Geno, that classic looks like a plastic step stool. I think that will fit just fine in my scheme. Does it get warm with extended use? Nice RtoR

MM, I am wondering if EcoFlows have backflow protection. Doing what you described with a double plug was the reason my 3 of 5 inverters failed. The other two just quit working.

ArtMan the Delta 3 Classic is advertised at under 30db with 600 watts or less draw. Perfect for our use. Definitely in the sweet spot!

I see Renewable Outdoors has the Delta 3 Classic for $386. Going to call then today to see how well they back their sales.

Leaving it unplugged might defeat a backflow safeguard if there is one.

The use of inverters in the motorhome and constant different scenarios encountered with hookups while traveling caused the issue of failure. Long story short, after 2 failures because of a haphazard safeguard, I ended up installing a second transfer switch using the time delay in that switch giving time for a relay to automatically disconnect the inverter’s output from the electrical system and switching the travel circuits back to the motor homes transfer switch. Worked well for 18 years until the transfer switch’s timer circuit failed causing a third failure.

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In theory even if the sine wave is the same there is the issue of source impedance. And that is basically how fast it can source current in response to transients. PS Audio makes a big deal about it, probably the only way to know for sure is to get one of each .

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C'mon, this your first day as an audiophile?

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IMO they are hyping fast power delivery. The idea is power at your outlet is dirty but fast. Power conditioning generally trades cleaner for slower while PSA gives you both clean and fast. But I claim no expertise on the topic.

No expert! Me neither.

While it is understandable and a good sales point to promote quick response to transient demand, I think it is moot here. We are dealing with a general purpose device that has passed our ears as a positive addition to date. I’ve heard a lot that is described in this thread with my initial session. This device can give quick response to demand with 100% surge capacity at the outlet. Our romex strung house wiring can not do that. Fast response at the house outlet . Nope.

I did get a hold of Renewable Outdoors. They do the legwork on warranty issues. Chance is it will not be needed but gives added comfort. To get the $386 price one needs to painlessly join their insider club. Free shipping. 30 day return at customer cost if its not an issue with the device.

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I totally believe the Ecoflow sounds faster, better, all that and a bag of chips, compared to your romex strung house wiring. But no circuit element: resistor, capacitor, battery + inverter or whatever, responds faster, i.e. has a higher slew rate, than a good conductor like romex. Esp. if home run'd back to the breaker box. Clearly there is more to sounding fast than just "fast" and what you really need is a combination of clean and fast enough.

I've been listening to a lot of music in the last week. I've listened to so many pieces of music that a lot of it has become a blur. I wanted to mention another quality that I've noticed that is new to me. One thing evident in my listening has been an enhancement in microdynamics. This is especially true with orchestral music but also in many other types of music. Being able to clearly hear the microdynamic structures of pieces of music, at smaller increments, at lower levels, is giving me a broader appreciation of many aspects of music itself. That is one of the qualities that comes with clean power, familiar sounding yet new.

I have no idea if the PS Audio power regenerator gives a purer sound than my $400+ EcoFlow. I'm been too busy listening to music to care.

Lon,

I had several Veri-Fi powering conditioner products in my system and they were very helpful when I was plugging into the wall. With my EcoFlow feeding me power, my system sounds better with all of them out. It was subtle but was associated with the products slightly masking detail compared with only my EcoFlow plugged into into my SDFB's. What you are describing I heard before the EcoFlow but this goes a little deeper down into detail. That might be why I could lower my volume 1 1/2 db's and still hear subjectively equivalent detail.

Lon,

When I was using the word more, I was describing what I was hearing after pulling the Veri-Fi conditioners versus with them in, in my system. It was not meant as a comparison to your hearing or your system. I only meant I was hearing what you were describing before I made the change, as well as after the change. In my system, it was a little more detail than before. I have no issue with you described before, only I heard different in my system and thought it might be helpful information.

Once I resolved the brightness issues in my system, more detail has always added to the realism, not taken away. That is why I equate more detail as something positive in my system. I have also experienced the opposite before and understand a different perspective.

