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Randy in Caintuck
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New !!!  The Betsy & Buck 12
09/24/19 at 16:17:40
 


I decided that there would not be enough new loudspeakers to audition at Decware Fest 2019 ..... so I created one more to have some "variety" .....

The only way to add a 12" Eminence driver to a standard size Betsy baffle is to mount the drivers diagonally.



I had been thinking about doing this for a long time and came across a pair of pre-finished Baltic birch cutouts in my stash that weren't being used for anything.

This is a "passive" design with an inductor on the 12" driver ..... so no plate amp / subwoofer amp is needed.

I am extremely happy with the sound and will be curious to get some input from the Decware Fest attendees.

Larger photo here.

Happy listening,
Randy

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Re: New !!!  The Betsy & Buck 12
Reply #1 - 09/24/19 at 18:11:11
 
Once again, Randy - great work!
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Reply #2 - 09/25/19 at 20:21:24
 
They couldn’t look any better. Really like the off axis visual.
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Reply #3 - 09/25/19 at 23:08:05
 


Thanks guys .....

Actually, I had no idea how well these would turn out visually and they are better than expected.

The bass is also better than I expected ..... very natural sounding.
I'm pretty picky when it comes to integration of any multi-driver loudspeaker and these are seamless to my ears .....

They are certainly the most labor intensive speaker in my lineup, but are worth the effort. They have the finesse and sweetness of the Betsy driver and a very solid foundation in the lower midrange and bass at the low end.

Right now ..... they are the "everyday" speakers in my audio he-shed .....

Best wishes,
Randy

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Re: New !!!  The Betsy & Buck 12
Reply #4 - 10/01/19 at 21:36:57
 
They look nice Randy.  Looking forward to hearing them at the Fest.  The listening room is going to be jammed with all these new speakers!
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Reply #5 - 10/22/19 at 02:51:31
 
Hello Randy!
With what you have said of the Lii Fast 8 being  "not as 'full' as the Betsy drivers, but the speed and detail are a bit better"; and with Palomino telling of the AES woofer: "I've never heard bass this clear and musical before"; I thought I would suggest pairing the AES Dipole 12 with Lii's speaker to make your 8 & 12 Open Baffle.  

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Reply #6 - 10/22/19 at 11:11:42
 
Based on what I have heard with the crystal 10 and AE LO15, it would likely be a good combo but $$$$.
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Re: New !!!  The Betsy & Buck 12
Reply #7 - 10/22/19 at 18:44:39
 


Brian wrote

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With what you have said of the Lii Fast 8 being  "not as 'full' as the Betsy drivers, but the speed and detail are a bit better"; and with Palomino telling of the AES woofer: "I've never heard bass this clear and musical before"; I thought I would suggest pairing the AES Dipole 12 with Lii's speaker to make your 8 & 12 Open Baffle.


Hi Brian,

I checked out the AES drivers you are referring to and they look very nice indeed ..... however, as Palomino mentioned they are a bit pricey.
If I'm reading the information on their website correctly, they would be almost 900.00 for the pair .....

Most of my customers are looking for a bargain ..... so I don't know how well that would fly, despite the fact that the results would no doubt be very good.  About the only way I could see that working is as a special order item.

As a side note ..... I just received some information from Lii Audio telling me about a new bass driver that they will be offering soon.
It's a 15" driver intended to be a "top shelf" item and will retail for 599.00 a pair.
Sadly, a 15" driver will not fit on the Betsy & Buck baffle ..... but could be used singly (summed from a subwoofer amp) or as a pair in separate baffles.  Could be interesting .....

Best wishes,
Randy

 
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Reply #8 - 10/24/19 at 03:45:50
 
Hi Randy,
Having a special order list in your catalog sounds interesting!

On a separate note, It was you who first welcomed me to the Decware forum in February 2001. I don't think I ever said thank you. I am grateful for the friendliness you extended to me then.

Best wishes on your speaker building enterprises.
Brian
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Re: New !!!  The Betsy & Buck 12
Reply #9 - 12/10/19 at 15:47:41
 


Hi Brian,

Thanks for the kind words and good wishes .....

I finally had a few minutes to update the Betsy & Buck page of my website.
The updated page can be seen here.

Best wishes,
Randy

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