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Reply #350 - 09/16/23 at 21:45:34
 
"Aww shucks" he says while looking down and shuffling his feet.

Thanks guys!

I am liking this look of fronts and backs being the same heights, the top and bottom being inside instead of capping the top and bottom and the sides being in between.

I've done the whole 45 degree corner thing before, but I like how the end grain looks when it is really sanded out.

My co-worker wanted something to show off the wood. so that's what he got from me.

I have maybe another project in me for the rest of the year, but nothing planned, yet.
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Reply #351 - 11/21/23 at 17:45:29
 
Been breaking these in. Acacia faces with white ash supports.

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Reply #352 - 11/21/23 at 20:04:02
 
That is a nice looking speaker!
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Reply #353 - 11/22/23 at 13:29:48
 
Thanks, Donnie. Coming from you i take that as a major compliment.  8-)
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Reply #354 - 11/22/23 at 14:40:44
 
Gilf,

I'm not even in the same time zone as you are as far as speaker building!

You have major skills!
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Reply #355 - 11/22/23 at 14:43:54
 
Beautiful! About the nicest of this design that I’ve seen.
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Reply #356 - 04/05/24 at 22:14:12
 
Well today I bought some mahogany and some maple lumber.
I wonder how dark wood and light wood would compliment each other?

There are some Tang Band W5-2143 drivers hooked up to an amplifier playing in my shop just to put some break-in miles on them.

Hmmm, sounds like a hell of a place to start a speaker project.
Film at 11:00, 10:00 central.

There is a chance that they could end up with some red on them, or not.
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Reply #357 - 04/06/24 at 21:11:14
 
Well something is happening.

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Reply #358 - 04/19/24 at 18:31:52
 
I am at a crossroad today.

My mahogany and maple speakers are coming along at a pretty good clip.

They are all cut out, glued up, and sanded.

Today I started putting the finish on them, so far so good.

I just can't come to a decision on what color to finish the MDF parts of them.

Both sides, the back and the bottom are all MDF.

Several ideas that come to mind are satin white, gloss white, satin black, and of course bright red.

So my question to you all is what do you think goes with the wood colors as they are shown here?






Side view:



And yes, the blue tape comes off!!
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Reply #359 - 04/19/24 at 21:19:25
 
What about a cool looking vinyl wrap? There are hundreds of options which you could choose from. Perhaps there is a glowing tube or music theme variety out there befitting a Donnie project?

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Reply #360 - 04/20/24 at 02:36:57
 
Looking awesome, Donnie!
Black is always a good backdrop to accentuate national wood.
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Reply #361 - 04/20/24 at 06:43:37
 
Match the driver color.  Black is a nice contrast to the wood tones.  Wood looks great, nice job!
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Reply #362 - 04/20/24 at 20:50:16
 
Should I state the obvious? Red.
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Reply #363 - 04/22/24 at 18:28:51
 
I just primed the MDF.

They hopefully will be satin black if my very weak painting skills get me by.

Current state.


When it dries I will sand it flat and add more primer if needed.
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Reply #364 - 04/28/24 at 03:41:06
 
I don't have any design experience. My DIY experience in limited to putting together a GR Research speaker kit. I'm probably going down the rabbit hole of putting something together.  I'm interested in a full range driver and possibly pairing it with a tweeter without a crossover or only using a FRD. I might also experiment with using multiple FRDs to improve speed. Should be fun.
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Reply #365 - 04/28/24 at 04:46:25
 
TexJ,

I'd be happy to help you design something.

Tell me what you would like to do and what kind of drivers you think that you would like to use.

We can figure out some sort of plan.

I retire Tuesday, so I'm pretty free.
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Reply #366 - 04/28/24 at 12:41:25
 
Not to take this thread off topic but congrats on your retirement, Donnie! I am so looking forward to mine. It will be the next major event in my life but still some distance away.

Tex, while I encourage you to accept Donnie’s sage assistance, I would not hesitate to pick up a pair of full range drivers and start experimenting. Just stick them in a piece of plywood. You will likely be happy and the more you tweak it the better and better they will get. Welcome to your new addiction. Lol.
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Reply #367 - 04/28/24 at 18:07:27
 
Gilf,

Thanks for the congrat, I figured after 50 years of working it was time to call it a career.
Sixty Three and a Half sounded old enough.

