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Message started by Steve Deckert on 11/09/18 at 17:38:29

Title: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 11/09/18 at 17:38:29



PART 1

Anniversary Mods - what are they?

You will be hearing about or have already heard that there are Anniversary Mods available for certain things, but other than a discussion in the forum, no information is on the site yet.

These mods are no longer in development.  As time allows we will be adding the options to the shopping cart so they can be purchased on new tube gear.  Mods are now available for existing amplifiers.

The reason these mods came to pass is simply that the performance of the new 25th Anniversary Zen Triode amplifier has shadowed virtually everything we make. It’s actually really that good. So good, in fact,  that after hearing it for any length of time, everything else sounds mediocre.

Think about that, …mediocre. Decware gear sounding mediocre? Our Zen Mystery Amp (ZMA) as reviewed by Tone Audio magazine was said to sound better than Wavac and Shindo, both considered part of the holy grail of tube gear. Think about that too…. an amazing accomplishment, yet as good as Wavac amplifiers sound, or Shindo amplifiers sound, or the even better ZMA amplifier sounds, all sound “mediocre” by comparison to our anniversary amp.

To bring things closer together sonically, the technologies used in the anniversary amp are now available on most everything else as an option.

So far we have shipped around 40 of the new 25th Anniversary Zen Triode amplifiers, and many have found themselves a home amongst lots of great Decware gear… which brings up an interesting situation;

Today an owner of the 25th Anniversary Zen Triode amplifier called me and wanted to upgrade his speakers to get more detail,  imaging and scale… He was running the new anniversary amplifier paired with a ZP3 phono stage, a ZSTAGE and a ZROCK2.  These items are not in the same league as the new amplifier in their stock form and since the weakest link in the chain always determines the sound quality, these items would have to be modified to keep up.

Anniversary mods to be clear, are mods that use the same technology developed in 25th Anniversary Zen Triode amp. Specifically they were 1) VOLTAGE REGULATION TUBES Getting the entire circuit including output stage driven off our series wired Voltage Regulator tubes, and  2) POWER SUPPLY BYPASS CAPS Speeding up the power supply and matching it’s signature to that of the signal-path coupling caps.

There are only a few products that can be updated with both.  Most can only use #2 .

1) VOLTAGE REGULATION TUBES -- The Voltage Regulator tube mod improves the quality of the high-voltage DC power feeding the tubes resulting in even less grain. It is similar to having a power re-generator (that cost more than the amplifier itself) but better. You can hear what this might sound like by listening to your stereo at 2:30 A.M. The 25th Anniversary Zen Triode amp, the ZP3 phono stage and the SE84UFO3’s are the only products that get the entire circuit driven off the voltage regulator tubes. We have also found a way to do it on the CSP3 and the ZROCK2 and will be making it available on 2019 models of the ZBOX and ZSTAGE.

2) POWER SUPPLY BYPASS CAPS -- This mod entails bypassing all the electrolytic filter caps in the power supply with the correct values of film or foil capacitors designed to match the signature of the coupling capacitors in the signal path. In most cases, these are  cryo-treated beeswax caps from Jupiter because that is what our amplifiers use in the signal path. In older amplifiers that used polyurethane caps, we use the same type for the bypass.

SO, to get the guy with an Anniversary amp who drives it with non-anniversary gear up to par, we have to speed up all the non-anniversary gear in the signal path which means doing #2 to those components.




PART II

Anniversary Mods are about speed and resolution of which Decware amps already have quite a bit.

Decware amps are all built right to the point of diminishing returns' bone stock. If you are looking at your first Decware amplifier or Preamp and are on a budget we recommend sticking with the standard configurations. Since most of our products come standard with cryo-treated beeswax caps, it means that doing the power-supply  bypass cap mod is going to be expensive, since we will use the same fancy caps. The difference you would hear is similar to what you would hear by making a substantial upgrade in interconnects and speaker wire. I bring that up because you might have someone buying say an SE84UFO 2 watt amplifier, and he is using mediocre interconnects, or speaker cables, or perhaps even a mediocre source. Clearly if the mod on his amplifier costs $420. he might be lucky to hear any improvement at all whereas if he updated his cables, the amplifier could literally sound almost twice as good.


Glass Resistors

Due to the rarity of these, we just have certain values on hand and can therefor only offer them on certain products. Over time, we may be able to find more and offer them on additional products.

Here is the list of Anniversary Mods now available for both existing and new tube gear (but not yet in the shopping carts).










UPDATE 12/11/2018. TORII MK2,MK3,MK4 beeswax cap mod increased to $600 from $400 because it takes 4 additional beeswax caps that we previously overlooked.


Thanks,

Steve

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 11/09/18 at 19:50:03

This is very nice Steve, and the price guide is handy for we who have to figure a way to somehow afford the future mods we want. I'm excited about the ZROCK2 upgrade, as I was planning to eventually buy another, this way I can buy one with the mods and not have to send my original back as I don't think it will allow me to remove it from the main system. . . .

I suspect this will mean more business for Decware!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by JD on 11/09/18 at 21:04:42

Steve,

Curious to know why the Torii III isn't on the list?

JD

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 11/09/18 at 21:16:39


The remaining TORII's have been added.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 11/09/18 at 21:46:37

Wow, very happy to see the Torii Mk II being offered the mod path. I may be sending mine in. . . . Thanks for the update.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Geno on 11/10/18 at 00:32:25

I have the standard beeswax cap in my SE84UFO.  I have been thinking about sending it back to have the standard swapped out for the copper. How does the new mod listed above differ from that?


Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 11/10/18 at 00:44:12

Any idea if the Black Friday sale will include upgrades?  Or the new conditioner, for that matter?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by pursuitofnow on 11/10/18 at 01:34:52

From the email... "This year it is going to be very simple. 10% off whatever you buy, no limit."

I would think that discount applies to any transaction with Decware.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Stefan on 11/10/18 at 02:11:37

Now I'm so glad my ordered ZRock2 from Aug is not yet build so I can upgrade it to the 25th version  :)

Steve, how about the VCaps? Do they get the same beeswax bypass or is the recommendation to then use beeswax completely and not VCaps?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/10/18 at 14:55:13

Rachael from Steve, is back on my purchase list with beeswax bypass!

I want the additional headroom in triode, + I like the power output tube compliments I will roll.
Rolling NOS input tubes too!
Rectifier roll?  Sure, why not. It has been quite some time since I've done that.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by JD on 11/10/18 at 22:14:00

Great news Steve.  

Thanks

JD

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 11/11/18 at 02:05:34



Quote:
I have the standard beeswax cap in my SE84UFO.  I have been thinking about sending it back to have the standard swapped out for the copper. How does the new mod listed above differ from that?


Fantastic question !

The difference between the two coupling caps is minimal by comparison. The bypass cap mod will let you hear the full potential of the coupling cap in the amp now, which is to say , make it sound twice as good. And while beeswax is nice, our pre-beeswax caps were well above the norm for audiophile caps, which is why on pre-beeswax amplifiers we are offering the poly bypass mod.

