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01/10/26 at 04:03:00
 
The Decware  ZROB is an interesting design that I have been planning on making a DIY version for about a year now.  I am curious how an OB design sounds and the omni flip design peaked my curiosity.  Well I just lucked into a new unused pair of Lii Song Fast F-15’s for $250 + $40 shipping.  I used scrap particle board etc. at no cost to make a prototype to see if it warrants making one of solid wood. With only 10 hours of use these speakers have some incredible potential.  The detail, clarity, highs and upper mids, 3D huge room filling soundstage excel.  Bass and lower mids are definitely lacking but the speakers are improving as they break in.  I do feel with the size of my baffles  that a sub is required,which I  have, and was expected. Size of my baffles are 24x18”, they have a 10 degree tilt on standard set up with an adjustable tilt of 38 to 42 degrees on the flipped Omni set up. The 42 degree Omni is currently preferred in my HT room using a Taboo amp with Zrock 3.  It’s been a fun project for minimal cost  to satisfy my curiosity.






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Reply #1 - 01/10/26 at 15:15:34
 
Question for any ZROB owners or listeners….I am debating whether it is worth the effort to add the Dayton tweeters and caps to my set up.  The top end on these drivers seem to be their strong point.  What do you gain by adding the tweeters?  Is it a very meaningful add?  It would double my investment😄
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Reply #2 - 01/10/26 at 15:56:09
 

Tom, nice work on the ZROBs. Your material costs were minimal, and the prototypes look fantastic. It sounds like you have plans to replace the particle board at some point, any idea what kind of wood you might use for a final design? The bottom line is that you like what you've got now, and that's exciting.

Good workmanship and creative.
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Reply #3 - 01/11/26 at 02:30:30
 
I would think that adding the tweeters would help in getting better spatial cues. They would probably image better and sound more open.

That's my guess and I'm sticking to it!
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Reply #4 - 01/12/26 at 20:44:39
 
Tony- Thanks for the kind words and encouragement.  If these are keepers after break-in and adjustments I have some 3/4 inch Brazilian Cherry floor planks that I could use to do a trim around the sides of this design.  I also have leftover walnut veneer from my Sonido speaker build I can use as well.  Or if I decide to only use it for omni I might contact Randy to see if he will make one of his standard Caintuck thick baffles with an extended base that I could cut and add hinges similar to my prototype for angle adjustment.  So many things to consider.  These ZROB-like prototypes seem to amaze  me  in omni set up and they keep getting better with break-in.

Donnie-Thanks for your words of wisdom and input.  Tweeters are probably in my future. It’s hard to stop the constant need to improve.  I always value words of advice from experienced fellow Decheads!  
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Reply #5 - 01/25/26 at 03:51:08
 
These speakers are really improving with break in hours.  Bass is just not there but a sub integrates well and makes these drivers sing.  Really nice room filling sound.  It takes some moving them around and playing with tilt angles to find the sweet spot.  I added some leftover 3/4” cherry wood ~4” trim which seems to improve the SQ as a bonus.  Ordered a couple tweeters to mount on top and 2 different cap sizes for tweeter protection.  No XO’s needed…should be fun to do some more tinkering.  




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Reply #6 - 01/30/26 at 06:11:34
 
Hey HA,

I was looking for this thread when I added the following to the General Topics section:

I see that you built a DIY ZROB, and I’m wondering if you checked out the new Lii Song Ting horn tweeters. They have a crossover that gives you three options for volume attenuation, and are made to add to the Lii full range drivers, esp the F15 and the Fast 15.  Randy has pictures on his website, and a little write up in the Speakers section of this forum.

