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Decware's DynaGrid Rectifier design log
06/28/25 at 02:15:22
 

The DynaGrid Rectifier Design Log

New Product from Decware coming this fall.

UPDATE: 6/27/2025

After a year of reading the STR thread on this forum, I wasn’t surprised to find the sound can be noticeably better than a good 5U4G using the right tubes. Getting the ideal tubes for a specific amp or preamp kind of turns it into a power users game vs., something for someone newer to tubes.

Rectifiers, such as the 5U4G, introduce a natural voltage drop and nonlinear impedance, creating a "sag" that softens dynamics and adds a warm, musical quality to the sound, often perceived as richer and more engaging. This sag enhances harmonic richness and provides a smoother response to transients, complementing complex music with a pleasing compression effect.

Solid-state diodes, while more efficient and precise, deliver a stiffer, linear power supply that can sound clinical or harsh in some systems, lacking the dynamic interplay and tonal warmth that tubes impart. The exception would be something like the ZMA where you use capacitors that are 1000 times larger than normal.

To improve upon the average 5U4G rectifier meant exploring more and more exotic $$$ rectifiers until you end up with something like the STR.  


The natural voltage drop and sag of a rectifier is factored into the amplifier design and especially the amplifier voicing. But even with the factory original rectifier tube, as the voltage at your wall outlet changes up and down, the B+ voltage of your tube rectified amplifier will also change. This can be why your amp sounds a little different from session to session in some homes or apartments.

The rectifier tube will also drift over time. There is no way to know this, because there is no high voltage meter on amplifiers.  It would be nice if there were, and you had a way to adjust the B+ to not only the amplifiers design center, but outside of the design center to experience how that affects the sound so long as it is limited to a safe window of operation.

Another minor problem with rectifier tubes is that tubes do in fact drift and diminish over time. Since a rectifier has two plates inside they both have to be precisely matched.  If one drifts away from the other, there will be reduced performance and likely increased hum.  Using two separate tubes, or more, for rectification requires that they be matched and stay that way for optimal results.

Anyway, I wanted a single device, with a single tube to prevent having to match tubes, that would work for everything be it an amplifier or preamp. Basically anything that can use a 5U4G or similar. Say from 30 mA to the 5U4G max rating of 225 mA, one product that does it all.

I’ve taken a unique approach to this that has many advantages.  

This is what I’ve done:

I've replaced the rectifier with a pair of 3 amp solid state diodes that drives an 845 triode with adjustable grid bias to replicate the 5U4G voltage drop and sag characteristics but with infinite adjustability within a safe operating window so the voltage drop can’t be decreased or increased too much.

Additionally a soft start is built-in using this approach which is particularly nice for directly heated triode amplifiers.

The 845 tube was chosen because there are so many different brands available that it drives the price to as low as $50 a tube.  Also, rated at 100 watts the tube will rarely see 11 watts in this design and operates at well below half it’s rated voltage so I would expect it to last possibly for the life of the product.  This takes a lot of the cost out of ownership because the infinite adjustability eliminates the need to roll different tubes.  You can just dial it in, watching the meter as you go, and hearing the results in real time.

As an example; You might decide that a Sarah 300B amplifier sounds better at 380 volts rather than 405 volts with the particular tubes you’re running.  With the meter you can always see what the voltage is so if the wall voltage drops and your amp is reading 370 volts, you can raise it to your magic number.  Or if it’s too high, you can drop it.

So here are some bullet points of sorts:

Hybrid Approach: Hi current solid-state diodes eliminate tube rectifier failure modes, while the 845 triode provides tube-like sag and warmth, controlled via adj. bias.

Adjustable Voltage Drop: Allows real-time tuning of B+ voltage, avoiding the need for tube swapping and ensuring compatibility across all tube rectified amplifiers and preamps that would use anything from a 5Y3GT, 5R4G, 5AR4, 5U4G, 274B.

Monitoring: Both amplifier current and B+ voltage meters let you see how much current your amplifier draws with the tubes that are in it, and what the high voltage is at in real time.

Simple Design: A single 845 triode that almost never wears out with two meters a power switch and a knob to adjust the voltage drop.

Thermal Efficiency: External heat management and diode efficiency lower amplifier temperatures, enhancing component longevity. For example, the Sarah amplifier temperature dropped from 128’F to 110’F.

Dynamic Response Control: Adjustable bias mimics tube rectifier “sag” or provides a stiffer supply, offering tonal flexibility not possible with the 5U4G or fixed aftermarket rectifiers.