If you have a pre-beeswax amplifier, and are considering updating to beeswax caps OR doing the poly bypass mod, the poly bypass mod will have perhaps five times the effect - five times the improvement. Ask Bob Ziegler, who had it done to an original Blue TORII.

So I'm sure it's probably not the answer some were expecting, but it has, nevertheless, demonstrated that the power supply actually IS the signal path, or at least the electrons you are hearing. The coupling caps are simply feeding the control grid a signal, and the control grid acts like a shudder to modulate the flow of electrons between the plate and cathode of the tube just as a shudder modulates how much light is allowed to come through a window.

So you can spend a lot of money on shudders, but never think to improve the quality of light coming in.  It's all about the light coming in ; )

-Steve



Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 11/11/18 at 02:12:00

The Black Friday sale is on whatever you can purchase online.  So far the only amps that have the anniversary option in the shopping cart are the CSP3, UFO3, and possibly the ZMA ( I can't remember right now). Basically the sale is on new products that  can be ordered from the web site, not on mods or services.

I'll do a coupon for mods this winter sometime and make it good for a period of time, which is the only way it would work.

Steve

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by busterfree on 11/11/18 at 13:38:32

Any plans to revisit the ZTPRE for modification (if applicable)? I regret selling mine.

:-[

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 11/11/18 at 15:49:50

Well, I placed an order for the ZROCK2 with the bypass beeswax mod and the tube regulation. I'll find some way to pay for it. ;)

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by hdrider on 11/11/18 at 15:51:59

Steve - Thank you for the research to make our amazing products sound even more amazing. A separate coupon for modifications with a little longer window will enable lots of us to take advantage of this. I am guessing that a new set of stock tubes will need to be purchased at that time also (ZP3 and CSP3) which works out fine since I believe have a set of stock tubes around gives a great base line when auditioning other tubes. Thanks again Team Decware and happy listening, Chris.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 11/11/18 at 18:34:27

Cool Steve.  That answered the question I sent Sarah yesterday.

Will the Conditioner be available by the Black Friday sale?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/12/18 at 21:48:35

Hey, I read the Note on my ZMA updates. I'm doing the three/less the Caps right now. So, only a 100 up on the first, but not on the 2nd two mods, correct?  $830 then, instead of 1030. Don't mean to be tacky...just excited on a budget.  :D .....plus, return shipping.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 11/13/18 at 14:56:42


$830 is correct, that's what he charged me, and I just double checked the math according to his sheet posted above.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/13/18 at 21:20:58

Thanks LR. That just made my day!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by beowulf on 11/22/18 at 06:34:15


busterfree wrote on 11/11/18 at 13:38:32:
Any plans to revisit the ZTPRE for modification (if applicable)? I regret selling mine.

:-[


Hey Steve, I wanted to bump this … are there any plans to update the ZTPRE with 25th Anni Mods?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/23/18 at 22:12:54

Stone of Tone ~ very happy!

More definition in the imaging + deeper soundstage. Just the tip of the iceberg I bet, .....with more hours on these mods.

Thanks, DeVon, Steve, Sarah & Jacob!  + the whole Decware  team.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/23/18 at 22:58:21

Ohhhh myyyyy, I'm pushing three hours now of Listening (after warm up) in my System, the bass definition and what I said above are, YEAH.

I will refrain from any other comments for now and go back to Enjoying for the rest of the evening. I will part by saying, the handshake between my ZMA/before and quite apparent, 25th'D, with my KS6063 & Acoustic Zen Adagio's (modified) + with Transmission Lines.....WOW!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 11/23/18 at 23:02:59

Glad you went for it and that the "signature" you didn't want to lose. . . didn't get lost or got improved. Enjoy!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/23/18 at 23:36:07

Yes, yes + yes. Thanks Lon.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Jeff of Arabica on 11/24/18 at 00:04:01

Great to hear Stone!  It just keeps getting sweeter once all those new caps and resistors burn in.  I have a feeling you will have one hellavu entertaining weekend ahead of you.   ;)

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 11/24/18 at 00:24:39

Phew!   ::)

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 11/24/18 at 13:58:17

Yes! Thanks Jeff.

Arch, good one! ;D :D

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by ZYGI on 11/28/18 at 00:11:20

Guys, I can attest to Steve's poly cap upgrade on my original Blue Torii.
Man what a transformation it has made.

My amp, IMHO was only bested by the infamous OTL amp. Then the upgrade on the ZMA bested my amp. Compared to the modded ZMA, my amp then sounded dull, flat, almost lifeless.

After Steve performed his magic the first words out  of Chris K's mouth were, "it every bit as good as the OTL", and I agreed.

Listened more in the past months than I can remember listening in a long time, in a room that should, by all rights SUCK but the amp and speakers just don't seem to care. Not sure what that's all about, but I'll take it.
Zygi

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 11/28/18 at 00:22:13

Careful, you'll cause a run on Blue Toriis!   ;D

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 12/01/18 at 21:57:40

9 days deep and as the snow storm rages outside .....with my 25th'd ZMA inside, I want for nothing!

I totally dig my KT66's again. Today though, I'm 7 hours deep with 7581A's and the best Telefunkens** in the world (no idle boast) as inverter's & my Mull's E188CC 7308's/Inputs = Heaven. Tomorrow morning I'll get my Ediswans in for
Inputs.

All, have a great Saturday.

**, I know they are just a smidge under the CCa's.... Don't bust my sack! ;D

......7581A quad, just a tad above 60/bias.
NOS RCA 0A3's of course.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 12/04/18 at 15:15:11

Nice Stone! Our tube compliment is pretty similiar - minus the Telefunks.

Are you running those as inverters??

I've noted I'm gravitating back to the KT66 as well. I'm not sure why. The (modern) 7581A are great, and maybe I need to burn them in more, but I keep coming back to the KT66. Maybe, and I'm totally speculating, with the added speed the KT66 gives us more of that sound (harmonics?) that we are familiar with. I kind of feel that some of the core sound of the ZMA is different after the mod. Yes the amp is noticeably closer to the music, the leading edge of each sound is faster and (IMHO) more accurate, and I'm absolutely loving the micro-detail that's now coming though...but it's not the consistent, (plodding?) freight train of an amp that takes a while to get up to speed but then is pretty unflappable. Instead it feels like the big, slow starting train now has an intricate gearbox and instead of hearing that big unflappable harmonic content, I'm hearing all these precision gears whirring and getting it up to galloping speed more quickly.

Totally off the wall and mostly nonsense description with audiophile descripers mixed in, I know...but maybe it makes sense to someone.

Anyways, my tube compliment is:

Mullard gold pin CV2492 I stumbled into at a great price on my inputs.
Then Steve's tested stock tubes in the inverters
Tung-Sol KT66 with many hours on them, or Tung-Sol 7581A with less than 20 hours on them, or my new favorites the KT8C that are supposedly from Marconi but come from British military stock circa 1973. And I too am running NOS RCA OA3.

