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12/09/25 at 16:39:02
 
I struggled to find the right place for this post so up front, forgive me. It could probably be in a better place.

A year and a half ago I was about to pull the trigger on a Puritan PSM156. I didn't have a hum issue at that time but a friend had one, I demo'd his, and liked what it did for my system.

At that same time I began discussing off-grid power sources with another forum member.  That member recommended using one of these battery backup systems for our audio power.  Charge it when not listening, and run your system off the battery back-up when listening.  Clean, pure AC sine wave power.

So I was on the fence...  try a battery back-up or PSM156.  I knew I was moving soon and decided to punt the decision until after the move.  During the move I took possession of my SEWE300b and have been somewhat resentful of the hum ever since. I tried taking it to a friend's power source - same hum.  Tried taking it to my employer's power source - same hum.  I tried a number of different power conditioners, power filters, etc.  Packed away I had several power things - audio specific power strips, isolation transformers; most recently the Snubstation Zero and Mainstream from Verifi.  Same hum issue.

In my move, I went from a home in the city to a remote parcel of woods on an island that has a significant threat of wildfire in the summers.  Power is semi-reliable and our utility does a good job of restoring it when goes out but still for piece of mind I finally purchased a battery back-up. The main purpose is having power during storms, fires, or what-have-you.  

I chose an Ecoflow Delta 3 on a black friday sale.  Right out of the box I charged it for the first time and then plugged in my system. The Snubstation is gone, the Mainstream is gone, and my SEWE300b is silent from the listening chair.  The background is blacker than I've ever heard, the bass is even tighter and punchier than I ever thought it could be, and there is a micro-detail that I don't really have the words to explain.

A couple of points to this post -> TL:DR
1) I'm really digging this battery back-up as a new addition to my home.  My system sounds better than ever, and I have an added sense of security for my home power (also able to recharge with solar).
2) SEWE300b owners: clean power is the solution to the hum.
3) I owe Steve an apology because I have been belly-aching about the Sarah hum for almost a year now and he has said all along that it was the power source. I tried a number of things but not the right things apparently.  Also, all those Sarah owners that didn't have a hum issue - now I believe you.
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Re: Power Conditioning
Reply #1 - 12/09/25 at 17:46:33
 
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...I chose an Ecoflow Delta 3 on a black friday sale.  Right out of the box I charged it for the first time and then plugged in my system. The Snubstation is gone, the Mainstream is gone, and my SEWE300b is silent from the listening chair.  The background is blacker than I've ever heard, the bass is even tighter and punchier than I ever thought it could be, and there is a micro-detail that I don't really have the words to explain...


Firstly, that is great news that you fixed the hum issue. Hum is a trigger for me, so I totally understand the celebration.

Now, to off grid power sources. My experience is mostly using uninterruptable power supplies (UPS) i.e. battery backups for computers and networking. And I know the power supplied by them is extremely dirty. The issue is the inverter (the gizmo that changes DC battery power to AC, the inverse of a rectifier) is essentially a switch that produces an on/off square wave rather than a smooth sine wave. The output can be smoothed to be more sine-like using capacitors but that has other undesirable side effects. So my takeaway has always been: avoid inverted battery power for my stereo.

I also live in an area where wildfires can cause (extended) power outages, and have been considering some kind of solar/battery system for a while, mostly to keep the fridge running. But I'm always looking for an upgrade to my system and power is an obvious place to look. I've been looking for an explanation of how a "pure sine wave" inverter is different from a regular one, and pretty much the only thing I can find is "pure sine wave" is just a better filter on the inverter. Which doesn't seem that great, but your story is intriguing. I'm curious if anyone else has a story?
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Reply #2 - 12/09/25 at 17:56:28
 
Glad you found a solution and listen now without the worry about hum.
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Reply #3 - 12/09/25 at 20:53:44
 
I lived off grid for ±28 years in the NC mountains. After no electricity for several years, we made a little hydro system with a large battery bank and inverter, that system slowly shifting as tech and climate changes evolved, both changing notably over that time. The annual rainfall remained about the same, ±60 inches a year, but as things changed, it became less and less regular. For years, in the hotter times of summer, about once a week it would rain, seemingly in part from evaporative localized cloud development. But gradually, weather patterns shifted, and there were longer and longer dry spells between heavier downpours. The ground dryer, and rains bigger, unable to take it in, less and less was retained, and more and more ran off down stream. Though still 60 inches of rain per year, my lowest gallon/minute average in high summer went from 90 gpm in ’83, to about 20 gpm over the about 24 years we used that system.

