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JOMAN
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Re: Lumin U2 Mini
Reply #50 - 06/14/25 at 23:28:15
 
My digital journey continues...

Recently Lumin released the U2X streamer for a mere $10K+ when taxes are added and I was considering it, not that I'm dissatisfied with the U2 Mini, it's the audiophile nervosa kicking in.   I was also thinking of getting the Jays CDT-MK3.  My current CD source is a OPPO 103D which is connected to my CHORD TT2/M Scaler.  Combined that would amount to well over $12K!

My wife felt that I should consider a lobotomy instead, and, I must admit, there just maybe some merit to the suggestion.  So I started to think and came up with the following... why not try a budget option????  Could such an option satisfy the audiophile nervosa and prevent the neurosurgery???

So here's what I decided to do next...
First the CD transport - S.M.S.L PL200T.  Not too many reviews but it seemed worthy of a try.  I've taken delivery of the CD transport.

Second - a LPS for both the Lumin U2 Mini and the PL200T.  I had a Lumin LPS and liked what it did with the CHORD Qutest.  The Lumin LPS that I'll be getting is a dual output along with a Lumin board.

Total cost of all of the above - $2K.  I'll be doing this part of the journey in steps so that I can hear what each component contributes to what the end result will be.
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Reply #51 - 06/15/25 at 15:50:07
 
Interesting update, as usual.

I'd never heard of the S.M.S.L PL200T, but looks like an excellent alternative to brain surgery. I'm a huge believer in the LPS so it is super cool that you can power the transport with DC. Maybe a little surprising it only need 5 watts, but that's just me. However, it seems like it poses almost as many questions as it answers. I'm also a big believer that AES/EBU and I2S are clearly superior to COAX or Toslink, but you cannot take advantage of them. There is also the optional external clock, which I'm confident would improve performance but also significantly increase the cost. More nervosa...

Let me ask you this, how big a part of your listening life are CDs? For me, I have thousands and they are going to be a big part of my listening forever. So, after having an Audiolab 6000CDT for a while I bit the bullet and got a Jays CDT2, and consider it well worth the money. I use the AES/EBU output and haven't (seriously) considered any changes to my digital playback in years. So, to me, and strictly JMO/FWIW/YMMV and all that, if CDs are incidental to streaming in your world the PL200T, possibly with an external clock, ought to be plenty. But, if you decide you really want an endgame CD transport I highly recommend the Jays.





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Re: Lumin U2 Mini
Reply #52 - 06/15/25 at 15:58:32
 


JOMAN, I am interested in your LPS project for the Lumin U2 Mini. I picked up a U2 Mini a couple of months ago and configured it with the SDFB. Is the "dual output along with a Lumin board" you mentioned the one demoed by Alvin in one of his videos? Where did you purchase that LPS?

Let us know how it goes, and good luck becoming more frugal Smiley
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Reply #53 - 06/15/25 at 17:08:09
 
My two cents is that with the high quality and transparency of the sound of the Decware components the very best source (of any kind) that one can arrange will yield the very best results. That's all I would say. I had to spend way way way too much to get to a point where I was willing to stop and then tailor the system in other ways--for me it was the combo of the PS Audio SACD transport and the DSD Mk II DAC--I've reached a jaw-dropping level beyond which I have not been able to afford to reach, and have happily stopped there. The difference between previous "compromised" components was larger than I anticipated.

My advice, reach for the stars, the furthest ones you can.
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Reply #54 - 06/16/25 at 00:36:51
 
I think that I should put a little more context into my previous post on the digital journey...

For me this is not about an endgame CD transport but a continuation of testing some the conclusions that I was sure would be final.  Eg. at one time I was absolutely sure that digital would never be as satisfying as analogue.  This journey has shown me that a lot has changed with digital and although different from analogue, for me, it is very satisfying.  Another conclusion that I was absolutely sure would never change was that integrated components would never produce end game results.  The Chord Hugo TT2/M Scaler combination trashed that conclusion.  Those working in tandem are a DAC, preamplifier and headphone amplifier that are capable of end game results and although not budget, taking into consideration the cost of three separate components, the cost is justifiable.  In time, before I conclude the journey, I may once again consider the DCS Lina and the WEISS 501 or 502 which are "integrated" digital components.

