top shelf and before it reached the ground it clipped the very tip of the Cryotone long plate tube in my ZROCK2 and rendered that useless. I replaced it with one of my Amperex Holland Bugle Boy 12AU7s and really enjoyed the sound. Made me think to replace the Cryotone on the input of the SEWE300B with another of my favorite 12AU7s, a Sun labeled Holland, and wow, another great sonic structure. With these Holland tubes in comparison to the Cryotone there is just a touch of appealing warmth, and the soundstage is less pushed forward with a touch more depth. I like this! I have another Cryotone on order but . . . it may go elsewhere. I love the tube complement in place now and what is revealed by the new firmware (Massive).
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #43 - 02/15/24 at 09:50:30
 
Maybe all the fuses and tubes and firmware have seasoned in. . . the SEWE300B is sounding fantastic this month. I just want to spin and spin and spin and have to remind myself I have other obligations and calls to my attention from wife, dog, house and family and friends.

The character of each recording is revealed as if by both a microscope and a kaleidoscope. And it's as I'm the microphone again at times. The SEWE300B is an amazing machine.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Kamran
Seasoned Member
****


Sarah

Posts: 1118
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #44 - 02/16/24 at 03:42:37
 
Love your characterization Lon! Keep on spinning!
Back to top
 
 

Innuos Pulse Streaming Transport and Phoenix Net Switch-Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC-Ic0n4 Autoformer Passive Pre-Sarah 300B SET Amp-ZBIT-GIK Room Treatment—Walnut Pure Audio Project Duet 15 w Voxative PiFe-P.I. Audio MajikBuss & Puritan PSM 156 Conditioners
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #45 - 03/15/24 at 11:49:24
 
With the addition and seasoning of the SDFB I began to find a fatigue settling in and located the Cryotone 12AU7-WCL Long Plates in the ZROCK2 and SEWE300B as the culprit. Great tubes but the SDFB revealed a higher frequency characteristic that was fatiguing after a few hours.

I did some tube rolling and found excquisite liquid rich sound with a GE 5963 from Steve in the SEWE300B and a Brimar 12AU7 in the ZROCK2. The fatiguing characteristic has not re-appeared.

I'm going to try to force myself into not tinkering with the complements that I have going right now. . . it's all sounding just so "right". . . !
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Tony
Seasoned Member
****


"Life without
..music is
inconceivable"
A.Einsteln

Posts: 695
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #46 - 03/15/24 at 17:08:14
 
Lon said:

I did some tube rolling and found excquisite liquid rich sound with a GE 5963 from Steve in the SEWE300B and a Brimar 12AU7 in the ZROCK2. The fatiguing characteristic has not re-appeared.

Hey Lon,
When you described your listening experience as one resulting in fatigue managed by switching various tubes, I was struck with your assessment and solution.  Is this a common clue, listener fatigue, that something is not optimal within the system? It is a novel means of evaluation for me.  Sometimes I listen to my system and feel energized and excited by what I hear; listening fatigue reminds me of other times when I have gotten bored.  I might have attributed that to a poor choice of music or that I needed more rest, but it never occurred to me to suspect that a recent rolled tube or combination of recently rolled tubes might be the cause.
Back to top
 
 

SE84UFO25 | Ic0n4 Passive Preamp | ZBIT | Sonore opticalRendu | Denafrips Pontus II | Denafrips Gaia | Decware I/Cs | Decware Pwr Cbls | ZWIRE Speaker Cbls | Omega SAHOM & KEF KC62 | Furman Cond l GIK Room Trmt
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #47 - 03/15/24 at 17:34:15
 
Listener fatigue I imagine is probably as subjective as any other aspect of the audio experience.

In my case, being rather sensitive to high frequency texture and presentation, if I sense brightness subliminally or overtly and it persists I fail to relax into the sound for a long period. In this case, as I had introduced the SDFB and experienced a change, I decided to try some tube rolling as the SDFB did mess with frequency balance a tiny bit, and the Sluggo was becoming broken in and showing it's character more clearly. In my experience with the SEWE300B in the system and using its preamp circuit and not another preamp the tuber that are most influential to change are the two 12AU7 spots, one in the ZROCK2 and one in the SEWE300B. So that is where I go first to find the relaxed reaction to the sound. I have about 50 12AU7 or similar tubes that I can roll.

Quite possibly because I have been rolling tubes for 30 years or more in my audio journey. . . rolling tubes and testing the sonic characteristics of tubes has become my go to for evaluating and addressing many factors such as listener fatigue.
Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
will
Seasoned Member
****




Posts: 3047
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #48 - 03/15/24 at 17:39:24
 
What I think of as listening fatigue feels to me like my ears have been "hammered" (over vibrated along with transients) a little too hard, resulting in dulled hearing and when bad, even some ear canal inflammation. Most people seem to attribute it to highs, maybe like Lon in this case. In my case, the bass can sound pretty right in all ways, but be a little "too good," and that is where I can usually solve fatigue... chill down and/or articulate the bass a little. Or if the sound is just intense in general, then milder tubes in general can fix it.
Back to top
 
 

All Modified: PSA-P5>DIY Strip/Shunyata Defender>RevolutionMacMini/Amarra-KTE Singxer/Gustardx20pro/ZBIT/ZR2/CSP3>LaoChen 300B/845>Omega SAHOMs/AudioSmile Tweeters,SVS Micro3000>Pi PCs and DIY PCs, ICs, USB, I2S, Speaker>SR and aluminum w ball bearing feet +
  IP Logged
Lon
Seasoned Member
****


"Love without
guts is
worthless!"
Philip K. Dick

Posts: 24864
Re: SEWE300B review
Reply #49 - 05/16/24 at 20:58:52
 
I can certainly say that in the past bass was a fatiguing issue for me, but it is a diminished bass that has plagued me for many years.

I seem to have found a really nice non-fatiguing balance lately with the addition of the Swiss Digital Fuse Boxes and several Sluggos, the Shuguang Black Treasure 300B-Z tubes now in the SEWE300B, and using pinched waist 7062 tubes as input for that amp and the ZROCK2. A year or so back in a terrible tube accident three of those were broken and I shifted to other tubes including Cryotone in those spots, but re-inserting non-pinched waist examples made me see what I was missing and I bought a pair, and then today I received two more that I managed to purchase from ebay quite inexpensively so I have a backup pair as well (listening to that pair right now).

With just the right gain structure I find that these tubes allow me (in tandem with a pair of gray glass RCA 6SN7 in converter bases) to get a very nice tonal balanced and swinging dynamics with a really natural "feel" to the presentation. A nice comfortable setting for me to spin disc after disc, great sounding and not-so-great sounding. A great "platform" complement I think I can sustain for years ahead (these are 10,000 hour tubes and especially in the ZROCK2/3 should last a long long time).

Back to top
 
 

HR-1,ZBIT,ZROCK2,SEWE300B,CSP3-25mod; Rega RP3 all GrooveTracer mods;PSAudio:PST+DSD, DAC Mk II, P15,NPC,PowerBases,AC-12 pwr cbls, Reference spkrcbls; Mapleshade SamsonV3; VooDoo:Cremona+Amati interconnects, IsoPods; headphones: Sennheiser HD800S,ZMF Ori,Oppo PM1
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print