As you can see, this design log (unlike previous ones) jumps into the design after it has already happened.  I’ve been testing it for 6 months or so, and it took about that long to design it to function the way I wanted and be completely safe.


I can confidently say that no rectifier tube I own can touch it sonically, it's sooo meaty and holographic... even my collection of high dollar 274B’s do not sound as good. And to even have a collection of high dollar rectifiers means you have also had some blown ones because so many come from eBay and China.

This will be the rectifier tube that can’t be bested at any price and lasts for life.  Additionally it will likely increase the life of all the tubes in the amplifier, show less stress to the transformers, increase capacitor life, and lower the heat of the amplifier, so again if you run exotic tubes in your amp, this could easily increase the usable lifespan.


I’ll post some pictures of the prototype in here eventually and the production units as they come along. I’m on the very tail end of the design process so I expect it to go into production this fall. There could be two models, I haven't decided yet. Pricing is still up in the air, but it would be competative.

The  (C) 2025 name DynaGrid comes from Dynamic Grid Controlled Rectification. As far as I can tell, nothing like it exists in the world making it a world's first!

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Reply #1 - 06/28/25 at 02:46:47
 
The Decware DynaGrid Rectifier (Prototype)



This will be pretty close.  The mA meter in the production model will be a 300mA meter instead of the 500mA in this prototype.
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Reply #2 - 06/28/25 at 03:22:32
 
Very interesting.
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Reply #3 - 06/28/25 at 04:07:08
 
9:55 P.M. listening to music that is just beyond dimensional.  You can touch it, so dense, so deep, so scaled.  Unlike the rectifier tube,  it seems to get better as you turn things up.  Because it has ten times the headroom!!!

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Reply #4 - 06/28/25 at 05:52:07
 
Sounds so interesting Steve. Other than price, my other question is will the wait time for this device be less than four years once ordered.
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Reply #5 - 06/28/25 at 07:00:55
 
COOL! Only problem? My amp has TWO 5U4G rectifiers. I’m hoping that there will be some solution other than buying two DynaGrid Rectifiers.

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Reply #6 - 06/28/25 at 10:56:11
 
Fascinating Steve! I'd much rather consider this than the STR. (Though I am still not sure that I am wanting this sort of device, nor that I will be able to afford it).  Will be so interesting to see the final model(s) and pricing.
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Reply #7 - 06/28/25 at 15:05:38
 
This is very exciting- but oh, the wait …

It would be very “zen” if this technology were incorporated directly into the amps instead of requiring a separate device.
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Reply #8 - 06/28/25 at 15:16:05
 
Very cool! This brings up a question:

CA, with monoblocs, how would this be connected? Would you need one for each channel? How is the STR setup with dual amps?
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Reply #9 - 06/28/25 at 15:24:49
 
Exciting Steve!
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Reply #10 - 06/28/25 at 16:06:24
 
MM wrote on 06/28/25 at 15:05:38:
This is very exciting- but oh, the wait …

It would be very “zen” if this technology were incorporated directly into the amps instead of requiring a separate device.


It's just a (hopeful) guess. . . but this may be on the accelerated list rather than the amplifier list. Time will tell.
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Reply #11 - 06/28/25 at 16:09:29
 
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CA, with monoblocs, how would this be connected? Would you need one for each channel? How is the STR setup with dual amps?


Yes, one for each amp. Each STR/DynaGrid is a one for one replacement for a single rectifier. FYI/FWIW I use my STR in my non-Decware pre/headphone amp, not my UFO25s. I have been considering getting a pair of STRs for the '25s and using them with dual 5V rectifiers (5U4G, GZ34 etc.). But I'm not there yet, for a lot of reasons.

I think it would be highly unlike this is incorporated directly into an amp because it would be (among other things) a major redesign of the chassis, so Decware would need two chassis for each model. Also, having it as a standalone unit would allow you to try it e.g. in both your pre- and power amps to see which has the biggest/best impact on your system.

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Reply #12 - 06/28/25 at 16:41:36
 
Lon says;
"It's just a (hopeful) guess. . . but this may be on the accelerated list rather than the amplifier list. Time will tell."
     

Or place order now for anything and then switch to DynaGrid when time appropriate ??
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Reply #13 - 06/28/25 at 16:46:03
 
Im not normally one for adding extra cables to my system, looking for another plug in spot and flipping another power switch before listening to music but this looks pretty exciting.
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Reply #14 - 06/28/25 at 16:46:26
 
I knew it! Deposit down and back on the list!

