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Question: Does your Sarah Amp hum?

As silent as night creeping in
I might hear something
I can hear something
It is very noticable
Holy crap this is going to drive me insane


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Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
09/15/25 at 21:23:20
 
I noticed the poll button the other day and saw a request for this poll.

Vote early, vote often (Illinois style)
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #1 - 09/16/25 at 01:38:06
 
The only hum I got is from some of the tubes I tried. The right tubes, zero hum, with 100dB 2.83V@1m sensitivity 8 Ohm speakers.
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #2 - 09/16/25 at 05:14:33
 
What Ghostship said. Smiley
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Reply #3 - Yesterday at 00:44:21
 
Ghost ship and Kamran, please share what tubes you found no hum with the SEWE300b.
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Reply #4 - Yesterday at 00:52:07
 
Cryotone full bundle, specifically:
     Main Input Stage: 12AU7-WCL Long Plate with Matched Sections;
     Input Driver Stage: ECC88-WC Matched Pair;
     Voltage Regulators: OC2-WC (3) Matched;
     Rectifier: 5AR4-WC;
     Output Stage: 300B Matched pair.
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Reply #5 - Yesterday at 01:34:23
 
Interesting. With those same tubes I still have significant hum with 97db speakers. There is obviously more to it than just your tube selection.
I will say that with the Cryotone set I have lower hum than other tubes, but it doesn’t go away.
I wouldn’t want potential buyers to be misinformed.
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #6 - Yesterday at 01:58:28
 
Same bundle as Ghostship, with the exception of the rectifier- I use their 5U4G.  As of late, I’ve been using the Stradi 5U4G rectifier, which is as quiet (if not quieter) as the Cryotone.

I agree, while tubes probably contribute to the lions share of reducing hum, there are other factors as well. By the way, my speakers are also 8 ohm with a sensitivity of 96db.
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #7 - Yesterday at 02:26:29
 
I've tried all those Cryotone tubes too. About as much reduced hum as those I use, but I did not like the sound in comparison to the NOS and Chinese tubes I use.
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Reply #8 - Today at 18:26:51
 
My hum is not tube related. I have Serial #006, purchased used from a forum member, who purchased it from the original owner (forum member).

Neither of the former owners ever mentioned hum once, and the original owner gave the most glowing reviews...not even sure how it went up for sale.

I have almost 2 sets of Cryotone's which came with the amp, as well as other tubes I have purchased trying to rule out the tubes. I feel confident it is not them.

I have three (3) other tube amps (Torii MarkV, SE84CKCS, and a Denis Had Type 45) none of these hum using all of the same equipment. I have even disconnected all but one source and Sarah still hum's. Tried different rooms/outlets/power cords/cables etc. No effect/improvement.

Speaker efficiency does not impact the hum. KEF LS50's at 84DB hum, as well as every other speaker connected (HRv2, Klipsh Heresy I, and LiiSong Z15L).

The hum is not volume dependent (does not change at all). Just a steady drone once powered up (no volume). Loud enough in a 35XllX7 foot room at 7' from the speakers it is annoying. Smaller room is unbearable. In the larger room I can listen, however soft passages definitely irritate me as the hum is noticeable.

I do like the sound it produces, really wish I had one of the one's that does not have hum or could at least figure out why it does for me and not the prior owners.

I spend most of my time with the Torii in a smaller room. Worst problems in life to have so I am blessed with what I do have.
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Reply #9 - Today at 18:39:12
 
Sorry to hear that Lon. Have you talked with Steve about this? It does sound as if something is different with your amp.
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #10 - Today at 20:00:51
 
For what it is worth…I have a push/pull tube amp that had a hum at startup that was slowing getting worse with time.  I sent it in to the manufacturer for diagnosis.  They replaced the power tube sockets, checked resistors and made the repair under warranty.  Dead silent for over 2 years now👍. Good luck resolving your hum!
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Reply #11 - Today at 21:13:31
 
I find it interesting that some Sarah users have no hum while others have extreme hum. I have been able to reduce the hum by managing power source, tube selection, and reducing speaker efficiency- some at a cost of reduced fidelity- but I have not been able to eliminate the hum. It is still quite discernible from my listening chair during quiet passages.

When I reached out to Decware, Steve told me the hum adjustment knobs are very sensitive and I wasn’t using them properly. No further support.

FWIW, none of my previous Decware amps had hum near this level. In fact, almost totally silent.  I will also include that when I A/B my Sarah with my UFO’s I prefer the Sarah 100% hands down. So I’m not trying to say it’s a bad amp. Quite the contrary. I just don’t understand why some people are not experiencing any hum while others have such dramatic issue with it. My understanding is that Decware has a stringent quality control process so I’m less inclined to think it’s a bad batch of parts or something like that. I dunno. Is there something that can happen in shipping or possible that QA/QC doesn’t account for a critical control point related to our problem?
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #12 - Today at 21:58:23
 

I have had two meetings with Steve, one lengthy one where we went through different tube combinations in the 300B that might cause or eliminate a hum. At the end of that session, he said that the hum may improve over time, and if not, I could send it back to him for further investigation. After careful consideration, I concluded that the hum from my amp was typical. I decided to look for solutions outside of Decware, and that's where I found Vera-Fi.

Steve wrote in his "development thread" that he had heard a hum in the 300B but did not think it would be a problem. The goal was not to eliminate it, Steve said at one point, elimination would jeopardize fidelity. His goal was to minimize the amps' hum so it was unheard at the listening position.

When I spoke with Don at Wathen, he told me that even with a complete set of Wathen tubes, it would most likely not remove the hum.

Those of us who have installed several products from Vera-Fi have reported improvements with hum for the most part. For me, a softening of the hum has helped take the edge off.

Lon's suggestion to the Other Lon to return the amp to Decware for a checkup sounds logical. If you are not the original owner, however, there are additional costs that I assume Other Lon is aware of. Still, it's a possibility.
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #13 - Today at 22:50:43
 

I just read MM's comments on the "hum control" knob on the 300B and had to smile.

I have spent lengthy sessions using this knob. Here's how it works for me. Assume, for the moment, that the hum coming from one's amp is as good as it can be as a starting point. Next, turn the knob for one channel very carefully and slowly in one direction. What happens then is the hum becomes incrementally worse.

Then, if one turns the knob back to its original position, the hum returns to its original level, and the hum sounds much better when it was at its worst.

Next, turn the hum knob in the opposite direction, and again one hears the hum get worse.

Finally, turn the knob back to its original position, and the hum returns to its original level, sounding better than its worst version.


That's how hum control works in my amp.
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Reply #14 - Today at 23:08:04
 
That knob certainly works for me to find the right position where the hum is least present for a particular tube.

I now have two different pairs of 300B that I use, two very different types from two different manufacturers. I adjust the hum knob for each type of tube, the knob position is slightly different for the least hum sound for eachy tube type.
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Re: Poll: Does your Sarah hum?
Reply #15 - Today at 23:18:47
 

Lon, no doubt, that how it works. You are using the knob to dial in the least amount of hum for a given tube. It does not remove all the hum, which is the point I'm trying to make. It's like there is good hum and bad. At least in my case, there is not a "no hum" option.

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