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Re: New product for MM cartridges
Reply #50 - 03/24/25 at 18:33:43
 
Steve was posting pics of this at 3:00AM? Talk about burning the midnight oil!
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Reply #51 - 03/27/25 at 12:15:35
 
Just an observation:

When viewing the forum without signing in the time noted on posts is based on Greenwich Mean. When signed in it is based on your ISP's geographic location.

Steve had time for a good night sleep. Hopefully cracking the whip in the morning moving amps Grin
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Reply #52 - 04/01/25 at 01:25:13
 
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Seems with an amplification of 14 the latest version can take the place of a step up transformer on some moving coil cartridges.


Glad you brought that up.  I made the first unit with adjustable input impedance and dropped it down low enough to work with moving coil and was less than impressed.  It did not sound better than using the moving coil transformer.  I used the Fidelity Research FR7f and matching step up transformer for the test.

What does sound good is running the output of the step up transformer into this cartridge amplifier.  In fact it takes it to another level exactly like it does the Moving Magnet cartridges.  So, this is where the name "Zen Cartridge Amplifier" will be coming from.  It is not specifically designed for moving magnet but moving magnet OR moving coil/step up transformer combination.  Basically it is set up for a 47K input.

I put the order in yesterday for the ZCA chassis at our Illinois metal working supplier assuming anything that creeps up in continued testing can be easily solved without a brand new chassis.

Also, on another note, I don't remember if I mentioned this or not, but this unit can be used as a tool for evaluating tonearms.  You simply turn your system volume all the way up and the ZCA volume all the way up.  At this level you can just about hear a nat fly past the tonearm, so tapping on it, scratching it with your fingernail, touching the arm board, all can be very enlightening especially when comparing one arm to another.  Whatever you hear, dull textured sound vs. tiny reverberant sound is going to be super imposed on the music at a very subtle level.  One that you could never isolate and hear during playback but a sound that will be excited by the midrange frequencies in the music that match the sound you hear during the scratch and tap testing.

So all is going well so far.  Battery life on this second unit as predicted is going to be poor.  I'm still working out how poor.  I have changed the batteries once so far by setting an arbitrary cut off point of 5 volts.  I should see how low I can get it, but I don't have time to wade into distortion and lower output because it will skew my judgement of it and right now there are things about it I like better than the first version.

I may experiment with a 6 volt DC jack on the rear as an option so that a person could use that in place of the D-Cell batteries.  I am waiting to see how long the 9 volt battery lasts before I do anything.  No charging circuit in this one, don't want the complexity and don't want to limit battery types.  If I add a jack it will be for an external regulated linear power supply that a customer could supply.  They are popular on ebay and aliexpress for a couple hundred bucks.

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Re: New product for phono cartridges!
Reply #53 - 04/01/25 at 01:29:00
 
Sorry JBzen, there was a glitch in the forum when I was quoting your post and now your post is gone.
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Reply #54 - 04/01/25 at 09:59:49
 
Thats OK Steve. It was probably unintentional misleading li(n)es anyhow Roll Eyes

I am looking at several new tables some with MC cartridges included. Your sediment about the use of a MC with the ZCA is noted.

I think an optional power plug is a good idea adding flexibility.
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Reply #55 - 06/05/25 at 14:53:03
 
Based on what I’m reading here, it would seem that this new Zen box would be the go-to addition for a TT-only system, surpassing anything a ZSTAGE might bring to the table.  Would there be any utility in having both in the chain?
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Reply #56 - 09/24/25 at 18:49:46
 
Steve,

Any update on the ZCA?
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Reply #57 - 12/24/25 at 21:26:50
 
+1 on following this. Looked like a well thought out, useful, and - well, probably (almost?) finalised device, so it would be nice to see this one released.
Curious as to what it can do for the cartridges and ultimately the sound of the vinyl records.
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Reply #58 - 02/13/26 at 14:48:33
 
The ZCA is now available and I’m really excited to get this new component into my vinyl chain!  I’ll be curious if other vinyl enthusiasts will jump into this as well.
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Reply #59 - 02/13/26 at 16:13:06
 
Site directs it to the normal wait list. I’m not interested in a 3+ year wait for it. Love to try it though.
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Reply #60 - 02/13/26 at 17:23:09
 
The ZCA product page states it will go on the accelerated list.  I’m assuming there are at least ten available right now based on Steve’s previous post that he would build ten to determine final production costs.