Mental Notes:

1) Given the popularity of the STR, I was wondering when Steve would offer something similar? I would much rather get something from an outfit that is well oiled and established, from an engineer that I know and respect, and a customer service situation that doesn’t involve being dependent on the whims of one individual. Not meant to be disrespectful of Al and what he has achieved — you know what I mean.
2) Missing/Craving a new development thread!
3) Amused that the two biggest STR holdouts just perked up!

How Steve kept quiet for six months is beyond me! Looking forward to more updates!

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Reply #15 - 06/28/25 at 17:08:54
 
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I knew it! Deposit down and back on the list!

Mental Notes:

1) Given the popularity of the STR, I was wondering when Steve would offer something similar




As near as I can tell the difference is the STR converts triodes like the 845 or 300B to diodes to do the actual rectification. The DynaGrid uses solid state diodes for the rectification and then (wild a$$ guess) uses the 845 as a buffer stage to add the tube yumminess and adjustability.

I wonder if Steve has tried other 10V triodes like the 805 or 211? Or if they are usable in the Dynagrid?

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Reply #16 - 06/29/25 at 02:57:31
 
Kamran said, "How Steve kept quiet for six months is beyond me!”

So, note to self (and all of us) - don’t play poker with Steve.

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Reply #17 - 06/29/25 at 06:34:25
 
Super cool Steve. Might have to change my order for a SE84UFO to the Dynagrid instead for my Torii…
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Reply #18 - 06/29/25 at 11:23:44
 
This is very interesting for sure. Hopefully not a 3 year wait but it surely don't look like a black box!
What happen to the ZCA Steve?
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Reply #19 - 06/29/25 at 18:26:43
 
As a new Decware owner, I’m intrigued by anything and everything Steve does.  But I have zero experience with any of it beyond my newfound love of the beautiful sound of my albums through my UFO25.  So I greatly appreciate the comments that come from those of you who have been exposed to Steve’s creations.  I have a long way to go in terms of Black boxes, preamps, reference sources and such and I think I have to have a strategy for procurement of said additions.  Plus, I’m still learning about how each of his products works and complements the other components.  Now I have another one to figure out!

In the meantime, I’ll lurk here and read the comments while I wait for my pocketbook to recover from the last few purchases.

But I too am curious about the ZCA!
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Reply #20 - 06/29/25 at 19:16:02
 
I would want to know what you are hearing when used with amp x. I am interested in use with SE84UFO25 and Torii Jr V2. Hopefully, you will share more over time.

Do you limit development in short term to single rectifier products for ease of manufacture and product launch? It seems to me that you would benefit in the short term to limit the product initially to Decware products. You obviously know the safe operating window of your products.

Your comment about a 300mA meter in the production model. Will this fit the operating range of your amps/preamps? Do premium meters matter? Power supply design considerations? If I am running a preamp and amp, where would I get the most benefit from a DynaGrid?

I only see one knob. What does it adjust? Are amplifier current and B+ voltage related as you adjust? You made comments (as an example) of running a Sarah at 380 volts instead of 405 volts? Based on your comments of wall voltage dropping reading to 370 volts. I think wall power stabilization could be an issue. How should owners tackle this issue? It seems like something more than a ZLC is needed. What are your thoughts?

Can you tell us more about the power in your listening room? Do you run dedicated circuits? Use ZLC?

Monitoring is a benefit, but how does one take action based on what one is seeing from a amplifier current or B+ voltage perspective?

Is the cord to the rectifier port detachable? Do different cables even make a difference?

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Reply #21 - 06/29/25 at 19:18:46
 
What is the ZCA?
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Reply #22 - 06/29/25 at 21:05:57
 