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Reply #7 - 01/30/26 at 08:18:00
 
BH, Thanks for the input.  Yes , I have checked those Lii Super Tweeters out and they look great. Just difficult to set up with my DIY ZROB and more than I was willing to spend.   I am just now sitting and listening to my GRS RT2.0-8 Neo tweeters with the DIY ZROB’s that arrived today.  Wooooh these tweeters really bring extra life to a speaker that were already sounding very good. Just amazed what these add to my DIY ZROB. Should get better with some hours on them and the Caps.   My favorite set up is placing them on the floor next to the ZROB aligned with the Fast F15 driver, slightly toed in and set at the same angle up as the ZROB.  Once I build a better tweeter box I ‘ll post some pics.
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Reply #8 - 01/31/26 at 05:35:08
 
HA,

Those tweeters look cool, and I’ve had good luck with pleated diaphram tweeters. As a matter of fact, the speakers that I’m using for my computer setup are Martin Logan bookshelf speakers with pleated diaphram tweeters.

Also, I noticed in one of the earlier threads that you have Alan Eaton 45 monoblocks. I loved mine, and then I found an amp that he built with the power in a separate chassis. Turned out to be quieter than my monoblocks, so I sold them. Can’t go wrong either way.

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Reply #9 - 01/31/26 at 16:35:20
 
Randy, Sure enough, there is always something better to suck us into an upgrade.  Yes, I love my AE 45’s.  I just have to rotate 3 amps into two systems…decisions…decisions. Currently, I am really enjoying my Taboo breaking in my DIY ZROB’s.   I’m just continually impressed at how well the Taboo sounds with these speakers.  Just a really good pairing as are the tweeters I added.  As Donnie suggested, the tweeters add “better spatial cues. They would probably image better and sound more open.” Tried two different Jantzen Z Cap sizes (5.6uf same as the Decware ZROB and 10uf) as tweeter protection to compare SQ.   With my set up and room the 10uf Cap provided another noticeable level of improvement over the 5.6uf.  I added a pic of my rough tweeter baffle prototype. I tried moving the tweeter to several locations including on the top of the ZROB.  My preferred location is pictured. Speakers disappear with the best soundstage and detailed clarity that fills the entire room.  I plan to make a finished tweeter baffle to mirror my ZROB.  The fun continues!  Tom

Note:  For the budget conscious my total costs for second hand new drivers $300, tweeters and parts $175 is under $500.  The wood was on hand from prior projects.


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Reply #10 - 02/01/26 at 01:53:47
 
Cool, Tom. I had thought that if I build DIY ZROBs, I would permanently fix the tweeters to the main baffles, like Steve did his. But looking at what you are doing, and what Randy is doing with his tweeters, I’ll do some experimenting with different positions before deciding. Thanks for sharing.

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Reply #11 - 02/03/26 at 18:07:27
 
Finished my DIY ZROB tweeters to match the full range drivers.  I really like having the tweeters separate from the Fast F-15’s.   The flexibility of set up and orientation of the tweeters has a significant impact on the sound.  I prefer mine set up toed in on the inside between the two main drivers.  They are  really sounding good.  Glad I gave it a go!

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Reply #12 - 02/04/26 at 04:49:33
 
Cool, Tom! Thanks for the inspiration.


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Reply #13 - 02/06/26 at 17:43:00
 
Just playing around with the tweeter locations…tweeters sound very good and are additive in all locations.  By moving them around I am able to adjust the soundstage to sound more like a full room live performance or a more direct detailed sound focused  more on my sitting position.  Yet another sound variable to add to the mix yikes!


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Reply #14 - 02/07/26 at 01:27:13
 
I’m not sure I would call those “poor man’s”. Those really turned out nice, Hereafter. I was gung-ho to build a pair when Steve was developing them and I had room but I just don’t have space for them now. Cool to see someone make them and sharing your experience.
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Reply #15 - 02/07/26 at 02:34:44
 
Very nice job!
I figured that the tweeters would deliver you over the top.
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Reply #16 - 02/07/26 at 02:57:11
 
Donnie, Thanks for the kind words and Congrats on your surgery success.  My thoughts are with you and wish you a quick seamless recovery.
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Reply #17 - 02/07/26 at 08:52:22
 
That's okay Donnie, I can dislike what you play and do, and you can dislike jazz as you do, as long as you keep resting and recovering! Glad all went well, stay recuperating.
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Reply #18 - 02/07/26 at 18:17:25
 
I love the homemade ZRobs! The matching tweeters are icing on the cake.