I understood your position, thanks for elucidating it. I've resolved brightness in my system as well, but more "detail" has always moved my balance away from a satisfying sound for me, so experiencing more detail has always been a step backward for me, I know that it is different for others. I no longer even know if that is a possible risk--I get an almost disturbing amount of detail right now, with this particular implementaion of the two LNBH, SSZ, SFDB and also Mad Scientist and Telos Audio things.

I didn't mean to come off combative. I really am happy that you have found this plateau and are just listening to music--that is a great thing and when I am happiest is when I am just listening to the music in awe--I've landed there now.

Geno, if the audio gods do steer Steve in this direction it would yield interesting results. And yes by choice I am using a very different type of speaker.

My system took a dive for the worst as of late. Making matters worse, and after Friday's marathon session, I woke up Saturday only to find the missus wants a bigger one I swelled up with determination heading down into Charoit and proceeded to rip things apart
With priority set the ZSTYXs were snapped off. My custom made OCC braided cables reinstalled straight to the Crystals from rhodium copper spades connected to the SE84UFO25 without any slime. The SE84UFO25 was moved to the center of the isolation platform. The stage was set. With juice supplied, my mistress sang out loud with a familiar soothing tone
After a celebratory Genesee the EcoFlow River 2 Max was set in place and plugged into the cap banks and system plugged into it's output. It powered a few albums never getting warm or sounding out of place. The music surrounding like the missus first hug. The touch of soft skin soothing my troubled mind. A new calm feel over me heading back upstairs to order a Delta 3 Classic so the missus can watch TV during an outage

Thanks Lon. It was corrected. What I really need here is a proof reader and keyboard that fits all 10 fingers.

MM, I kept thinking that there was another open baffle user on the forum, but I could not place it. Looking back through the forum threads, I finally figured it out - it was you! Or another you, anyway - you were Gilf before

Speaking of other open baffle dudes, Tom, are you out there? Have not heard from you in a while. Donnie, have you heard from him? I hope all is well.

Since I automatically look for the like button

ArtMan, do be so self-deprecating. You handle words very well.

You'll enjoy the JR. I am sure. Give it a little time and attention, I'm far more "wowed" by it now two weeks later than I was when it first arrived.

Lon,

I may have exaggerated a little bit but I am not a writer by nature and I struggle with it at times. I can speak a lot better than I can write.

JBZen,

I am seriously considering getting a Delta 3 Classic also. When my Dynagrid Jr. arrives sometime in the not too distant future, I wonder if the extra power is likely to result in my River 2 Max fan running louder/more often. I think I will check on deals.

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I ran the R2Max for several hours plugged in from the get go yesterday. The fan never turned on. My system pulled between 220/244 watts during that period. The converter was cool to the touch after that time. The two units we are talking about here also can act as UPS that can switch ultra fast between power sources. That means the the pure sine wave circuitry is in constant use because by nature it would take some time to stabilize once started. I think it is the reason why we hear no difference with it plugged in or running by battery. The trick here is balancing the charging cycles between listening sessions and preserving battery longevity, I think.

JB, you’re right. Up until now I have been running mine off battery and charging when not listening. Today I ran it while plugged in and once the battery charged the fan never ran again.  Beauty.

One thing I notice is that the amp is noticeably louder off the Ecoflow than off wall power. I rarely move the volume control on my amp and instead use my streamer/dac for volume control. I am very much aware of different volume setting on the streamer, with 0-100 steps. I typically have 100 on the dial set to ~90db. I can’t go over 75-80 on the dial when plugged into the Ecoflow without exceeding 90 db and being way too loud.

BTW- Geno. I recall my 300b was drawing about 180 watts but with the UFO it’s only pulling 73 watts (including the Crown and CXN100).

Oh that’s a good point, Geno. I wonder if the higher draw of the SEWE300b would make the fan kick on more often?

