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Re: Dynagrid Jr. Reviews and Impressions
Reply #50 - 02/15/26 at 16:42:49
 
I think everything is fully broken in and situated and I've stopped "tweaking" the JR. and surroundings. . . and just really enjoying the improvements.

I still miss a bit the sort of "darkness at the edge of town" that my favorite rectifier with its black carbon sprayed interior brings in harmony with the black carbon sprayed 300B-Z tubes I use. . . . I was very surprised to discover that I am getting a tax refund this year, and so I ordered 845 Linlai tubes with the black carbon lining--they seem the same internally as the tube Steve provides, but with the lining--could be just the ticket for me. Should arrive in ten days or so.

In the meantime I'm happy to have JR. in operation producing some excellent sound.
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Reply #51 - 02/15/26 at 21:45:57
 
Does anyone know how much wattage the Dynagrid Jr. consumes?
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Re: Dynagrid Jr. Reviews and Impressions
Reply #52 - 02/15/26 at 22:52:05
 
The product page says "consumption is 35 to 50 watts."

And the manual says this:

SPECIFICATION
DynaGrid Jr. has a maximum voltage of 500 volts DC. Most components are well below that, but if you have a fairly high power amplifier using an industrial version of a 5U4G you should research what the B+ voltage is and see that it is below 500 volts.

DynaGrid Jr. has a maximum current rating of 300 mA, higher than a 5U4G rectifier tube.

DynaGrid Jr. requires 120V power outlet and grounded power cord. The total power draw from the outlet is between 35 and 50 watts.
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Reply #53 - 02/16/26 at 02:09:03
 
Thank you Lon. I expected it to be a lot higher for some reason.
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Reply #54 - 02/16/26 at 10:56:16
 
One thing I have noticed now that the JR. has settled in and is sounding so good is that I notice tiny adjustments with the ZROCK3 to have an impact. Especially the gain--gain structure is everything in my system, and just a tiny increase or decrease to the gain from the ZROCK3 has a real significance in the overall sonic presentation.

The ZROCK3 is certainly a very useful refinement to the ZROCK technology, and I find Steve's choice of capacitors to be a very good one for this component.
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Reply #55 - 02/16/26 at 16:06:00
 
Lon, it will be interesting to hear whether or not your new Linlai tubes make any sonic difference. Please keep us posted.
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Reply #56 - 02/17/26 at 06:14:34
 
https://www.hifi-amplifiers.com/en/full-music-electronic-tube-valve-c-142/fullmu...


This may be an interesting choice???? Pricey so it's a gamble but if the tube is really tweaked to sound like a 300b ?? possibly could provide a different texture in Dynagrid .
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Reply #57 - 02/17/26 at 08:04:43
 
Whoa! Pricey is right. I'm not in that zone of spending and won't be likely for a while.

I still feel what I lack is the sound that the carbon lining may bring. I'm probably ten days or so away from receiving the tubes I ordered.
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Reply #58 - Today at 13:09:29
 
Well, I have been rolling driver tubes in the SEWE300B and am back to the French 7308 type which was a bit "lean sounding" with other rectifiers and are sounding just about right now with the Jr. Fantastic tubes and glad to be using them again--though the RCA Holland 7308 I have been using for a while are also an excellent choice, a bit warmer and less dynamic.

My 845-T2 Linlai tubes are due to arrive on Monday. I'm looking forward to hearing what these tubes that are very much like the stock tube Steve sent but with a black carbon lining may bring to the sound.
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Reply #59 - Today at 13:39:05
 
Thanks for sharing your experiences as the DG jr breaks in and blends into your existing system, Lon. You share so much about your listening experience that I feel like I can hear what you’re hearing, and understand how it has impacted the music you play.

Similarly, I’d love to hear from other Dynagrid owners. Everyone else has been silent.
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Reply #60 - Today at 13:44:23
 
Glad that you enjoy and can understand my impressions. I TOO would love to hear from other JR. owners.
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Reply #61 - Today at 16:06:04
 
I've been using my DGR nearly every day since I received it. In my system I can't say that it changed the sound in terms of warmth or bass or some of the other nuanced tonal shifts that tube rolling can offer. Instead, it has brought more depth, texture, presence, and richness. My music seems more enveloping. One perhaps helpful (perhaps not) comparison would be to a cup of weak or strong tea. I thought my system sounded great before, but now, its just a bit stronger and more flavorful (without being bitter).

I am currently listening to "Citadel" by Muslimgauze, the soundstage is all around and the instrumentation is rich and extremely spatial. I listen to a lot of experimental/drone/ambient and the textures on string instruments and distortion is noteworthy.