I think the Mullards on the input also give the ZMA some of it's old feel back. I think after the mod it might be possible to put tubes in that would make the amp too dry/etched or maybe even too fast.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 12/05/18 at 03:29:14

Don't be afraid to revisit the 6N1P in the inputs, now that the speed is up they will sound faster.... imagine!

Also the 6N5P are pretty great as a 6N1P replacement with more focus.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 12/11/18 at 01:07:02

Yes LR! Enjoying the KT66's reinvented with the mod's too.

Back on Friday I commented that I felt the speed/PRaT was off. Not now. Saturday, Sunday and today (I'm off); I put my ARC Line Stage in and drove the ZMA as an Amp with the Gain maxed. This seriously helped my seasoning in process that started back on 11/23.

The fun dynamic's a Pre adds, I can appreciate and why I own one. However, to take it out and run my ZMA direct is what is special about this Amp for me. The transparency, the delicacy and the true tone of Steve's topology shines through. I'm sure she has some more to go too with these Mod's.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 12/11/18 at 16:14:04


Yeah, Tom keeps telling me I need to let things burn in and not be so judgy so soon. LOL.

I need to get more hours on the ZMA, and revisit input tubes. I need to filter down to the few I really like and just ditch the rest. I have too much stuff and need to make things simpler.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 12/11/18 at 18:20:29


For the record, the worse thing you can do is roll tubes during a burn-in process.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 12/11/18 at 18:26:27

Is this just from a listening/judging standpoint or something else?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by pursuitofnow on 12/11/18 at 23:29:07

it does seem like it'd be a moving target.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 12/12/18 at 13:34:53


Quote:
For the record, the worse thing you can do is roll tubes during a burn-in process.



Quote:
it does seem like it'd be a moving target.


My thoughts exactly. I've just left it with the new tubes I put in and I'm making an effort to let it play all night while I work on house projects.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 12/12/18 at 14:26:55

Same here, pleased the KT66's have new life for me. However, my Jam is the 7581A's and I'm sticking with those to further season out..... .

Having put my ARC Line Stage heavy on my ZMA's gain dial/at all positions (riding gain's ARC/ZMA for 3 days + burning in since 11/23).....ZMA was incredible last night driven from the voltage output only of my ZDSD output trannies.

Alas, I read you on the house projects LR! Our 21 year old washing machine died last night and I need to pull her out and clean for the new one being delivered. Kick in shorts + I had to buy Sue a new Oven back in August! This is hitting up my Audio & Music budget. :'( To add insult to injury, I have to move my LP record bookcase (sits halfway up the staircase) to get the old washer off the 2nd floor and the new one up!

Let's just say tonight, a Velveteen Habit IPA and my ZMA will wrap up the evening. ;) :D


PS ~ LR, you have your modified SE84C....rolling around in your sonic memory, ....and for you, that might be hard to beat.

Now granted, your C is not the full 25th SE. However, I bet, in the ballpark. Steve's words here, I think put it best:

"Employing all of these mods dramatically narrows the gap between the ZMA and the UFO25. Of course nights like last evening with the ZMA turned all the way up on large scale music allows it to go where the UFO25 can't, so it's not hard to say it is now the equal of the UFO25, some will say better, some will say only close... the point is that when all this started after hearing the UFO25 for 6 months I could no longer LOVE the ZMA they way I did when it was better than Sindo and Wavac.  Now I can listen to both without feeling like the UFO25 is superior.  This is a great achievement to say the least and I think a great way to offer it."

Steve

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 12/12/18 at 14:37:03


Quote:
PS ~ LR, you have your modified SE84C....rolling around in your sonic memory, ....and for you, that might be hard to beat.


It doesn't help that we just had an up close and personal session with BadWolf's 25th Anniversary Zen - even fresh out of the box that thing was amazing with only 30 minutes of warm up!


Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 12/12/18 at 14:39:54

Oh to funny, I just added MORE, to the PS above.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Showme on 12/13/18 at 21:32:05

Is any time fine for sending a Zrock I for an upgrade or should we wait because of the Black Friday orders?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 12/13/18 at 22:05:12

I sent my ZP3 and ZR2 in for upgrades a couple weeks ago.  Given how busy Decware is I don't think by waiting things will get much better.  I have heard that the upgrades are in a separate pile from the new builds.  

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by ScottNC on 12/13/18 at 22:22:18

 I'm wondering the same thing on my Torii MKIV upgrade, I think I remember hearing from Steve that upgrades were all completed in 10 working days, but I don't know if that holds any longer with the order situation what it is. I've been hesitant to call but I might be getting a call on myZROCK2 shipping and will ask then and post if I find out anything.

Best,
Scott

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 12/14/18 at 16:44:35

As I said above, I sent in my ZP3 and ZR2 which were delivered to Decware Nov. 30th.  I just got word that they have been upgraded and are being packed up.   :D

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 12/14/18 at 17:37:47

Pretty cool Arch, being post BFri!

My ZMA was 10 business days (not counting to and from shipping) pre black Friday.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by lazb on 12/14/18 at 18:46:47

I remain hopeful of having my ZROCK2 back before Christmas with 25th Anniversary upgrades!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 12/14/18 at 20:13:21

I think you will Joe. Merry Christmas!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 12/18/18 at 22:37:02

I'm listening to my Anniversary modified ZP3 and ZR2 added to the already modified CSP3 and ZMA.  I wish I had better  music articulation skills but right now what I'm hearing is like seeing an image through crystal clear water.  I don't hear as if the performers were in my living room but it seems like the next best thing.  And that's right out of the box!

Steve also got rid of the standby switch on my ZP3.  He doesn't put one on ZP3s anymore and he thought there was a slight improvement by removing it.  I can't say for sure but I never used it and I'm glad to be rid of it.  More direct wiring and all that.

I have the ZR2 in front of the CSP3 (as before) but I think I'm dialing it back compared to pre-mods.  I still like the B curve.  With all of the other mods in place though, the ZR2 seems less crucial, but still liked.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by JD on 12/19/18 at 00:22:07

Archie,

Thanks for the update. I'm thinking about sending in my ZP3 for the upgrade and glad to hear the positive news so quickly.

JD

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 12/19/18 at 00:54:55

Awesome Archie! I am even more eager to hear my modded ZROCK2 now!

In time I may send one of my CSP2+ and my Taboo Mk IV in for the mods.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 12/19/18 at 03:25:14


I've done about a half a dozen or so fully modded ZROCK2's with the tube regulation and bypass caps and it passes the 25th Anniversary Zen Triode Amplifier test as a component in the signal path that does not detract from the transparency... the tone of this device is like the best Swiss chocolate you've ever tasted and the textures and depth in the bass are of course what make that magic in the midrange possible.

I've been able to talk to most everyone after getting one now, and everyone seems to agree it is a music fixer of the highest order.  You know, not all Decware components can have the FULL anniversary mods, which are 100% tube regulation of all stages and multi-sage bypass caps on every stage.  I couldn't be more thrilled to have this tone generator at the heart of a reference system and be controllable to the point where everyone uses it and requires it.  To me that says it is fixing the recording and the room while leaving everything in the middle pretty much untouched.