Recently I came across the Lumin U2X and read some reviews stating that it was better than the Lumin U2 Mini.  I started to think about selling the U2 Mini and getting one until a voice in my head said "are you insane spending an additional $10K??? " (or was that my wife?). Is the U2X really going to be that much better than what you currently really enjoy???  So why not just add a LPS and Lumin Board???  

During this time I was also giving thought to getting a CD transport.  Reason... I have been using my OPPO 103D as a universal player.  While it does very well with Blu Ray concerts, there is a difference when spinning CD's, not as good as with Blu Ray concerts.  I had settled on the CEC TL5 but the difference in price for one bought through the distributer in North America and one from Europe really ticked me off.  Either way it was going to be a direct buy for me so why the extra $$$$$$$$$$????

That's when I came across the S.M.S.L PL200T.  From what limited information that was available it appeared to have a solid chassis as good as many others or better, a very strong transport and mechanism along with a decent array of digital output jacks.  Seemed to be a good starting point, a good test subject for $499.00 USD delivered!  I have one and let me tell you, there's nothing that was exaggerated about its build.

The bonus is that I can get a LPS with a dual output that can power both the Lumin U2 Mini and the S.M.S.L. PL200T.  Evidently a LPS takes the PL200T up several notches.  I guess I'll see.

The test then is, will the PL200T be better than the OPPO 103D when spinning CD's and will it be enjoyable enough or will I have to get a Jays???

I will post the results, perhaps someone else can benefit.

As for the LPS... it will be the Plixir Elite BDC MKll.  Getting it from a Canadian Dealer - The Gramophone Inc.
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Reply #55 - 06/16/25 at 21:39:09
 
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Posted by: JOMAN      Posted on: Yesterday at 16:36:51

...The test then is, will the PL200T be better than the OPPO 103D when spinning CD's and will it be enjoyable enough or will I have to get a Jays???


Spoiler Alert: It will be better than the OPPO, and be very enjoyable. Then you will start to wonder how much better it could be with the Jays. This is what Audiophile Nervosa looks like.
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Sumiko Pearwood -> Mapleknoll Athena -> Luxman SUT -> Mapletree Phono 3E
STR-1002 -> Woo WA22 -> 2x UFO25s, balanced monos
Omega SAM , Hifiman Arya, Audeze LCD-XC
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Reply #56 - 06/28/25 at 19:06:05
 
I have already encountered an unexpected delay in my evaluation of the S.M.S.L PL200T transport.  My thinking was that the S/PDIF cable should be a cable that was a little more than entry level to match the PL200T.  I should have known better, I do know better but I wasn't thinking and that always costs.  The cable of choice should have been a match to the TT2/M Scaler not a "match" to the PL200T.  

Here's what happened.  Some time ago I picked up the Lumin U2 Mini and connected it to the TT2/M Scaler with a Vermouth Audio Reference USB cable along with the UFO25 and I'm now used to what that combination does.  I should mention that I'm running the TT2/M Scaler in the Dual BNC configuration using a pair of Wave Audio Storm Reference BNC cables.  The OPPO 103D digital stream was connected with a QED Quartz optical cable into the TT2/M Scaler.  I was surprised at the level of performance with that optical cable and although not entirely to my satisfaction it was "good enough" until I got around to replacing it.  Since I listened primarily to the streamed contend I forgot about getting a cable for the OPPO, until now.

I decided to replace the QED optical with a S/PIDF cable that I decided to buy thinking that it should be good enough, a Wireworld Starlight 10.  Actually not a bad cable as it turns out but definitely not suitable for me and my system.  Simply stated it lacked the transparency and nuance that I am so accustomed to and cannot do without.

The difference was strictly due to the cables.  The downstream components and cables were very happy to bring that to my attention.  As I stated earlier I knew better but wasn't thinking, yes it was a stupid moment, or two.  So now I'm in the process of getting the cables that I should have from the beginning and untiI decide which cables to get and actually get them the experiment is on hold.

Perhaps this experience may be of some benefit to others.
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