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Reply #50 - 02/10/22 at 14:34:18
 
Very nice setup John. I enjoyed the video - sounds fantastic!

From the look on your cats face, you must have been playing "Cat Scratch Fever" Smiley
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Reply #51 - 02/10/22 at 15:17:41
 
Thanks Geno. How are you feeling?
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Reply #52 - 02/10/22 at 15:29:04
 
I'm on the mend, and back at work today after being off for 4 work days and the weekend. Thanks for asking.

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Reply #53 - 02/10/22 at 15:38:24
 
Great news Geno.
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Reply #54 - 02/10/22 at 16:02:27
 
Thank you, Lon.
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Reply #55 - 02/10/22 at 18:16:38
 
Good for you Gino! Happy to hear!

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Reply #56 - 02/10/22 at 18:28:53
 
That's good news Gino!
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Reply #57 - 03/11/22 at 11:16:19
 


A stage of metamorphosis! So many ideas so little time before trees bud.

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Reply #58 - 09/27/23 at 12:56:47
 
It has been a while since the last post. Some progress has been made in the charoit. The Otari found a favorable placement on the isolation stage. The Wicked One is now being used as a sub for the Crystal 10s. The couch was replaced with a lazy boy recliner. A thousand or so vinyl, tape, and concert DVDs have been placed for culling. Organized mess Wink


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Reply #59 - 10/12/23 at 10:00:43
 
Spent a day cleaning out the audio graveyard(storage room). Ended up placing the 18hz subs from the DJ setup in the listening room. Powered with the 350 watt plate amps set 180 degrees out of phase the subs add that feel of subsonic frequencies to the music that has it. These may become a permanet fixture in the room. It is starting to look like some other prominate room in this forum Smiley

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Reply #60 - 10/15/23 at 22:57:53
 
Love the room/setup John!  Is that the Otari MX5050?
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Reply #61 - 10/16/23 at 15:02:19
 
That be it, Kamran. Going to make a couple of oak side panels to replace the stock black plastic laminated ones. The oak ones will tilt and bring the 5050 up to a workable seated height but not too much to hide the center channel HT speaker.

The latest acquisition found on a family farm that was purchased new by the family great grandfather in 1928. The granddaughter wanted it to go to someone that would appreciate and use it. The motor runs good but sound box needs rebuilt. Heck, anything this old needs a complete service overhaul to last another century. The cabinet shows its age but solid without any lamination issues. I been looking for a Victrola Orthophonic for a couple months weeding through junk. This unit is one of the most popular units ever produced by Victrola. Its is also at the apex of Victrola's history before the power amplifier proliferation. A great find with minimal outlay!
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Reply #62 - 10/17/23 at 02:39:44
 
Great find indeed!
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Reply #63 - 10/25/23 at 03:07:35
 
It has been a rough month but got a few things accomplished that have been on the backburner.
Album cases completed ✔
Diffusers lowered  ✔

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Reply #64 - 10/25/23 at 04:20:51
 

Nice room!
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Reply #65 - 03/02/24 at 12:38:41
 
Edited:
Added some horn detail pictures and did some much needed editing. Sorry for the poor read folks. I just was in a hurry to jump on the bike yesterday and excited to share my latest adventure here.


Thanks Tony! It has really progressed to my liken the last year or so! It does seem that one step forward causes some pause adding one step back.

Let me explain 🤔

I've been bitten by the Victrola bug. First with a purchase of a 1920 table model that was in shambles. Toiling with it gave a new appreciation of early american woodworking craftsmanship and horn design. Horns always attracted my interest as well as the calming effect of tooling wood ending with usually a beautiful eye pleasing product. Once the 1920 model was repaired, I ended up with a good understanding of Victrolas history and access to suppliers that had the necessary parts for the table models repair.

That led to my next purchase of a 1924 Consolette that was in a little better shape then the table model but still needed parts to get it working properly. The attraction for me was it had a orthophonic sound box with a larger horn which simply means a better frequency response of about 150 to 3000 hz! That is about it for frequency range of these old players.

The horns for the above mentioned models are basically a straight curved design that use the little knowledge known about horns back in the early 20s but showed improvement over time in the learning process.

