Post by Steve Deckert on 03/01/22 at 01:16:44
We finally have our new Decware Silver Reference Interconnects done and on the website!
https://www.decwareproducts.com/dsr3
They are offered both with and without the white heat shrink.
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Title: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Steve Deckert on 03/01/22 at 01:16:44 We finally have our new Decware Silver Reference Interconnects done and on the website! https://www.decwareproducts.com/dsr3 They are offered both with and without the white heat shrink. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Dr3wman on 03/01/22 at 11:42:58 Very nice work! I will definitely be giving those a try. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/01/22 at 12:44:35 Seems like a good value. Checks all the boxes. Well done! Way too long for my setup. Is there a possibility of custom lengths? Or, parts availability? John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by CAJames on 03/01/22 at 15:11:34 I wish Decware would make (or at least offer) the XLR to RCA cables you need to run the UFO amps as balanced monoblocs. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Steve Deckert on 03/01/22 at 16:22:25 We are working on that. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Zork on 03/03/22 at 18:12:47 I ordered a set of the new Decware Silver Reference Interconnects yesterday. Can anyone tell me the method of positioning the sliding weight? I've never owned a cable with the weight. Oh, I'll start by using the new DSR3S from a ZRock2 to a Torii Jr V2. Thanks! |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Dr3wman on 03/03/22 at 18:39:38 Like Zork.......I am curious about the sliding weight. I have not seen cables with them before, and am unfamiliar with what the weight does/how it functions. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/04/22 at 20:37:16 These cables are the real deal! I just built a complete set of interconnects using the same geometry with stuff laying around here at home. The only difference is the copper shield is on the outside of the braid assembly finishing with Techflex. The braids are composed of 8 #24 PP insulated solid copper communication wire. No weight. Blacker backgrounds, more detail, nice sound stage. I'll give them sometime to break in and may move it up a notch to a silver braid. I don't think anyone will go wrong with Steve's Silver Reference interconnects. John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Lon on 03/04/22 at 21:14:22 I've been using interconnects made with PCOCC copper and PCOCC silver (not silver plated copper, but separate conductors of each) for a decade now. They were very expensive, but they have been a blessing and a curse, letting me hear everything, and being as musical as possible. I am sure that these new interconnects from Steve have a similar nature. Glad he's offering cabling of this caliber! |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by DPC on 03/04/22 at 22:23:41 Good endorsement Lon! Tempting, very tempting........ |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/05/22 at 10:47:34 I hear you Lon. The more advanced my system gets, time becomes warped with well known material. A thunderous lightening strike location becomes more evident as it rolls across wide open plains. An unnoticeable recording error becomes protracted and evident. Individual voices can be followed in chorus. On and on. The interconnects I built connect the DAC output to CSP2+(your’s at one point), Zrock2, and SE84 clone. Accumulated length is about a meter. Not sure how Steve terminated his Silver Reference at the RCAs. I split the 8 copper conductors - four for signal and four for audio ground. The copper shielding braid is grounded to the audio ground in one RCA and left floating at the other end. This makes the cables directional. Detail has improved a good bit and hum can only be heard with my ear up-to the speaker. I plan on doing this cable scheme thru out including inside all equipment. John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by piezoman on 03/05/22 at 19:23:43 Aside from the effects shielding, what is the direct comparison between these and the previous generation in terms of sonics? |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Zork on 03/08/22 at 02:27:37 I just installed a set of the DSR3 from ZRock2 to ToriiJrV2 and they do everything my DSRs did better in all regards. I could tell straight away straightaway! I'm hearing things I've never heard before and things as I've never heard them before and that to me is the true test. I ordered another pair just a bit ago. Definitely a fabulous sounding product and the build quality is superb also. Try a set! I'm still not certain how to implement the weight feature. Any ideas? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/09/22 at 12:09:39 Being it is called a weight and adjustable it must be used to ease vibration of the cable by positioning it at areas that might be prone to inducing vibration on the cable. ie raising cable off a shelf, keeping a dangling loop from touching sides of surfaces, etc. Should not be confused with a ferrite core which was used to help eliminate radio frequencies created by equipment and positioned at the closest end connection of said equipment. The arrow on the weight points to the signal direction from source to amp. Keeping all interconnects oriented in the same manner will maximize the rejection of outside interference which helps with darker backgrounds in the music. John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/10/22 at 18:17:04 My version of these cables keep improving. Bass is still a bit stuffy but getting better. I'm tempted to order a pair of Steves then perform surgery making three to fit my layout :P John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by piezoman on 03/10/22 at 19:43:03 Quote:
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/12/22 at 15:01:38 Quote:
I have not heard the previous version. Steve has no problem revealing what the wire consist of, no voodoo gimmickerly - just plain common sense. The previous version is basically a high end microphone cable with a custom cover mimicking his probably all along used configured cables in his listening room. He auditions the new cables in a frustrating manner as "finally" available. My guess is he finally found a source and/or person that can braid the preferred configuration economically. The braided scheme with silver plated copper conductors directly addresses the problem of resistance in cable lengths effect on sound. Silver is a better conductor. Eight separate insulated silver plated copper conductors creates a litz wire which deals with skin effect on higher frequency harmonics. The braid scheme itself gives the cable lower inductance but higher capacitance as compared to strands running parallel. The combined product gives a well rounded signal from one end to the other making it transparent. I tried braiding salvaged USB 28 gauge tin plated copper wire into a 12 strand round cable. Ended up with a 66” and 30” cable. Problem is it just became practically impossible to terminate with the RCA connectors on hand. I ordered a new set of 20 with longer barrels and a 10mm opening to try this cable in. Some say tin plating is better then silver sonically. I will find out. After all, the component's leads in a point to point is tin or tin plated. John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by piezoman on 03/20/22 at 20:21:43 Just sold my 3 prs. of the DSR-II's and ordered 3 prs. of the DSR-3's, delivery expected this Tuesday. I look forward to additional clarity and instrument separation when listening to the most favored of all: baroque and classical period chamber music. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/21/22 at 10:20:29 I think your going to be pleased Brad. This scheme of Steve's new silver interconnects will quiet the system and bring out more detail providing an unfilter signal. Give the bass sometime to flatten out. After a couple 100 miles in the saddle over the past week, I found myself calm enough to finish the salvaged 28 gauge tin plated copper USB interconnet wires with the onhand RCA ends. Impressive! There is a crispness added to the high end, a bit quiet in the mids and the bass seems to stumble on itself. This is compared to the cables that were originally assembled with PP copper. I at this point attribute the quiet to a lighter gauge of wire. 20 1/2 as compared to 18 gauge in the first pair and the RCAs ends are some very old brass Radio Shack with the spring restraint. Only 7 hours burn in at this time. Maybe time will improve the bass. Still waiting for the set of 20 RCAs from China. I might try some salvaged Monster S-video cables if the 8 strand braid is not to big to fit in the barrel! John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/23/22 at 17:22:10 I had a good conversation with Steve yesterday and prepared a line of questions of my Decware equipment before hand as not to strain his valuable time in the future. As most of us probably guessed the new interconnects are made by a China supplier under his directions. He is planning on offering 1/2 meter this summer. Steve is accessible by appointment within a week. That is how it worked at this time when I called. What surprised me is how calm and laid back he is in spite of all the beehive activity that surely surrounds him. Enjoyable conversation to boot! [smiley=peanuts42.gif] John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Archie on 03/23/22 at 17:27:11 Quote:
This is a troubling direction that Steve is taking. Go ahead, ban me from the Forum but the truth is the truth. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by kulafu on 03/23/22 at 17:48:25 When I contacted Steve for a recommendation on speaker cables for the Tiny Radials, this is what he recommended that I purchased from Ebay. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by kulafu on 03/23/22 at 17:50:01 Should have added the description: 8ag Pure Silver plated OCC Hifi Speaker Cable Hi-end Speaker Wire for Amplifier |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/23/22 at 18:05:18 Archie I would much rather have access to what Steve uses on his equipment than not have it. How much do you think Decware can produce? Still enjoying your F15s? I really don't mean to be a smart ass but China is part of just about anything out there. He did also mention that the speaker cables he has been using over the last year will be also available soon. Same configuration as the interconnects. As long as it is under his microscope, I don't see any issue on who makes it. John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by chapsjon on 03/23/22 at 18:36:39 I try to avoid buying things made in China when I can. This isn't always possible. Though I would prefer Steve going with a different option, I get his desire to balance cost and quality. Ultimately, consumers get to choose what to buy. If you don't want cables made in China, spend your money elsewhere. I did the research and discovered that many high cost cables are rebranded or "reskinned" Mogami cables from Japan. Decided to skip the nonsense and buy Mogami direct from Japan, made in Japan. My points of comparison are pretty sparse as I couldn't afford to buy unnecessary cables merely for comparison purposes, but I am extremely pleased with Mogami. As someone on an extreme budget, I have to take care where I spend. Cables are not an area I will pursue further for now. I did the research and bought the best I could afford in accordance with my personal values. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Steve Deckert on 03/23/22 at 18:44:15 Quote:
If you research the process of creating single-crystal wire pulls, it is not possible to do as a small business and this OCC wire is what it takes to sound better than our 20 year reference cable. OCC wire requires tech only found in the largest of wire and cable companies of which the best and most diverse are from China. The majority of all wire comes from there regardless of the small or large American business braiding and branding it for audiophiles. I pursue the best sound. I had to make my own reference cables to get it -- which were unshielded. When CoVid hit, logistics blew that design up and the cable had to be retired. Additionally since it's invention nearly 20 years ago, we are now blasted with RF and WIFI and other noise that didn't used to be there. Fortunately I started sampling wire for over a year to see what it would take to get the same or better sound with a full shield. This is where that journey ended. Do I care that some big company can make better wire than me, no. I care more about making sure my amps sound their best and this is the cable that will ensure just that and you'll notice it's affordable. I don't braid it into plant hangers, discharge a Tesla coil through it and charge $1000's per meter which would be a troubling direction. Every cable btw, regardless of where the wire is made has the final assembly and testing done here at Decware by ourselves, so the direction we are taking seems pretty responsible considering we have 1500 amps on order. Steve |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Lon on 03/23/22 at 19:52:00 An article about the Ohno continuous cast copper process: https://mcru.