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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1050 - 09/06/25 at 19:54:06
 
Re-listening to a disc from a couple of weeks ago. And yes, after swapping more tubes my system is officially "sounding better than ever."



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Reply #1051 - 09/06/25 at 23:52:08
 
Even Japanese Sony's remastering can't make Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra's Brahms 4th sound great. But it is a great performance, and sounds good enough.



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Reply #1052 - 09/07/25 at 19:06:36
 
Back around to Beethoven's 1st Symphony. I don't normally have much good to say about so called "historically informed performance" but there are exceptions that prove every rule. Like John Eliot Gardiner and the Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique. Their lively, transparent and nuanced Beethoven wouldn't be my first, or even second choice, but it is certainly well worth hearing.



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Reply #1053 - 09/08/25 at 15:12:27
 
Baroque cello sonatas, typically with a harpsichord, were very popular. But as the piano evolved into the modern concert grand they became, shall we say, technically difficult because the piano tended to overwhelm the cello. Also, because Beethoven wrote 5 of them and I would rank them up there with his masterpieces of chamber music so they were a tough act to follow. Record companies like to pair up their "famous" cellist with an equally "famous" pianist they have under contract to record them, and many are outstanding.



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Gulda and Fournier's recording from the late 50s is one my favorites.
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Reply #1054 - 09/08/25 at 15:56:07
 
I have that 2 cd set as well, a favorite of these duet interpretations. My Dad loved to listen to it as well.

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Reply #1055 - 09/09/25 at 04:08:30
 
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...a favorite of these duet interpretations...


They are of course duets, but before Beethoven most of these sonatas were clearly meant for one solo instrument and one playing the accompaniment. Beethoven was one of the first that made them truly a duet, a conversation between (more or less) equals.

Moving on to the Dvorak Slavonic Dances. For many years, and maybe up to the present day George Szell's mid-60s recording with the Cleveland Orchestra was considered the reference. But I prefer another Hungarian, Christoph von Dohnányi leading the same orchestra.



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Both versions are outstanding, but I prefer Dohnányi's more relaxed and lyrical approach. And the London Digital recording is light-years ahead of the Columbia/CBS/Sony sound on the Szell album.


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Reply #1056 - 09/09/25 at 22:56:42
 
This is quite simply one of the greatest records ever made. YMMV. The brass sections from the Philadelphia, Cleveland and Chicago Symphonies, i.e. a bunch of the very best brass players on the planet, got together to jam on the antiphonal music of Gabrieli. As a bonus the sound, unlike most Columbia/CBS/Sony recordings from the 60s, is as spectacular as the music and the playing.



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Reply #1057 - 09/12/25 at 21:36:47
 
I haven't listened to Janacek lately, which is a major oversite. So I spun up his fascinating string quartets.



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These are modern, but not dissonant, and you can still hear the Czech lyricism through the modern harmony. And speaking of Czech, it seems a little provincial to say no one play Janacek like the Czechs, but it is pretty true. Esp. the Panocha Quartet, who are pretty great at everything they do.
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Reply #1058 - 09/13/25 at 00:36:03
 
It’s been a while since I’ve posted in the classical music thread.  For some reason I tend to go in spurts lately.  Tonight’s a vinyl night…and as I was  flipping through my collection…its impossible to pass over John Williams without playing him.  

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Reply #1059 - 09/13/25 at 02:57:58
 
Yeah. Long time, no see Dom

I do not have John Williams conducting the Saito Kenan Orchestra, but I do have his buddy, Seiji Ozawa, conducting it in his box of "German Masterworks." I was listening to Bach's b minor mass, which, like everything in the box, is majestically played and beautifully recorded.



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Reply #1060 - 09/13/25 at 20:50:36
 
Having been down with a health issue for several days, and being deprived of quality sound from the big rig, strength was gathered this morning, and the system was fired up for the first time in more than a week.  Walter Klien has now played all of Mozart's piano sonatas for me today.   I very much enjoy the way Klien played Mozart's plain and simple feel-good sonatas.

The recordings are two VoxBox 2-CD sets.  Recordings are from the late fifties and early sixties, but you'd never know it listening from the family room, one flight of stairs up from the listening room--huge, full, detailed concert grand piano sound. There is audible tape hiss in the listening room, but not one floor up!  Highly recommended recordings, and I'm certain, good for one's health too!
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Reply #1061 - 09/14/25 at 01:11:02
 
Glad you're feeling better Doug, and I'm sure Mozart's "feel good" sonatas aren't hurting.