The ultimate in Victrolas horn design before RCA bought the fledgling company in '29 was the Credenza with it's folded horn in a cabinet that when unfolded measured almost 7' in length and kept a true tapered form without sharp corners. The larger horn got the low end to just below 100hz but the high end also dropped because of cancellation created when higher frequencies traveled thru the lengthy horn. Just had to have one of these! The search began.

Interesting note is the lids on the other two Victrolas have a notice to close the lid while playing but the Credenza does not. I think it is related to the long horn and desire to get a higher frequency response by adding the little bit created from the needle, soundbox, and articulate upper horn by leaving the lid open.


Two candidates showed up in Facebook Marketplace. One was a eastern five hour drive away and the other a short western 30 minute commute. The closer one was in fair condition while the other was in good shape. I had a long chat with the guy who owned the nicer item but logistics was not in our favor. The person with the other one was not very communicative and my offer was ignored after limited messages. At this point, a decision was made to just be happy with the two in my possession even though logistics seem to become less of an issue with a new car purchase. The biggest new stumbling block was placement in our home. It became a real challenge. Even though I gave up on the purchase the feeling of incompletion lingers.

Like a stroke of lightning a message was received from marketplace by the person with the closer Credenza that stated a willingness to give it up for free. She said just come and pick it up! Blew my mind to instant mobilizing. The unit would fit in the new compact SUV. Gathering a few tools I left in a hours time. She opted for a porch pick up with no provided help. I wrongly thought that by removing the motor(electric)/platter assembly it could be placed in the back of the SUV by myself. The Consolette was manageable doing that. Well, when pulling up to the front of her house the Credenza was magnificently set at the top edge of 6 or so steps leading to the porch. It was an impressive sight and foretelling of the need for another set of hands to get it loaded. With a 4 way screwdriver, I disassembled it completely(except for the horn structure) while waiting for help to arrive.

While waiting, the lady came out and we had a good chat on the history of the Credenza that was her mothers. Indecision on her mothers part of letting it go caused the delay in response to me because it has been in the family since new. The daughter wanted to give it to someone that will take time for restoration and asked for a video when complete.

Oh, the misses claimed the Consolette for her space in the living room. There is a corner in the living room that sported a floor lamp and she pointed to that area and said "that Consolette will fit there." I was kind of shocked that she would want it in her proclaimed space but happy nonetheless. So it all worked out to fit at home. She is playing it now as I post this.


The Credenza at home in the Chariot. When recieved the motor did not work, the horn support bracket needed replaced(common on most Victrolas), air cylinders for the lid needed rebuilt, and it needed completely cleaned of coal dust. Three days of of work and $122.50 for parts and help got the Credenza up and running well.


Picture of where the sound is split at the end of the cast horn. This is where the horn wood craftsmanship begins. Constructed much like a barrel to form a exponential horn. The little thing hanging in the upper right might be a problem where the horn might have lost it's air tightness. Will have to take a closer look in the future.


Opposite view of the cast horn mouth from inside one of the split horn chambers.


View of the final split in one side before entering the final chamber as picture with the Credenza in the Chariot without a grill cloth.


Shot of the rear casting and one of the buckets of water full of coal dust after wiping cabinet interior surfaces.

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Reply #66 - 03/02/24 at 20:57:54
 
Hey John,

The Chariot is looking better than ever!!   Love the recent acquisitions..especially the Otari !!  I couldn’t help but notice your white ZP3.  Boy how I would love to complete my system with a white topped ZP3.  Hint hint hint!! 😉. It goes without saying that if you ever decide to part with that ZP3 and upgrade…please let me know.  

Speaking of tape… one of my co-workers brother used to have a tape machine that is no longer being used.  I don’t know what make it is, but I’ve been bugging him to ask his brother if he wants to sell it.  Adding a tape machine would really be the icing on the cake.  

Keep the updates and the progress coming.  

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Reply #67 - 03/05/24 at 13:48:32
 
For sure Dom, how could I not keep the updates flowing. I suffer like some of us here with less passionate local audiophile folks that appreciate quailty music.

Might have to will the ZP3 to you Grin

Once bitten with tape there is no turning back. Good luck with your acquisition.
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Reply #68 - 03/05/24 at 23:16:01
 
I would make sure that ZP3 stays in pristine condition if it was willed😁.  I know the tape machine is the like holy grail, so I’m really hoping it will materialize.  Looking forward to the future updates and acquisitions.  

