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Zp3 tube rolling
01/07/24 at 14:24:25
 
Hello
Just picked up a zp3 Wow amazing phonostage,anybody try tube rolling in this phono any input appreciated.
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Reply #1 - 01/07/24 at 14:44:37
 
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Reply #2 - 01/07/24 at 19:59:50
 
Lon posted some good links. Just last night I replaced a Mullard GZ32 with a Cryotone 5ar4. I had the 5ar4 in the CSP2+ and just wanted to experiment, so I swapped them and put the GZ32 in the CSP. Crazy how the same two tubes in the setup can change the sound. Just that swap gave me a more liquid, smooth  and natural sound.

Currently in my ZP3 I'm using the Cryotone 5ar4, Sovtek 12AX7LPS red tip in the input, Gold Lion ECC83 gold pin, RCA 5814a and GE OD3.

The ZP3 really responds to different tubes in every position, not always for the good. I've tried 5751's in the first two slots and found they kill dynamics. Others really like them. Lots of other factors weigh in like room, speakers, etc. I would say the most dramatic changes are the VR tube and rectifier.
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Reply #3 - 07/15/25 at 10:25:12
 
Which tubes are you thinking of rolling first? The ZP3 uses 12AX7s Speed Stars and 12AU7s, right? Have you identified which positions influence gain, noise floor, or tonal shaping the most?
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Reply #4 - Today at 10:55:53
 
Tube rolling can really enhance your listening experience. Many users have had great success experimenting with different tubes, like Tung-Sol or Mullard, to find the sound that suits them best.
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Reply #5 - Today at 10:58:09
 
Absolutely, all the Decware components respond phenomenally to tube-rolling in any of the positions. It can certainly be an exciting adventure!
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Jackson Mark is a scammer
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But. . . what he posted was not wrong. Wink
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Reply #8 - Today at 15:10:06
 
I guess that technically Jackson Mark is a bot.

I guess it help Slope Game to show up in search engines more readily and that makes them more money.

This digital world is so confusing. I come from where you got paid because you gave someone something that they needed, not from getting them to look at ads.
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Reply #9 - Today at 16:31:39
 
I am in the middle of a ZP3 war of my own.

And, I saw this post.

And, apparently, Jackson Mark is a bot.

So, I took the OP query and fed it to an AI agent.

This is the AI reply:

Here's what many ZP3 owners have reported:

NOS 12AX7s (RCA black plate, Telefunken smooth plate, Mullard, Amperex Bugle Boy)
Generally provide the biggest sonic differences.

Telefunken: very detailed, quiet, excellent imaging.

Mullard: warmer, richer midrange with fuller bass.

Amperex: open and airy, great soundstage.
RCA black plate: smooth, natural, slightly romantic presentation.

5751 substitutions
Some owners experiment with a 5751 in place of a 12AX7.
It has about 70% of the gain of a 12AX7, so the output level drops a bit.
Some listeners prefer the smoother presentation, while others miss the dynamics.

12AU7 output tube
Rolling this tube tends to make subtler changes than the 12AX7s.
Clear Top RCAs and Mullards are common favorites.

A few tips:
Give the ZP3 time. Many owners say it continues to improve over the first 100–200 hours.
Buy tested NOS tubes from reputable dealers. The ZP3 is quiet enough that noisy tubes are immediately noticeable.
Change one tube at a time. That makes it much easier to hear what each change contributes.


Interesting response.
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