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Reply #550 - 07/01/25 at 18:15:13
 
Welcome to Team STR JHC! If you're using 2A3s and 866As I'm guessing you've got a STR-104. I agree you ought to try the STR in both the amp and preamp, but you'll need to use the 866As with the UFO, the 2A3s don't have enough juice. I use my STR-1002 with my (non-Decware) pre/headphone amp and couldn't be happier. You've probably already read through this thread but if you haven't I encourage you to do so, there is a lot of interesting experience here.

FWIW the 2A3 is a power triode, similar to the the 300B but lower power. It has a 2.5V filament, there is also a 6A3 tube that is the same except the filament is 6V. They aren't common, but usually cost less than 2A3s and will work with the STR set to 5V if you are interested.

Please keep us updated as you get more experience with the STR in your system.


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Reply #551 - 07/01/25 at 18:24:41
 
I agree you ought to try the STR in both the amp and preamp, but you'll need to use the 866As with the UFO, the 2A3s don't have enough juice.

Yes, that is what I have found. In your opinion how are the 866As? That was another option, but I went with 2A3s instead as an initial tube roll.
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Reply #552 - 07/01/25 at 18:41:54
 
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...In your opinion how are the 866As?


I have indoor cats and (so far) have been unwilling to try any of the mercury vapor tubes so I don't have any direct experience. But it seems like everyone who tries them really likes them.

My system includes two UFO25s and I've toyed with the idea of getting a pair of 104s for them so I can use more of my collection of rectifiers. But that isn't happening any time soon, if ever.
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Reply #553 - 07/07/25 at 00:49:09
 
After a solid week and switching between the 2A3 and 866A tubes a couple things have become clear. As CAJames notes, the 2A3 tubes don't have the oompf to run from my UFO amp. They sound great off the pre, but still not as deep and expansive as the 866As.

According to Al, the closest tube to 866A without the mercury would be the 300B in terms of soundstage, power, and depth which is what I am going for. But that is a rather large financial commitment, even for relatively inexpensive ones. Or maybe it is worth trying the 6A3...

Has anyone run their STR with 300bs? Or familiar with their sound in rectifier position?
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Reply #554 - 07/07/25 at 01:23:24
 
When I used my STR-104 with my Torii Jr.  I settled in with my favorite 2.5v tubes in the Str-104 being a RCA 866a in the rear socket and a 3B22  or a 2A3 (2nd) in the front socket.  My favorite 5v was a 300b paired with a type 83 Mercury tube or 2 866A with adapter.  Go back through this thread 3-6 pages and I posted my experiences with different tubes.
Fyi - Al told me not to use 2-2A3or 2-300b tubes at the same time.  They may sound light and the tubes life would be very short due to driving them too hard. A good sounding great value 300b tube is a Linlai 300b.  $60-70 on ebay or Aliexpress. IMO a high quality expensive 300b  tube would not be appreciated in the STR like an amp or pre.
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Reply #555 - 07/07/25 at 13:49:11
 
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Al told me not to use 2-2A3or 2-300b tubes at the same time.


Yes, this is true if running the STR on a power amp. I am running mine from a SpaceTechLab pre (which sounds really great), so two 2A3s should be fine (at least according to Al). But thanks for this, I re-read some of your earlier comments, I am going to pick up some cheap 3B22, 1616, 83, and 300b tubes and see what works best.
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Reply #556 - 07/07/25 at 18:31:06
 

Just to add to this piece, I spoke with AL recently, and he put it this way:

"...if you are using the STR with a power amp, then putting 2A3 x 2 or 300B x 2 will be more stressful to the tubes. In case if you are using the STR with a pre-amp, buffer, DAC or something not demanding power, then it should be fine and nothing will go wrong."

I've tried one 300B at various times, but in general I have been so pleased with sound from two 872A tubes, that I tend to stay put. Not having kids or pets minimizes my risk.
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Reply #557 - 07/14/25 at 07:23:16
 
After playing around with RCA 805s, Amperex 805, Linlai 845DGs, two different 1616s (RCA, GE), two different 863s (Slayer and EE), my favorite combination has ended up being a Cetron 4B32 combined with a pair of RCA 3B25.  I'm using these in an STR-1002 connected to my Lampizator Pacific. Bass and voices are immaculate. The Cetron 4B32 appears to be a mid-range monster - worth trying for anyone looking to bring the mid range to the fore. The 3B25s bring power and drive and a solidity to images as well as an expanded soundstage. The STR is definitely a winner.
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Reply #558 - 07/14/25 at 15:25:44
 
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Posted by: Adamaley      Posted on: Yesterday at 23:23:16

...The Cetron 4B32...


Very interesting. Because of our indoor cats I've been unwilling to try any mercury tubes but I'm not worried about xenon. I've also said I'm done buying tubes for my STR, but these look like they are practically free compared to the 10V DHTs.