If you listen to a ZROCK2 on a pair of 20 Hz folded Horns featuring 15 inch high efficiency drivers the low bass is insane. For those who attended the DECFEST when we played Randy's bass demo on the Imperial Folded Horns and got the entire blocks undivided attention... remember, that was without a ZROCK2.  Had we put that in the mix the low 25Hz bass in that track would have been twice as loud causing serious concern for our safety!

Today I had the pleasure to chat with a gentleman with a pair of high efficiency speakers that are rated to below 30Hz, but always sounded lean.  Even with different room placements and different amplifiers this was the common denominator.  He purchased a ZROCK2 on good faith and is now hearing and feeling solid low frequency foundational underpinnings that were simply not there before.  No subwoofer is needed now.  Imagine how difficult it would be to get a subwoofer to have the same phase angle and speed signature having higher mass than the main driver.... not to mention get it to sound like it's not in a different location or lagging behind.  Yes, it can be done, but it will end up being probably custom and costing as much as the speakers or the amplifier or both.  So life got a lot better for this fellow.  

(end of post - quick memory - Before Decware went online we were a commercial audio contractor doing custom systems one of which was a local night club with a bass problem.  They had 4-18 inch subs in the corner of the dance floor and 4 - 400W Yamahah amplifiers driving them through RANE crossovers, and had no bass.  Typical complaint btw.

We went down there and listened to it for a bit and they were right...there was no bass.  In fact the sound was painfully thin and dry.  I told the owner, yea, you don't have any bass.  I can make a single 15 inch woofer wreck this place with less than 20 watts of real power and of course got the look.

After a little persuasion I challenged him by promising to shake all the ashtrays on the tables in the entire building with a bass note from a single 15 inch woofer driven by a 20 watt amplifier just to illustrate what is possible.

Of course the challenge was accepted.  If I succeed, we get the sound contract and your business explodes because unlike what they think, it's not the alcohol that drives the business, it's the sound.  We have proved it more than once.

We set a date, the following night.  My friend Paul and I loaded up an Imperial Folded Horn that we had been tormenting the neighbors with into the truck and hauled it to the club.  It weights 400 lbs, so we had a dolly with us.  The Imperial was modified for the job at hand.  We took out the 15 inch driver and made a blank plywood panel to cover the 15 inch hole where the driver was.  Attached to this panel was a 12 x 12 x 12 inch box with a 12 inch driver in it that wasn't more than 92 dB efficient.  The cube was sealed, and the driver faced the rear of the cabinet so the front of the cabinet where you normally see a 15 inch woofer was just a blank piece of plywood.

This particular alignment Paul and I found by trial and error from months of testing things.  It creates 22 dB of gain at 22Hz.  Yes, the cabinet by itself creates that much gain with a single 12 inch driver...

Don't worry the story is gust getting good...  We wheeled this 28 cubic foot cabinet into the club and placed in the same corner as the existing subs on the dance floor.  We had no intension of hooking it the the DJ booth, or it's pathetic amplifiers.  We brought a tube signal generator with us and the source and on that particular night the only thing we could find in the shop for amplification was an old Hamon Kardon receiver with one channel blown.  

We hooked the good channel of the Harmon Kardon receiver up to the Imperial and connected the Frequency generator up to the inputs.  The place was fairly busy.  There were people eating and hanging out in all the various areas of the club.  The bar was active and soon there would be people wanting to dance...

I told the owner, when you are ready to hear what is possible with regards to bass response in this club let me know and we'll begin the demonstration.

Signal received and I put the frequency generator on 100Hz and turned up the volume until there was a nice growl that the entire area could clearly start to feel.  This was of course the point where many patrons of the establishment looked up to hear what was going on...

As slow as I possibly could ( just as I had done a hundred times at my shop at home ) I began to drop the frequency.  You see, the slower you drop it, the more the phase angle relationship between the space and the woofer begin to twist the room in a very physical way... It's similar to letting an organ pipe blow for several seconds before the low bass wave manifests.

So down the slope we go, 100, 99, 98, ....60Hz.   Now I am noticing people are getting fidgety at their tables... Looking around trying to figure out what hell is that???  I suspect the club owner was thinking the same thing as he was no doubt expecting a MUSIC demo and that's definitely not was this was.

As I slowly continued to drop it the frequency, and as we approached 50 Hz, things took on that "serious" category where you could feel it in your body and things around the space were beginning to shake.

The painfully slow analog drop from 50 to 32Hz is a glorious memory because the entire building was at full attention without a clue what was happening!!!  : )


Oh it gets better...  From 32Hz to 22Hz is where the action is and this is where the entire place began to go into panic mode not sure what the hell was happening but ash trays on all of the tables in the surrounding dining rooms begin to slide around on the tables like air hockey pucks.

22Hz was devastating.  Memorable.  We let it set there for about 30 seconds.  Then we turned off the amp, unhooked everything and wheeled the cabinet right out of the club into the truck and left.  The owner didn't know what just happened.  

After about a day, we were contracted to fix the sound system, which we did.  In fact we put the same cabinet with the same 12 inch driver in it to replace the 4 -18 inch subs original in the place.  It was a science experiment to see how long the $45 12 inch woofer from Eli-Whitney would last under the severe stress of deaf morons night after night...  Surprisingly it lasted 90 days!!!!!  Then the call came.  AHHHHHH.  we have no BASSSSS!!!!  

We went down there and witnessed no doubt one of the most rare things you would ever see in audio, Barr none.  Believe it or not, when we removed the cube from the cabinet, the 12 inch driver's cone was shredded into powder.  The biggest piece we could find was about 6mm in size.  We were all dazed and confused at what could have possibly done this!

It was extreme pressure, a bandpass with a Q of probably about 3!!!  Nevertheless, we fitted the cabinet with a more suitable 15 inch driver in the normal configuration and installed some better amplification and that ran for well over 10 years and had a reputation for the place to go if you liked to dance...

I can only imagine how much richer and better it would have been with a ZROCK2 back then!  

There is no one who owns a ZROCK2 who leaves it in bypass mode for more than an hour or two. It just enhances the sound so beautifully that Lon is not the only one who has elected to purchase a second unit with the anniversary mods rather than have their existing one updated even though it only takes a couple of weeks.  

Think about that, the sound improvement is so great that someone would by another one just to keep from being without one for two weeks.  I have to say to that I understand, because it would be like going for two weeks without music!

Steve





Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 12/19/18 at 12:41:56

Great to hear that the mods elevate the ZROCK2 so that it is not a stumbling block in the modified amp and preamp signal chain Steve. Makes waiting for my new ZROCK2 harder still!

