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Reply #150 - 06/26/26 at 21:21:26
 
Doug, how is the fan on the Delta 3? I haven’t tried the River 2 but folks here don’t seem to notice the fan being a problem. My Delta Pro fan can be obnoxious but not as noticeable for steady loud music. I seem to be more sensitive than others to these kinds of things too. Smiley
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Reply #151 - 06/26/26 at 22:29:07
 
FWIW the EcoFlow River 2 Pro's fan only comes on when recharging. After it's charged and powering my Mystery amp, it is dead quiet with no fan operating.

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Reply #152 - 06/27/26 at 18:56:31
 
Just so that everyone understands their options with how these can be used, my unit stays plugged in to the wall 24/7. The performance is exactly the same plugged in vs unplugged.

Even plugged in to the wall, the components are still powered by the EcoFlow battery. The only time noise is introduced is if the internal charge starts during stereo use. In the event that this happens, there is a buzz that occurs. If this happens to me during play, I go into the app and jump the recharge limit level down.

And I have yet to ever hear a fan come on with mine.
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Reply #153 - 06/28/26 at 00:30:33
 
I’ve been following this thread with interest and have been checking out the choices on EcoFlows website, but haven’t yet pulled the trigger.

I’ll admit, there’s something that has confused me. The information online indicates that most of these units only provide, clean power when run strictly on battery power. When the units are plugged in, it goes into AC pass through mode and the power bypasses the battery and is fed to devices directly from the grid. Thus, there’s no difference when powering your components when the EcoFlow is plugged into the wall, than having the components plugged directly to the wall without the EcoFlow. So, the only way to benefit with perfect clean sine wave is to unplug the EcoFlow and run the components on the battery, then recharging when you aren’t using the components. The other option is to have the EcoFlow charged by solar panels instead of AC power from the grid. My understanding is there are also a few of the higher end units like the Delta Pro Ultra and a few others that allow you to bypass this grid passthrough mode?

Am I way off on this? Perhaps there are newer firmware updates that allow the standard River and Delta models to disable the grid pass through mode? Are people also using a power conditioner in the chain(I was considering this in place of any other power conditioning)? Geno, I’ll try to read thru later to verify which EcoFlow you’re using, but do you also have the ZLC plugged into it?

This is one of the concerns that has held me back and the higher end models are cost and size prohibitive. Hoping to get clarity.
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Reply #154 - 06/28/26 at 01:45:48
 
I looked into this technology a couple of years ago as I was thinking about using a Tesla Powerwall to power my system.
At that time (say 5 years ago) I was warned that the inverters were the weak point as they didn't produce good enough sine waves.
Has there been a big upgrade in this technology?

In reading the problems that people are having with DC offset and such just gets me wondering if the systems aren't fully where they need to be yet?
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Reply #155 - 06/28/26 at 02:47:58
 
I have a lot of experience with inverter power in uninterruptable power supplies, aka UPS, for computers and networks. And the AC that comes out of them is horrible. So I was both intrigued and skeptical of EcoFlow when they first showed up on the forum. I looked for any kind of details on the technology and couldn't find any.  But it is hard to argue with the positive experience of so many posters so they must be doing something right.

As for DC offset, is there a spec? To me, if it is noticeable it seems like a defect in the unit and I'd see about getting it replaced under warranty. JMO, but a "pure sine wave" shouldn't have DC. DC offset isn't good for any electronics, not just audio.
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Reply #156 - 06/28/26 at 02:57:11
 
Yes. The older inverters used Modified Sine Waves, which damaged sensitive electronics, motors and compressors would hum, overheat, and fail prematurely, etc. That's why these new inverters advertise that they produce Pure Sine Waves.
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Reply #157 - 07/01/26 at 12:25:35
 
I have have my source equipment plugged into the charged up reconditioned EcoFlow R2. It's sounding magnificent. The app allows for tracking (and renaming) both units - very cool. Everything is dead quiet on the AC noise front with a touch more openess and detail emerging as compared to my Vera-Fi Snub Station Zero. The Zero performed extremely well handling my source equipment.

