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Bmyles
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AR Turntable
12/29/22 at 14:04:12
 
Recently ordered a SE341.6 that I will be replacing a very nice sounding Eico with. Using Klipsch La Scalas and AR turntable that I painstakingly restored.

Curious if anyone out there is using AR tables with Decware amps? Iíve had some really nice TTís/arms etc but I just keep coming back to this simple little TTÖ Iím wondering how it will sound with the new amp.

Thanks!
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Re: AR Turntable
Reply #1 - 12/29/22 at 14:12:43
 
Wow, the Decware amp will be a step up from the EICO. I was using an EICO before moving to Decware's very first amp model 25 years ago--and I was floored at the difference.

I haven't heard an AR turntable since my Dad's system had one from '62 ending in '87 when he bought a Sony turntable. I will say this: it will depend on what phono preamp you use--I found that AR to be very chameleon-like in that it sounded different with differing phono circuits in preamps or integrated amps or receivers. The Decware amp will reveal that the phono preamp delivers. . . .
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Reply #2 - 12/29/22 at 14:34:02
 
Thanks, yes Iím expecting a nice improvement for sure. Iím fully expecting to move on from the AR eventually but Iím kinda fond of it meanwhile, just interested in anyone elseís experiences.
Thanks,
I appreciate the feedback.
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Reply #3 - 12/29/22 at 14:52:56
 
I totally understand loving the AR turntable. It is so simple and reliable.

What phono preamp do you hope to use with the Decware amp?
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Reply #4 - 12/29/22 at 15:06:45
 
Iím looking for suggestions to answer the pre-amp questionÖ  Iíve barely scratched the surface yet!
Luckily Iíll have plenty of wait time to make a decision. Suggestions are welcome,
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Reply #5 - 12/29/22 at 15:13:10
 
This century I have had two phono preamps, the Decware ZP3 (bone stock) and then the PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter which I am using at the moment. Both are excellent imo. The NuWave I am using perhaps controversially: I am using its excellent internal ADC to convert the signal to DSD and sending it to my PS Audio DSD DAC. . .and from there to my Decware ZTPRE. As there is better cabling from there to the ZTPRE than I can muster so far to the ZTPRE from the analog out of the NuWave I find I prefer the sound this way.
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Reply #6 - 12/29/22 at 16:00:33
 
Phono preamp selection has a lot to do with your equipment. It's important to match a cartridge that is suited to the compliance of your tonearm as a first step to achieving good sound quality. Beyond that is the choice of using a moving magnet (higher output) or moving coil (lower output) cartridge. There are also moving iron carts from Sound Smith.

So there are lots of variables to consider.

Since you are planning eventually upgrade your turntable, I suggest reading up on turntable - cartridge - phono preamp combinations on several online sites. Vinyl Engines, Audio Asylum, etc. can provide you with some insights. You may want to look to local audio retailers who specialize in vinyl setups and do some listening.

In the interim, I would suggest looking at moderately priced phono preamps in the used market (Audiogon, U.S. Audio Mart, etc.) that will work well with your current phono cartridge (MM or MC). FWIW, I would suggest settling on your next step turntable and cartridge combination before buying a phono preamp. That way you won't be wasting your time or money.

There are a lot of great moderately priced phono preamps out there, especially on the used market. Here is a link to a thread which discusses several very good, moderately priced phono preamps on the Steve Hoffman forum:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/recommend-a-phono-stage.1098263/

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Reply #7 - 12/29/22 at 18:01:02
 
Which model AR Turntable? There were a few...some the modern ones were very different from the older.
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Reply #8 - 12/29/22 at 18:27:49
 
Itís an XA, donít remember the year off the top of my head, but I remember that it has the better motor. Iíve had it for a while
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Re: AR Turntable
Reply #9 - 01/12/23 at 19:23:10
 
I think all the early versions most likely sound close to the same, even the vinyl covered versions with cue lift. Sonic benefits kick in with the 80's versions many having LMT , MMT type arms on them.

The first XA models are just so cool looking and are a fun visual fit with vintage systems ( Scott, Fisher , HK , Heathkit etc etc ) as well as nice sounding tables but unless you modify the crap out of them ( many people do ) I think a second hand upper shelf table/arm is a upgade in performance and sound.

I have one sitting in its box waiting for a little tlc so I can sit it next to my Fisher 500c / Epi 150 combo ( my vintage system )
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