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New Reference speaker from Lii Audio !!!
12/13/20 at 04:13:34
 

I now have the updated reference speaker from Lii Audio with the new 'Silver 10 drivers', a replacement for the prior 'Crystal 10 drivers'...

OMG

I feel relatively comfortable saying it's the best sounding full-range crossoverless speaker I've heard to date. It's in a whole new league now.  

This is with 52 minutes of low volume play time so far.  Yes I said minutes.  And see, this is how it always is when something is super right... it sounds that way even without break-in.   Rare, but real.

I'll update this thread as I get more listening time in over the holidays and post some pics.  Meanwhile you can see them on the Lii Audio website.  

https://www.lii-audio.com/product/one-pair-10-inch-full-range-drivers-and-cabine...



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Reply #1 - 12/13/20 at 04:32:00
 

I can't believe what I'm hearing.  Everything sounds so real.  The body and weight and midrange bloom and nuts detail in the top end is just insane.  

In fact right now I'm listening to 'AVRATS' on 'Converging Vegetarians' by 'Infected Mushroom' and realizing it's the best highs I've ever heard!  Just amazing.  Never heard a tweeter this good, and then the bass part came in and I literally gasped.

Damn, this is going to be a good Christmas season!

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Reply #2 - 12/13/20 at 04:45:49
 
The imaging is insane as well.  Speakers on the long wall about 7 feet between the speakers.  Soundstage is 27 feet wide, the width of the room.  Can't tell where the speakers are and everything is so pin point focused it's almost disarming.

So there, I've captured my first impressions, during the first magic hour or two when your mind only hears what's different before it readjusts and everything melts into the new norm.  First impressions are everything in my business of designing stuff.  When it smokes your brain in the first hour instead of torment you with false promise, you know it's real.

The bass of these speakers that I've bragged on in the past has just taken on a new quality and depth that is just - rare.  If the world could get a subwoofer to sound like this everyone would think it was some kind of new technology.  

2 watts literally makes the concrete shudder and the whole building breath during low bass passages, all at a normal listening volumes.  It's so natural... never heard a full-range point source that dropped below 30 Hz with so much weight it moves the whole room.  It's so fast.  So fast.  Sounds like the Acoustats that I own with the 5000V direct drive servo-charged tube amps connected directly to the panels.  It's that kind of fast.

Speaker should probably have been named the Lii Audio Holy Grail.

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Reply #3 - 12/13/20 at 07:38:56
 
Nice, its a copy from musical affairs, with phy drivers.
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Reply #4 - 12/13/20 at 07:44:41
 
Wow, Steve, that's high praise, coming from you. I'm wondering how you would compare these new speakers to the Zen Master Series with the Lii Audio F15 drivers. Your comments lead me to believe that maybe the new ones go higher and deeper than the open baffles. Am I reading that right?
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Reply #5 - 12/13/20 at 13:05:23
 
BH,
I love Steve's enthusiasm on the new drivers. His endeavors are great two way open ended entertainment, I treasure. He got me wondering on this one now...damn it! I was set on using the F-15s in open baffles and he pulls this out of his hat! But, and you know there is a but...any speaker in a box leads to a tiny room within a listening room. It will need treatment to overcome the limiting space just like the listening room. Double trouble in my view.
After some thought, the F15's are still a go in open baffles for the Zen setup. Open baffles give a real reproduction of music and leave the listener just the room to deal with in treatments. F15s are light and fast with plenty of area to reproduce the lows without augmentation.
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Reply #6 - 12/13/20 at 13:13:24
 
Wow, Lii Audio has come out with another winner. Sounds like the new Silver 10 will occupy extended listening time at the 2021 Decfest.

Regarding the F15 open baffle set up, I found that the stock driver terminals really restricted the treble response. Removing them and inserting KLEI copper terminals just opened up the higher end.

Yes it needs to be done carefully and voids the driver warranty.

I hope that Lii Audio has changed out the driver and speaker terminations on there new speakers, it was the only weak link on the F15's I found.

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Reply #7 - 12/13/20 at 13:39:34
 
Those are pretty in the dark wood.
46.85" tall and  23.62" wide, pretty big too.