I call the sonatas "approachable" and they have been a bit of a puzzle for me. Mozart's instrument as the piano, and his piano concertos are some of the most sublime music he (or anyone) has ever written. But for me, in spite of a memorable cameo in Spinal Tap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H818NWsBIj0

I find the sonatas are lovely, but nothing more. So when I want lovely, I listen to Klára Würtz.



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Reply #1062 - 09/14/25 at 17:39:56
 
CA, what recordings of the concertos do you like?

I'll give Klara a listen today on the sonatas.  I like the idea of lovely.
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Reply #1063 - 09/14/25 at 19:33:09
 
Hey Doug,

I'd say, for complete cycles my favorites are Uchida and Perahia. On a slightly lower step of the podium I'd put Geza Anda, who I find is always interesting but not always convincing. I started with Brendel, and I hate to say I've outgrown him, but I feel like the others have more to say. And I've never been a big fan of Sir Neville.

For incomplete sets I really like the Szell/Casadesus late concertos and the Peter Serkin middle ones.

But my absolutely, positively most favorite are the recordings by Ivan Moravec.



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Which isn't surprising because pretty much everything Moravec records is my favorite recording.

Of course that is very much JMO/YMMV and all that. I find the Mozart concertos a never ending source of joy and wonder, curious who you like?



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Reply #1064 - 09/17/25 at 18:07:20
 
Another Mozart piano concerto I really like: Clara Haskil and Ferenc Fricsay perform the dark and dramatic Concerto no. 20.



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Reply #1065 - 09/18/25 at 20:08:48
 
Leos Janacek was an interesting composer who didn't really figure it out until he was in his 60s. So this is a very interesting collection of bits and pieces from throughout his career, from his early neo-Dvoark phase to his late masterpieces that are unique and distinctive.



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Reply #1066 - 09/19/25 at 14:53:14
 
Alfred Brendel was one of the most popular and frequently recorded pianists towards the end of the 20th century and I bought a lot of his stuff as I began accumulating classical recordings. I also heard him perform live a couple of times. But his intellectual, understated performances have not aged well with me as I became more familiar with other performers. Not that there is anything wrong with Brendel, just that others speaker to me more directly. However, there are a few recordings that I find really work, like Schubert's haunting late sonata in c minor, D 959.



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Reply #1067 - 09/20/25 at 15:28:36
 
The people who track this kind of thing like to discuss whether or not the piano concertos of Sergei Prokofiev are as good (or better) than those of Mozart and Beethoven. Whatever the answer to that (unanswerable) question is, there is consensus, shared by me, that they are the most important piano concertos written in the last 200 years. The first concerto, written while he was a student, isn't as "advanced" as the later ones, but it has all the elements that make Prokofiev's music so compelling: catchy tunes, a dash of spicy dissonance, and plenty of virtuoso flourishes.



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Reply #1068 - 09/21/25 at 20:30:24
 
The Emerson String Quartet was one of the early stars of the digital era, and kept that mojo going for over 40 years. I didn't come to appreciate string quartets and until relatively late, but the Emersons played a big role in removing that huge blind (deaf?) spot in my classical music life. The Emerson's sound is what I'd call more transparent and complimentary, rather than perfectly blended like e.g. the Tokyo or Alban Berg, but that, and their scintillating technique means no detail of Beethoven's revolutionary first Razumovsky quartet goes unannunciated.



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Reply #1069 - 09/24/25 at 01:36:32
 
Michael Gielen's Daphnis et Chloé is certainly interesting. I guess I would say it sound much more "German" than is usual. And by that I mean it is more solid and clearly articulated rather than dreamy. I've listened to it a couple of times, and I'm not sure I actually like it, but I'm going to continue to listen.



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Reply #1070 - 09/24/25 at 15:12:38
 
Jeno Jando's Beethoven is on the lighter, more lyrical side and even though it is approaching 40 years old (!?!?!) I still consider it one of the best "modern" sonata cycles. And it is (or at least was) an incredible bargain as a download.



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I was enjoying Beethoven's late, great sonata no. 31, op. 110.
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Reply #1071 - 09/24/25 at 19:27:01
 
Jan Zelenka is older than J.S. Bach, but his music is more modern. Leaning forward toward "classical" rather than back toward "baroque." Technically I would call it Rococo, but that is just showing off . Regardless, he is an important composer who seems to be getting better known and more frequently recorded.