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...The STR is definitely a winner.


+1000. Transformative is the word I keep coming back to. Now I'm looking forward to GroovySauce getting a DynaGrid Rectifier, aka DGR, and doing an external rectifier shootout.
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Reply #559 - 07/14/25 at 19:31:37
 
Ah. Decware Dynagrid - interesting development. A comparison will definitely be worthwhile once Dynagrids show up in the wild.

Yes, the Cetron 4B32 is a lovely tube. There must be something to the Xenons as a replacement for the Mercurys. Every half wave rectifier left me wanting until the 3B25 showed up with its Xenon goodness. My favorite pairing was Cetron 4B32 with 845DG until now. I am looking to investigate the 3B28s soon.

I find that 805s (RCA, Amperex), and 300B (Elrog) simply don't provide enough power to maintain the architecural aspects of the sound for me. The 1616 and 863
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Reply #560 - 07/15/25 at 12:08:58
 
I fully agree with the xenon tube suggestion. In my case, the 3B22. Right now it is paired with an RCA 1616 and it sounds really good. As others have mentioned, its a good pair, mixing the qualities of both tubes. For now, I am happy with these tubes and will continue mixing the 3B22, 1616, and 866A to see what the best combo is.
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Reply #561 - 07/15/25 at 18:12:33
 
JHC--what do you have your 104 plugged into?
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Reply #562 - 07/15/25 at 20:49:55
 
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It's on a SpaceTechLab QA-114. Great amp, lots of tube options with that as well.
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Reply #563 - 07/15/25 at 20:51:51
 
Adamaley said above:

My favorite pairing was Cetron 4B32 with 845DG until now. I am looking to investigate the 3B28s soon.

I'm curious about that 4B32, so I just ordered one. I already have a pair of 3B22s, so I can give them a try.
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Reply #564 - 07/15/25 at 21:05:43
 
The 4B32 appears to be the xenon version of the 872A so I'm curious about your experience, Tony.
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Reply #565 - 07/16/25 at 06:37:09
 
I ordered a pair of the Cetron 4B32 because I only had a single and wanted to hear what a pair would sound like.  What arrived was a pair of Cetron 4B32s with a different structure within - and they sounded different. Sonics were overly smoothed over without the articulate sonorous mids.

I'll post images to illustrate the difference.

The tube below is the one you want



As opposed to this one, which has a metal cap covering the gas internally:

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Reply #566 - 07/16/25 at 15:00:05
 

Adamaley, thanks for the review and clarification. Visually, the tube I ordered appears to be the one you are recommending. It should arrive next week. I will follow with interest your thoughts on using a pair of the 4B32s. In the meantime, I went back to a pair of 866A and a 300B in my STR 1002 and enjoyed the sound. Tonight, I will try a pair of 3B22s in place of the 866As as it has been a while since I have given them airtime.
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Reply #567 - 07/16/25 at 15:24:24
 
I'm glad what you have incoming is the one I spoke about. This is not to say the other variant may not bring something else to the table that could be complemented by another tube pairing to move the needle even further. Unfortunately for me, I now have to buy another Cetron 4B32 that matches internally with my currently preferred one.

A word of caution regarding the 4B32s - Al stresses that they create a lot of heat and their use should be limited to 3-4 hours at a time. I remember someone on here saying it's not an issue as long as you provide sufficient ventilation beneath a raised STR. If a single 4B32 is problematic from a heat standpoint, imagine two...

I have about three types of 3B28s coming in next week. I believe they should be on par with, and hopefully best, the 3B25s.
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Reply #568 - 07/16/25 at 15:26:15
 
It looks like I ordered the "wrong" 4B32s but they were cheap so even if they are horrible (or DOA) it isn't a big loss. They are supposed to arrive Saturday so I'll know soon enough. In any event, typically I need to tune the other tubes in my non-Decware preamp to which the STR is connected to optimize the sound anyway.
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Reply #569 - 07/16/25 at 15:30:46
 
They may very well be better than the other variant from a synergy standpoint in your system with the right pairing. They aren't burned in at all for me. I'll return to them at a later time.
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Reply #570 - 07/18/25 at 16:31:28
 

Yesterday, I received an unused 4B32 that I placed with a pair of 3B22 in my STR and was very impressed with this combination. This is a 4B32 that visually matches Adamaley's preference. I thought the sound was excellent right out of the box and matched the SQ of my 872A pair that has been my favorite throughout. The 3B22 pair has been another favorite of mine, so they may also be contributing. I will have to compare this combination against two 4B32s. I should be able to do next week as I was so delighted with the first 4B32 that I ordered a second, but this will definitely be the last tube I purchase ...,,ever. Cool
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Reply #571 - 07/18/25 at 16:59:41
 
I'm glad they are sounding good to you, and the fact that you feel they match the 872a mercurys is even more rewarding for me because I'll never be in the position to try them.

