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How much to budget for tubes?
Yesterday at 16:27:17
 
A friend of mine is interested in getting into a tube amp and he asked me a question that I really wasn't able to answer.
He wanted to know how much a year he would need to budget for replacing tubes?

I said that of course it would matter on what amp he bought and how much he played it and if he wanted to play around with tube rolling.

I'm a bad person to answer his question because I just change tubes when fire is shooting out of the top of them and have never really taken up interest in rolling them.
Yes, I've owned a Torii for 15 years and are still playing the exact same type of tubes that came in it, call me weird.

So what would be a good figure to throw at him, $250-500 a year?
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Re: How much to budget for tubes?
Reply #1 - Yesterday at 18:10:32
 
A Decware UFO tube replacement cost would be dramatically different than that of the Sara. Tube replacement costs is amp dependent.

Whatever tube amp he is considering, instruct him to get a list of the tubes and look up cost for each tube up on the internet. That would be a helpful answer that he can determine himself.
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Re: How much to budget for tubes?
Reply #2 - Yesterday at 18:37:37
 
“If I get some money I buy tubes. If there is any left over I buy food and clothes.”

The only way to give any kind of educated answer is what you said:

What amp?

How much do you listen?

And mostly how interested in tube rolling?


You can spend all you have or not buy tubes for years or anything in between.
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Re: How much to budget for tubes?
Reply #3 - Today at 15:34:23
 
P.S. I should add that, esp. if you want to minimize your tube spending luck plays a big part. Any tube, even the most expensive, can fail at any time and even the cheapest tubes can give years of trouble free service. So another question your friend needs to answer is, "do you feel lucky today?"
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Re: How much to budget for tubes?
Reply #4 - Today at 18:05:08
 
I think this is a very good question and more people getting into tube amps or preamps or DACs should factor that in. I decided to pose this question to ChatGPT for Decware’s Sarah 300B amplifier:


Here’s a breakdown of how to estimate a realistic budget for tube replacements for a Decware Sarah (300B) amp, based on ~5 hours/day usage.



What We Know / Assumptions

From Decware’s specs and common tube/amp usage:
     •      The Sarah 300B uses one 300B tube per channel — so 2 output tubes total.  
     •      There are also several smaller tubes (driver/Input, rectifier/VR tubes) in the signal path.  
     •      Output tube life (for tubes like 300B) is often on the order of ~3,000 hours under good conditions, before replacement is recommended. Decware in their documentation (or analogously in “tube manual” style) indicates replacing output tubes around 3,000 hours. (This is typical for many output-power tubes in SET designs)  
     •      Smaller tubes (input / driver / rectifier / regulator tubes) typically last longer, though their replacement cost is much smaller. Their lifetimes might run several thousand hours each, sometimes 5,000-10,000 or more depending on tube quality and how hard they’re driven.  



Usage & How Often You’ll Replace Tubes

At 5 hours/day, that’s about 1,825 hours/year (5 × 365). Let’s round somewhat for vacation days, power-off, etc. Say ~1,700-1,800 hours/year.
     •      Output 300B tubes (2 of them): If they are good quality and run under moderate conditions, you might expect ~3,000 hours before you begin noticing deterioration (or before recommended replacement). So you might replace output tubes roughly every 1.5 to 2 years under your usage.
     •      Driver / preamp / rectifier / VR tubes: Might last longer — maybe 3-5+ years, depending on condition, quality, etc.



Costs

What do tubes cost?
     •      A good “audiophile” 300B tube (non-NOS, modern production) might cost $200-$400+ for a single, or more, depending on brand/maker. Some premium ones (like Western Electric) are much more expensive.  
     •      The smaller tubes (input, driver, rectifier) are much cheaper—maybe tens to a couple of hundred dollars total when you replace them.
     •      Decware offers a “tube compliment” (i.e. set of tubes for all the required positions) for the Sarah for $450.   That’s likely budget / less premium tubes. Premium output tubes will cost more.



Putting It All Together: Annual Budget Estimate

Here’s what you might expect to spend per year, assuming 5 hrs/day average use:

Component      When You’ll Replace (hours)      Replacement Frequency (years)      Cost Each Time      Annualized Cost
300B output tubes (both channels)      ~3,000 hrs      ~1.7-2 yrs (assuming your hours)      Let’s assume two good mid-range 300Bs, say $350-$500 each = $700-$1,000 for the pair      ≈ $350-$600/yr
Smaller tubes (inputs, rectifier, etc.)      5,000-10,000+ hrs or more      Maybe every 3-4 years (or staggered)      Maybe $200-$400 total when replacing all smalls      ≈ $50-$150/yr
Buffer for premature failure / rolling / upgrades      unpredictable      maybe some years you replace earlier      e.g. extra $50-$200      amortized maybe $50/yr


Best Estimate

Putting together these, a realistic annual budget for tube expenses for your usage (5 hrs/day) would probably be somewhere between:

~US$400 to US$800 per year for decent quality tubes, with premium output tubes possibly pushing toward the higher side.

If you go very premium (e.g. WE300Bs or NOS or boutique), or if you regularly “roll” tubes or tweak sound by swapping output tubes often, you might budget more (perhaps $1,000+/yr in those years you replace more or pay more for premium).

If you use budget/mid-tier tubes and extend lifetimes (use moderate volume, good environment, avoid frequent power cycling etc.), you might get by on the lower end $300-$400 some years.



If you like, I can run the numbers for a few brands/tube types (premium vs budget) to give you a tailored estimate. Do you want that?
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Re: How much to budget for tubes?
Reply #5 - Today at 18:35:39
 
Thanks Kamran!

That pretty much confirms my original thoughts.

I'm thinking that moving around the range of Decware amplifiers would probably change the numbers  downward a bit.

I'm thinking anywhere from around $100 a year on the SE84UFO's to probably $400-500 on the Torii's or the Mystery Amp, and the Sarah topping out on the top of the heap because of the expensive 300B's.

I really think that this information should be out there for new folks to see so they can factor in the running costs into their purchasing decisions.

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