You should be really proud of them, and I know they sound great!

Donnie, I can’t respond on the ‘What’s Spinning’ thread, so I’ll comment here. It is great news that your surgery was such a success. The period a while back, when you were inactive on this forum, was a low point, and I hate to think about the Decware forum without you.

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Reply #19 - 02/08/26 at 00:22:46
 
Geno,  I appreciate your comments👍.  I lam very happy the way they turned out.  I am not a fan at looking at those large 15” drivers all the time so I bucked the trend and did old school covers.  They blend in better and provide some protection as well. I refer to them as my “Stage Monitors” 🤣. The most surprising take away is just how good they sound with my Taboo which I bought primarily for headphone use…So much for headphones.  Just absolutely amazing speakers for south of $500!  (Second hand new Fast F-15 drivers $300, tweeters and caps etc..$160, wood leftover from other projects).
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Reply #20 - 02/28/26 at 15:28:24
 
Hearafter,

I just had a thought about your ZROB clones.
I'm wondering if a rear firing tweeter wouldn't open your soundstage up even more.

I experimented with rear firing tweeters on my last speaker build and it really added "something" to the overall soundstage.

In your case I would just get a pair of cheap soft dome tweeters that are close to the same sensitivity as your main drivers and figure out what capacitor would cross it over at around 6K. I'd look at placing them behind the speaker pointing backwards, maybe even straight up.

I'm betting that it will really make your head spin!
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Reply #21 - 02/28/26 at 16:09:09
 
Hi Donnie, Love the input…these DIY ZROB’s now with more hours on the drivers are much improved.  The sound quality  that these simple speakers provide for their price is mind bending.  Music fills the entire room like you are in the first row of a concert with such clarity and detail.   As for the tweeter suggestion I have one installed on each speaker.  It’s rated 2300-40k and I made them self contained  in their own baffle where I can adjust their orientation.  I tried two different Caps one at ~6000 and another at ~2500.  I preferred the second one on my system and room.  Adding these tweeters made such a huge improvement that I could not live without them.   Being self contained tweeters in their own mini baffles I have tried them in many positions…straight ahead on top of ZROB baffles, on the floor straight ahead and angled  to the sides, behind the baffles, directly up toward the ceiling….all sounded good but each had strengths an weaknesses.  My favorite I keep coming back to is setting them on the floor angled inward slightly facing in the direction of the other speaker.  It’s been a fun project keeping me in trouble.   Cheesy
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Reply #22 - 02/28/26 at 18:40:58
 
Donnie, You got me thinking more about rear facing the tweeters…I haven’t tried that for a while and now with the speakers are more broken in and better sounding I decided to give that another go.  Well with just sacrificing a little of detail and forwardness the soundstage had a different and very good presence. Music floated/expanded more above the center soundstage and more into the room.  A subtle more relaxed sound that had a kind of calming effect.  Excellent for softer music jazz, acoustic, light rock, folk etc but all music types sound good.   By placing these tweeters in different orientations it allows me to tweak the sound many ways and none seem to sound off or bad - like tubes just a different flavor.  Crazy to me.  Thanks for the suggestion to get me curious again!
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Reply #23 - 02/28/26 at 20:45:47
 
Hearafter,

I was more suggesting adding yet another tweeter altogether.
Yes 2 tweeters per speaker, it adds more openness.
Pointing upward seems to add something special.

Just a suggestion, though it seemed to work for me.
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Reply #24 - Yesterday at 04:39:31
 
Donnie, I was wondering if you might be referring to adding a  second tweeter.  That makes sense as well.  I have the caps so all I need are 2 tweeters.  Got me curious again…🤪
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Reply #25 - Today at 06:44:42
 
Just curious - would you use differing cap values for the two pairs of tweeters to cover the spectrum better? Or am I misunderstanding, and you would use the same values in both pairs to reinforce/double a certain segment of the spectrum?

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