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Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise (Read 5441 times)
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Reply #50 - 06/02/25 at 22:04:11
 
JBZ. Not surprising results from your searches, and it does seem to be a good idea to theorize on, and explore mineral/electrical interaction yourself. For me, especially in these energetic areas that are challenging to suss out with our general knowledge and measuring tools, I have come to avoiding working much on seeking finite explanations. More, depending on being stimulated by insights from others who sound to me like their system/rooms are revealing, and who have experienced benefits that make sense... then listening is the reliable "measure" for me.

And not surprising to those of you who know me, this led me into an exploration I hope might be useful for some anyway.

I figure energy and how it moves and interacts is much more subtle, complex, and "alive" than most of us can imagine... and along with "physical" things also being substantially composed of energy, energetic interactivity is a lot to get a handle on. Though it tends to present in patterns, as the "butterfly effect" shows, energy is interactive and transformative.... moment to moment, all things and activities effecting and altering all things and activities. Finally, isn't this what we experience as our own complex system of body/mind/spirit, interacts with our also complex music as revealed by the complexes of our system/rooms.

As to the naysayers, I figure linear thought we are trained to believe as "factual," in an ever-transformative world, is necessarily limited and limiting, often making attaching to its conclusions self-defeating. The linear, being based in what I call "word time," is useful for sure, but too slow and linear to be inclusive of all that is at play. And so much of our cultured beliefs of "reality" having been based on linear "science based" ideologies/beliefs, "science" is too often devoted to proving something more so than discovering something... inadvertently making static that which cannot really be fully static. Yet culturally, we are still left imagining that nothing is real if not linearly "proven."

So to me, attaching to static "facts," in a world where everything is changing, too often limits our awareness and enjoyment of our own innately evolving perception, discernment, insights and "knowledge." Double edged toward self-defeat, a primary aspect of transformation being creation (or the creative), if beliefs make us think we are done, our creative interest in exploration and discovery becomes limited...which imposes limits on our refinement and potential for deeper musical experiences. And really, to linearly examine interactive transformative overlays of complex systems would take forever.

So to me, great science begins with creative exploration and "intuition," and linear thought can help stimulate it, and/or help us to understand and notice realizations and insights that often rise out of our collective "consciousness."

In its broadest sense, I think of collective "consciousness" as an overlay of all energetic information at once...something we all are a part of, so we all participate in it, and interact with it. Even with limitations imposed by culture's patterns of trying to make too much too static, with luck and practice, we can access our insightful/connected side to various degrees.

Especially with natural feeling harmonics, and system/rooms that are resolving and balanced enough to suck us into the musical experience, "intellect" and cultural conditioning tend to relax, awakening deepening potential for awe in the experience of the music. The conditioned mind freer, our more fluid and broader collective nature is excited, enlivening deeper awareness and discernment, which supports refinement of decisions toward making things even realer, more seductive. Once activated, the process can literally "enlighten us," neurological channels opening and lighting up, potentially awakening experiences and realizations of things we don't yet "know." Joining in the creative.... and creation in its purer form being the making of something truly new... isn't this what happens with every adjustment we make in our system/rooms, the complex becoming something it has not been... a new beginning.

As so many of us here experience, a great audio setup can do just this, enliven the processes of seeking natural and real feeling musical experiences that can awaken and enlighten our deeper nature.... freeing and engulfing enough for new experiences and insights into the beauty to help us feel good. I have found the right balances and amounts of minerals in the right places can help this!

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Reply #51 - 06/03/25 at 17:22:18
 
Fantastic and excellent post Will.
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Reply #52 - 06/04/25 at 02:13:07
 
Thanks Lon. I am glad you like it!
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Reply #53 - 06/04/25 at 11:04:28
 
I hear what your saying will. One size does not fit all though. A defeatist outlook is more personality related from my point of view. Taking time to understand what is confrounting will open doors to how it relates to other things.

After some more research into piezoelectric, I found that cellular structure is responsible for the unique quality of quartz generating electron flow when compressed or struck. Quartz bends when electron potential is applied. Quartz does not generate any heat when deformed.

Wood has the same unique guality of quartz because of it's cellular structure.

The above might be the reasoning why quartz size matters and tightly placed in wood grounding boxes.

Come to think of it wood structure might be the reason why ZF15L's sound so lively.

My 5 pounds rocks(quartz).



