Besides the "Sound Drops" fascinating Thread; I just read Steve's new article/paper: "What is Sound."

https://www.decware.com/newsite/articles.html

432 to 440.........why am I not surprised?

From the dogma of western medicine, to what is imprisoned in the Vatican Archives, the advent of the Dead Sea Scrolls, to government suppression....... .

However, does the new generation, that are gifted/smart, have enough time to figure it out? Our dying planet, is their first concern.............the clock is ticking.

I'm sorry, I just don't buy the "shadow government" conspiracy angle.

If Steve grew up listening to a 300 year old organ then his hearing patterns were "tuned" to those frequencies.  Since the "A" was changed from 432 Hz to 440 Hz in 1930, the organ would have been tuned to 432 Hz and so also, his hearing.  People with "Perfect Pitch" presumably are tuned to the 440 Hz scale since that is the standard.  Change the standard and you change "Perfect Pitch."

Also, as far as the numerology, maybe it's all true but mathematics is a man-made system and I'll bet there is some "circular logic" and coincidence going on with the numbers.

I also wonder how this all fits with say, Asian scales that can sound like noise to some of us occidentals.  Nevertheless, that is music and just as (or possible more due to age) valid than the western A = 432 Hz or 440 Hz.

I did hear once, a violinist with a Stradivarius, complain that as music has been "pitched up," it puts more stress on his instrument.  But I'm guessing that taste, not conspiracy, has driven the change in pitch standards.

With all due respect to Steve, the world is screwed up because each individual that makes it up is screwed up.  Time for us all to take responsibility and not keep blaming all powerful conspiratorial organizations -- even for bad sound!  

I'm a firm believer in 432 being the right foundational pitch. Sitting next to my SE84UFO is a Pioneer DJ CD player which I can manually set pitch control. I set it to -1.87 and, boom, I'm enjoying beautiful 432 corrected sounds through my Decware. I also have a computer program to correct to 432 for my downloaded music.

@ donovan: Would you be able to name the software you use to alter pitch on music files please?

@ Syd: Chances are that if we do find other forms of life out there somewhere then maths will be the only thing we do have in common!

@Archie: Your first sentence - ok, that's an opinion you're entitled to. On balance I'd even probably lean towards that point of view myself rather than the opposite. So far so good.

Unfortunately the rest of your comments I have some issues with. A lot of what Steve has written in his article is scientific fact. You can't refute these by using phrases like 'presumably', 'I'll bet', and 'I'm guessing'.

Example: "People with 'Perfect Pitch' presumably are tuned to the 440 Hz scale". In fact perfect pitch is a feat of memory, and the listener, however gifted with this rare skill, still needs a memory of the note to refer to in order to achieve the trick. So, since the change to 440 Hz people with this ability have 'learnt' that 440 Hz is an A instead of the 432 Hz one.

Mathematics is a far more absolute method of communication than, say, the words we use here in the forum. It too can be regarded as scientific fact - testable, repeatable, and unambiguous. If maths says something is true then we should believe it.

Asian music only sounds odd to 'Western' ears because we have been awash our whole lives in music that adheres to certain rules, and we're conditioned to understand music in terms of those rules. In physical terms the sound of non-Western music vibrates us in the same way as any other sound.

I know we're now famously in the post-truth era where science can be refuted by shouting loudly and 'so-called experts' whose pronouncements we don't like are no doubt driven by their shadowy political agendas, but here in this little quiet backwater of the internet I believe a rather more sober, thoughtful approach ought to prevail.

Ok I'm kind of with you on that last sentence too, but that doesn't take away from Steve's beautiful summary of sound and its true place in our lives.

Nikola had the tower for electrical distribution built, but he kept it to himself that it would have been *free* power to the people. Yeah, they didn't like that much. Supposedly the government also absconded with some of Nikola's projects - he was supposed to have worked with the government on the Philadelphia Experiment - but one would think they'd have taken better care of him if that was the case.


https://vault.fbi.gov/nikola-tesla

http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_mispapers.html

Nick,

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I'm not sure what part of my comment you don't like since you seem to be agreeing with me?  I used the word "tuned" and you use the word "memory."  Same thing, no?

Also, when I read something like "scientific fact" to prove a point I see red flags.