I guess I like them like my women, dark and tall, lol.
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Reply #8 - 12/13/20 at 13:39:46
 
'Lil audio strikes again!
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Reply #9 - 12/13/20 at 16:34:13
 
HK, note taken.
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Reply #10 - 12/13/20 at 22:13:59
 
This is very interesting.  I am about to pull the trigger on a new pair of drivers.  I am considering Audio Nirvana Super 8 Plus alnico ($1,495 per pair), Lii Audio Silver 10 ($1,199 per pair), and Cube Audio F8 Magus ($2,800 per pair).  Has anyone heard or compared these speakers?  Thoughts on the Silver 10's predecessor, the Crystal 10, also would be appreciated.

For reference, I am currently using Audio Nirvana Class 8 Ferrite drivers, which I like very much.  But I am ready to move up!  And I just got my first tube amp, a SE84UFO2, about 2 months ago, and I am loving it.


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Reply #11 - 12/14/20 at 02:13:18
 
Wow, those look awesome.

I'm 450 miles away.  Hope for a better 2021 and Decfest opportunity!
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Reply #12 - 12/14/20 at 16:36:09
 
ovs-audio, it's actually nothing like the Musical Affairs speaker.  The Lii cabinet has a bottom, has a tuned duct in the rear.  Classic 4th order design.

Bottlehead, yes that's the advantage of a large cabinet - they go much lower than the Zen Master Series open baffles featuring the F15 driver.  Much higher as well.  Significantly faster.

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Reply #13 - 12/15/20 at 01:26:12
 
esewell,
I am attracted to the new Lii Silver-8 @ $400 pair. But not as much Bass as the 10 inch.

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Reply #14 - 12/15/20 at 22:35:11
 
Brian,

  Have you heard the Lii Silver-8?  Do you have any idea why the Silver-10's cost three times as much as the Silver-8's?

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Reply #15 - 12/16/20 at 02:12:47
 
Do they offer grills to protect the speakers from little hands of my kids?
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Reply #16 - 12/16/20 at 03:07:15
 
Lii audio does not offer grills. Parts Express does. A pair of waffle mesh grills and mounting hardware will cost you less than $20. It may affect the sound quality, but small finger holes and rips would be worse.
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Reply #17 - 12/16/20 at 06:09:54
 
Despite only being phone recordings, these are some of the best speaker demo's I've done.  Flipping the room 90 degrees and putting the speakers on the long wall like most people will have to do gives a more accurate representation.  In the case of these speakers, it fills in the mid bass that was lacking in the previous demo of this same cabinet.  

The sound is incredible.  It's as big as the room.

You are listening to a 3000.00 pair of speakers that sound like 30,000.00 speakers.  Driven by a single 2.3 watt Zen Triode amplifier. $1295.00 for that.  This is by far the most impressive speaker for a Zen Triode amplifier - ever.


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Reply #18 - 12/16/20 at 12:02:09
 
Sounds great Steve. Very detailed and full bodied. Love the kick drum on the 2nd track. Very good vocals from the Temptations. Violin track is detailed and rich...as well as the acoustical guitar track.
Kitty cat is aroused! That's a good sign.
Not convinced those would play well in the Charoit though.
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Reply #19 - 12/16/20 at 13:37:02
 
Steve,

      I have been very interested in these speakers for some time now but have reservations with the size of my room. It’s relatively small at 10’x12’ and wonder if these would just not work in that amount of space. I’m currently using the alnico Betsy baffles with great success but would like to upgrade to these eventually. Any insight is much appreciated.

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Reply #20 - 12/16/20 at 18:01:36
 
In a 10x12 space I believe it would be challenging compared to a larger room.  To get the sound I am hearing you would have to put diffusers on all four walls bass traps in the corners and have a dedicated listening chair in the exact correct location and with all that it will feel somewhat like a head vise system whereas with the open baffle, the rear wave washes the walls and makes the room sound bigger than it is.  My advise is stay with what you have, save these for a bigger room.

