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GroovySauce
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Studio Apartment Before and After
11/27/19 at 13:15:06
 
Iím not yet an official Decware owner. I have a Torii MKiv on order should be ready end of winter early spring Smiley

Iíve learned so much from this forum I thought my recent annoyance I'd turn into something that may give back in some small way.

Iíve found that the room is such a significant factor to the sound you can get from your stereo. Acoustically treating a room can increase your enjoyment of the room even when the stereo isnít playing.

I recently had my apartment flood for the second time, and Iíve moved into a new unit.

The new unit is just about identical. I took a few photo's along the way to share.

Some of the limitations I have.

I'm currently living in The Philippines. Iím not sure how long I will be here. I love living here and am considering retiring here, Or I'll move back the the USA. So my studio apartment is temporary. I could be here for 3 months, or 3 years I donít know.

Being in The Philippines, the selection of materials is limited, while many products will ship here the import duties and shipping can easily double or triple the price of imported goods if they are large or heavy it can be extremely expensive. I also donít have access to a workshop or many tools.

The room is 2.8m x 9.9m (9í2Ē x 32íx6Ē) the room widens in the middle where the kitchen is.

The walls are concrete. I didnít realize how many years I was listening to drywall vibrate until I heard a walled concrete room.

I cannot do anything permanent.



This is the empty space where everything will happen.



The window is single pane and has gaps when shut. First thing I did was seal the window gaps, so moisture and dust donít come in. The white foam also protects the black fabric from UV rays.

The wooden frame is made from 2x4s. Itís secured by hammering in the two vertical pieces, and it is in there tight. First time doing this I set the 2x4s then screwed in the white holders second.



These are the acoustic panels Iím using. They are from Primacoustics. I chose Primacoustics because they are the only ones I could find. I did look into building my own with 703. I calculated it out and it was about a wash on cost.



Having all these stacked like this really alters the room acoustics already.



It took only a few minutes to slide in all the 2Ē panels in. The reason I completely blocked out the window is that I wanted to stop as many reflections as possible. It also helps block out the outside noise. As a side benefit, it helps me sleep because the room is almost entirely dark.



These are 2 3Ē panels in the corners. Once I get a more permanent living situation, I will replace these with diaphragmatic bass absorbers. I estimate the diaphragmatic bass absorbers will weigh 200-250 pounds!



I then stacked another 3Ē on top in the corners. Corners are generally the best bang for the buck in absorption.
Donít worry I used sticky tape to clean up the panels when I finished Smiley



Sidewall panels are 3Ē resting on easels without the 3rd leg.



This is the final setup. When I first was placing the panels I had the walls heavily damped. It was overdamped, and it killed the aliveness.



Amphion Argon 7LS in rough placement 1.3m 4í4Ē away from the wall. They are on Isoacoustic Gaia resting on sheets of paper so I can slide them around. The Amp is a ďcheap ChineseĒ 15w Oldchen kt88 tube amp. I bought it wondering if 25watts would be enough. I also have PS audio M700 monos.



PS Audio P3 regenerator, Oldchen KT88-k1, Teddy pardo 7v and 9v, TP-Link media converter and PS Audio DSD DAC being fed by Microrendu. Iím laying the cables out so itís not too much of a rats nest when plugging everything in.

Cabling is Synergistic Research red x3, Purist Audio Cable Luminist Revision Neptune ( I got a fantastic deal on this cable. I still cannot believe I spent so much on it!) and the speaker cables are Zenwave. (on loan from my brother.) Analysis Plus Solo Crystal Interconnects and Curious evolved USB cable.

The equipment is sitting on 2Ē acrylic sitting on rubber and cork feet. I have hexamagic anti vibration (great value!) under the P3 and Teddy pardo. I use Isoacoustics Oreas under everything else.

All plugged in and no sparks or terrible sounds! wooo! in fact itís dead silent.



With my desk chair serving double duty as my listening chair, Iím almost ready. Just need to fire up Roon queue up a relaxing playlist and write this.

Without treatment, the room was very unpleasant for listening to music. The soundstage was between the speakers. For the most part, when it did go past the speakers, it didnít sound right at all. Details were completely lost. I vividly recall hearing a cymbal hit thinking it sounded like hundreds of BBís poured into a tin can.

I donít think I still have the untreated REW measurements. I think I had a 2s+ reverb time below 200hz and 500-800+ ms in the rest of the frequency range.

After treating the room the speakers disappeared. The depth of the sound goes past the window. The width of the soundstage goes past the speakers easily, the room seems 2-3 wider, and after you have closed your eyes, you lose your sense of space in the room.

Iíll measure the room again this weekend and share the results if people are interested. Itís still not pretty! I Have a bad suck out around 80hz. 100-200hz and 20-60hz has +15db increase.

Reverb dropped to just under 300ms until getting into the bass region where I think itís max is 1.2s of reverb.

I donít remember the exact numbers from REW. Too lazy to look it up now.

As of right now, I donít have any plans on adding diffusion. Iíve found someone who can make me a diffusor to my specs. Once I get a more permanent place to live Iíll look into it.

Any suggestions or comments Iím happy to hear.
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ScottNC
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Re: Studio Apartment Before and After
Reply #1 - 11/27/19 at 13:33:01
 
Greetings and welcome to the forum!
There are others certainly more qualified for additional advice, but Iíd have to say that you will end up where you want to be and then some just because you have decided to place as much importance as you have on treatments.
Iíd never even gotten close without a whole lot of advice and pretty substantial room treatments.
When your MKIV gets there you will be blown away with it, thatís guaranteed, I canít imagine parting with mine. Itís  also more than likely it wonít be your only DecWare purchase.
Good luck on your journey!
Best,
Scott
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GroovySauce
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Re: Studio Apartment Before and After
Reply #2 - 11/27/19 at 23:58:11
 
Thank you Scott.

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Itís †also more than likely it wonít be your only DecWare purchase.


I'm already planning on getting a ZBit and ZAFP. I also got my brother really interested in Decware and he is sold on getting a ZMA †;D

When I get more settled I'm going to bring out my turntable and a selection of LPs so the ZP3 is on my radar.

I was on the fence for awhile about getting the CSP325 on the Black Friday Sale. I decided to slow it down and wait.

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and pretty substantial room treatments.


Yes! there seems to be a tipping point where room treatments don't seem to be doing much, then WOW!
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SR UEF red x3
Teddy Pardo 7v & 9v
Roon + HQplayer
MicroRendu
PSA DSD
Torii MKiv 25th
Amphion Argon 7Ls
Analysis Plus Solo Crystal RCA
Zenwave Speaker Cable (not sure the model)
Curious Evolved USB .2m
SR UEF Red x3
Primacoustics Room treat
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Re: Studio Apartment Before and After
Reply #3 - 12/12/19 at 19:20:41
 
Thanks for posting. Looks good already. Needs carpet yet, you will be surprised with another change.  

Smiley
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GroovySauce
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Re: Studio Apartment Before and After
Reply #4 - 12/13/19 at 08:35:23
 
Radarek, funny you mention that. I keep thinking about it and putting it off. I'll have to take advantage of the holiday sales and pick up a nice rug.  8-)

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PSA P3
SR UEF red x3
Teddy Pardo 7v & 9v
Roon + HQplayer
MicroRendu
PSA DSD
Torii MKiv 25th
Amphion Argon 7Ls
Analysis Plus Solo Crystal RCA
Zenwave Speaker Cable (not sure the model)
Curious Evolved USB .2m
SR UEF Red x3
Primacoustics Room treat
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