For sale is a Decware Torii Mk3 factory upgraded to a Mk4. As you know, this amp can run your choice of EL34, 6CA7, KT77, KT66, 5881, 6L6, 7027, or 350B power tubes. I've used 807 and 6BG6 tubes on adapters as well. 6922 inputs and 5U4, 5Y3 or 5AR4 rectifiers.

This amplifier sounds superb and is in flawless condition. It comes with a quad of RFT EL34, Phillips PCC88 inputs and new in the box 1940s coke bottle Philco 5U4 rectifiers. This is a much upgraded tube set, and is far nicer than the tubes that ship with a new amp.

This amp has the stepped attenuator option and has had the second input defeated to make the purest signal path possible. This could easily be reversed if desired.

8/10 because I'm the second owner, but there is not a mark on this one and it operates perfectly.

$2400. Questions welcomed, thanks for looking.

Hi Mark,

First, thanks for the comments on the website. I don't currently own 33 amplifiers (thankfully!) but of all the amps I've owned, the Torii is definitely near the top!

Your offer is an incredibly generous overture, but I am not interested in selling back the other components that came with the lot I bought in February. They have become integral parts of my collection just as they were to the seller. I have also been in communication with this gentleman since my purchase and agree that like many here, he is a very open and honorable person. In the spirit of getting this back in his hands, I'll PM you soon and see if we can work out a better deal on the amp as listed.

Your offer and generosity are the kind of thing that makes the Decware community one I have enjoyed participating in for many years now.

Kevin,  I read your post here and your PM.  After a good nights sleep, I have come to the conclusion you are correct. In particular, it was this sentence from your PM that drove it home..."I paid what Steve asked in this deal...I didn't invent the sale, its included items, or its terms."  I now feel it was unfair to interject myself in your sale.  Regardless how I felt about what happened, Steve did receive exactly what he asked. I had tried to point out that he would do much better if he sold the Amp with one set of tubes and sold the other tubes, interconnects, power cable and tube tester separately. I haven't totaled up all the extras but at the time I thought they were probably worth the $3300 asking price without the Amp.

It was also presumptive of me to think that Steve would even want that Amp back.  When he has the funds, he may want something different.  After all there have been two new amps developed, not to mention the UFO transformers, since he originally bought it.  

You should not be asked to accept less than you can get on the open market for what is now your Amp.  I can help Steve by pointing out good deals on other used Decware Amps if he wants me to.  I have seen some outrageously low priced sales in the past.

So I am sorry for acting impulsively on my feelings without putting myself in your shoes first.  I see that the option to delete my posts is still available.  If you want, you and I can both delete our posts.  Just let me know soon, I'm not sure how long this option remains available.  Mark.

Dropping the price for responses on this forum to $2200. That's about as low as I'll go without just keeping this superb amplifier.

Thanks,
Kevin

Hi
Yes it would be good fun to be able to see photos of the amp, im on the lookout for a second amp at the moment. I know you guys really enjoy your Torii amps, but also there are a lot of pepole in here who would say that SET amps are so awesome.. the Zen select is on the top of my shortlist at the moment, but (even though answered earlier, many times I guess) what would be the pros and cons of going to a PP like the Torii? Either way the amp would be hooked up to Omega speakers, i have both floorstanders and monitors with Alnico drivers, one system for TT playing and one for streaming lossless Tidal. One smallish room, 16x16`and one room 16x35, but listening position is 10 feet or so from speakers, and im wondering if a more powerful amp some days (not nights...) would be a better setup than my miniTorii (love it!). If more is better the MT would rund the monitors in the small room, and a Tori would be running my livingroom system with Tidal.

Jorgen,  I would recommend a Torii...either MK III or MK IV.  I have a Torii MK IV but I also have a pair of circa 2008 Zen Signature Monoblocks (2.3 WPC) that I will never sell but if I had to  chose only one it'd be the Torii...Lon describes things better than I do...I agree with his assessment. The Torii gives a bigger, more impactful presentation that I love...especially with my vinyl rig. But the small Zen is wonderful too...it runs only CDs for now.  Mark.

PS...I have used Omega speakers with Alinco drivers with both Amps...they do well with the caveat that they have a forward top end that is emphasized with both Omega speaker pairs I own. I can roll input or output tubes to moderate this effect but not completely to my satisfaction.   I think most people prefer this kind of sound hence the popularity of Omega speakers with Decware owners.

I also have owned a range of Decware's offering including the Mini Torii, the SV83 C+, SV83 based "signature" monoblocks and this Torii Mk4. The good news is that they all sound fantastic, and miles better than a lot of tube amps out there!

In my opinion, if you have super efficient speakers, the SV83 based amps are hard to beat. They are very fast and clean with ruthless detail retrieval (some won't like that). The need for only one rectifier and one input tube makes tube rolling cheap and easy to do. Using 6922 tubes you can find a tremendous variety of great sounding tubes, each with its own little flavor, and there is no need for expensive matched pairs. Rectifiers make a big difference in these little amps, and they will take lots of different rectifier types, so another easy to roll socket.

The Torii and the Mini Torii have such a huge variety of tube combinations, making the Torii series what I jokingly call the swiss army knives of the amplifier world. Unlike the swiss army knife, which isn't "really" good at anything, both of the Toriis sound spectacular. The Torii MK4 has a lot of power, sounds big and open but "weightier" than the SV83s or the Mini did for me. It is not as detailed as either the Mini or the SV83, probably becasue it is push pull, but it still presents a lot of ambiance that many other amps miss and a wonderfully coherent soundstage. If you have speakers of less than say 92 db/wm, the Torii is going to please you more, I would think.

Most of my speakers are in the 98-100 db/wm range, so power is not an issue for me. I ultimately prefer the SV83 amps, and in cashing out of this Torii, I am looking to buy myself a new Select and a new UHD TV for the family.

I've had my fun with the Torii, and I just don't need the power.  Its going to be hard to part with this one though!

Hi Kevin, I would like to buy it for $2200, including shipping and PayPal to St. Paul/Oakdale MN.

Which pair of Inputs are the ones that work (the other pair are defeated-which is cool)?

Does it come with the Pelican Case?

Unfortunately, I am retracting my offer Kevin. I need to fund another endeavor. I can't have everything. I would love to spend the Winter with the IV and my ZMA. Alas, the ZMA will just have to do!  

Good luck with your sale....this should be sold already at $2200 + FR. -Stone

PS-if you keep it/as you stated/PM me next Spring or Summer.....and I should be able to swing it. I would clearly understand though...if it's gone...at this price/as I mentioned.

No worries Stone.

So, still for sale as listed, $2200 + shipping for forum members. I'll absorb the paypal fees.

Thanks everyone.

This is the back panel of the amp. Treble adjust and reconstructive feedback are there like a regular MK4.

Note, I did not own the amp when it was converted from Mk3 to Mk4.

Info update about the transformers and inputs, from the original owner:

"I am fairly certain the output transformers are 8 & 16 ohm. Should be how they come stock. The green input is direct straight to the input tube completely bypassing the volume attenuator.  I requested this as I placed the original order."

Thanks everyone.

Bump....still available. Interesting trades considered.

Thanks everyone.

The MKIV is a beautiful amp and this is a great price! If it were 4-8 ohm (I use 4 ohm for my speakers) I would jump on it...but already have one in my main room!

Same here will, I conversed on Audiogon with Kevin. I need the 4 to 8 ohm Tranny's. It would have been sold.

Sold. Thank you everyone.