Back to the project at hand:

Satin black is the new red,






I'll let it dry a day or two, rip off the tape and see what I screwed up and what I need to fix.

I've also decided to try something new on the interior of the speakers.
Instead of using felt or poly stuffing I'm going to try foam grout sponges to line the walls. Cheap and easy to get, I figured why not?



Does anyone have a reason on why they wouldn't work?
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Reply #368 - 04/28/24 at 21:55:49
 
Donnie, will do & congrats on the retirement. I'll send a PM with some basic info.
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Reply #369 - 04/29/24 at 04:37:58
 
Congrats, Donnie. Don’t do like I’m doing, and end up busier in retirement than you were when you were working.

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Reply #370 - 05/01/24 at 18:33:48
 
Well, I more or less finished up these mahogany and maple speakers.

The plan for these is to now build some sort of stand for them.
They will probably end up in my bedroom so my wife can get mad at me for having yet more speakers strewn about "her" house.

Interestingly, today is our 32nd anniversary and the first day of my retirement! I like things to be on the same day as to not forget them.

Anyway, here are views of the speakers in my dirty garage.









When I started playing them in my garage, well, I wasn't too impressed.
5" woofers in a 24X24 empty room with a garage door hanging open isn't a recipe for being sterilized by too much bass!

But moving them inside to my listening room made things much better.
The bass improved immensely and the imaging is what makes single drivers famous.
I'm sure that a couple hundred more hours on them will really help them out.

By the way, I have recently jumped back on the tube bandwagon again and am driving these with my Torii.
It feels like Old Home Week.
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Reply #371 - 05/01/24 at 22:45:33
 
Beautiful, Donnie. Another gorgeous speaker you have created.

Although not really a box speaker guy anymore I recently built a pair to go with a pair of Lii f-6’s that Lin was gracious enough to send me for free along with some other speakers I had ordered. I tried them in an open baffle then put them in a box. The box changed the speaker so much; so much low end, and so much more balanced across the hearing spectrum. I’ll see if I can find a picture of them. Listened to them on my wife’s office system for a few weeks then put them out on the curb for some lucky recipient. Haha.
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Reply #372 - 05/01/24 at 22:47:28
 
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Reply #373 - 05/02/24 at 01:23:26
 
Gilf,

That is a nice looking speaker.

Yeah, I build speakers, I give away speakers!
My friends all have some pretty nice speakers at their homes because of me.

I have a pair of open baffles that I haven't played in years. Maybe it is time to drag them out to give them a listen.

I'm not too sure if I took them to the curb I would have any takers.
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Reply #374 - 05/31/24 at 18:49:14
 
Well here we go again, for at least another chapter of my mahogany and maple speakers.

I have been playing the crap out of them.
Had them in my listening room, put them in my bedroom, huge mistake there.
That went over like a turd in the punchbowl with "She Who Must Be Obeyed"!
So back to the listening room they went.

The only problem with that is that it meant that now there were six pairs of speakers in my listening room.
And anyone who knows anything, knows that speakers only sound right when they are held to a prime number in any room. (Don't give me any crap that because they are "pairs" of speakers that you can never have a prime number, I'm just telling a story here).

So back out to the garage the mahogany and maple speakers went.
As i have reported before, 5" woofers in a 24"X24" garage sounds a little, shall we say, impotent.

So what to do?
Well a quick shopping spree at Parts express fixed me right up.
I ordered a El Cheapo GRS 8" subwoofer and a even cheaper TPS 3 channel class D Bluetooth amplifier.

As I have made a few Deathbox's from plans that I had bought from Decware with very good results, I figured what the hell, I'll just downsize everything from a 12" to a 8" driver.

Let me tell you, it really worked. Like shake everything off of the wall worked.

So here is where I am now.











I am also currently painting up speaker stands for these speakers.
Painting means that I put a coat on, then sand it off because I screwed up something.
I use about 5 times more material that anyone who knows how to paint ever does.



