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pursuitofnow
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Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
08/26/23 at 21:11:48
 
I'm considering a Koetsu rosewood cartridge and wondering if anyone has used or is using one of these cartridges with Decware amps? If so, I'd love to hear what you think.
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
Reply #1 - 08/26/23 at 21:55:32
 
Yes, I had a Koetsu Rosewood for many years. It is an absolutely fantastic cartridge. It is a little bit on the warm and forgiving side, and definitely not a budget option but I wouldn't hesitate.
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
Reply #2 - 08/26/23 at 23:23:14
 
Thanks, James. Do you prefer the Sumiko Pearwood over the Rosewood?
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
Reply #3 - 08/27/23 at 00:18:37
 
I liked the Rosewood better and it isn't close. I forget the exact details now but when it finally wore out I wasn't listening to as much vinyl and Koetsu didn't have a great situation in the US so it made more (financial) sense to trade it in rather than get it rebuilt. I got a good deal the Pearwood, and it is a nice cartridge, but I would love to have the Rosewood back.
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
Reply #4 - 09/03/23 at 21:03:53
 
I have a Koetsu Rosewood cart on an SME3009ii tonearm, on a Thorens TD124, that I have used with both the ZMA and the SE84UFO25. †

After years of research, I was really excited to get the Koetsu; but if Iím honest, Iíve been pretty underwhelmed by it. Of 4 arm/cart combos currently running in my house, itís by far the one I use the least, even though it was set up with same care as the others. The Koetsu is running in the same system with two of the other cartridges, meaning the only other differences are the tonearms (and different plinths on the two Thorens). But having tried the Koetsu on both a Kuzma 4 Point and the SME3009ii, itís pretty clear to me that real differences Iím experiencing are with carts.

I just find it softer, and lacking in energy, speed and dynamics compared to the other carts; and though I donít consider myself an analytical/ detail Uber alles listener, I donít feel it does as well with fast transients and fine detail. Knowing how beloved and well regarded Koetsus are, I recognize this may be an unpopular opinion. Just my personal experience from a few years living with the cart.

Carroll
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
Reply #5 - 09/08/23 at 16:05:48
 
Thanks for sharing honest thoughts, Carroll. What are your other cartridges and what are their characteristics?
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge?
Reply #6 - 09/08/23 at 18:23:28
 
I have heard a couple different Koetsu MC cartridges on high end systems. They are a very romantic (wam) sounding cartridge with a beautiful midrange rendering. There is definite emphasis of the midrange frequency region to my ears, definitely not analytical sounding.

Might be a good fit if your system is overly analytical, but not a cartridge I would consider for my system.

HK
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Re: Anyone use a Koetsu cartridge
Reply #7 - 09/08/23 at 21:21:55
 
In the listening room system, alongside the Koetsu, I have an Aidas Durawood Bee and an Ortofon MC Anna Diamond (recently upgraded from the Ortofon MC A90), all mounted on a pair of a Thorens TD124s. † In addition to the ZMA in my signature block, Iíve been running an SE84UFO25 in that system for about a year now.

In the second system in my home office, I have a Clearaudio Charisma on an SME3009ii-I running on a Thorens Td125, the latest in a long line of MM and MI carts.

The Aidas Durawood is fast, detailed, and lively. Itís particularly enjoyable with rock, bossa nova, etc., but maybe lacks the bass depth of some of the others. †Itís been my go to when I couldnít use the Ortofons for some reason.

The Ortofon MC A90 was just a terrific all around performeróvery fast, extremely detailed, great with subtle transients, a clear and really beautiful midrange and very coherent bass response. †Itís just an excellent cart all aroundófor all kinds of rock, female vocalists, flamenco, classical guitar, Johnny Cash, Nina Simone, blues, funk, Flaming Lips. Pretty much everything shone on it.

The Ortofon MC Anna Diamond is more expensive than the Koetsu RWS,óeven if youíre lucky enough (like me) to get a used oneóso itís less of a fair comparison. The Anna Diamond has everything the A90 had, but with this combination of both greater top end extension and much deeper bass response. If there was ever any question of whether the Decware amps could deliver truly deep, powerful bass, the Anna answered that for me. Itís really one of those ďI feel like Iíve never really heard this record beforeĒ pieces of gear. †I may get other carts for the other table, but I canít see ever wanting to replace the Anna Diamond.

The Clearaudio Charisma runs on my secondary system now, but IIRC, I had it on the 124 before I got the A90, and when I did, I pretty consistently preferred it over the Koetsu. It doesnít have quite the level of detail as the Ortofons, but itís a great all-a rounder and a really musical, fluid, engaging cartridge.

The Koetsu is a really beautiful sounding cartridge . I just donít find it as engaging as the others. Perhaps most saliently for this conversation, everything but the Anna Diamond is less expensive than the Koetsu.

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