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His Missa Votiva is a later work, that sounds a lot like Haydn and this recording by Collegium 1704 is excellent in every way: lively, lyrical and transparent as well as superbly played and sung it is a great advertisement for "authentic" performance practice. But I can't help but wonder what Leonard Bernstein would have found in the piece with the same approach he had to the Haydn Masses.
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Reply #1072 - 09/25/25 at 01:08:03
 
Beethoven's Grosse Fuge is, by a wide margin, the most inscrutable major work by a major composer of which I am aware. In fact, next to inscrutable in the dictionary there could very well be the score. I had certainly heard about Die Grosse Fuge, but I had never heard it, and in fact to the best of my knowledge I had never heard any Beethoven String Quartets when, in my 20s, I bought my first set at the used record store. The first track I put on was Grosse Fuge and I listened for a couple of minutes in growing disbelief to sounds so hideous I couldn't imagine they were written by my hero, Ludwig van, and recorded by professional musicians. It turns out I was in pretty good company because pretty much everyone ever has had a similar reaction.

It took me decades before I finally warmed up to Beethoven's Late Quartets, and even longer before I made friends with the Great Fugue. It was the recording by the Cleveland Quartet that finally did it for me.



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Today I can say I listen to it, occasionally, and appreciate it. But it would be a stretch to say I like it.
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Reply #1073 - 09/25/25 at 20:20:50
 
Beethoven wrote two epic fugues at the end of his life. One was Die Grosse Fuge for sting quartet, the other was the final, finger crushing movement of the Hammerklavier Sonata.



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Reply #1074 - 09/26/25 at 15:24:46
 
Listening to Richter has sent me on a deep drive into Beethoven's Hammerklavier Sonata. Maurizio Pollini's recording is almost 50 years old now but is considered a "modern" classic, and was my first serious exposure to this masterpiece. It might not probe the emotional depths that other pianists do, but it does bring Beethoven's intricate piano writing into brilliantly sharp focus.



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Reply #1075 - 09/26/25 at 19:03:05
 
Mischa Maisky's lush and romantic recording of the Bach Cello Sonatas with Martha Argerich is pretty much the exact opposite of "historically informed." Which is why I like it so much. YMMV.



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Reply #1076 - 09/26/25 at 22:41:58
 
This is an interesting album. The music is a little bit minimalist, a little bit modern and a little bit ambient. But very evocative of snowy forests and twilight. A good choice for chilling out (get it...)



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Reply #1077 - 09/28/25 at 00:03:26
 
Before Cher, Madonna and Bono made going by only your first name a thing there was the British pianist Solomon. He was a Beethoven specialist who unfortunately suffered a series of strokes in his 50s, while he was recording the Beethoven Sonatas for EMI, and never recorded or performed again. But the recordings he made, of the last 5 sonatas, are legendary. Esp. The Hammerklavier.

He tosses off the opening movement like it is a warmup and plays the diabolical finale with such speed and precision that is hard to believe it is real. But the jewel of the performance is the slow movement. If you are inclined to believe that it is Beethoven's conversation with The Devine then Solomon's performance is convincing evidence you're on to something.  



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Reply #1078 - 09/28/25 at 04:02:57
 
Wilhelm Kempff was the German pianist in the middle of the 20th century, and his Beethoven Sonatas were considered authoritative, at least in and around Germany. And I think in this case I whole heartedly agree. They are dignified, thoughtful and understated and tend to emphasize the more playful and humorous aspect of the music, esp. in the earlier works. Some complain that the late sonatas are too understated, and I can see the point. But I find Kempff's clear eyed, unsentimental interpretations very effective, and nowhere more so than in his Hammerklavier. He doesn't have the power of Richter or the virtuoso fireworks of Pollini or the meltingly beautiful slow movement of Solomon. He plays the final fugue like it is Bach, not Liszt… or Prokofiev. But the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1079 - 09/29/25 at 01:23:40
 
Vaughan Williams 7th Symphony, Sinfonia Antartica, is kinda weird. If it sounds a little like a movie soundtrack that's because it is. Vaughan Williams used the music he wrote for the movie Scott of the Antarctic as the basis.