And yes, my neighbors still hate me.

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Reply #375 - 06/01/24 at 20:44:03
 
Hello, Donnie.  I never expected to post in the DIY portion of the forum (I do plug power cords into the receptacle, and connect up various cables all by myself, but that is the full extent of my practical skills).

However, I did perk up when I saw the reference to prime numbers!  I think you were very clever to add a single subwoofer to your set up, so that however many pairs of speakers you have, there is an odd number of speakers.  So you should be fine with 6 pairs of speakers along with your subwoofer - 13 speakers total, a prime number!  Kidding aside, those are nice looking speakers.  

Hope you are enjoying the early days of your retirement.  
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Reply #376 - 06/26/24 at 01:35:28
 
And now I'm building something completely different but still related.

Today I went out and bought a 48"X 25" X1.5" butcher block countertop from Menard's.

Then I started hacking away on it.  I really didn't have a very fleshed out plan about what I was going to do, but I did it anyway.

So the need is for a amplifier/equipment stand, I want to go vertical instead of horizontal to facilitate turning my listening room 180 deg.

I've grown tired of staring at this same wall for the last 22 years!

As far as the wood hacking, this is what I have done today:

Two shelves and eight legs.



Artsy shot of the legs.



Artsy shot of the shelves.



Tomorrow I will figure out how long to make the legs.

I'm contemplating putting either spikes or some sort of vibration control pads on the legs.

And that brings up the old bugaboo of what is better, rigid to the floor or floating on some sort of spring/elastic puck???

I'm open to suggestions on that front!!!

Tomorrow is sanding and perhaps getting some finish on the wood.
 
The instructions that came with the wood said that it needed to be sealed within 48 hours from removing it from the packaging or bad things would happen!

I'd hate to think that my good luck streak in life would come to an end because I didn't seal some wood up.  I need to contemplate the risk/reward of my actions!
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Reply #377 - 06/26/24 at 12:04:59
 
Hey Donnie,
Interesting cut of the legs. Cheers for utilizing a piece of wood to fit your needs but at a risk of truning those legs into a Jenga stack over time or maybe sooner with an accidental drop. I would recommend a spline be cut in two sides of the legs. It would also improve the ascetics IMO.

As far as isolation or spikes, IME a concrete floor would be a good candidate for isolation. A suspended wood floor might fair better with a spiked rack. Concrete is a solid piece of plastic making a very good diaphram. A wood floor is an assembly of many parts that churns a lot of different resonance to oblivion.

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Reply #378 - 06/27/24 at 00:15:48
 
Hey Donnie…great job on the speakers and the stands.  I am finishing up building some outdoor planter boxes to house my palm trees.  

My next project is building a set of speaker stands for my Pinnacle Bookshelf speakers I modified a few months ago with new capacitors.  After going back and forth….I found this design I am going to copy.  I already have the walnut on hand..just need to decide if I’m going to go with mahogany, maple, or another complimentary accent wood.  Here is a picture of the stands that I will be recreating.   Probably cheaper to buy…but I need to hone in on my skills….because after that…I will be working on a crate to hold more vinyl.

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Reply #379 - 06/27/24 at 01:19:16
 
Dom,

My vote would be maple or even poplar!
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Reply #380 - 06/27/24 at 13:24:19
 
Donnie…thanks!

I actually like the idea of poplar!  It looks like it’s time swap out the DeWalt combo blade on my compound miter saw, and throw in my finer tooth Orange blade.
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Reply #381 - 06/28/24 at 01:36:15
 
Well my rack project is moving forward.

Today I milled out the center of what will end up being the legs so that I could strengthen them up by putting a .750"X.750" oak spline in them.

I got fancy and figured out how to offset my router to cut the groove in the center of the piece and just turn the part 180 degrees to get it to width.

Having been a toolmaker for years finally paid off!

So here is where I am as of today.



The legs with the spline in place. Nothing is glued yet.



Fancy end shot.



Fancy top shot.



A little color on the shelves.



The plan for tomorrow is to make some 45 deg. braces and maybe get some of it biscut jointed and glued up.