I'm excited to get my second matching Cetron 4B32. Everytime I pair it with another tube, the sonics elevate. Hopefully it won't be too much of a good thing with two of them.
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Reply #572 - 07/18/25 at 17:08:00
 
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I'm glad they are sounding good to you, and the fact that you feel they match the 872a mercurys is even more rewarding for me because I'll never be in the position to try them.


My feelings exactly. Mine arrived in Arizona this morning so I doubt they'll get delivered tomorrow, but I'm happy to wait. I also ordered a pair of the "preferred" 4B32s that should arrive early next week.

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...but this will definitely be the last tube I purchase ...,,ever.


Me too. Pass the candle.
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Reply #573 - 07/22/25 at 00:45:12
 
Last tubes I'll ever buy.

No, seriously.



Cetron 4B32s. Cold out of the box they sound a lot like the Elrog 845s they replaced. Maybe a little more bass. I'm going to let them cook a little while and then do some actual listening.
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Reply #574 - 07/22/25 at 04:05:49
 
OK, Xenon for the win! After about 4 hours these tubes sound fantastic. Huge 3D sound stage and just the right amount of tube liquidity without excessive warmth. And for pennies on the dollar for what I paid for the 10V DHTs I say run, don't walk to get some. My Cetrons were (in theory) brand new and presumably need some breaking in, but they sound great after 4 hours.

I also briefly tried a pair of the other version, that I'll call "hooded." They were also very good. They were used, so (in theory) didn't need any break in. They had an even bigger sound stage and were a little more aggressively treble forward in my system. I'd probably spend some time tweaking the other tubes in my system to rein that in. But I went back to the preferred "hoodless" to get some more hours on them.

One other thing, I'm not looking up the old post but I believe someone said that AL advised the 4B32s run hot. My experience is exactly the opposite, these are the coolest (in a thermodynamic sense) tubes I've ever used. I didn't think they actually powered on. After 4 hours they were literally the same temperature as when I took them out of the shipping box. The STR is cool as a cucumber as well. Anyone care to confirm or deny my experience?

P.S. If you're going from 10V tubes don't forget to flip the voltage switches. I was so excited to get mine powered up I totally forgot about it, but caught it after a few seconds and no harm done.

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Reply #575 - 07/22/25 at 05:18:18
 
Glad you guys are enjoying them. I think the heat issue is more transformer related than the actual tube itself.
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Reply #576 - 07/22/25 at 11:25:30
 
Where are you getting these open 4B32s from, cant seem to track any down?
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Reply #577 - 07/22/25 at 15:16:31
 

Last night, I compared my two new and unused 4B32s against my favorite pair of 872As in my STR. I started with the 4B32s, listening via Qobuz. I enjoyed these tubes immensely. One of the two tubes had arrived only hours before, so they may need further time to settle in.

Next, I replaced that pair of tubes with the 872As and listened carefully for the next hour or so. Bottom line, I preferred the 872As just a bit more. I thought they were brighter and airier than the 4B32s, which I liked.

Still, they were very close. I give the nod to the flame color of the 4B32s; that violet-blue color was mesmerizing.

I purchased these two online from a seller on eBay. He had four unused 4B32s for $20 each, and I ended up with two. When I checked last night, there were none left from his initial offering
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Reply #578 - 07/22/25 at 15:38:02
 
Thanks for reporting back. Give the 4B32s some burn in time
I started to feel their magic after a few days of listening.

On my end, I've gone deeper down the rabbit hole and ordered a pair of Philips DCX 4/5000 tubes. They are electrically similar to the 4B32 and Xenon filled.
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Reply #579 - 07/22/25 at 17:07:23
 
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...I purchased these two online from a seller on eBay. He had four unused 4B32s for $20 each, and I ended up with two...


I think I got the other two.

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...On my end, I've gone deeper down the rabbit hole and ordered a pair of Philips DCX 4/5000 tubes...


I've been eying some of those as well, looking forward to your experience. Of course, since I'm done buying tubes my interest is purely academic. Pass the candle.
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Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Reply #580 - 07/29/25 at 20:44:03
 
Which 3B22 do folks prefer with their STR?
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Reply #581 - Yesterday at 11:55:04
 
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Which 3B22 do folks prefer with their STR?


I have been using Centrons and have been very happy. Super cool to look at as well.
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Reply #582 - Yesterday at 12:43:45
 
That's what I have. I was hoping for impressions on other 3B22s
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Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Reply #583 - Yesterday at 15:16:32
 

Regarding the 3B22, I also have the Centrons. I did see that
Surplus Sales offered 3B22, Collins Vacuum Tube for $25, and Brent Jesse lists "EL1C" for $20.00. From what I could find, "EL1C" is an equivalent or interchangeable type for the 3B22, not a brand name. Also, according to one source, "the most direct equivalent to the 3B22 is the CV3815."
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