will
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My room is pretty big, but perhaps I have a different view being a gain rider for optimal sound, never using a pre specifically as volume. And I find I can get into distortion in many ways, by pushing any of my gains too hard in concert with the others being borderline.
I use the CSP3 in front of the Torii entirely for the best sound I can get from the CSP3-Torii interaction. Also, in my system/room, my Torii (and CSP3 to some extent) are toned back with milder tubes, so not full power. And with the HR-1s in this space, I can get close to distortion edges near my preferred serious listening levels no matter how I adjust the gains.... The way I have the pots on the CSP3 set, the Torii, CSP3, and ZBIT master gains all end up near or past 3 o'clock, and the Torii usually within a few notches of the top when doing serious listening.
Just to say, all this depends on a lot of things, and starting with known settings, and then experimenting was the best way to find your best gain balances and sound for me.
In case gain riding interests you, I am copying part of a post I made in another thread:
"I am a huge fan of two gain stages personally. In fact I typically use what are in effect three gains....a ZBIT (adjustable balanced out from DAC, wide open is the DAC voltage out, so gain adjustment is attenuation, but quite useful for balancing gains), a CSP3, and a Torii. I have never used my Zstage or CSP3 for a volume control, instead using them as gain balancing adjustments for "gain riding." In my case, the Torii IV sounds more-or-less neutral at different volumes, so to me it is the best "volume control." Whereas, the pre stages I use, especially the CSP3, there is a quite meaningful amount of tonal/density variation depending on the voltage out of the CSP3, and how that effects the amp sound. This can be a great tool if baseline gains are set between them to be about neutral, and then adjust the CSP3 to tune/optimize the signal intensity as a means of improving on the many different recording styles we hear.
Keeping an optimal listening volume while riding the gains between the CSP3 and Torii, more CSP3/less Torii, gives a more intense signal...more density, weight, dynamics, more bass and more lucidity....better for leaner recordings. And less CSP3/more amp gain, the signal goes lighter, leaner, less intensity of weight, bass, dynamics, lucidity.....better for thicker recordings. I have mine tuned so that I can go too lean and too intense, giving a wide range in the middle for gain tuning on the fly, often making a few little adjustments for most albums at this point."
Hope this helps some.
Will
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