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Reply #382 - 06/28/24 at 10:34:07
 
Looks good Donnie! Nice work.
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Reply #383 - 07/02/24 at 22:35:11
 
Here is where I am on my stand project as of today.

Getting much closer.

How it will go together but before any color has been put on the legs.
I also put spikes on it right after this photo.



These are after they were oiled down with linseed oil.






I may backtrack on the taller one and put "spreaders" between the legs if it feels too wonky after everything is set in place. Time will tell.

So onward and upward.
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Reply #385 - 07/08/24 at 00:04:39
 
Well I can't say that I am totally done with my equipment rack, but it is close enough to put it together in my room.

It needs to sit and dry out for a while, then I will put wax on it and buff it all out.

It was made with birch butcher block countertop, oak and mahogany splines in the legs, oak and maple angle supports.

It was finished with boiled linseed, with wipe on poly over the top.

So here it is, not in it's final position, but at least in the right room.



Close ups:



I put it on spikes, why, why not.



Shelf finish.



Overhead shot



On to the next project....
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Reply #386 - 07/08/24 at 00:13:24
 
LOVELY!
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Reply #387 - 07/08/24 at 05:23:14
 
Donnie…… great job!! I’ve been using the wipe on poly lately and really like the end result.  My main audio rack was done with a wipe on poly when I refinished it, and used a white carnuaba wax over the poly.  

Congrats!

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Reply #388 - 07/11/24 at 23:10:37
 
Now I am getting to the actual reason of why I built the new equipment rack.

I turned my listening room around 180 degrees. It had been pointed the same way since December of '02 when we moved into this place.

Well it is different for sure.
It might even sound better this way, a lot more bass for sure.

It didn't go painlessly though.
I tore up my Mapleshade foil interconnects in a not paying attention to how long they were while walking situation. Stepped right on one and tore it apart. I needed to pay closer attention to where my big feet were stomping. Oh well!

I did end up offsetting the furniture a bit so I now have a listening chair instead of a listening couch.

I'm sure that there will be some adjustment of things as I get more settled in.

A few photos:



A fisheye of the room.



My old desk has been moved and it now has my Maple and Mahogany speakers on it for sound from my computer.
My old Wadia DAC AMP is powering them.
Nearfield listening is really spooky!



And a straight on view of my equipment rack with all of my stuff on it.




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Reply #389 - 07/11/24 at 23:46:45
 
Nice looking set ups Donnie. Hope they bring you some great listening.

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Reply #390 - 08/02/24 at 17:14:06
 
I have been reading about crossovers for the last few days and still don't understand much of it.

A friend of mine who has a pair of my "Rockers" speakers keeps blowing out his HiVi tweeters, how, I don't have a clue. I've cranked my speakers hard for years.

Anyway, he decided to buy a different tweeter and have me put them in a pair of new speakers.

The big problem is that the new tweeters are 105 dB efficient and the old ones were 94 dB. The 8" drivers are also 94 dB.
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how to knock the extra 11 dB off of the tweeter and maybe actually build a crossover that will do crossover things.

I see that a whole bunch of other people can do these types of things so I guess I can too.

Wish me luck.
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Reply #391 - 08/02/24 at 19:53:17
 
It's just math .

Looking forward to your new adventure.
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Reply #392 - 08/04/24 at 22:12:46
 
There are nice builds in here.  Donnie, are your monitors transmission line loudspeakers?

I am playing with the idea is building from scratch a transmission line design or a monitor with a passive radiator.  
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Reply #393 - 08/24/24 at 03:32:56
 
A friend of mine has a strange problem that I'm pondering about.

He blows tweeters out of speakers, and I'm not talking once and not in the same speakers all of the time.

I built him a pair of my Rocker speakers a few years ago and he has blown the tweeters out of them at least three times.

They use HiVi RT1C-A Planar tweeters, I've used them for years in probably a dozen builds without any problem at all.

I use them in my Garage speakers that blast at least 85 dB all day long, with years and years of use on them.

Well when I heard that he had blown out another pair, yes always in pairs, I loaned him my pair of CSS Criton's for something to listen to.

Well guess what?