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Reply #69 - 03/22/24 at 17:15:18
 
Got around to make a video for the past owner of the Credenza in action. Refinish will have to wait for a winter project.

https://youtu.be/uX-ut3gyoac?si=WYnR_vPgIVUNDcCH
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Reply #70 - 03/23/24 at 01:05:49
 
Hey John…..what a vintage sound!!  I can only imagine how much better it sounds in person.  Once you start refinishing the credenza, please keep us posted on the progress.  

What song were you playing?  I tried using Sound Hound but it it didn’t pull anything from the archives.
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Reply #71 - 03/23/24 at 09:58:08
 
I think that there won't be much sanding refinishing the Credenza.The walnut veneer is around 1/16" thickness and all the trim is solid walnut. A good set of cabinet scrapers and a little finish stripper will do.

Shot of the 10" RCA shellac disk side played in the video.
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Reply #72 - 03/23/24 at 13:49:45
 
Well done,

Looks and sounds great.

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Reply #73 - 03/23/24 at 17:24:36
 
Awesome. Thanks John.  Qobuz does have the artist, but that song didn’t pop up. Going to have to dig a bit further, and maybe check Tidal.  

Sometimes a piece of vintage equipment is best to be left in its original state…minus a clean up.  Either way the player is a great piece.
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Reply #74 - 03/24/24 at 14:44:48
 
Thanks guys.

I think that the Consolette will get a refinish first(misses already hinted for that). Depending on the outcome the Credenza which has higher value might follow.
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Reply #75 - 03/24/24 at 17:32:34
 
Loved the vid John! Such a classic look and sound!
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Reply #76 - 04/14/24 at 12:01:17
 
Just got a new addition for the Charoit. It is a new petite battery operated record player that reminds me of a women's clutch. Got it with a vinyl lot purchase. 90 albums and 2 record players for $20! I bought the last lot of 100 albums from this guy that ended up 50% trash but what can one expect for $10. The other record player is also trash but the Lloyd's one needed some work and is dear to me. It works good now after mending the platter support with a bit of solder, new foam for the battery compartment, some epoxy resetting the lid fastener, and a good cleaning. Plays 45 and 33 records with that old fashion Japanese tinny sound of portable electronics back in the 60s. My dad had a Lloyd's AM/FM radio back in the 60's and I had a stereo one with separating speakers. That one was stolen from me. This record player is a 9 out of 10 cosmetically and 10 in operation. I already ordered a new needle just to be sure.



The red dot by the volume dial is not a light. It is just painted on. Funny, I think it was done that way to conserve the battery and remind the user to turn it off. That thought did not work for me because I left in on all night killing the 4D batteries! Heck, 4 new batteries will probably cost just about what the first record lot cost!

The record is spun by the rubber wheel(shown in the photo above) in contact with dead wax. Stylus arm rests on a button switch turning off the motor when changing records. Platter support jockeys to different positions changing speeds.

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Reply #77 - 10/01/24 at 13:12:47
 
Reading a fellow poster's story in this forum about his system not sounding just right after a few updates, I went his route with the Chariot's system. That is the cleaning of mechanical connections. Some RCA male and female connectors, IEC connectors, fuse and recepticals, etc. were cleaned. Spent an hour or so the other day doing so but there is more to do when time allows. Using a 70% solution of rubbing alcohol and various applicators the picture below shows the residue lifted from the connectors. The newer the connectors, less was removed. It was the older ones that really showed the need for this exercise. I have not listened to the result yet. Want to do a complete cleaning before doing so.


I also added a Swiss Digital Fuse Box to the Decware components with rectifiers. A breakout box was devised so all three of the units could be daisy chained to one SDFB. I used the gold infused Sluggo that came with the fuse replacement device in the SE84 and #4 copper wire in the remaining fuse holders. That project can be seen here:
https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1677858218/738#738

Not sure what it did but seem to create a blacker background. I also added the Decware DHC3 power cables at the same time. This may have help with the background noise along with the new sluggo. In all fairness, the system has been running without fuses for the last couple of years but the SDFB will allow me peace of mind with overload protection.

Oh! A Snubway was also added. This device definitely lowered the noise floor and the main reason for the breakout box project. The odd spaced duplex receticals gives much needed room for a Snubway IMO.
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