You seem to be making my point as far as "Asian music" as well.  It is based on a different scale.  My aim was to point out that 432 Hz may be more of a convention than an absolute Universal Standard.

I use wiggle words since, unlike those who state "scientific facts," I'm never certain that there isn't more out there and I don't want to be thought of as thinking I have all the answers.  

I like Syd's reference to pi since I've always thought that it should be an absolute number and that it doesn't seem to be (out to, I don't know how many decimal places) indicates that our mathematics has some fundamental flaw in it.  But, I'm just an idiot with a computer so I could be wrong.  

BTW, (and this I am sure of) Math is NOT the Universal language.  Love is the Universal language.

Oh, and did my comments provoke this??????:  

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If so, you should be careful not to put your baggage on another.

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Chicken!  

@ Nick

It's called Return To 432

Or if you have Audacity you can use that as well. RT432 was $20 when I got it. Now it is $30.  :( Audacity is of course free.

Nick,

I'm not sure what I said earlier that came across as "rubbishing experts?"  Believe it or not, I have a strong science background.  I think that's where some of my science skepticism comes from -- knowing the limits from an inside perspective.  If you are as conversant in science as you seem to be asserting then you know that strongly questioning what you think you know is at the heart of good science.  My original post was to suggest that Steve hears 432 Hz as "right" can be explained by his growing up with that as his musical standard.  How this relates to a science "shout-down" escapes me.  

To add to the subject of this thread, if Steve has found a fundamental truth about sound, then it must apply to the Earth only since his calculations started from the procession of the Earth on its axis.  I've heard of "music of the spheres" and I'm not sure if this relates.  Perhaps each astronomical body has its own "sound?"  I suppose that the Universe vibrates at some fundamental frequency and so has its own sound too?  The rishis of old came up with AUM from listening to the "original" sound.

 

Thanks Mark.  People are the same whether they are fundamentalists with their religion or their science -- or whatever.  I was inspired early on by Emerson's essay, "Circles," in which he uses a circle for a metaphor for each or our personal universes.  He points out that there is always someone who can draw their circle around ours.  His best line is when he warns, "Beware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet.  Then all things are at risk."!

Good to keep in mind when we start thinking we've got things figured out.    

BTW, my comments above are not pointed at Steve or his paper other than in the most positive way.

You'll love it.  Get his whole set of essays while your at it.

Nick, thanks for clarifying that.  I completely missed your intention the first time around.  I unfairly roped your comments into the more general trend of "blind" science supporters defending against "blind" science deniers.  LOL!    

Just a quick note about Tesla's wireless energy technology- hopefully I won't be killed for this!  :o

It is in my belief that Tesla was trying to excite the natural resonant frequency of the earth's atmosphere, which is known as the Schumann resonance. The fundamental frequency is around 7.83Hz, which is an extremely long frequency. Being an extremely low frequency, this means it can travel extremely far, but we also have to take into effect that exciting this frequency at a single point would effect/energize the entire system, as it's the resonant frequency.

It is also important to note that 7.83hz is in the range of Theta brainwaves, and in the edge of Alpha brainwaves. Both are dominant in meditative and learning states. It's interesting to note that we are being swarmed by 50-60hz energy, as well as all types of radio and microwave frequencies from cellphones, radio stations, radar, etc. Some argue that this has created havoc on the brain. Shield your home, anyone?  :D

Anyway, it is in my belief that swamping the atmosphere with extremely high amounts electrons- or negative ions- at a frequency of 7.83hz would allow attena's tuned to 7.83hz to wirelessly draw power from the charged atmosphere at quite a distance- obviously the square inverse law applies here, although probably less than normal as we are exciting the atmosphere's resonant frequency. It is also notable that sense this frequency is extremely low; one that all life has evolved to- and is correlated with a positive brainwave state- that probably no negative effect would happen- possibly even positive by re-balancing the frequency/ harmonic spectrum of the atmosphere to one we evolved to.

