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Reflecting on Sarah (Read 112752 times)
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Re: Reflecting on Sarah
Reply #300 - 08/29/25 at 11:52:18
 
It's very interesting imo to play with voltage regulation tubes on this amp.

I spent most of the past few weeks doing so and have returned to my favorite complement: three English 75C1 for the input and driver tubes. This gives me the best bass and sweetest highs and a warm midrange--just how I like it. An Amperex 90C1 gives a very open midrange in the input tube position, but there's just a bit of sterility, the warmth is gone. Of course another room, another source, other cabling, room treatments etc. will all influence how any tube will cause the amp to sound.

What a fascinating way to listen to music! This amp is the best I've ever owned.
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Reply #301 - Yesterday at 03:31:50
 
I know there is a lengthy thread on VR tubes, but does anyone have any tips for shopping for them?

I have a set of English Gammatron OB2’s and a set of German factory Telefunken 75C1’s. Both are quite dull compared to the Russian tubes Steve supplied with the amp.
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Reply #302 - Yesterday at 16:43:31
 
There are a bunch of threads on this site about what other people like, but at the end of the day you’ve got to experiment for yourself. You can stick with the Decware tubes, or you pays your money and you takes your chances. At least that’s my experience.
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Reply #303 - Yesterday at 16:52:25
 
That's been my experience as well. The "boils down to it" reality for me is that everything matters and influences how the system sounds, from power, to isolation, to cabling, room and treatments or lack of same, and yes to tubes. So a tube that sounds great in one system may not in another. for example just today MM mentions that an English made 75C1 tube sounds "dull" where as they sound fantastic to me in my amp, not dull at all.  

Suggestions for tubes can be helpful. . . twenty some years ago how someone described and waxed gleefully about Amperex input tubes helped me to decide to explore those and they have led me to invest in Holland made tubes that almost always prove to be very beneficial to the overall sound of my system. General impressions of how a tube brand or type sounds can lead to fruitful exploration. . . and sometimes dead ends. I also have found the descriptions of Brent Jesse's impressions of tube types and brands to be good interpretations to aid exploration.

https://www.audiotubes.com/

(Although not helpful with voltage regulation tubes).
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Reply #304 - Yesterday at 17:00:11
 
MM, if you are looking for a "lively" sound from a voltage regulation tube I think that Raytheon 0B2 that are not in the shielded flash on type variety could be a good contender:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233498027857?_skw=Raytheon+0B2&itmmeta=01K3XV7BXFX9PRVC...

At a lower regulation point the Tesla 0A2 variant has a very interesting influence on the sound--in my amps they have been far from "dull":

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325443469519?_skw=Tesla+11TA31&itmmeta=01K3XVJHX4CXRVH2...
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Reply #305 - Yesterday at 17:13:31
 
Thanks, guys. Lon, I’ll give that one a try.

For sure, the details matter, and the individual tubes matter. The 75C1’s that came with my Sarah sound amazing- the Telefunken 75C1 just don’t have the same clarity and presence. So obviously not the tube type, per se, just the individual tube/manufacturer. This has been my experience with NOS tubes in general.

And of course, you get what you pay for. Some of the more reputable tube sellers like Brent are going to be more reliable, but these less expensive VR tubes aren’t always available from them.
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Re: Reflecting on Sarah
Reply #306 - Yesterday at 17:48:04
 
Gotcha, yes the English made ones that Steve sells are excellent. I've had a few other type 75C1 that were not immediately as wonderful, though with a lot of hours on them they can improve.
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Reply #307 - Yesterday at 17:50:18
 
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Posted by: MM      Posted on: Today at 09:13:31

...of course, you get what you pay for. Some of the more reputable tube sellers like Brent are going to be more reliable...


If you are talking about buying tubes that are electrically reliable than yes, you are correct. You're much less likely to get a bad tube from someone like Brent, although it certainly happens.

But electrical reliability and audio quality are not well correlated in my experience. I'm fortunate to have a tube tester, so I don't have to worry about putting a "dangerous" tube into my amps, although in 30+ years of testing a lot of random tubes bought off the internet there were only a very few. Some are just dead, but you'd learn that quick enough in your amp. And some of the best testing tubes I've bought have sounded with the worst.

My Scottish Heritage typically objects to paying top dollar for "heritage" vacuum tubes, so I buy a lot of inexpensive tubes, often used, and am able to experiment with a lot of different types and makers. I've found many bargains, in addition to a lot of tubes to which I'll never listen again. But everyone has a different level of comfort and budget for buying tubes, so you need to figure out what works for you. It is possible to do better than the Decware stock tubes, but you can also spend a lot of money and not necessarily get better sound.
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