Luckily tech changed also, though in this case for the better. Relative to inverters, I went from a pretty good (for the time) “modified sine wave” that mimicked a sine wave by overlaying a lot of squares to look sort of like a sine wave, but still with a lot of noisy corners on those square’s edges. I used an isolation transformer with it for the stereo, and this helped, but the inverter, in a small building well away from the house, buzzed a lot, and the iso transformer buzzed a lot too, presumably from the noisy power it received, so I had to make a little house for it outside also. Not surprisingly, my then NAD amp transformers buzzed notably too, and you could hear the buzz without music from the ADS L1090, 90 db speakers. Still, considering this was the best I could do, I got used to it, loving the music while watching for better tech.

Next was a Trace modified sine wave inverter that was supposed to be much closer to true sine, and it was notably less noisy than the earlier behemoth. But still buzzing transformers, in the inverter, iso transformer, and the amp.

Getting closer, and over noise, I found an Exceltech (sp) “true sine wave” inverter, designed for sensitive equipment, especially medical, and supposedly steady and quiet. And though getting this close to a true sine was really expensive then, they made smaller units, and I got one just for the audio circuit. The best yet by far, no more Iso Transformer, but still noisy transformers in particular.

In the later 90s, after a lot of back and neck damage from being rear-ended by a tractor trailer at high speed, and us nearly stopped, I needed a pugmill to wedge clay for me in our pottery, and an electric wheel I could stand up at. The pugmill needed a lot of power (for a small off-grid system anyway). So I got a “close to” state of the art, larger Trace “pure sine wave” inverter. Designed to be tied to the grid, its power was said to be as, or more, reliable and good quality than the grid, making interchangeability possible. The relatively low measuring noise was acceptable by the grid standards, but I don’t think the noise nice audio can pick up and convey was the criteria. It was less noisy than the previous setups, but I guessed part of that was that the whole system was making less noise, including reduced, but not gone and EMF and RFI from the Inverter. I still had amp transformer hum and minor noise from the speakers… more than I have now, but finally getting pretty good (though I bet it would drive me nuts with my 97-98 db speakers now).

With MMs experience, it looks like this tech has progressively continued to improve. But I also know there are a lot of inverters and small backup systems out there, and there will be those that are less noisy than others, so research makes sense to me. And as I pointed to, seems to me it is not necessarily just the inverter in a lot of cases, but how it, and the battery are fed. Also, from researching and seriously upgrading my RV solar system recently, I gather it is still true that “true” or “pure” sine wave inverters are “flexible” relative to noise… So though I don’t have good answers, I feel confident that for very low noise audio, checking pretty carefully into various inverter based backup setups is a good idea. Aside from audio folks that maybe MM can point us to??? off grid Hamm radio operators seem to be pretty good “noise sniffers.”

Yours is an exciting story for me MM! Glad you broke through!
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Reply #4 - 12/09/25 at 22:17:27
 
I can't speak to the quality of the sine wave but I am guessing that technology has come a long way over time. I was off-grid, entirely on solar, from 2015-2020, using an Outback inverter. It was totally silent, but I didn't run a tube amp or high-efficiency speakers during those years.

Adamaley is the forum member that turned me on to this and I hope will chime in.  I'll let that story be told directly, but recall starting with a Bluetti back-up that was really good and then getting an Ecoflow that was even better.

Full disclosure, I'm still curious about the PSM156. I never had access to the PSM156 after moving or receiving the SEWE300b. There are surely multiple ways to get to clean power.  This is just the one that worked for me.  I only know what I know, my system, my room, my utility company's electricity, etc.
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Reply #5 - 12/10/25 at 03:05:27
 
Maybe everyone is looking at the AC noise problem incorrectly.

Perhaps taking DC from a battery and then converting it to AC to then send it to the amplifier to be converted back to DC is adding way too many steps to the process?