Does the ZROCK2 tube mod use the same small tube as the CSP3-25 mod?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by ScottNC on 12/19/18 at 13:26:29

 The timing of that post couldn’t have been better, my ZROCK2 with 25th mods is in QC right now, can’t wait to get that thing into my system, I’m imagining it is going to have a profound impact on my entire room. My hope is it somehow makes it to me for Christmas, but I’m not sure even Santa can pull that one off! It’s a catch 22 for me because as soon as I get it in the system for a few days, off goes the MkIV for it’s cap and 25th upgrades,it all makes for some...HAPPY HOLIDAYS...to all...🥗😊🥗

Best,
Scott

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Rivieraranch on 12/29/18 at 00:42:47

Is there any current Anniversary modification for a pre-2019 ZSTAGE?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by HockessinKid on 12/29/18 at 01:17:16

Yes, ZSTAGE s listed on the 25th Anniversary price list Steve posted.

HK



Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by HockessinKid on 12/29/18 at 01:19:22

Here you go.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Dominick on 12/29/18 at 02:14:37

While I plan on sending in my ZSTAGE for the 25th upgrade...I would first like to hear feedback with owners of this unit with the tube and 25th anniversary mod.

Maybe it’s worth selling my pre 2019 ZStsage and repurchasing it new with tube regulation and 25th anniversary mod.  

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 01/08/19 at 19:11:43

I just sent my Taboo Mk IV in for the 25th Anniversary Mods. May it find its way back to me speedily. This is a wonderful amp and I think the mods will take it to the moon.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/09/19 at 18:28:39

Cool Lon, I do not blame you for going right down the line of your Decware gear to be 25th'd!

I'm so pleased. Steve maintained what the ZMA puts forth to my ear/brain.....the ZMA has true enhancement.

I liken it to a movie I recently watched: A Simple Favor.
It was shot on the new Panavision’s DXL2 8K camera ....then super sampled, etc, etc......pseudo sampled....won't get into the samantic's.
https://dxl.panavision.com/
My point being, I did not know this before seeing the movie from DVD on my 4k capable Sony Bravia XBR Television. I not only enjoyed the movie....but I'm looking over at Sue saying: "This is not only beautifully shot....the resolution is STUNNING!" Not watching in Blu-ray mind you too! ....and certainly not accessing 4k either.

My ZMA came back with not only the beautiful picture I had to my ears but over all still balanced from top to bottom with more resolution (like the new DXL Pany').....but not hitting you over the head with it ....but truly balanced/saturated/fast.........STUNNING.  So pleased.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 01/09/19 at 18:47:29

Yes Larry I get the "resolution" aspect of the Mods. I love the Taboo Mk IV driving my HR-1s with a ZROCK2 (necessary in my current room). I have the opportunity next month to have a second system, moving my main system upstairs and a second system here where my main system now is. I'm going to use the Taboo here to drive my other pair of HR-1s (the original pair I bought) and I know with the Mods I'm in for a treat. I have the Taboo Mk III as my headphone amp now, and when I can I'll send that back in for the Mods as even as just a headphone amp I know that will be beneficial. (The Mk III sounds really good as is as well).

Then when all the dust settles and I get my fully Anniversary Modded ZROCK2 in I'll send my current ZROCK2 in for mods as well. I want the full 25th Anniversary Mod Experience throughout the house!

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/09/19 at 21:53:14


So last night I was listening to some albums that people online suggested were their top 20 of 2018 - most of it is independent, small label, just simply *not* stuff you hear on the radio.  Music was FLAC, streamed via my Tiny Form Factor audio PC via Roon, over network to my DirectStream DAC to my 25th Anniversary modded ZMA.

I've been burning it in, trying to get some hours on the amp after the upgrade. When I first got it home after the update, the bass was amazing, but everything else was "good". Lot's of added detail and a bit of speed, but it didn't sound like my ZMA.  Last night, I'm cooking dinner sampling these new albums, and I'm like DAMN this album sounds great! It wasn't even really my style of music (sort of a Rasta, Hip-hop, R&B fusion with a great beat), but I kept getting distracted by the music and was afraid I'd burn my dinner! LOL

So I sat down with my food, opened up my laptop and clicked through a few of the other albums, and they all sounded amazing! Then it hit me...I must have reached that bloom moment where them amp settles into itself and everything is starting to level out. I didn't really have time for a dedicated listen, going through all my normal demo tunes, so I went back to that first album and heard the harmonics I had been missing, that *something* that made me fall for the ZMA at the Decfest 5 years ago.

I'm really looking forward to this weekend when I can sit down and really do some critical listening - I'll run through my normal demo tunes and see if I can better define what I'm hearing, and how the 25th mod compares to my memory of the ZMA. Hopefully I can be less nebulous than "harmonics I was missing", whatever that means. LOL

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 01/09/19 at 22:16:51

I'm glad you got to the "bloom" segment. I know my Monoblocks took a while to bloom, Stone's ZMA did, it's the nature of capacitors I think and there's a bunch of them to settle in and seat!

I find it so interesting how we all use our systems differently. I don't have demo material any longer, I just play my material and occasionally I'll pull out a disc I've played for decades or some material I recorded myself of bands I was in as reference points, but I do that less and less any more. And I really am not that interested in what others think are "the Year's Best" etc. . . . I find new material by following my instincts and the music I already know and occasionally from a jazz thread that I frequent on a music forum. It's all an organized linear sort of journey with music and listening and I don't listen for soundstage and pinpoint details though I often hear those things. (And I use the I2S connection about 99 percent of the time Eric, not the AES/EBU which I only use for some discs that sound a bit better with that interface).

These mods are amazing. I'm so looking forward to my new ZROCK2 with the mods to be built and shipped, and I sent my Taboo Mk IV back for the mods yesterday, and when it comes back I think I'll send my Taboo Mk III back for the mods, and in time the ZROCK2 I'm using now. They do make a cumulative difference. . . add more and stir in some music and you get the experience.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by HockessinKid on 01/09/19 at 22:19:32

Nice LR. Glad you hit that magical transition point of the burn in process. Enjoy the rest of the ride.

HK

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/10/19 at 00:35:54

Great to read LR. Mine was always still my ZMA ....then it went to shat when I dinked around and put a Pangea on my P3 from wall. My Palladian is back for good in that function. I think my ZMA continues to season bloom. Very happy.

Oh, and glad to read your like of it with us both having three of the four available Mod's/sans Nichicon's. I'm not going to lose sleep over not having them.
That's funds toward my couple of wants on the build sheet. My ZBIT IS SO CLOSE ....yet so far. :'(

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/10/19 at 14:09:02



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(And I use the I2S connection about 99 percent of the time Eric, not the AES/EBU which I only use for some discs that sound a bit better with that interface).


Got it, and I totally get that - it makes sense when you have that option. Pretty much tuning for smoothness.

I'm trying to listen to more things, and see what other people's favorites are to explore new genre or discover new bands. I've found some real gems that way, though I admit there are times where I stop and scowl at the system like "really...that's someone's favorite album of 2018??".

