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Warped Records
11/12/26 at 16:26:12
 
Folks, as I see it--there are several options to deal with a warped record:

1) Return it (if it's not flat--it does not belong in your collection)
2) Ignore and just play it (some records still sound phenomenal even with slight warping)
3) Use a record flattener
4) Get a record clamp to flatten the record on the platter (like the Michell Gyro or similar):

I am curious how other vinyl heads approach this issue?
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Reply #1 - 11/12/26 at 16:27:16
 
I use the Groovetracer record weight which seems to correct slightly warped LPs. If they are more warped. . . I don't play them.
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Reply #2 - 11/12/26 at 21:05:32
 
Kamran, I use my record clamp on every record I play. I have a few records with slight warps. As long as they will play, I don’t worry about it.

It’s been a long time since I had one severely warped, and never have used a flattener, so no idea how effective they are.

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Reply #3 - 11/12/26 at 21:24:32
 
There are also periphery clamps like the VPI or the Wayne's Audio. I haven't used on but have looked the Wayne's for a while as they are supposed to also help keep speeds stable and somehow make the sound better.
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Reply #4 - 11/12/26 at 23:27:07
 
I always use a record weight, but minor dish warps can be helped with a rubber washer and record clamp. If it’s a more significant edge warp I try to get it exchanged. In the past, I’ve tried flattening with two pieces of glass, a low temp oven and a stack of books as it cools. It’s worked, but I’ve also ruined one when I wasn’t as careful on a more significant warp. I’m sure a Vinyl Flat or similar is more controlled. Anymore, I just try to exchange if possible.
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Reply #5 - 11/13/26 at 08:07:12
 
I would just trash it or return. Never tried to flatten one. I have a weight on my VPI turntable that really would not do much for flattening a warped record. I've experienced warped records that tracked just fine but the pitch would change over the hill.
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Reply #6 - 11/13/26 at 16:13:05
 
Thx for all the responses gentlemen.  Very fascinating.  

I think for me, returning a new record that is warped makes sense if you can easily get another copy, but in cases where a record is hard to find, using a clamp, a heavy weight or a flattener are options worth pursuing.  

Also, slight warping does not seem to impact playback, so I tend to ignore.

Clamping:

In some ways, Clamping makes a lot of sense--why wouldn't you want to ensure the record is dead flat, so it tracks better?  However, the other consideration (at least in my case) is that my preferred mat (Stack Audio's Serene) is not compatible with clamps.  If I need to clamp, I need to switch to a non-sprung mat. The other consideration is the time it takes to clamp and un-clamp.  If you are listening to a bunch of 45's, that get's tiring and disturbs the flow.

Geno what clamp are you using?
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Reply #7 - 11/13/26 at 21:08:40
 
Kamran, I probably could have articulated better. I usually use a record weight to couple the record to the platter, for normal use. If I get a record that is significantly edge warped, it goes back for an exchange. If it is dish warped, or a very minor edge warp, I’ll use a clamp. I use a thin, about 1.5mm thick neoprene washer. Home Depot has a 5/8 x 2 inch neoprene washer (5/8 x 1 inch would work best if you can find it, but I cut the outer edge to about 1” diameter. 5/8” will fit over the spindle). I got a Mitchell clamp knockoff on eBay that works well. You’d put the washer on the platter, under the record and the clamp can push down around it to flatten the warp. I’d love to have one of those VPI periphery rings, but then I think of all the records I could buy instead.
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Reply #8 - Yesterday at 01:03:16
 
I’d love to have one of those VPI periphery rings, but then I think of all the records I could buy instead.

Same here. Not sure how much it would really improve things. But if you are serious, contact Wayne at Wayne's audio, it seemed like the pricing was a little soft if you reach out.
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Reply #9 - Yesterday at 19:01:31
 
Vijay, I actually got the Michell Clamp (it was listed for $80 so not sure if it's the real deal) but two things happened.

1) I realized after some trial and error that I couldn't use it with my stack audio mat.

2) I then lost the plastic washer (looks they also at some point had a felt version of the same washer) behind my rack and that damn thing is so small that I will have to disconnect a lot of equipment to get back there and hunt for it using a magnifying glass.