I do not understand a lot of technical speak about how some 'things' work. But there is no doubt in my nowadays 'dented' mind, that when Steve has his mind set on something, it's obviously going to be a winner. So fn talented. I will try not to get too personal on the internet, but I got in on Decware when the Zen UFO2.1 amp I ordered (my pretty wife made me get it! She saw me reading about them several times) wound up being a wait time of 2 years. I had already been through 2 very serious, more recent hospital stays, 3 years apart and a total of 3 'episodes' in my life, so because of this, I was paranoid about ordering. I was SO blessed to even ~BE~ at all and no one understands how I am still here. Especially me.   Other than my family and friends, this wait on this amplifier was so exciting to me. There are some things I can no longer do, but listening to good music.... always so important to people like us too. Our little Zen amp IS the best electronic music purchase in my lifetime. For those of you that are financially able and healthy etc, order what you want here. The wait is sometimes the pits, but weirdly exciting too at the same time. How do you explain this? I am currently getting ready to fire up the music in here for a bit. This happens a LOT. All the very best to Steve and ALL staff over there. As well as this forum that has such wonderful and helpful people too. It's not about me, it's about YOU folks waiting to order, like I did....if you can swing it~ think a bit more about it and just do it. I told my way better half to be glad I was once as sharp as a rocket scientist...pretty sure she never bought it though...  Always~  Mike
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Reply #23 - 06/29/25 at 23:10:24
 
Thanks for sharing your story Mike and good luck with your health challenges moving forward. For me, my Decware equipment and music listening room offer me a morning refuge to prepare for the upcoming day. The Mystery amp and CSP3 preamp with were a retirement gift to myself nine years ago, when the wait was about 3 months. Subsequently additional 25th Anniversary modifications to both, open baffles speakers and Snake River Audio cables have put me in a very special place.

I hope everyone finds immense enjoyment in their own audio journey. So many helpful friends on this forum have certainly enriched that journey. Caintuck Audio Randy Rash and the Deckert family, well they're just really special folks who care.

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Reply #24 - 06/29/25 at 23:28:37
 
Mike, Hock--I'm with you both. Music is what keeps me going, looking forward, get through the morass of insanity in the world. And Decware components have been with me for nearly 30 years now, they've gone through the changes in life and fortune that I have and I have reached a plateau of beautiful sonic playback that sustains me and calms me. I owe a lot to the Decware family and to this community of forumites.
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Reply #25 - 06/30/25 at 09:25:01
 
ZCA is short for Zen Cartridge Amplifier. It was a winter project by Steve that was due for release this spring. It is in the vinyl heading section under the general discussion forum.
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Reply #26 - 06/30/25 at 14:34:42
 
Are we going to be able to listen to this at this years Decfest?
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Reply #27 - 06/30/25 at 19:10:59
 

The ZCA chassis were just completed, so we are now collecting parts and I will be adding it to the web site as soon as I can find the time.

I think production will likely be on the long list because I don't want to irritate people on that list by taking resources away from it.  That said, I can make at least 10 units on the short list once they become available.  I will be submitting a chassis order sometime in July, so this fall sometime some can hear it.

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I would want to know what you are hearing when used with amp x. I am interested in use with SE84UFO25 and Torii Jr V2. Hopefully, you will share more over time.


I hear the same effect on everything that we make that uses a 5U4G rectifier tube although because of the added headroom, it's probably more impressive on the amplifiers.


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Do you limit development in short term to single rectifier products for ease of manufacture and product launch? It seems to me that you would benefit in the short term to limit the product initially to Decware products. You obviously know the safe operating window of your products.


I designed it to work in anything that uses a 5U4G or even 5U4GB rectifier, but have only tested it with our products.  The operating window was crafted around our products, yes, but should also protect most other products as well.  The exception may be certain amplifiers that are using 450V caps with a B+ of > 400 volts.  Of course you can see what the voltage is now, and there is a soft start if you turn on the DynaGrid last.


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Your comment about a 300mA meter in the production model. Will this fit the operating range of your amps/preamps? Do premium meters matter? Power supply design considerations? If I am running a preamp and amp, where would I get the most benefit from a DynaGrid?



It fits the operating range of all amplifiers that would use up to a 5U4GB.  As mentioned, probably the amplifier due to the increased headroom.

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I only see one knob. What does it adjust? Are amplifier current and B+ voltage related as you adjust? You made comments (as an example) of running a Sarah at 380 volts instead of 405 volts? Based on your comments of wall voltage dropping reading to 370 volts. I think wall power stabilization could be an issue. How should owners tackle this issue? It seems like something more than a ZLC is needed. What are your thoughts?


Our tube amps are forgiving and tolerate wall voltage swings without regulation.  It is normal.  But if you're into it deep enough to be spending big money on an STR and all the tubes to try, you might find it helpful to settle on a number and adjust it there if needed every time you listen.

The knob adjusts the voltage drop.  When voltage drops, current also drops somewhat but the amp or preamp is determining the current not the DynaGrid.


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Can you tell us more about the power in your listening room? Do you run dedicated circuits? Use ZLC?