He blew up the tweeters in the Criton's.
He quickly ordered me up a new pair of tweeters and I replaced them. They are playing right now.

These incidents have happened with at least 2 amplifiers.

One was one of those cheap ChiFi amps that are highly recommended by The Cheap Audiophile.

The second amp is a, well , a cheap ChiFi hybrid tube/class D sold by Parts Express.

I just don't get what is going on.

I assume that he plays loud, he is a bass player, only one step above a drummer!

I will make sure to explain that this was a joke to drummers out there by typing slowly.

I play loud and have zero problems with speaker life in general.

Anyway, I don't have a clue of what is going on.
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Reply #394 - 08/29/24 at 12:59:16
 
Donnie

What are you using now for the crossover for this RT1C-A that your friend keeps blowing?

Is it always a (cheap) class D amp that blows the RT1C-A?


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Reply #395 - 08/29/24 at 15:48:26
 
Dan,

The crossover on the tweeter is just a capacitor, the funny thing is that he also blew the tweeters out of my CSS speakers that have a very extensive crossover.

As far as the amplifier, yes he has always used class D amps. I sort of think that might be his problem.

I've even thought about giving him some different speaker cables and perhaps some better interconnects.

I'm kicking around the idea of building a full crossover network for him.
 
The weird thing to me is that he always blows them out in pairs.
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Reply #396 - 08/29/24 at 16:56:32
 
What is the capacitor size?

Here is the very simple crossover tool I use a lot:

https://www.diyaudioandvideo.com/Calculator/SpeakerCrossover/

Your tweeter spec says 5 ohms, 3k-21k hz, 20w, 93db 2.83v/1m and recommended crossover 2nd order, 3k hz or above.

A single capacitor is 1st order (6db/octave) meaning that if the crossover point is 3khz, 1 octave below that (1500 hz) the signal will be 6 db down.  A 2nd order adds an inductor to get 12 db/octave attenuation, meaning at 1500 hz the signal is 12db down...this is the recommended minimum crossover.  So your capacitor is letting a lot of audio get to the tweeter in the 1k-3k range that shouldn't be getting there.  Usually with just a capacitor you would pick the crossover point well above the minimum, like 2 or 3 khz for a tweeter that could crossover at 1khz with a 2nd order crossover.  2-3 times your 3khz wouldn't make sense, its too high.

Plugging your numbers into the calculator and playing around a bit, I come up with a 3200 hz 2nd order Linkwitz-Riley design that uses a 5.1uf capacitor (Parts Express 027-423 for $1.69) followed by a .5mh inductor (Parts Express 257-036 for $4.39).  So, $6 per side (plus tax and shipping)

If your tweeter is too loud, put a resistor in front of the (tweeter + crossover).  If your woofer is too loud, put a resistor in front of the woofer.  

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Reply #397 - 08/29/24 at 18:26:12
 
Thank you Dan.

Currently it has a 3.9 uF cap on them.

I will order up some parts and build up what you recommend.
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Reply #398 - 09/19/24 at 18:57:56
 
So to update on what I have been working on the last few weeks.

First I built a dining room table for my wife. She wanted a much smaller and narrower table than she could find at a store, so I made her one.

Now making one didn't involve chopping down a tree and planing down wood, It was a short trip to Lowe's to get a fancy wood countertop and making it the correct size.
I then sanded and put finish on to end that operation of the project.

A quick Google search found me at the Leg Shop, where I put in a order for steel legs.

When the legs came in, I bolted them on, and boom, dining room table!

Wife happy, check!



Well after all of that bull mess, I still had about 3 foot of countertop left over.
What to do with the material? It was expensive stuff, no reason to waste.

Well I needed speaker stands to set my garage rocker speakers on during the winter when I move them inside.

So sawing, gluing, sanding took place. A few coats of boiled linseed oil and some bee's wax were slathered on, and kaboom, speaker stands!







So now I'm thinking about the next thing to make.
I need to keep my mind busy or I will want start back on my Manifesto, and believe me when I say that no one wants that to happen!
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Reply #399 - 09/20/24 at 00:17:42
 
Very nice Donnie!
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