Like Steve does, I tend to do a bunch of my listening around the corner from my system while doing other things. You know it's good when you keep perking up, or find yourself wandering up between the speakers for a better listen and you don't even remember entering the room. That's why I was afraid I'd burn my dinner! LOL

I'm very happy with the ZMA now - I don't feel like it's struggling to keep up with my little modded Zen - in fact, after last night I think it may have bumped it a little bit (mine not being a full blow 25th Anniversary build).  Maybe I need to pick up some hermetic resistors and stuffs. :)

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Jeff of Arabica on 01/10/19 at 16:31:16


Quote:
(mine not being a full blow 25th Anniversary build).  Maybe I need to pick up some hermetic resistors and stuffs.


LR, glad to hear yours and Stone's ZMAs have snapped to!  I certainly experienced a certain degree of pre-burn in discontent, but not to the same level as you guys.  

I would say don't underestimate the affect of the large cap upgrade.  I am fairly confident my Mallory red caps had exceeded their lifespan.  Yeah, they still worked technically but I honestly believe they were not performing up to the potential of their role.  They were NOS when installed (not sure how much they dry up just sitting in storage) and they do warm up pretty well under use as evidenced by my laser thermometer readings.  They don't exceed a safe operating temperature by any means  but every degree, even within normal temperature ranges will reduce their lifespan, however slight.  

One thing I immediately noticed when I installed the new large electrolytic caps was my amp stays on much longer after I power it off then with the red caps.  Im not sure if that is an indication of its ability to store and delivery power, but with my red caps, as soon as I flipped the power switch, the VR's would immediately flicker and the output tubes went off.  With the new Mundorfs, there are a few seconds of delay between switching the ZMA off and the output and VR tubes going dark  Just a hunch, but I believe my new large caps are better able to quickly and robustly serve my 47uF power supply caps which in turn better serve the bypass caps.  I understand their major role is ripple rejection, but if their quick/dynamic delivery of power wasn't a factor in improving the power supply chain, paying attention to the ESR/ESL values of those caps would not matter - and from my experience it does.  With my system, I also went the film cap route with the 47uFs so I believe they also had an affect, but BonnyA only did the large electrolytics and he noticed a marked improvement even prior to bypassing his stock 47uF electrolytic caps.  

Anyway, just something to consider based on my experience with this amp and all I have done to it.  This is not a targeted effort to empty your wallet   ;)

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 01/10/19 at 16:36:20

Jeff, your description of your Red Caps make me think they were run down.  I had/have several seconds (maybe 5 to 10?) of sound when I powered down my ZMA both with the original reds and the new big caps.  Always a couple seconds before the meters start to drop.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/10/19 at 22:03:50


Yeah, that sounds very short - when I first got my ZMA, Palomino and I were doing power cable testing, and we were able to pull the power plug from the ZMA and the wall, and plug in a new cable before the music sputtered to a stop!  I'm pretty sure I posted about that, and I may have even taken a video.

I asked Steve about new big caps, and he felt the ones he's getting (when you can find them in stock!) hold a crapload of juice. He discovered this when he was draining various caps, and the brand that he favored took forever to drain and/or may have melted a resistor or welded something...I forgot exactly what he said. I think it was the  Nichicon 3900uF? Some of the others he looked at were a weak pop and done.

I can't afford the big caps right now - way too broke. But if those Nichicon come back into stock somewhere, I may have to snap some up.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/10/19 at 23:03:22

I remember you posting about that LR. I Was doing it recently into my P3 with stock, XLO, Pangea and PK-10 PALLADIAN. my big reds smile and say take your time the mojo juice ain't dyin' out of these Caps. Most impressive.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Keith on 01/11/19 at 01:19:41

If anybody is interested, there are 3 Nichicon NX 3300uf 500volt caps available at Arrow electronics. Part number LNX2H332MSEH
cheers

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/11/19 at 12:33:13

LOL, I see someone snapped up two of them already!

That price is good, too. I saw it selling for more (but out of stock) elsewhere last night. I was also checking out the other Nichicon series to see if there might be an alternative.

The NX series is the one that Steve likes, it appears to be a long life industrial cap. The QR series is slightly smaller, and has a typical 5000 hour lifespan, but is a fast charge/discharge rate and I was seeing it in stock at several places in the 450v flavor.

I also saw that TDK has some similar caps coming out this year that are low ESR with similar specs to the Nichicon lines. I didn't find out where they are made though - I would typically go for Japanese over Chinese made caps myself.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/12/19 at 02:01:39

Yeah, I want them can put in with a bud.

Jeff, you did stick with Mundorf mlytic HP+ 4700uf 500 VDC correct?

Where can I get them?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Jeff of Arabica on 01/12/19 at 07:13:20

Stone,
Yes, those are the large caps that I ended up selecting.  Couldn’t be more please with their performance in my ZMA and the ESR/ESL are the best I could find based on my research.  BonnyA also has those caps, which are 4 Pole.  

I got mine from HiFi Collective in the UK.  They ship fast and cheap, believe it or not.  

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/12/19 at 14:30:29

Thanks Jeff. However, I'm going to stay with 2 pole Nichicon's. Keep things to spec with the Zen Master's mod's.

https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1408725911/550#550
PG 12 Reply# 551
Steve wrote:
"Yes I have been evaluating several caps in the NX range and found 4700uf is larger than I wanted to go.  I have found the range so far between 3300 to 3900 uf to be more desirable. So the cap values I will be using for the mod will be anything in this window.

Steve"


Arrow Electronics is close to me here. Eden Prairie MN.
Order and pick up/potentially (23+ weeks).

HOWEVER,
I also have Digi-Key north of me here. Thief River Falls MN.
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/nichicon/LNX2H332MSEH/493-9179-ND/1533846

NOT 20,000 hours (only 5000). 23 week lead time for the 20,000 hours and they only listed the 350 volt (not 500 volt). ...probably could order the 3300uF 500 volt/20,000 hours and wait...... .
https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=LNX2H332MSEH


Might go with the 5000 hours. 122 in stock!
However, I would use up these caps in 3.5 years.

OR, what could I use from this page in stock with the correct diameter.
https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=Nichicon%20NX%203900uF

I could go 3900UF 450V 20,000 hours of course/I think?
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/nichicon/LNX2W392MSEG/493-9160-ND/2549303
Can I clamp in the 2.5" diameter vs. the 3 inch dia' really needed?

Jeff, Eric & will, ....definitely enlighten. ...and of course, the Zen Master.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/12/19 at 17:14:25

I don't know what all Steve has tested, but the NX are the only ones he "blessed" so far.

You *need* at least 450v I would think. I wouldn't go lower. Unless you like the sound and flavor of a capacitor blowing up and venting it's juice into your livingspace.

I have a feeling Steve goes with the 20,000 hour ones because they are the most like the original Mallory Red, which are long life industrial caps - I think he said for a Nuclear Power Plant or something like that. IMHO, they have more density, and I think that contributes to their longer life and holding power. I think the higher the density, the ESR can suffer a little though (depending on chemistry and design of course).