My feeble knowledge of electronics will probably be displayed here, but why couldn't a amplifier be designed to take and use the DC power directly from a battery?
Something like a Tesla Powerwall could be stepped down to the correct rail voltages and ta-da you should have a silent power source.

Am I wrong in my understanding of such things? It sure wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about things I didn't understand.

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Reply #6 - 12/10/25 at 03:31:57
 
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...My feeble knowledge of electronics will probably be displayed here, but why couldn't a amplifier be designed to take and use the DC power directly from a battery?


The short answer is because transformers only work on AC. For a tube amp that needs hundreds of volts DC for the tube plates and 6ish volts for the heaters it is much much easier to use a transformer to step up or down the voltage you need rather than trying to find a 300 volt battery. For a solid state amp I think it is probably doable, I've seen battery powered phono amps, and maybe should be your next DIY?

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Reply #7 - 12/10/25 at 05:10:19
 
One of the IanCanada DAC kits have been on my short list for DIY projects for some time. They do just that, Donnie- run on DC cells to skirt the power supply AC to DC conversion.

Tube heaters are no problem if they are dc heated at ~6v but getting 300-400v for plates at the correct mah would be above my computing ability. Not to mention, I’m trying to get less projects and less stuff. I sure would like to hear the end result though.  [smiley=peanuts21.gif]
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Reply #8 - 12/10/25 at 12:01:34
 
Could you do me a favor? Would you update your original post, too? In that post, you insinuated that I was being dishonest about the amount of hum your amp produced when I owned it.

The truth is, I spent the two years waiting for my Sarah ensuring my source components, power, and cabling were squared away. Then, when I received Sarah #6, I posted on this forum that she was dead silent among other deservedly positive comments.

As it stands, people reading these forum posts may be left with an unfair impression of Decware products, the SEWE300b Sarah amp, and customers like me.

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Reply #9 - 12/10/25 at 12:21:31
 
Good points Michael.
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Reply #10 - 12/10/25 at 13:12:03
 
Hi, Michael. What original post are you referring to? Is your comment directed at me? If so, you have me confused with someone else. I purchased my amp new, directly from Decware. Not second hand. If I somehow insinuated something about you it was unintentional. I don’t recall ever talking with or about you.

Likewise, I waited almost three years and had, what I thought, was all of my other components extensively in order. This power conditioning is the first thing that made a significant difference in the hum I experienced. I don’t think that any other customer would have a significantly different experience.

Help me understand what the good points are, Lon.
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Reply #11 - 12/10/25 at 13:49:53
 
I may be mistaken but there was a series of posts, not on this thread but earlier posts, where the hum in the SEWE300B seemed to be causing angry frustration and was deemed unavoidable after all kinds of attempts to eradicate it. . . and for those of us who have experienced minimal hum that has been able to be reduced this seemed a false representation of the SEWE300B, and might scare off potential interest.

I'm not sure it was your posts in another thread or someone else's. . . and the search function is not helping me find it. But it did seem an unfair presentation of the amplifier to me. (I know that The Other Lon has expressed similar frustrations with the hum). I thought Michael was making a good point or two along these lines.
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Reply #12 - 12/10/25 at 15:56:58
 

Ghostship, you are thinking of someone else.

Lon, I don't think it's unfair to discuss the hum in the SEWE300B amp. A recent Forum poll (https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1757967800) found that 8 out of 10 owners reported hum, with 4 of those reporting it as "very noticeable."

If one is sensitive to amplifier hum, the Decware 300B's inherent hum will be an issue.  There are other fine Decware amps that sound as good without this same level of hum. I'm of the opinion they would be a better choice for the hum-sensitive listener.

When I bought my Decware 300B, this topic was not fully aired. Finally, I think it is getting some sunlight. As a result, there may be after-market products, like the one that MM has found and reported, that help manage amplifier hum. That is very good news.
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Reply #13 - 12/10/25 at 17:59:55
 
I also don't think it's unfair to discuss hum. But the discussion I remember was really damning of the amp for hum, and dismissive of owning one. . . hum I've never experienced in any intrusive way except when my power regeneration was not working properly, or when I was using a particular tube that had more than a year on it. . . I retired that tube pair and then went back to it weeks later. . . and the hum was gone.