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Reply #54 - 06/04/25 at 17:27:34
 
Yes, I have fun looking into how things work too. But when it comes to this sort of thing, which can be approached from countless angles really... whether looking into age old traditions using minerals and metals for energetic modifications, or more from a lens of material or chemical sciences, or from lots of variants of physics, even neurophysics, etc... when dealing with subtle energy as it interacts and relates to so many things, it can get pretty vast fast. And "conclusive" opinion from whatever view almost always gets personalized and biased, often confusing things. So I like to dip into whys but when it feels like it starts "falling into the weeds" for me, I tend to fall back on experiential exploration.

Seems we me might be playing on the edges of thoughts and experiences relative to the BG-01, and maybe a DIY like thread... but a quick one relative to size. Your picture being five pounds, those do seem like pretty big pieces. It will be interesting to "hear" them. I have played with some like those and even a lot bigger, in part with lots of various rocks with quartz around here. Also crystals proper.

But as I said earlier, these days I tend to explore this pretty loosely based on having gotten some senses of some of the effects from different materials, sizes and blends over time... So these are rough impressions, but hopefully somewhat useful.

I suggested ±1/4" tumbled as a start because, in audio gear and cable applications, I find this size and shape range tends to be strong enough that pretty small amounts can be readable, while having relatively open sonic qualities... showing what I think of as pretty balanced representations of each mineral's effects.

Bigger, I think tends to have a broader feel and effect in broader space. And finer ground, to powders, I think, tends to feel more powerful and dense or concentrated in effects locally anyway.

Mix different sizes, bigger to finer, and/or those different sizes being different minerals, I am thinking these can also contribute to feeling more concentrated and/or powerful, though with more layers of effects. Or put them in compression, like with shrinking casting resins, this too seems to make the effects feel stronger per material, whether the combination is prone to a broader effect or more concentrated/focused feeling. And adding metals of various types, sizes and shapes can be interesting... and on and on.

Rough ideas anyway.
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Reply #55 - 06/05/25 at 12:24:09
 
Thanks for your input and experience. Yes, it is that gut feeling in the weeds that I learned over the years to trust! I was thinking of breaking the lot of quartz into smaller pieces.
The tray was used to sort the quartz per color and texture. Those will be placed in bags, identified, and stored until this winter. A new thread will be started when a box is made and filled with stones.
I like the description of your assembly. It just makes good practical sense.
Have a great summer.
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Reply #56 - 06/05/25 at 20:35:32
 
Have you guys ever looked into using rock salt?

From what I have heard, the crystalline shapes of the salt allows it to align into multi amorphis shapes that allow it to absorb unwanted vibrations.

Sorta, kinda, like a bass trap but with a wider bandwidth.

It is cheap and easy to get. Maybe buy 20 lbs and try it out.

From what I gather, you would place it in a open topped container in the corners to begin with to see the results, then then try it around the room to see if it works better in other places.

I guess the worst thing would be if it didn't work you could throw it on your sidewalk next winter!
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Reply #57 - 06/05/25 at 21:13:37
 
I have used rock salt when I built my 3 ground boxes with good results. Quartz would have cost much more and after researching I discovered several recommendations for combining rock salt and ground charcoal. Also added some small tourmaline stones, graphite powder, some quartz crystals. ~ 70% salt, 20% charcoal, 10% other.  No magic recipe here…
Made 2 smaller boxes for each speaker and 1 larger box for my components.  Never thought to use crystals to act as room treatment.  Have tried using crystals and Shuntite on components, cables and shumann generators. Not sure I hear much of a difference but I leave them in place since I have them.  Fun to tinker but with so many variables.  
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Reply #58 - 06/08/25 at 12:05:57
 
The one salt that displays piezoelectric effect is rochelle. Rock salt and charcoal could very well help in absorbing bass.

My interest here is cleaning up interfering high frequency resonance in harmonics. In my opinion, quartz and other piezoelectric materials can do just that and provide more clarity to our systems.

Just found out that balsa wood soaked in a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and acetic acid(vinegar) will break down it's cellular structure. The result will enhance balsa wood's piezoelectric properties hundreds of times.

Thanks for the lead on salts Smiley
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Reply #59 - 06/11/25 at 10:59:11
 
In response to GroovySauce (5/7/25) sorry for the delay in responding. I've been out of pocket with a lot of travel and family activities. In fact we have recently returned from a two week trip to Ireland and enjoyed some wonderful weather.

The GCude has been a wonderful addition to my system. Streamed music has never sounded better with the much lower noise floor. With a Roon update yesterday, I was simply gasping in disbelief at the realism of the music. Everything just sounded right.

So as the Monkees sang, 'I'm A Believer".

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