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Liionidas Crossover
10/23/25 at 01:01:37
 
With cooler weather coming on I’m looking for a project for sunless evenings and rainy days. I absolutely love my F15’s but go back and forth with their high efficiency and amp hum. I sometimes run them in series with my w15s to reduce hum but there is too much overlap of frequencies and loss of f15 magic.

I have most of the parts laying around to build the liionidas crossover. Does anyone have any input on changes I would make to the design to use the F15 instead of the Crystal 10?

I’m thinking to increase the capacitance to 160uf to lower the low-pass frequency on the W15. Doing a little math it seems like R1 isn’t needed but R2 should be a little bigger. Anyone tried this before or have any thoughts?

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Re: Liionidas Crossover
Reply #1 - 10/23/25 at 10:23:49
 
It has been my experience that placing resistors as padding in the high output of a two way seems to dull the sound adding artifacts. It may work out good for you so give it a go being you got most of the parts handy.
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Re: Liionidas Crossover
Reply #2 - 10/23/25 at 13:36:49
 
I agree, John. Adding parts into a clean circuit does not usually have a good outcome. I don’t think the amp has enough power to push as intended either. The design of the Liionidas calls for 100-150 watts. Will be a good rainy day project I guess. I’ll use binding posts so I can swap or jump parts to diagnose.
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Reply #3 - Today at 16:15:29
 
Well that was a fun exercise. R1 is not needed for this circuit with the F15.  I tried 2.2, 4.3, and 6.8 ohm for R2 and all have a different effect, with no clear winner.  The bass is very natural and integrates very well between the w15 and f15.  However, just loses the magic of the amp straight to the speaker.  A reminder of the detriments of adding unnecessary parts to a circuit and the tragedy of the crossover.  I could see how someone that never experienced the F15 on its own could enjoy this crossover design implemented into the Liionidas speaker.  But the F15 alone driven by a SET amp is still superior.

For now I'm back to biamping.  I've traded the XLS1002 for the older XLS1000, preferring the 1/12 slope on the low-pass over the steeper 1/24 of the XLS1002.  Currently crossing over the W15s at 50 hz, just picking up the low dropoff point of the F15s.  For softer music the F15 is still just magical on its own.  For classical, electronic, and rock the added weight of the W15 can add some room shaking realism.
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