One of these days, I will either get off my lazy bum and look for it or buy a replacement. I am actually surprised nobody has yet mentioned the SOTA Reflex clamp, which apparently has rave reviews.  I've been eying that recently.

I hear what you say about investing money in records vs. tools. As Vinyl is becoming more of a focus since this summer, I am having the same predicament now.

JHC: I should add that Wayne's Audio periphery clamp on to my original options list.  Thx--that was not on my radar.  That said, it looks a bit cumbersome to use and  some of my records have minor warps at best.
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Reply #10 - Yesterday at 21:24:50
 
Kamran - With that perfect intro here it goes. I have a SOTA Reflex clamp on a SOTA Star Sapphire Vacuum table and out of all the tables and clamps I have had over the years, the SOTA is an end game for me. Minor warps are not an issue but if I bought a record that had a major warp it would be going back. As a stand alone clamp it is very well built and I would give it a try and if doesn't make a huge difference return it allowed time. Happy listening and happy weekend, Chris.
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Reply #11 - Yesterday at 22:43:27
 
I didn’t realize you already had the Mitchell clamp. Sorry for my pedantic explanation then! The SOTA Reflex Clamp looks slick. It wasn’t on my radar years ago, when I was looking. Looks like a great solution.

Maybe off topic, but I’m curious how you like the Serene Mat and if you notice improvement. Are you using the stabilizer/weight as well? My table has a Delrin platter and with the Mofi Super Heavyweight, does pretty well with vibration control. They recommend not using a mat with this setup, but I’m always curious. The Auva EQ’s have been working well for me, so I’d imagine their turntable products are very well engineered, as well.
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Reply #12 - Today at 00:33:55
 
Chris, thx for the feedback on the SOTA Clamp! I think I’m going to eventually go for it and use it with my stock mat for those few records that need a little help.

Vijay: No worries at all. I was also not initially clear that I actually owned one. Yes 👍 have both the stabilizer and mat combo from Stack. I really like it. For the first few months I tried the stock mat that came with my TT and was afraid to use the SA mat thinking it might negatively impact the VTA as it’s considerably thicker (not confident enough to fiddle around with the VTA myself). However, curiosity got the better of me and I started using it a month ago and I haven’t looked back. I also did A/B/A test recently and came out hugely preferring the SA mat over stock.

I owe you guys a full story on my TT and Cart upgrade—will post separately on this forum.

Cheers everyone!

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Reply #13 - Today at 01:15:07
 
The gymnastics you all go through to listen to hiss and clicks!

Sorry I am not a believer in the church of vinyl.
Excommunicate me, shun me, burn me at the stake!!
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Reply #14 - Today at 02:31:34
 
LOL Donnie— perish the thought!

I still love my digital, though it has taken a backseat for the past couple of months while I explore a new frontier. Also, with proper care and cleaning those pops and crackles are largely negated.
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Reply #15 - Today at 08:34:06
 
LiquidBlue wrote on Yesterday at 22:43:27:
I didn’t realize you already had the Mitchell clamp. Sorry for my pedantic explanation then! The SOTA Reflex Clamp looks slick. It wasn’t on my radar years ago, when I was looking. Looks like a great solution.

Maybe off topic, but I’m curious how you like the Serene Mat and if you notice improvement. Are you using the stabilizer/weight as well? My table has a Delrin platter and with the Mofi Super Heavyweight, does pretty well with vibration control. They recommend not using a mat with this setup, but I’m always curious. The Auva EQ’s have been working well for me, so I’d imagine their turntable products are very well engineered, as well.

I am using the Delrin platter from Groovetracer, and the Groovetracer weight as well, without a mat. I tried it with the Herbie's Audio mat. . . and prefer it without. Handles most any record except truly warped ones.
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Reply #16 - Today at 18:23:57
 
Kamran, I think you jinxed me on this warped record thread…

One I got a few days ago, is warped worse than any record I’ve seen in a while. It sits better on one side than the other, but still plays ok on both sides and sounds fine, so I might just keep it - purchased on Discogs.

Vinyl play, with a good combo of TT, cart and phono pre, is my favorite part of this hobby. Good digital is great too, but the sound can be more real with records. IMHOANDWTHMYSTUP Cool
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