Arrow has some Kemet brand with specs very similar to the NX, and supposedly lower ESR, but I don't know if Steve has tested them. They are also $40 cheaper! Then there are other Nichicon variants, but none of them are Long Life - but are faster charge/discharge, high ripple for rectifier use. And as I mentioned TDK has some coming out that they intend to surpass the Nichicon on specs - on paper they look pretty good.

This is a far cry different than when I looked six months ago. I was seeing empty shelves and fewer options. I think we're looking at big caps at the right time! I guess it helps that solar seems to be doing well, and some of these monster caps are used in solar inverters. (shrug) Anyways, we have options. I'm willing to try another brand, I just don't have the funds right now.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/12/19 at 17:34:19


Stone:

https://www.arrow.com/en/products/als30a332np500/kemet-corporation


Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/12/19 at 17:59:25

Thanks LR!

Yes, you did mention these Kemets and low impedance/Low ESR. Thanks for that Link.

Something to ponder and these look good to go.

From my work in Bloomington I could run out to get these on Monday.
However, I don't want to void my warranty. These caps are something I can do. Steve has not tested these either, like you said.

I can happily live with the Red Malory's for awhile longer and see how things shake down. I wish Steve had the Nich's when my ZMA was there/it would have been done. I don't want to spend another $180 in shipping, just for these Caps I can do here with confidence.
Plus, my blood pressure can't take it when I pack my ZMA in its Pelican Case and hand it to the shipping Nazi's.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/12/19 at 19:00:13


Quote:
Plus, my blood pressure can't take it when I pack my ZMA in its Pelican Case and hand it to the shipping Nazi's.


Yeah, I get that...paying them to throw my amp around doesn't sit well with me. I'm thankful I'm in a situation where my work will *pay me* to drive down to Peoria, and I can drop my amp off with Steve. :)

That said, I have a shirt somewhere that says "I Void Warranties" so you know what I'd be doing.   ;)

Hmm, I also thought on this, and my ZMA is just finally blooming - I don't want to muck it up by throwing new caps in there right now. So I'll chill and enjoy my big red caps for a while. Maybe after I narrow down what tubes I want to keep and sell off the rest I'll consider changing the caps. Nothing wrong with what I have now though.


Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/12/19 at 19:08:02

I read you on all counts, LR. ;)
So, I know you won't be surprised if the Kemet 500 VDC 3300uF Low ESR, are in and seasoning come mid April or May. 8-)

Not mucking up what is blooming and I'm so enjoying right now though, either.

Having said what I said.....let's not forget the Zen Master's genius on these mod's: Bypass Caps, Glass Resistor's & output tube Screen grid Resistor's. As I listen with Joy! Worth every penny + shipping. Not kissing arse.... Just the facts Jack.
I wouldn't mind Steve's opinion on the Kemet's in question?
See reply#77, for complete Link.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/12/19 at 23:11:56


I just had another HOLY CRAP moment!

I'm listening to the Paul McGowen2 playlist on Tidal that Palomino was nice enough to assemble for us from Paul's Post the other day. Same setup as before when I noticed the bloom. I'm sitting here building audiophile PCs for some customers, just letting the list play for hours, there was a slight pause then Fanfare For the Common Man came on as Roon software switched from Paul's playlist to my Demotunes Playlist.

The tympany hit and I was genuinely startled - heart pounding, and fight or flight adrenaline dumping through my body. Then this big grin as I realized what it was once my brain caught up.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it earlier in this thread - the 25th Anniversary mod and the 25th Anniversary amps are so dead quiet, and so sudden and impactful on the leading edge of notes that I find it startling.

I've listened to many amps over the years, and very few have that 0-60 feel that live music has - think about a band that starts a song where drummer quietly goes one-two-three-four then CRACKS the snare drum on the first beat of the song. The ZMA and even the little Zen do this now, and I friggen love it!

For those that were at Decfest when the Imperial SOs and Betsy Baffles were hooked up, and we heard a bass note that made everyone in the room go HOLY SHIT - not because it was loud, but because it was impactful....well this is like that, except with *any* leading note!

I'm so in love with the ZMA now - I really feel it keeps up with the Zen amp (at least my modded one for sure). And it's starting to sound like the ZMA again, where vocals have this texture to it that is a combination of the artists voice and even some of the dryness of a sensitive microphone. It's that rich harmonics and texture that when you hear it makes you think damn they have a great voice, and that's what sold me on the ZMA 5 years ago...except it's even mucher! LOL

I think this sinches it, I'm going to hold off on the big caps upgrade for a bit. I'm quite pleased with what I'm hearing now.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 01/12/19 at 23:33:29

SnowMass I think was helping out there too Eric, but yes, these Modded amps really are "alive"--it's as if there is no real lag between the note playback at all, it's as if if just hits your ear at the same time as the speaker, that's sort of how it seems to me.

I was just listening to this cd:




At one moment the whole group, singer and backing trio, all just came out of a gentle groove into a moment of high energy drive and that never sounded more "real"--more as if a live presentation--in any system before. 3 watts seeming to present a concert stage with no restriction or constriction, and a murmur to a roar with no limitation. . . . (something I find these small tubes excel at). These 25th Anniversary modded amps are very special--I'm sure that holds down the line and I can't wait to hear what they do for the Taboo Mk IV.

Yours and Larry's ZMA are still "babies" in the terms of seasoning in. I think you'll find they reach several more plateaux before they attain a near god-like status.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by HockessinKid on 01/12/19 at 23:51:17

LR,

You are really making me salivate about sending my ZMA in for the 25th Anniversary modifications. I'm doing my best to exercise patience, waiting for the Nichicon capacitors to arrive, before sending the amplifier to the mother ship. Ah, the anticipation & for my 25th Anniversary modded ZROCK2 build as well.

HK

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lonely Raven on 01/12/19 at 23:59:16


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SnowMass I think was helping out there too Eric,


Damnit, I meant to include that in my description, but I was so excited I forgot. Thanks for the reminder Lon. Yeah, Snowmass definitely had something to do with that - also dead quiet and zero to 60 improvement.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by stone_of_tone on 01/13/19 at 00:18:43

I'm still glad I did 3 out of the 4 mod's now (you think)! I live close enough to drive down in May as still planned for the Nichicon's or Kemet, maybe? That is why I said mid April or May doing the Kemet solo here. Steve should have the Nich'es by then. ;) 8-)

Cost more? Really? To drive down (by appt) with my girlfriend, visit Steve, Devon, Sarah and her hubby. I have not seen Steve or DeVon face to face in almost 11 years. Listen to some great tunes on great Decware Gear. Have my mod completed and not over stay my welcome. Drive back up along the River home.....priceless. Plus, lets not forget the shipping Nazi's DO NOT touch my ZMA....BP stays low and the shipping cost is better spent! ;)

I think you're right Lon. Our Mod's are still babies. More to come. I to today had some, in my case, rim shots grab my attention from the other room. Had me adrenaline rush into the room and start the song over and just marvel at it's alive with the song in its entirety. Like I said and you just said LR, as good as this is going....no hurry on the big Caps.