We run a ZLC on a dedicated circuit, but our power basically sucks.  This is a tool I use to keep one foot planted in the real world.

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Monitoring is a benefit, but how does one take action based on what one is seeing from a amplifier current or B+ voltage perspective?


No action is needed. But if you see the high voltage is lower than you want, you can raise it, or if you see it is higher than you want, you can lower it.  The "what you want" part is determined by ear, and while using the DynaGrid compared to a rectifier tube is easy to hear, the subtleness of voltage drop is not and would vary wildly from component to component.


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Is the cord to the rectifier port detachable? Do different cables even make a difference?


Yes, the umbilical cord is removable.  Different cables do make a difference but I've already explored the practical options and have designed a bomb proof umbilical that is safe to use.

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Reply #28 - 06/30/25 at 19:14:15
 
The unit is designed very specifically for the 845 tube ONLY.  If you want to roll tubes, there are probably 50 or more different brands ranging from $50 to $1900.

I am doing all of the testing with $100 Linlai 845 tubes, which is what it will ship with.

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Reply #29 - 07/01/25 at 02:36:02
 
Thx for all the clarifications Steve.  Couple of more questions:

Can the Dynagrid chassis be available to match the top plate and wood base of our existing Decware products?

Curious about your selection of 845.  While I love the simplicity and the lack of FOMO on the ability to roll other tubes, what is it about the 845 that made it superior to other options? Just wanted to understand for educational purposes…

Bob—given the timeline Steve is sharing, it seems very likely that it will be at Decfest.
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Reply #30 - 07/01/25 at 18:18:14
 
Wow, this is really exciting. As someone who recently acquired an STR I would love to hear how this pairs with my SE84UFO and compares to the STR. I'm sure competition for those first 10 will be stiff, but here's hoping.

I also love the idea of a single 845 tubes but there is something truly magical about the STRs 866A both visually and sonically that would be hard to give up.
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Reply #31 - 07/01/25 at 22:42:29
 
The chassis is the same size as the SE84UFO2.1, CSP3, etc., and will be the same black finish and can be placed in any of our wood bases.  

Regarding the choice of 845 - The availability keeps the price down, and the amount of current makes it an ideal choice without having to parallel tubes.  Plus I want the tube to feel like it's on vacation so it lasts forever.  

The 845’s datasheet lists maximum plate current around 150–200 mA in typical audio applications (e.g., Class A1, V_plate = 1250 V, I_plate = 80–120 mA). However in this series pass configuration with a lower V_drop (50–70 V) and adjustable positive bias, the tube can handle significantly higher currents because the dissipation is kept low.

I estimate it will handle twice what a 5U4GB would handle, putting it at 500mA.  Since it would never see more than 200mA or so, it doesn't drift or wear out fast enough to need replacing for most users.

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Reply #32 - 07/02/25 at 22:31:17
 
and for us two 5U4G per amp users, i.e. a Torii, do we need two of these, or will there be a "dual" model?
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Reply #33 - 07/02/25 at 22:53:49
 
I’d say you’ll need two. I don’t think Decware would make a dual rectifier version. That would be a lot of overhead for a pretty niche product.
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Reply #34 - 07/04/25 at 23:18:13
 
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This is very exciting- but oh, the wait …

It would be very “zen” if this technology were incorporated directly into the amps instead of requiring a separate device.


I like this idea. Imagine a premium version of SE34I.6 with DynaGrid built in. Put in the 845 instead of a rectifier. Add two more meters and eliminate headphone and four input option. Maybe use a Torii chassis? Make it an all out assault on what SET could be. Probably too good to be true….

How about a SE84UFO25 in a bigger chassis with a DynaGrid and other tricks or options that could not be done in current chassis? Dual power cords?

I guess my question is what is next for Decware? What else is in the design queue? How about a 150 watt solid state amp with a DynaGrid build in or tube rectification?
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Reply #35 - 07/04/25 at 23:28:43
 
Hi Steve.
Did you try different models of solid state diodes in your design phase?

Are you selecting parts manufactures in the US with all that is going on with supply chains and such?
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Reply #36 - 07/05/25 at 00:35:36
 
Solid State Amp at Decware? Gasp!!! Blasphemy 😁

From a manufacturing perspective, making a single Dynagrid just makes sense. Will have to buy 2 for my Torii just as I had to buy 2 STRs.
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Reply #37 - 07/05/25 at 03:04:21
 
I know. I think it is interesting to speculate about what is next. I so missed a development thread. The ZMA. The Sarah. The SE84UFO25. The Torri Jr. Anniversary mods. The ZCA. I am sure that I missing something.
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Reply #39 - 07/05/25 at 03:36:46
 
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Additionally a soft start is built-in using this approach which is particularly nice for directly heated triode amplifiers.


