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60ndown Ex Member	scaleing it in a nutshell 01/16/07 at 02:12:06 i have 2 sexy 12s (high power high excursion) to put in a new build, its gonna be another wo, im leaning towards scaleing all the numbers by 1.2 over just makeing it 2 inches taller and angling the baffle. in 10 words or less which would you do and why?
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aznboi3644 Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #1 - 01/16/07 at 05:03:48 Whats subs would these be 60???
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bassboy

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Reply #2 - 01/16/07 at 05:16:42

I'd sell them 2 sexy 12's and buy 2 more reasonable 10's (ie. - cheaper) and a reasonable sized amp with the money. Should have enough left over to pay for the box materials as well as a couple of cases of beer.

Sorry, but you wanted opinions.

I don't think anyone really needs more than this simple setup can deliver (reasonably powered 10's), I wouldn't put anything larger than a 10 in a WO and I'm not sure why you always insist on massive overkill in the driver dept. but don't seem to adapt the plans much to accomodate these monsters.

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HT-EXT Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #3 - 01/16/07 at 10:44:02 My plans would be two inches taller with Dayton HOs. HT-EXT PS. I ONLY USED 10. HAHA!
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Adrian D. Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #4 - 01/16/07 at 12:23:49 i wish i had some pennies. i'd try those 12's in a scaled wo. look at how steve scaled the hwk-10 to the hwk-12. that's how i'd do it. aznboi3644 : 2 rl-p 12's.
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60ndown Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #5 - 01/16/07 at 14:25:39 [quote author=Adrian D. link=1168917126/0#4 date=1168950229] look at how steve scaled the hwk-10 to the hwk-12. [/quote] not sure exactly what he did, even tho i have both sets of plans? and i think horns are more vulnerable to dimension changes.
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60ndown Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #6 - 01/16/07 at 14:57:18 [quote author=bassboy link=1168917126/0#2 date=1168924602]I'd sell them 2 sexy 12's and buy 2 more reasonable 10's [/quote] good idea , i haven t thought abut that ???
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Adrian D. Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #7 - 01/16/07 at 15:21:37 try it 2" taller if you're not too sure about upscaling. the rl-p likes sealed boxes around 1.2 cf. looks like the sealed chamber in the wo is close. and if you decide on buying 10's, look at some fi's or bm's or even rl-i's
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djman37 Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #8 - 01/16/07 at 17:16:52 i went 2" taller for my 12's, it worked GREAT. -10 words.
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BigAir Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #9 - 01/17/07 at 20:35:43 [quote author=60ndown link=1168917126/0#0 date=1168913526] im leaning towards scaleing all the numbers by 1.2 [/quote] Do that and your WO will be about 70% larger.
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BigAir Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #10 - 01/17/07 at 20:41:48 [quote author=60ndown link=1168917126/0#0 date=1168913526]in 10 words or less which would you do and why? [/quote] Steve say add the 2 inches. That's enough for me.
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60ndown Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #11 - 01/17/07 at 23:55:50 [quote author=BigAir link=1168917126/0#9 date=1169066143] Do that and your WO will be about 70% larger. [/quote] 1.2 is 20% bigger? bigger driver bigger box = same performance me thinks?
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Tr3vWh0r3 Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #12 - 01/18/07 at 00:48:23 My cousin built the 12" version with Pioneer Premiers and his friend has the 10" version with $5 flea market subs. I preferred the sound of the 10" version.
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BigAir

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Reply #13 - 01/18/07 at 12:04:45

[quote author=60ndown link=1168917126/0#11 date=1169078150]

1.2 is 20% bigger? bigger driver bigger box = same performance me thinks? [/quote]

WO=36x36x13.5 or 10.125 square feet.
Every dimension 1.2 bigger would be 43.2x43.2x16.2 or 17.496 square feet.
Just making it 2" taller would be 36x36x15.5 or 11.625 square feet.
If you want exactly it 20% bigger it would be
36x36x16.2 or 12.15 square feet.
10.125 + 20% = 12.15
In my opinion, that would be the best way to go because the horn lengths would stay exactly the same and your cone size to horn size ratio would be accurate.
Try the math yourself and you'll see what I mean.