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Dude, almost word for word my gripe. It's this BS that drove home the point that our history, our education, has been...steered.  I had one high school teacher who mentioned Tesla when I was bout 15-16. There was so very little information on him, and I really had to dig into various libraries to find the 2-3 books that existed on Tesla. This particular teacher was a bit of a weirdo, and definitely a free thinker. If he were still around today I'd give him a big damn hug and thank him for causing me to question everything. In a way, that was what sent me down the path of audio, researching SETs, finding Steve, and being where I am today. Pretty good for an offhanded comment from a teacher in woodshop.  ;)

Tesla was at the sticky end of our understanding circuits at tech college. Flux density had to be taken into account. He had a unit of something or other named after him though I dont think it was flux density. We even used "Teslas" as a kind of swear word.lol. Ah the dim and distant.
I`ve seen photo or drawing of his transmission mast, he was far out. Considered too dangerous I think by the Soviets or other powers. The fear was low frequency as a weapon.



Not as bad as I thought. 1.5 Hz

A very interesting find I just came across. I'm still skimming though, but here is a short tidbit at the bottom.

US 6485963 B1 https://www.google.com/patents/US6485963
US 6673597 B2 https://www.google.com/patents/US6673597

"The invention described herein was made by an employee of the United States Government and may be manufactured and used by or for the Government of the United States of America for governmental purposes without the payment of any royalties thereon or therefor."

1. A system for growing biological cells, comprising:
...an electrical current passed through said cell carriers for producing an electromagnetic field within said cell-rich medium...

10. The system of claim 1, wherein said electrical current induces cellular control of growth and differentiation, for suppressing or enhancing growth regulatory functions at gene level...

12. The system of claim 1, wherein said electrical current is associated with a time varying potential... (FREQUENCY!)

"The present invention relates to a system and method for culturing biological cells, such as mammalian cells, within a culture medium. The cells are exposed to an electromagnetic field, which, in the preferred embodiment, is a time-varying electromagnetic field."

FWIW, I have to say that particularly in the last section of the video where Bach's prelude #1 is played in both tunings, the tempered makes my head want to explode.  Literally, it does.

Steve

Yes, the difference was stark!  But what did I just hear?  Was it a simple re-tuning from 440 to 432 Hz?  Or something more?  The narrator seemed to say that even Bach struggled to get those tones -- presumably his instruments were tuned to the 432 Hz scale?

I'm not getting anything like this difference (none that I hear actually) when I pitch down my TT 1.8%.

Thanks LR, that first link helped a lot.  So, that video and Steve's article don't necessarily say the same thing?  That's where I got confused.

I changed my TT pitch based on Donovan's Reply #4 of this thread.  If these are different effects, than pitching down 1.82% might correct for the 440/432 Hz thing but obviously does nothing for the Equal Temperament issue.  Yes?

I may have missed the whole point of his paper.  I thought he was saying that the 432 Hz scale was the right one and that it was screwed up by pushing everything up 1.85% to 440 Hz.

That link made my head spin.  Was it dealing with the same thing as that video Steve posted?  Or was it dealing with the harmonics of a single string whereby the resonances would generally be even fractions -- 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, etc as opposed to multiples of 440 Hz as in the video?  Or should I just stay out of the deep end and leave it to the bigger kids?  

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This statement says a lot.  By examining "modern" life, it's obvious that the problem isn't just limited to the musical scale!

"Be plain and simple to be identical with Nature."  This is a Maxim that I try to live by -- with varying degrees of success.  

I`ve just been reading about clavichord tuning, an instrument Bach used. So many nuances to it that you need to be scholarly to wrap your head round it all. It`s a language unto itsef.
Guitars I understand. We get the concert pitch from the middle C of the piano. Next best is the bassist who never goes out of tune. I rarely use a `aid` or meter, used to have a tuning fork. Once the increments are set at the 12 fret ( one octave above open string ) tuning is simple using the fifth and seventh fret harmonics listening as stone says for the `beat` to disappear while you tune one string to the next. Cant say whether I`m near the `good` tuning or not. I start with the open E string and play around on the 3rd, 5th and open fret till it sounds comfy. Then tune.
Then the fine tuning...by ear. Play  chords anywhere note by note until all sounds good.

That's what I was getting at.  I think anything analog, especially strings - just can't be tuned perfectly. But as I type that, I'm thinking about Steve's giant chimes. They can, individually be tuned really close. So I'm wondering if they have "beating" or chaotic chords.

Hey Lon,

"Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers". One of my all time favorite lines from any poem from any time frame.

Randy