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Reply #21 - 12/16/20 at 19:18:10
 
I have been intrigued by these speakers (the complete build available from Decware not just the drivers).  Could these be used on the short wall of a 19x12ft room with speakers very close to corners (7.5ft ceiling height)?  I would not be opposed to adding some GIK bass traps if needed.  That is about the only way I could get a speaker of this size granted permission for the living room Smiley
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Reply #22 - 12/16/20 at 20:22:28
 
Hi Jeff,

Yea, I think that would probably work.  Since these speakers have a large duct instead of a port, they tolerate placement to the walls better.  Also the speakers are not mid-bass heavy so as you can hear in the videos up against the wall the response is ideal.  Worse case is you would have more bass than you're used to., but again with traps even that can be overcome.

BTW, welcome to the forums!

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Reply #23 - 12/17/20 at 00:46:40
 
Thanks Steve for sharing these recordings! Does indeed sound fantastic even with this smartphone recording. I like the fuller mids compared to the crystal 10 recordings.
I'm looking for a new speaker for my new living room next year, big room with open to the 2nd floor, and this one is in the top 3 of my speakers to listen too:).
Is one SE84 enough do drive it loud levels in large rooms, or would you recommend having two of them in mono configuration?
Also, looks like your cabinet is not the new one with the upgraded wood and high gloss finish, correct?

Thanks for spending the time to review and test these speakers even if someone else built them  ;) , highly respect that!
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Reply #24 - 12/18/20 at 13:14:05
 
thank you for the response Steve ... are there less issues with the finish on the latest model?  I believe you had mentioned at one point the finish is not perfect but good at the price level.  also how does the Silver 10 compare to the Crystal 10 driver?  Do you ever offer demo speakers for sale from Decware?  $3k is still a lot of $$$ for my budget (healthcare workers are not paid what they should be!)
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Reply #25 - 12/18/20 at 16:48:28
 
The original cabinet design used MDF and my pair did in fact have a couple small cosmetic flaws as a result.  Now they are being made from solid plywood with a heavy lacquer finish so I'm sure they will be fine.

This pair may become available this winter or in the spring... however they would only be sold to someone who can come and pick them up.
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Reply #26 - 12/19/20 at 02:19:40
 
esewell
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No, I have not heard any of the Lii speakers.
I thought perhaps the extra cost for the Silver-10 and Crystal-10 is a premium for buying the top model.

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Reply #27 - 12/19/20 at 02:55:46
 
They are more expensive than the other speakers but, compare cost to sound and they are very inexpensive!!
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Reply #28 - 12/20/20 at 15:49:28
 
I wonder if anyone has made any of the speakers they they show plans of on their website?

Maybe I can look into some of them next year.

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Reply #29 - 12/20/20 at 16:17:37
 
I’ve been following posts about these on FB...Torn between Cornwalls and these, i know, i know, totally different sound signatures...
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Reply #30 - 12/20/20 at 16:28:34
 
Donnie,

I had made the Crystal 10 enclosure before putting them into an open baffle. I added more bracing and the whole cabinet still vibrated like crazy. The low end output also dropped off like a stone off a cliff. I would say 60-70hz it went straight down.

It did give me a taste of what the C-10 were about and made me very excited about putting them in an open baffle, which is very nice.

For a driver of the C-10's caliber I say that box design let's it down.
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Reply #31 - 12/20/20 at 21:11:53
 
Groovysauce,

           What type of OB did you use them in?

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Reply #32 - 12/20/20 at 23:14:52
 
Adam,

I started to copy PAP Trio 15 style.



That project is in another country, so it's on hiatus for now.

Here is a messy picture as far as I got. W15's are planned for those 15" holes.



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Reply #33 - 12/20/20 at 23:23:28
 
Nice. I look forward to your impressions once finally finished!
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Reply #34 - 12/31/20 at 20:24:04
 
This is very interesting news.  I thought the Crystal 10s were my end game speaker drivers but if I can simply swap these in for the Crystal 10s without changing anything in the build, it is tempting to try them.  The question is going to be cost vs improvement in sound quality.  

For what it's worth, I found that the W15s were very easy to match with the Crystal 10s in a single baffle build.  I am sure a speaker builder with more experience could do better but I am thrilled with the results. Here is a link with a picture of them:


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Reply #35 - 01/02/21 at 06:04:58
 

UPDATE

The new Silver 10 drivers in the updated reference cabinets have been paired with the new TORII JR.ver2 for the past two weeks.  This is an incredible synergy let me tell ya.  Wow.  