Nevertheless, the accelerated list has blown up with Dynagrid orders!
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Reply #61 - Yesterday at 00:43:04
 
Exciting! I have not heard much mention of this in the past few months, and thought that Steve had put it on the back burner. And now, it has been released without fanfare.

I’d love to give this a go, but I wonder if I would get as much benefit, using strictly higher output MM carts. It just seems that this is geared toward low output carts. Am I thinking about this correctly?
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Reply #62 - Yesterday at 10:45:36
 
All of my MM cartridges have high output also. My vinyl loop in the Charoit has almost zero hum issues. Maxing the volume produces very little. Steve does mention raising and lowering the output will have positive effects. Wondering if lowering might increase hum in my case.
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Reply #63 - Yesterday at 11:24:16
 
I’m curious how much this will benefit my system too, which is all vinyl. I have a Rega Apheta 3 cartridge which is a LOMC cartridge. I use a Darlington Labs MP-8B phono stage and a Darlington Labs SU-7. The SU-7 functions as the step up and is supposed to be pretty adjustable. With this setup, it sounds like ZCA would be helpful, though I’m trying to understand if it is duplicative (or additive) of what the SU-7 can do.
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Reply #64 - Yesterday at 15:10:24
 
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Posted by: Alan Arkin      Posted on: Today at 03:24:16

...With this setup, it sounds like ZCA would be helpful, though I’m trying to understand if it is duplicative (or additive) of what the SU-7 can do.


Check out Steve's post #52 above. It sounds like it would be additive to the SUT.
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Reply #65 - Yesterday at 17:18:17
 
His very first post in the design log is truly what captured my attention.  

Particularly this quote: “What gets me excited is knowing that many people with MM cartridges will feel like they have never heard them once they add this head amp.  It will be like taking a $500 cartridge or a $300 cartridge and making it sound like a $1500 cartridge, as well it will be like taking a $5000 cartridge and making it sound like a 15,000 cartridge.”

I’m retired and not looking to spend ten grand on a cart (at least, not today, but jeez, this hobby) and as much as I enjoy experimenting, I really just want to sit back and listen.  I’m hoping the ZCA will have the impact I’m expecting.
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Reply #66 - Yesterday at 18:18:23
 
Thanks for that Bluz. Have you placed an order for one?

If so, you will be the group tester/evaluator. I look forward to your thoughts Wink
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Reply #67 - Yesterday at 21:08:17
 
I just took another look at the product page, and have a couple of questions:

1) the switch on front is an on/off switch?

2) the knob on back is a ground screw? If so, would you ground to this instead of the phono pre?

3) my birthday is coming up soon. Can y’all please pass the hat, and buy one for me? Cheesy
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Reply #68 - Yesterday at 21:55:31
 
Haha!  Yes, I’ll get Geno’s ZCA GoFundMe page up right away!

I’m assuming the switch is an on/off switch based on the fact this is battery operated.  It would appear that the unit will run through some batteries which is a concern, given that I’m almost exclusively spinning vinyl.

I had the same question about the ground screw.  I’m thinking because the ZCA goes between the TT and phono stage then the TT’s ground wire would connect to the ZCA as well.

I have a bit of hum when I’m running my ZP3 into the UFO25, especially at volume, so I’m excited about the ability to reduce the gain on the amp and increasing the gain at the ZCA, thereby lowering that hum.  

I do have one on order and am looking forward to its addition.
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