The DGR is a keeper. I am now working to get a new 5U4 power supply for my preamp to see how it works one step up in the chain. If it gives the same results I will be able shift back to monoblock UFOs. If not, I will be ordering another DGR.
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Reply #62 - Today at 16:33:57
 
Thanks for weighing in! I think I have had basically similar results. I did lose a bit of warmth in comparison to my favorite rectifier, which I think leads me to conclude that those colorations are just that. I do see improved soundstage dimensions, not a lot, but some, which would probably be more evident still if my system were more positioned to bring out the best in sound-staging, but it's not--were I to do so I would have ergonomic problems in the room my wife would not tolerate, and I would also lose bass response which I cannot afford to do. I would also say I notice an increase in "dynamic awareness" with the JR. and in a positive way that I enjoy.

The JR. is a keeper here as well. And as my main system only has one rectifier, there's nowhere else to try it. I could consider adding an SDFB, but I'm not sure that would be worth the expense and the turn-on timing difference that would entail for my JR. and amp. I'll soon find out if tube-rolling an 845 will make a difference in the direction I suspect. . . looking forward to that.
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Reply #63 - Today at 17:08:00
 
I'm almost certain my room is not ideal for soundstage either, and my speaker placement could use some tweaking, but I also have some limitations on that front. I think that is why the soundstage dimensions seemed noteworthy.

I'll also note that the rectifier that came out of my UFO was a Sophia Aqua III 274B, which I felt was detailed and tonally neutral. Maybe that's why there hasn't been much tonal shift.

If I am honest, Lon, I hope the new tubes don't bring much sonic difference. It's a can of worm I would prefer not to open as 845 tubes can get expensive very quickly. But I commend your bravery.
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Reply #64 - Today at 17:15:07
 
Thanks for that commendation. Smiley I. only have been driven to this by the fact that I so enjoy the texture and tone of the 300B and rectifier tubes I had which had the black carbon spray lining within them. In building my best tube complements they were always there and a common denominator, and I find a bit of the characteristic I seem to really admire in them to be missing when I removed the rectifier that features that lining. So I had this nagging suspicion that an 845 with that lining could bridge that gap, and I found a matched trio at a really good price to try out, and if that proves to be a step up I'll have at least a backup. We'll see! It was a cheap enough venture--like you I don't want to be lusting after really expensive 845s.

I just have heard the JR. "change" with so many little tweaks that I think another tube will yield changes as well. We'll see!
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Reply #65 - Today at 20:07:24
 
I was actually sort of shocked that Steve suggested (as I recall anyway) there would be little sound change with different 845s. I too can't quite figure out how the Dynagrid sound would not change with different tubes. Though I am prepared to be surprised to have that corroborated in other very resolving system/rooms, in my system, so tuned up for refined resolution, speeds and balances of balances... literally everything, down to solder, wire gauge and materials, resistors... changing things between good parts, tubes, etc, pretty much always presents a meaningful choice.

I have used a number of 845s in one of my amps, and different, but in that setting, 845s most definitely make substantive differences, each tube obviously itself and having different sonic natures. It has been a long time since that amp has been in, having to track down some intermittent static in one channel, and having other good choices that reduce the priority. So this is sonic memory... but it came with carbon lined 845s labelled "Old Chen," guessing Psvane, and the tube Linlai later expanded on. Finding them quite nice in general, they tended a little slow, dark and thick lower down. So I ordered some Linlai versions of the tube that were clear glass as an experiment, thinking that might open and speed things up, especially mids down, where, all else balanced, extra energy in the slower/lower waves can be more obvious than mids up.

Well they messed up the order, and I got newer Linlais with carbon lining, which sounded like the others I had, very similar spectral and speed tendencies, though with a more powerful/bigger sound throughout. I could get pretty beautiful sound from them with gain and tube adjustments. But finally, in this setting, the black lining seeming to sort of amplify/intensify most things, including lower colorations and associated slowing, I was always trying to work around that... So I looked for tubes with more flexibility.

I have not used the clear version of this tube, but found the improved speed, inner clarity and space of Linlai DGs to solve things pretty nicely for me. They are in a different "class" though, with hanging filaments and other attempts at improved sound balances. And I did hear more refined space, complexity of fine detail, lower end immediacy, and I think a similar spectral balance, but less smearing, especially lower down.

Anyway, since the several carbon lined tubes I have tried shared a tendency for coloring the sound bigger with nice detail, while tending darker and slower below... as we have found, tubes that are good here, but a little intense, either in balancing toward bass, or overall, tend to work better for you Lon. So I am agreeing with your thoughts, imagining those black coated tubes could possibly help with your hopes. They were pretty long on burnin as I recall, but I look forward to what you hear.
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Reply #66 - Today at 22:06:46
 
Thanks for reporting that Will. I've been thinking of you a lot but remiss in actually messaging you. In general I DO like to slow and darken things with Decware components, so I'm glad to read that the tubes I should have Monday will probably meet my sonic expectations. And they were sold to me as "mild demos" so they should not take QUITE as long to season in.

Next week should have some fun elements to listening sessions! And yes, like you I was surprised to hear from Steve that tube-rolling the JR. had little effect. .. but as the JR. seems to respond to the isolation and power changes I've made I think to an extent the JR. will exhibit tube characteristics..
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