Last week I had really good Tungsol Kt66s in it, and this week, some inexpensive NessTone EL34's for some contrast and damn, I don't know which actually sounds better because the sound of this amplifier on these particular speakers is so disarmingly good...

Well anyway, I have been really getting off on the combination and tonight just to really top things off I added the ZROCK2.  What this device does to the midrange tonality, overall weight and sparkle without ever even a hint of an edge is simply amazing, no magic!

This combination is the very definition of liquidity and intoxicating musicality.  It almost doesn't matter what you play, you just find yourself cheesing big time because it sounds so completely right and did I say complete?  When you have bass performance this low and with this much definition and tone you find yourself looking over your shoulder a lot because you feel like your doing something illegal.

So there you go, affordable dream system:  Lii Audio Reference Speakers delivered to your door for around 3K.  This particular amp around 2.5K, ZRock2 with mods around 1K and a Cambridge CXNv2 DAC/Streamer about 1K... preamp completely optional.

These speakers paired with these electronics is the definition of audio nirvana.  It leaves nothing.  You will have no subwoofer in the house. Interestingly, while a TORII JR.v2 is a lot more power than a Zen amp, I am not hearing any difference in power at my room filling listening levels.  It's just the wonderful tone and musical animation this amp seems to have now with the new bias and other mods.  But I could swap back in the 2.3 watt Zen Triodes and be just as happy. What can I say, the sound is just glorious.  It's so rich and deep and colorful and focused. You would think by now I would get used to it, but as you can see I obviously don't.

It always feels like the first time.

Interestingly I was going to start this post with the realization that when the sound is good, life is good.  I feel good, my mood is good, time slows down a bit.  But when sound is just OK, life seems to be just OK.   When I think about how much money and blood I've put into my '72 muscle car over 25 years and divide the hours by this kind of joy, the comparison is really bleak.  I should have spent that money on this -- a long time ago.

God I love this hobby, and because I can share it the pleasure is greatly multiplied!  There is no question at times like this that if presented with the unfortunate choice of losing you eyes or your hearing, I would have to keep my hearing.  My ears are my eyes.

Boy talk about getting sidetracked... the motivation for writing this was the ZROCK2 and the shear magic it brings to high resolution speakers.  It is the king of transparent tone.  Dripping liquidity.  Scale and weight.  Dimensionality and musicality.  I marvel at it now more than ever.  If I ever built this into an amplifier or preamplifier it would be so unfair.

Happy New Year!

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Reply #36 - 01/02/21 at 12:17:14
 
Hold on a minute, Steve. Are you implying that a ZROCK will fix the CXNv2 shortcomings?

Your enthusiasm as well as others on this forum is infectious! It makes me want to jump in the car and head west for a listen. Then east for another!  But, being stuck in the middle going no where is the reality at this time. Damn Covid19...this is not my vision of retirement.

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Reply #37 - 01/02/21 at 13:57:07
 
Sounds great Steve. I also would love to transport over there and hear this setup!

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Interestingly I was going to start this post with the realization that when the sound is good, life is good.  I feel good, my mood is good, time slows down a bit.  But when sound is just OK, life seems to be just OK.


It is the same for me and sometimes a little scary how related the musical quality and life quality are for me. When things are a little off with a system change, around the edges of finding the beauty balance, but not there, I don't usually notice it until I solve it. Then I notice the contrast, the clarity and openness of mind lifting me out of an imbalance that is a little convoluted/confused...a little dull, thick, edgy. Lively balance in music is frequency medicine for sure to me.


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Reply #38 - 01/02/21 at 14:26:44
 
I go agree with the system and mood connection emphatically! I was in the middle of a capacitor order to upgrade the ZKIT1 for anniversary mods and went down to the Chariot to see if all would fit. That turned out good. Then doing a listing session to check if my choices of capacitors would bold well with the system, I moved some 1312s around and now listening to Holly Cole with lovely results. What a difference moving a couple of diffusers make. I'm in a very upbeat mood now and can't wait for the capacitors to arrive.
Oh! Thanks Will for your great interpretations of sonic differences in capacitors.
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Reply #39 - 01/02/21 at 17:21:30
 
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Oh! Thanks Will for your great interpretations of sonic differences in capacitors.