So . . . the 300B tube itself is going to be a noisier tube than most, but some are better in this regard than others, feeding it clean power and it does not have to be a problem (my experience tells me so). And tastes may differ, but for some like me this is the best amp I've ever heard. PERIOD. In my 25 plus years of Decware experience there are not better sounding Decware amps.

Anyway, I'll bow out of the discussion as if hum were to be an issue in my system it is mitigated to the point that I don't think of it at all, and I have never been happier with the sound of an amp. And it has just the right amount of power for me when operating in about the medium point of its power potential.
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Reply #14 - 12/11/25 at 01:56:05
 
I intended this thread to be a beneficial relay of information about running a system off a DC battery source. Welcome to the internet.

My experience tells me that there are three qualifications for the hum being an issue.
1) dirty power
2) low noise floor
3) high sensitivity speakers

I haven’t wrapped my head around power. Why the conditioners I tried in the past made little difference and why this DC source is better, I have no idea. Just my experience.

If you have a lot of background noise, you may not notice any hum. This kind of noise comes in many forms that you may not realize. One has to figure that out for themselves. If your room is resting at 30db you will notice hum a lot more than someone whose room rests at 50db (and probably listen to your stereo at a lower volume, too).

Higher efficiency speakers make a huge difference. A 100db efficiency speaker will glare any noise significantly more than a 92db speaker.

Tubes? Meh. Sure, some are quieter than others but only a couple db different. You’re not going to gain 10db there.

I think these are good things to know. Thank you.
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Reply #15 - 12/11/25 at 02:22:25
 
You are absolutely right about there being many factors for hum. I live in the most quiet neighborhood i ever have with few neighbors, pretty clean power untreated, and my system has a low noise floor. If the amp had a lot of hum I should hear it, even with HR-1s. But I don't. I do hear significant noise with some tubes, more than others for sure, but still hum is not audible at the listening seat. I just don't think the amps are big hummers, and I hate that there's a reputation that is building along those lines. But what is is what is. Have a great holiday and so glad you have the hum handled, and thanks for mentioning the battery unit.
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Reply #16 - 12/11/25 at 02:33:28
 
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...My experience tells me that there are three qualifications for the hum being an issue.

1) dirty power
2) low noise floor
3) high sensitivity speakers


I don't claim expertise in the subject, but I think there are other potential power related issues besides "dirty" aka a noisy sine wave that can cause hum. DC offset on the AC is a well known problem and grounding issues can also cause hum. I think those could also (in theory) be improved by replacing utility power with dedicated battery power for your system. In addition there are also environmental aspects like EM/RF noise that are independent of your power. FWIW I had two pairs of 300B tubes for my non-Decware 300B amp. One pair was very quiet, the other had significant hum. Maybe not 10 dB, probably close.

IMO a big part of the frustration with hum is that it is so unpredictable. Certainly high sensitivity speakers and a quiet room will magnify any issue that exists. But if an amp is quiet on Steve's bench but hums in your house that is a really unfortunate situation. Esp. since the only way to know if your Sarah is going to have a problem is to wait years for delivery and then plug it in. Regardless, I think your experience could be very helpful to others.
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Reply #17 - 12/11/25 at 03:28:23
 
I've heard nothing but great reviews about AGY's power filters.
https://www.angela-gilbert.com/ac-power-line-filters

I just know that their solid state amps are silent.
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Reply #18 - 12/11/25 at 14:54:16
 
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1) I'm really digging this battery back-up as a new addition to my home.  My system sounds better than ever, and I have an added sense of security for my home power (also able to recharge with solar).


Congratulations! I’m so happy that you were able to figure this out.

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Also, all those Sarah owners that didn't have a hum issue - now I believe you.


Wait…maybe I’m misreading this, but this seems to state that you didn’t believe that we had a different experience until you were able to re-create the same experience for yourself?  I am sure that is not what you meant, because that is decidedly not a good look for the no-hum camp.