Interesting that you get better low end from vinyl. I find digital to be better. More solid, tighter, faster. I think you have a much better vinyl rig than I ever have. But what I get from digital currently keeps me happy enough to explore other opt.

I got a River 2 Pro. For all the research I did I was shocked to see how small it is. Remember those Colman lunchbox/coolers with the lid that slid to one side? It's about that size, very portable. I went with this one to break the ice and please my curiosity. It will also get use at softball tournaments/games, outdoors and outages. The pro has a 768Kw battery which should power the stereo for a few hours unplugged.

I set it up on the digital system upstairs. This setup had the amp into the wall and everything else went through a Furman. The living room and dining room are on this same circuit. Currently pulling 113w and unplugged from the wall using a UFO, Maple Tree Pre, Denafrips Ares 15th and Iris 12th.

First things first, my UFO always had a hum starting at 90% volume to 100%. Not anymore. I'm excited to see if this holds true in the main system. It bothered me that it was there, but not while listening.

I'm about 3 hrs in, so very early. The volume with the Ecoflow is definitely louder than without it, it's like a completely different system. I've had to fiddle with knobs to get a new sweet spot. It is VERY different vs wall power, I didn't care for it at first to be honest. I expected a difference, but not this night and day difference. It's pulling me in more and more as I go. It's going to be a few days where it sits before going down into the main system for a try. It's going to be interesting to see how the battery does vs all the fancy outlets and dedicated circuit. Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to try that out.

Fan noise - the Pro seems to have two fans one pulling air in on the right and the fan on the left pushing hot air out. I just plugged the Ecoflow into wall to get the fan to kick on. Im listening to digital but when I plugged it in to the wall it sounded like a stylus catching a fur ball for 5-10 seconds. Anyway, sitting in a chair with the unit on the floor eight feet away I can't hear the fan while the music is playing, between tracks it's there, but not annoying. In a smaller room it could be an issue. Some may hear the fan differently, but this one is seems ok so far.

My unit was also on firmware 1.0 when i opened it. The gauges on the screen went crazy when I plugged my phone into it. Time will tell if that improves, not too worried about it.

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It seems that I misspoke about the energy management setting in the app. The 20% setting is where the device will shutdown while using battery power. The lowest rate the unit will automatically recharge is at 50% and hold that charge rate. So it would take some user input to accomplish a charge rate of 100% by resetting the rate in the energy management setting then changing it back to 50% once charged.

I will definitely take it to camp this summer. There are many times when a R2Max will come in handy there.

Another positive is that the CXNV2 will not shut down in the event of a power outage. At least in my configuration. If there is any loss of power even for a second or two which happens in my case often, the CXNV2 will not restore back in standby mode. The CXNV2 supplies music to the whole house system, office system, and tech shop as well as the Charoit. It does get a bit irritating when in another area and the streamers app will not power it up because of a power interruption at some point since last use.

Artman, yes VIVID is a good term, not bright but very, very clear.

Regarding power cords and receptacles...I chose the Pro because it had 4 grounded outlets. For the digital system I use all four, when I switch to the basement, I'll only be using one - UFO25, CSP and ZP3 into a fourway box and SDFB into the Ecoflow. I'm using the supplied Ecoflow cable from the Ecoflow to the wall. It's a rather stout cable vs what you usually get with components.

For now, I'm using cheap cables in the digital system. Tonight I plan to use two Decware cords with Furutech ends. I'll report back on how that goes. I did find one of my cheap Amazon "audiophile" cables wouldn't fit in the Ecoflow, the ground bit just won't go into the receptacle.

The ecoflow has been off and unplugged from the wall, AC outlets ON and  components still plugged in. The battery has drained 50% in 14 hours. The Iris DDC is still "on" as it has no power button. Just turned AC outlets off with hope that stops the slow drain.

Guys,

I’ve got Decware cables everywhere, except from the Eco to the wall.

John, is the cable you just made, plugged into the wall?

Art, I have not compared yet, but did you say that the female end was too large (aftermarket cable) to plug into the Eco?