You are welcome John. Mind you, I have not gone all the way up the cost ladders with some companies, or even tried some of the more costly companies. Luckily, I find you can get the good idea of a cap with bypasses, so less costly to test, and low value caps can awaken further interest (or not) in most cases for me. As examples, I stopped at Mundorf Supreme Silver/oils, Silver Gold EVOs, and Supreme EVO Oils, Clarity MAs, Rike S2, Audyn True Copper max...Duelund I have tried Jam, Tinned-Copper and Silver bypasses, and just now burning in on my Frybaby 2 are less costly .022 JDM Tinned-Copper that I will try in the Torii signal path. Overall, using a revealing, but warmish, dense, and big sounding Torii MKIV, CSP3, and HR1 system, I have not been as impressed with Duelund as I expected. They do a lot right, but when it is as powerfully stated as these tend to be, to me, they dominate the sound with their character, which is so worked out intellectually they seem a little contrived...too right, not like a "no cap" sense I get more from Miflex Copper Oils. But this is a limited sampling, mostly using them in signal paths...and I hear from a friend with good ears that they are great in mid crossovers, where I have done limited experiments with Duelunds. Some day. Guessing they might be much better in systems that need more density and musically resolving warmth. Others on the Frybaby just now are Jantzen Alumin Zs, and Arizona Cactus Reds. I have not tried any V-Caps, though I keep putting some .01 Odams in my cart to try as coupling caps and probably power cap bypasses. There are more... but I wanted to be clear that when I talk about my cap impressions, they are not based on all-inclusive testing.
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Reply #40 - 01/03/21 at 17:31:50
 
For a DIY build, are there dimensions (schematic) for this cabinet on Lii's website?
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Reply #41 - 01/03/21 at 17:36:30
 
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Reply #42 - 01/03/21 at 22:26:43
 
Thank you Donnie. I am considering building this cabinet against building a sealed enclosure for the Lii 15. Sonic differences, etc...
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Reply #43 - 01/03/21 at 22:47:27
 
You must have some mad woodworking skills!  Those bends look really hard to do.
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Reply #44 - 01/03/21 at 22:51:28
 
Well, I might be able to pull it off, but it would be a challenge. That is another reason I am considering the Lii 15 cabinet instead, for ease of build. Just wondering about the sonics of a Lii 15 with enclosed cabinet. I can only find info on the Lii 15 open baffle.
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Reply #45 - 01/03/21 at 23:09:30
 
If a cabinet can improve on the F15 OB then that would be worth having.
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Reply #46 - 01/04/21 at 17:52:40
 
Steve, I am very interested in these speakers. Is there any way you could do a bit of a review using a SE34I.5?

I would love to here your thoughts on 6 watts per channel vs the lower and higher rated output amps you have tested!

Thanks!!!
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Reply #47 - 01/04/21 at 18:18:42
 

I can tell you that at the full bodied listening levels I've tested them at I hear no difference between the 2.3 watt and the 20 watt TORII, so anything in-between will fall into the same category.  You'll only hear the basic signature of the tubes and amplifier itself change from one to another.  

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Reply #48 - 01/04/21 at 18:33:25
 
Thanks for the quick response Steve!

That makes sense. I feel I'm at a cross roads with my setup now. Do I carry on with my Altec 605B's or move them along and go for the Silver 10's in those beautiful cabinets!

The other thing I was thinking was trying the F-15 in the Altec 620 9 cubic foot cabinet?

I'm open to suggestions!
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Reply #49 - 01/05/21 at 04:09:17
 
F-15 in your already existing Altec 620 cabinets is only a $400 trial.
That seems like a good plan to me. So far as suggestions go.

Do you like the sound of these cabinets? Do they have an annoying echo or other flaw?  If it is only a question of size, I think 9 feet is enough internal volume for this speaker.

That is not based on math, only on it seeming big enough.

Probably not the most useful answer, but if I had the money for the experiment, that is what I would try.


Best wishes, Brian
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