Speaking of Power Conditioning—did anyone notice that GR Research now has the rights to manufacture and sell the UberBuss? I thought that was pretty exciting news.  I remember my obsession with it given so many amazing reviews, but ended up with a MajikBuss for Sarah and a PSM 156 for my source gear, which I’ve been pretty happy with.  But I’ve always wondered how the UberBuss would stack up against the PSM.
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Reply #19 - 12/11/25 at 21:54:18
 
Cleaner power has been a consideration for me lately. Currently, I’m mainly using plug in devices, like SnubWay, Mainstream and Venom Defender and am considering upgrades. I ‘d been looking at a few different options, so this thread has been interesting and I want to look into the battery backup solution more. I’m glad this  worked to resolve your hum issues MM.

I  also saw a series of videos on YouTube recently that caught my attention regarding the UberBuss. New Record Day had two recent videos, that I found useful. The first is discussing links to sound files to download and listen, to A/B clips with everything being the same, but one having one specific change made.
https://youtu.be/JmgEN7acYaE?si=Ck_EACE0zLtoAaPC
The second video discusses what was changed.
https://youtu.be/WIWVDNiRCiM?si=xpE3_BTTFGr7-RK4
I wont go into my opinions about much of the content and methodology of this second video, but listening to those sound clips through my system yesterday and determining the differences I heard, then seeing what was changed between the two sets of sound clips caught my attention. I want to listen again through headphones today, to see if those differences are even more obvious. I also checked out the recent video GR Research put out about the UberBuss and saw he did another follow up yesterday, that I need to check out. Anyway, perhaps the video links will be of interest to others as well.
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Reply #20 - Yesterday at 15:00:07
 
Hello All,


I love my new Decware 300B SEWE Amp. I am in the process of breaking it in, and it seems I am more aware of the hum as of late. I seek advice and am open to the Ecoflow battery option, and any other options….

Details of my system:
-100 year old House in Queens NYC with a newish utility box
-2 new dedicated power lines hooked up to new fuses in my box, with Furutech outlets each.
-Sarah Amp with Cardas clear power cord to outlet 1
-McIntosh Phono Preamp to outlet 1
-DAC to outlet 2 (with ground lift plug)
-Streamer to outlet 2 (with ground lift plug)

I have a hum that doesn’t seem to be traced to my tubes. It’s seemingly more dominant in my left channel. I’ve swapped left and right all tubes but still in my left channel. (Maybe I should try a new input tube? Rectifier is new)

What do you all recommend I try?

1; The hum seems to be louder in the past week. I have only 60 hours of break in on my new Western Electric 300B tubes…. I hear they do hum from time to time during the break in process… should I be patient to see if it goes away?

2: I would be very interested in a battery solution. MM: If Ecoflow delta 3 like you had tried, should I get the $500 1800 watt version to see if it works? Does this mean I loose the advantage of the Furutech?

Any other suggestions I would love to hear!

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Love the Amp.

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...I have a hum that doesn’t seem to be traced to my tubes. It’s seemingly more dominant in my left channel. I’ve swapped left and right all tubes but still in my left channel. (Maybe I should try a new input tube? Rectifier is new)

What do you all recommend I try...


I guess the first thing I would try is this. If you have a tube set you had used previously that was quiet(er) I would put those tubes back in a confirm or deny that it is still quiet(er). And I would not rule out either the input tube or rectifier as the cause, although it is unlikely. Swapping tubes is the first and easiest thing to try when tracking down an issue with a tube amp IMO.

If the other tubes are quiet(er) it is certainly possible that more hours on the WE tubes will help. My experience is that just having the amp on, even with no music playing goes a long way to breaking in a 300B. I'm not a patient person so I would leave my amp on overnight. I don't necessarily recommend leaving tube electronics on while you're asleep but I've done it on occasion over the years and lived to tell the tale.
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Reply #22 - Yesterday at 15:38:37
 
Sorry RV, but the hum is inherent in your amp.

I was running mine with the volume at about 30%. At Lon’s recommendation I tried bumping it up to 80% and the hum increases significantly for me. Even with the Ecoflow. The left volume knob raises and lowers a 120 hz hum that the hum pots don’t touch. I have discussed with Steve extensively- it’s part of the amp.
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Reply #23 - Yesterday at 16:16:04
 

I agree with MM, the hum is part of the amp. If memory serves me, MM was exploring an alternative power supply to the amp (see above) that seemed to help - maybe he can jump back in on the effectiveness of that. It was one of the few things I did not try and thought I would if I were dealing with amp hum.
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Reply #24 - Yesterday at 16:24:17
 

Just a note about hum - No amp leaves Decware with a discernible difference in hum between the volume being all the way down and all the way up.  I you hear more hum when the volume is turned up than when it's down, it's either an input tube, or hum coming in through the input cables from your source or preamp.