From a design perspective, why is this ok here? When I read the ZLC manual, it sounds like you do not like soft starts for that application.

Are you plugging the DynaGrid into your ZLC?
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Did you try different models of solid state diodes in your design phase?


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Reply #41 - 07/06/25 at 19:03:41
 
This is exciting!

One thing that is exciting to me is the adjustability of the voltage. This opens up an amazing new world of fine tuning! Have a set of tubes that is a smidge too thin? Adjust the voltage down and wow, that's perfect.

Steve, Does the DynaGrid receive the AC to be rectified from component it's plugged into?

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...Have a set of tubes that is a smidge too thin? Adjust the voltage down and wow, that's perfect.


This is something I've always wondered about. Is the "rectifier sound" just due to the voltage drop in different rectifiers, or is there more going on? I suspect it is the latter, but it will be very interesting to hear everyone's experience.

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Does the DynaGrid receive the AC to be rectified from component it's plugged into?


I think it would have to do that. The difference between the voltage for a power amp and preamp seems like it would be too much for the DynaGrid to have a fixed voltage built in.
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Reply #43 - 07/06/25 at 20:51:56
 
From my listening, most of the electronics in my system are notably affected by voltage, especially Steve's and other tube designs... And no doubt a lot of why rectifiers make such a big difference, along with materials, design, sag and voltage... seems to me that the whole of the rectifier power, voltage and amperage, within a given set of parameters, effects how hard the rectifier loads everything that follows, adjusting the signal along the way based on how all the parts, wires, and tubes respond.

Seems like forever ago, but this was the main reason I resorted to a PSAudio P5, my system voltage was moving around too much (like maybe 119 to 122/23 over time) and the P5 has adjustable, regulated voltage. I needed that to reliably tune the system, and so that I could expect some level of consistency, not just in the musical experience, but for tuning to optimize that musical potential. My system sounds good at 120 but generally overstated to me in this room. And at 122, going further into overstated, it tends to be more forceful, thicker and concentrated. Whereas toning the P5 voltage down to a steady 117 with the phase adjusted to open it up a little, makes every parameter of the balances of balances easier for me. Not that this would necessarily be the same optimal voltage and phase in other rooms, but an illustration.

Similarly, this is the main reason I really like nice responsive pre-stages. Once they are set to have good sonic balances at the best average gain for a system/room, I love how the gain turned up or down can take the initial signal modifications/enhancements further, while pretty easily refining and balancing different recordings... I also love how this can be progressive with the right stages and setup, how the adjusted signal is met, utilized and optimized further down the line...

So I agree, this straight forward and conceptually reliable design with voltage/bias adjustment, and meters to monitor what is happening electronically...very exciting!

I love how, when Steve gets onto a design trail, he discovers and uncovers creative and innovative tools to give us more musical potential and more ways of fine tuning...

And finally, I miss the day to day of his development threads too!
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Reply #45 - 07/07/25 at 21:34:37
 
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From a design perspective, why is this ok here? When I read the ZLC manual, it sounds like you do not like soft starts for that application.

Are you plugging the DynaGrid into your ZLC?


Soft starting the Zen Line Conditioner is not the same thing as a tube amp.  In the line conditioner it would involve a dropping relay, a high wattage resistor and a timer to make sure the resistor doesn't get hot.  Lot of crap to break.  In a tube amp it simply means waiting for the tube to heat up which happens naturally without any parts.

The DynaGrid uses power only to heat the 845 tube.  It is no problem to plug it into a ZLC, it draws about the same wattage as a small preamp.


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Reply #46 - 07/08/25 at 01:41:01
 
Being new to Decware, and the forum, I’ve only been privy to the thrill of reading the design log for the ZCA somewhat live and it truly is exciting to feel like I’m part of something new and groundbreaking.

As I was contemplating purchasing a pre-enjoyed UFO25, I stumbled upon Steve’s design log for it and read every single post.  The melancholy I felt upon reading the last post was akin to finishing the last book of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Okay, maybe not quite that profound, but the journey of discovery Steve describes is so intriguing.  I was really bummed the ride was over!  

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