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I don't listen to a bunch of Vaughan Williams, but when I do it is usually Andre Previn's London Symphony cycle.
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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1080 - 09/30/25 at 03:35:44
 
Even more than the preludes Bach wrote for the Well Tempered Clavier, the 24 Preludes Op.28 by Chopin showed what was possible in just a minute or two of keyboard music. I would call them musical haikus. Pretty much everyone records them, and almost none of them are less than good. But, for me, Ivan Moravec plays them perfectly.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1081 - 09/30/25 at 21:41:54
 
I have a special relationship with Bruckner's Sixth. I didn't know Bruckner at all when it came on the radio while I was stuck in traffic back in the 80s, and I was blown away. I've been a big Bruckner fan ever since, although I'll admit the 6th is not my favorite. The first movement is great, but I find the other three are somewhat less inspired. YMMV.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1082 - 10/01/25 at 16:12:02
 
Domenico Scarlatti wrote 555 keyboard sonatas, most of which take only a couple of minutes to play. You might be tempted to call them "preludes" (see Chopin above) but in fact they have a fairly rigorous formal structure. However, like most great music, the technical elegance is well hidden from the listener and they just sound really interesting. Esp. when played by Angela Hewitt and recorded by Hyperion.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1083 - 10/02/25 at 02:09:43
 
Ralph Vaughan Williams wrote some of the most beautiful music ever committed to staff paper. Works like The Lark Ascending and Greensleeves Fantasia. But none of it is more beautiful than his Serenade to Music, with lyrics from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice.



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Reply #1084 - 10/02/25 at 19:59:56
 
More Vaughan Williams. The string quartets and Phantasy Quintet. Lovely music in that gentle, English style that is easy to recognize but hard to define.



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The Maggini Quartet's "British box" is pretty niche even in the string quartet niche. But it has a lot of really good music.
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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1085 - 10/03/25 at 16:09:19
 
Edward Elgar is not in heavy rotation, but he does get some play. His 2nd Symphony is kinda the soundtrack for Edwardian England and the high water mark of the British Empire. In fact the magnificent slow movement could be an elegy the man who gave his name to the era, Edward VII, who died during it's composition.



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It seems provincial to say the British play Elgar better than anyone, but they certainly play it more than anyone. And Sir John Barbirolli's recording has been a classic since day one.
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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1086 - 10/04/25 at 21:52:45
 
Smetana's Ma Vlast is considered the first piece of explicitly nationalistic western art music, and would be very important for that reason alone. The second movement, Vltava, aka The Moldau, is hugely popular, absolutely beautiful, and one of the first pieces I'll play for people who "don't think they like classical music." I find the other movements much more variable. YMMV.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1087 - 10/05/25 at 04:49:42
 
Ma Vlast has been played a couple of times recently in our home, with The Moldau, of course, being the part we thoroughly enjoyed.

We recently acquired the seven CDs by Pianist Jitka Chechova playing all of Smetana’s piano works.  I suppose there is nothing truly outstanding in Smetana’s piano music, however, these recordings are very well done, Chechova’s playing is top notch, and the music is always enjoyable and interesting.  Volume 4 is my favorite, but I have listened to the entire set several times and find it all delightful.

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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1088 - 10/05/25 at 22:22:17
 
Its been a while since I played any Julian Bream, which is an oversight on my part.



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Reply #1089 - 10/07/25 at 17:27:31
 
Tchaikovsky's orchestral music: symphonies, concertos and occasional pieces like the 1812 Overture,  is some of the most popular classical music ever written. His piano music not so much. But one person who was a big fan was Igor Stravinsky, and he "borrowed" a bunch of it for Le Baiser de la fée aka The Fairies Kiss, which is one of my favorite works of his. So it is interesting to hear some Stravinsky as I listen to Tchaikovsky.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1090 - 10/09/25 at 22:16:20
 
I've changed the computer and software I use to play files and I've been reveling in the improved sound. One of my favorite albums is Eternal Heaven, a collection of arias from Handel Operas. And it sound heavenly.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1091 - 10/10/25 at 21:10:42
 
The Sibelius 6th is one of my gotos when I want mellow. And Okko Kamu and the Lahti Symphony Orchestra is rapidly become my goto recording.



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Reply #1092 - 10/11/25 at 16:08:45
 
The live Los Angeles Philharmonic recording of Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra is an excellent performance and a spectacular recording. Perhaps the widest dynamic range of any recording I have. You really need to crank the volume up to hear the delicate woodwind pianissimos which means the brassy climaxes will rattle your windows and possibly annoy your neighbors.



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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1093 - Yesterday at 20:36:25
 
The "other" great cello concerto, by Edward Elgar.



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The Jacqueline Du Pre, John Barbirolli recording is 60 years old now, and no one has done it better.
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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #1094 - Today at 02:47:03
 
Been listening to a lot more classical again on my long extended weekend off.  Enjoying this album streaming through Roon.



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