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Reply #25 - Yesterday at 16:35:49
 

Steve, after trying everything I could reasonably and sometimes unreasonably try, the hum remained. I could change the tone of the hum by changing speakers. If I switched from the 300B to the UFO25 and kept everything else the same, there was a faint hum that could not be heard from the listening position - that was my goal for the 300B. In a survey of 10 300B owners on the forum, 8 of 10 could hear hum from listening position. The good news is that it does not have the same effect on every listener; some people can disregard it and simply enjoy the outstanding fidelity.
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Reply #26 - Yesterday at 21:47:21
 
I have to say that my amp is one of those that Steve describes--the hum really doesn't change with volume. Where the hum changes for me is with the ZROCK3. The more gain out from there the more hum. I find I can get a great sound with a lower gain out from the ZROCK3 that is thrilling, and does not introduce hum that I can hear beyond a foot or so from the speaker.
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Reply #27 - Today at 02:04:01
 
Steve and MM,

Could you give some input regarding battery power for the 300B? I am interested in this possibility....


I've tried swapping all tubes and still the hum for me, audible from my listening position, but much more so out of my left channel than my right....? I have also swapped my RCA...

just wondering what options there may be.... in the meantime I will see if amp burn in and tube burn in on the WE's (though the cryotones also had the same effect of a left channel loud hum) makes any difference.

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Reply #28 - Today at 02:31:11
 
Thanks for the input, Steve. Your recommendation, as the circuit designer and company head, would know best.

RV, using battery power and turning the volume controls on the amp low I am able to get the hum to a tolerable level for me. I wouldn’t personally spend the money on a battery system to solve your hum issue if you don’t have another purpose for it. For me, it’s backup power for my home so I would have it either way.

I probably should have updated this thread over last few weeks with these additional battery findings but I tire of the hum discussion and often just find myself enjoying the music instead. My apologies.
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Reply #29 - Today at 16:35:34
 
Hello all, and Steve I would love your input if you have some thoughts...

Yes I understand that the hum is a leaning towards fidelity and it is aligned with my purist sensibilities and pursuits of such sublime musical machines as well...! ...as is much of what I experience of Decware's design philosophy and ethics. I feel lucky to have decware in my life.

I am curious however how I can possibly tame the hum in my left channel. It seems to have gotten louder between 90-130 hours of amp burn in time... and it overshadows music played at a low - medium level... it is curious that it is only the left channel? (I swapped out all I can think of and it seems contained to the amp)

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

some notes:
-amp is on a dedicated line I put in recently
-I live in nyc
-all tubes, cables, and power cords have been swapped but it is always louder on my left channel. in the right, the hum is tamed well enough. the left channel has just gotten louder... ?
-I am at about 130 hours of amp break in

thank you all!
love the music.

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Reply #30 - Today at 18:28:19
 
Ry,

Have you swapped speakers side to side?

Just an idea.
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Reply #31 - Today at 18:30:21
 
Also confirm the hum is unchanged with no input sources connected. I feel like you might benefit from setting up a call with Steve to discuss your situation with him.
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Reply #32 - Today at 18:36:28
 
Hello,

Yes, I swapped speaker cables into the amp and it switched to the other speaker.

I also swapped RCA inputs, tested phono, and took all inputs out, and same thing with the left channel having a louder hum than the right.

Will wait a few weeks and see if it settles… loving the music in the meantime. (Just need to play it louder than the hum..!)

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Reply #33 - Today at 19:30:00
 
R,
Does the left hum knob operate at all, does it influence the hum sound?
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Reply #34 - Today at 19:36:14
 

Hey RY,

I met with Steve a few times regarding hum on my 300B, and in one session, he had me go through a problem-identification procedure that must have taken 45 minutes. Sometime later, I found the same investigation was automated by an avatar at this location: https://www.decwareproducts.com/techsupport

You may have already tried this, but if not, it is worth it. Then, when you talk to Steve, you can refer to problem solving steps already completed.

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