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gexter

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Reply #14 - 01/18/07 at 13:32:35

[quote author=60ndown link=1168917126/0#0 date=1168913526]i have 2 sexy 12s (high power high excursion) to put in a new build, its gonna be another wo, im leaning towards scaleing all the numbers by 1.2

over just makeing it 2 inches taller and angling the baffle.

in 10 words or less which would you do and why?
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In ten words of less:
You can't fit a Wicked one in a nutshell 60

I use the 2 inches taller because that was Steves advice to me on the 12" and its simplier. Oh ya It does change the horn length and Big Air had good results that way was also a reason ( sorry thats more than ten words)

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60ndown

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Reply #15 - 01/18/07 at 14:05:13

[quote author=gexter link=1168917126/0#14 date=1169127155]

In ten words of less:
You can't fit a Wicked one in a nutshell 60

I use the 2 inches taller because that was Steves advice to me on the 12" and its simplier. Oh ya It does change the horn length and Big Air had good results that way was also a reason ( sorry thats more than ten words)
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if i just make it 2 inches taller it 'doesnt' change horn lengths. im sure thats what you meant. im makeing it 36x36 and 2 inches taller, thanks for the advice everyone. ;)

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60ndown

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Reply #16 - 01/18/07 at 14:07:19

[quote author=BigAir link=1168917126/0#13 date=1169121885]

WO=36x36x13.5 or 10.125 square feet.
Every dimension 1.2 bigger would be 43.2x43.2x16.2 or 17.496 square feet.
Just making it 2" taller would be 36x36x15.5 or 11.625 square feet.
If you want exactly it 20% bigger it would be
36x36x16.2 or 12.15 square feet.
10.125 + 20% = 12.15
In my opinion, that would be the best way to go because the horn lengths would stay exactly the same and your cone size to horn size ratio would be accurate.
Try the math yourself and you'll see what I mean. [/quote]

im bad @ math >:(

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BigAir

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Reply #17 - 01/18/07 at 20:59:12

Good call 60. I bet you'll like it. Just make sure you take lots of pics.

As far as the size thing..... Picture what you would do if you doubled the size of the box. Take one box and place it on top of another box. That would be enough to double it. If you double every dimension it would require 8 boxes rather than just two. Does that make sense now?

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60ndown

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Reply #18 - 01/18/07 at 21:19:29

[quote author=BigAir link=1168917126/15#17 date=1169153952]Good call 60. I bet you'll like it. Just make sure you take lots of pics.

As far as the size thing..... Picture what you would do if you doubled the size of the box. Take one box and place it on top of another box. That would be enough to double it. If you double every dimension it would require 8 boxes rather than just two. Does that make sense now?
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less Cry

but no need to resue me from my ignorance, if steve d sais build it 2 inches taller thats good enuf 4 me 2.

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gexter Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #19 - 01/19/07 at 02:27:57 [quote author=60ndown link=1168917126/15#15 date=1169129113] if i just make it 2 inches taller it 'doesnt' change horn lengths. im sure thats what you meant. im makeing it 36x36 and 2 inches taller, thanks for the advice everyone. ;) [/quote] Yep thats what I meant, sorry about that 60.
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djman37

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Reply #20 - 01/20/07 at 23:44:39

[quote author=60ndown link=1168917126/0#0 date=1168913526]i have 2 sexy 12s (high power high excursion) to put in a new build, its gonna be another wo, im leaning towards scaleing all the numbers by 1.2

over just makeing it 2 inches taller and angling the baffle.

in 10 words or less which would you do and why?
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what are these sexy 12's? I used RE SE 12's in mine and would do it again anytime.

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60ndown Ex Member	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #21 - 01/21/07 at 01:46:49 [quote author=djman37 link=1168917126/15#20 date=1169336679] what are these sexy 12's? I used RE SE 12's in mine and would do it again anytime. [/quote] rl-ps
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backfixer Verified Member Posts: 18	Re: scaleing it in a nutshell Reply #22 - 06/16/07 at 01:30:50 cant wait to see these pics cuz Im seriously gonna build me a WO12...so Id like 60 to let us know if she sounds sexier than what the subs look like!
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