First things first though! Mid February I should get my ZBIT** and late March or early April get my ZLC*. Right now? Continue enjoying the seasoning in of my ZMA Mod's.............. . Plus, seasoning/enjoying a beautiful matched power quad of Tung-Sol 7027A's from thetubestore.



**I have a form of the ZBIT/RCA coming out of my ZDSD. I want the dual attenuation (option/ordered), to compare/contrast, coming out of the ZDSD balanced outputs to ZBIT to RCA feeding my ZMA! I want the ZBIT to future proof my potential next DAC, too.
Note: The output voltage of the trannies coming out of the ZDSD directly run to my ZMA RCA inputs, lets me get so very close to what my NOS Input Tubes are doing. I am in a smaller dedicated Room/Treated...that purposefully augments this direct connect intimacy.

I rarely put in my vintage ARC LS-2B MkII (Class A) Line Stage (Pre)/my additional Kimber KS1030 is used. However, fun to have in sometimes.....because I will of course run the Balanced DIRECT Option out of the LS-2B, to the ZBIT. ...bring on in my ZBIT!

*ZLC, could supplant my P3 entirely. Kimber PK-10 Palladian from wall to ZLC.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 02/17/19 at 18:47:45

QUESTION FROM the Decware Fans WEB PAGE:

Steve, when will the anniversary mods for the Rachel and ZP3 be ready?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 02/18/19 at 00:07:13

I got the Anniversary mods done on my ZP3 before Christmas.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Geno on 02/18/19 at 01:16:09

Hi Adam!  I have my TT boxed up and will ship it to KAB tomorrow to let them work their magic on it.

Also, I’m calling Sarah tomorrow to set up shipping my ZP3 in for the mods. I got mine used, and it came with the standard caps. While I’m letting them do the 25th mods, should I have the standard cap changed over to the beeswax cap?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 02/20/19 at 00:31:32

Sorry for the late reply.  I think Steve might need to upgrade the caps to beeswax if they are not already.  You should ask him about it.  He's very frank about what he thinks is worth doing.

Are you having Kevin rewire the tonearm?  He can put the tube inside if he does.  Come to think of it, I'm sure you'd want that anyway since he can get rid of the stock ICs and put RCA jacks on the back.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Geno on 02/20/19 at 00:37:53

Yep. Having all the mods done. Will Kevin put the tube on the inside of the tonearm as part of the rewiring, or should I call him about that?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Archie on 02/20/19 at 00:44:37

You should tell him to be safe.  He may do it automatically now, I don't know.  When he did mine in 2007 he didn't offer the inner-tube.

I don't know if you're getting the Isonoe feet but I think they are a good option -- far better than the stock feet, especially as over time the stock feet can collapse a bit.  I got mine for less by shopping around.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Geno on 02/20/19 at 01:56:44

I got the Isonoes last week😊.  I’ll call Kevin tomorrow and make sure about the tube. You’d think as much trouble as it was to get on the outside, that would have been the first thing I asked him about :-/

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 03/19/19 at 05:43:46


I know I've posted about this somewhere, perhaps in the TORII MK4 forum, but it's worth updating this thread with the resulting great success of the Zen TORII MK4 Anniversary Mods...

Without getting into the back story of the Anniversary mods other than to say all of our amplifiers got the mods and all responded extremely well with the sound elevating proportional to the money spent which is simply outstanding.

The Zen TORII MK4 amplifier has been a nearly 25 year wrestling match with a circuit I was convinced could give an impossible sound I was after, one that was intoxicating and seductive with the kind of resolution that shames solid state and a sound stage that was literally 60 feet deep.  An amplifier that had all the even order harmonic qualities and virtues of SET but the power of push-pull with the same transparency of a 3 part signal path... very rare.

Tonight I am listening for about the 8th time to the Zen TORII MK4 with the full Anniversary mods and just for fun I am running a set of 807 output tubes on each side using the appropriate adapters and driving them with a pair of matched Amperex NOS gold pinned 6992's. The bass of the 807's is polite, ideal if you don't want to piss off your neighbors or your wife, but don't mistake polite for lacking... it sounds more real than anything you'll hear any time soon. The remainder of the spectrum is simply stunning, hypnotic, stimulating, mesmerizing.

When I listen to this amplifier tonight with these mods I feel like the nearly 25 year battle has been won and the result actually exceeds what I thought was possible with this amplifier.  It's a real hallmark moment actually!

We're talking about just around $800 of strategically chosen and implemented exotic parts elevating this amplifier by almost 50%.  More elevation than any other Decware amp with similar mods.  Please think it over, and don't hurry to send your amps in for the mods because we're almost swamped as it is ; )

Steve



Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by ScottNC on 03/19/19 at 15:09:52

I was just shutting my system down last down last night right about when you posted this. I can attest to your evaluations of the Torri’s elevation in all aspects of the amp. As everything new and modified for 25th Anniversary Mods and upgrades settles in, I now know I have no reason to move myself into a ZMA because of my room size. That upgrade would have cost me dearly, although I’m sure I be happy with it, I feel absolutely no need now to even dream of it. My Torri MKIV now just continues to blow me away, it has unrelenting reserve power, it just doesn’t quit, the sound is so different than before. The mods and upgrades truly are a great value for the money, I am amazed every time I hear the system and the amazing thing is, it just keeps getting better and better.
My ZLC is on the brown truck, so I can’t wait to get that worked into the system. I know it is going to make a substantial addition as my dedicated feed still picks up the furnace fan, the dishwasher, the kitchen lights, hell, I think my clock in the bedroom is mucking no things up AC wise!
Can’t thank you enough Steve for your perseverance on this amp, I am a lucky guy to own one.   [smiley=10.gif]


Best,
Scott

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by maddog07 on 03/22/19 at 00:02:02

is there going to be 25th Anniv. mods for Tori MK.3's?

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Lon on 03/22/19 at 00:38:47

Yes, it's listed on the price sheet Steve posted some months back.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by maddog07 on 03/22/19 at 19:14:19

and where might this price list be?
I'm unable to find it anywhere.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by pursuitofnow on 03/22/19 at 19:15:45

First post of this thread on page 1.

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 03/24/19 at 05:08:53


So far I have personally done Anniversary mods on just over 100 units.  As I look over at the incoming bench there are 7 more that appeared since Friday morning.  I've been getting great feedback from everyone so far and it's a thrill each time I do one because I know what the customer is going to experience when he or she gets it back.  (Yes, Decware actually has female customers and the reason you don't see many in main stream audio is because it doesn't actually sound that good and women just call it like they hear it).

Title: Re: ANNIVERSARY MODS for DECWARE gear
Post by Steve Deckert on 03/30/19 at 06:23:37

Visit the TORII MK4 forum and read the thread titled "Is there ever a time when it can sound too real?"

https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1550883971

The last post (as of todays' date) gets into some deep results with the TORII MK4 anniversary mods!

Steve

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