I'm running the Ecoflow R2 into the venerable PI Audio UBER Buss to start off listening and later will try it directly plugged into my dedicated AC line receptacle.

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Reply #158 - Yesterday at 13:11:37
 
My experience so far with the Delta Pro Ultra (DPU)

Initial setup:
Wall -> Torus AVR 15 -> x2 power distribution boxes -> components.

New setup:
Wall -> DPU -> Torus AVR 15 -> x2 power distribution boxes -> components.

Turned everything on and sat down to listen… and was very disappointed. Sound stage was pushed into my face; I did have a nice bit of envelopingness; however, the dynamics were just gone. I let the system play for a few hours. When I came back, it was about the same.

From the Torus I had  2 PCs feeding two power distributors. The other outlets from the Torus had parallel plug in devices: Verafi Snubway, Puron, ADD-Powr ElectraClear EAU4, RS Audio CF-1 and MF-1.

Removed these, and the sound did get a bit better, nothing significant.

The next day, I removed the Torus from the setup. So both power distributors are connected directly to the inverter.

Newest setup: DPU -> 2x Power Distributors -> Components

After this switch, it sounded so much better. Dynamics returned the inner details, especially the atmospheric sense of space.

The micro and macro details are just insane now. The thing I keep coming back to is the sense of space the music is happening in. All the subtle details and nuance are there. I’m really thrilled with the results.

I think there was a bit of a burn-in or settling period for the inverter. Second and third days sounded much better. I think it works similarly to a class-D amp.

10 years ago, when I looked into solar, inverter power quality wasn’t great.

Hooked up to the oscilloscope. There was a chopped waveform from the wall and an almost perfect waveform under load from the DPU.

Based on what I’m hearing, the DPU has cleaner / better power than the wall.

DPU has kept the power steady at just under 121v. Over one minute, micro fluctuations from 120.81v to 120.9v.

Outlet: 123.78v to 124.23v over 1 minute. And this voltage is constantly drifting on a macro scale throughout the day.

I read 0.00v DC from the DPU.

I can power the entire system for 10 hours or more.

I’m just waiting on the solar panels to make my stereo 100% solar powered. There is a guy about an hour away that buys panels by the truckload. Just waiting for him to get some that work for me.
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Reply #159 - Yesterday at 14:47:48
 
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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 05:11:37

...Hooked up to the oscilloscope. There was a chopped waveform from the wall and an almost perfect waveform under load from the DPU...

Based on what I’m hearing, the DPU has cleaner / better power than the wall...


Nice, I've been waiting for someone to actually look at the wave form. It also sounds like like it is better without further downstream power conditioning. Curious if you're tempted to put any of it back inline now that you know the DPU is burned in?
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Reply #160 - Yesterday at 18:01:27
 
The AVR has a high idle draw ~150w. That will drain 50% of the 6kWh battery in 24 hours.

Always on load without the AVR ~78w.

Always on load with AVR + components ~210w.

I'm not motivated to try the AVR after the DPU.

I ordered a 8 socket distributor that I can try combinations of the parallel filters. Right now RS Audio CF-1 and MF-1 are being used, I enjoy what they bring.


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Reply #161 - Yesterday at 21:45:47
 
GS,

I'm very glad the BIG Ecoflow is working out for you and your system. I'm really enjoying the addition of the River 2 Max's to my system. It's interesting how in this hobby, there always seems to be a new avenue for improving ones system.

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Reply #162 - Today at 14:08:03
 
HK, The #1 reason for the BIG one is to get enough PV power. I could have gone with the Delta Pro 3 as that might have worked, with only 2600w PV input, I was concerned I wouldn't have quite enough in winter. DPU is 5600w from PV and if need be I can use it as a redundancy for the main house.

Yes, always something to mess with. My issue is even when it's sounding incredible I want to know how much better can it get! This month have a pair of Thoress 845 monoblocks arriving so more power draw and more things to mess with... It never ends.
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