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ohno.pdf |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by chapsjon on 03/23/22 at 21:02:54 Thanks for providing more information on your thought process Steve. Not that it matters, but I agree that your focus needs to remain on the "hardware" like amps. That you have done the work to find high quality cables and bring them to your customers at a better price point is appreciated, regardless of origin. I should add that though good, the Mogami I use are more traditional cables in a more economical strata from OCC wire. Mogami may have OCC cable, I am unsure. As I said before, we all have a budget and I tried to make the best purchase I could within mine. In fact, it was your (Steve's) use of Mogami for internal wiring in the past that brought it to my attention in the first place! |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Archie on 03/23/22 at 21:38:05 "Out of house" build is not at all my concern, if that's what was inferred from my post. China manufacturing should be the absolute last resort. Certainly if they have the best of the best like Lii Audio then great but building cables can't possibly be in that same category. And yes, my opinion is purely based on an "America First' patriotism which some might view as political and therefore taboo. But we all have to live our principles one way or another. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Lon on 03/23/22 at 22:07:20 I don't believe Mogami has used Ohno Continuous Cast copper. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by michaelG on 03/24/22 at 00:39:51 I find it interesting that Steve has vetted those ebay cables. I gives more options to us. And since I’m from Canada, buying Decware is already buying a foreign product ;) +1 for pro cables, for me it is canare4s8 for speakers and Lv61s (coaxial video cable) for interconnects. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Edsonic on 03/24/22 at 01:56:05 Some perspective on the import/export go-round; The U.S. is the second largest exporter in the world. After Canada and Mexico, China is the next largest importer of U.S. goods and services. Can't wait to get my own armada of Decware signal transporters and tie them together with these new cables. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Arpin on 03/24/22 at 03:24:52 When I started looking into high end cables there were a lot of annoyances. Like Archie, I’m a bit of a stickler when it comes to made in the USA. So if I wanted to live by that, then I wasn’t going to be buying anything from eBay or Amazon. So I started looking at cables made in the USA. BOY… they aren’t cheap and not every company says where they get their wire from. Props to Steve for transparency. When I coupled the cost of made here with the origin of the materials, it was a fairly frustrating experience. So I decided to try and make my own cables. And then that felt even more frustrating because most of the high quality connectors don’t originate from inside the USA. So I ended up sourcing most of my connectors out of Taiwan and China. One or two came out of Japan, and one other out of the UK. And, on some of these origins I honestly can’t be sure that they really came from where they said. The whole importer, exporter problem. But when I compared what I could make for a certain dollar value versus what I could buy, I decided to heck with it, and placed some orders for parts and pulled out my old soldering iron. I’m super lazy, but I’m also not rich, so that meant I had to make my own stuff for ultimate theoretical performance (solid silver). I’m super glad I did this and will never look back. For a time I was monkeying around with the idea of turning it into a business, but having gotten a clear sense of parts costs and labor, it stopped making too much sense. I still think that most cable makers are charging way way too much, but some places, like Decware, know how to make things at a fair price. When I sold hifi I always told my customers not to waste too much money on cables. I’ve since learned first hand how cables can make a wonderful and meaningful difference. One thing I know for sure, is that Decware doesn’t have the 90-95% margins like the majority of cable companies. And Steve is a wizard doing all of the experimentation that we would like to do but don’t have the will or time to do. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/24/22 at 14:43:29 Quote:
I am totally onboard with it. My problem is with greedy American capitalists as is being referred with many of the posts in this thread. My words may have confused some that it was a simple drop ship supply of the new silver reference cables. I believe that has been cleared up. [smiley=tunes57.gif] John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Steve Deckert on 03/24/22 at 17:04:21 Quote:
What makes you think it isn't? See if you can find this wire here in the USA. : ) Steve |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by piezoman on 03/24/22 at 19:45:23 Quote:
W...T...F US-China trade DEFICIT https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html get your shit together if you're gonna talk ECON |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by piezoman on 03/24/22 at 19:55:05 I was just listening with 3 sets of the DSR-3's and there's definitely an improvement regarding noise floor...with even more clarity and definition than before. A very noticeable +++ on these over the DSR-II's. The DSR-3's are staying....and looking forward to replacing the ZSTYX with the new speaker cables as soon as they're available! |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 03/25/22 at 09:45:21 Quote:
I had an exhausting search in China! For you DIY guys that want to braid your own this is what I found:  In e-mail exchange the supplier assured me it is UPOCC copper. Do not know why sellers list the purity rating for OCC being it is single crystal - the purest. For those that are tempted to make their own be prepared for many hours of work that will enlighten you to the value that Decware is providing with the reasonable pricing. John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Geno on 04/13/22 at 19:28:12 Kulafu posted this a while back. I just got some, and they are MUCH better than the Duelund or 10 awg Mil spec I had used before it - and it is less expensive ;) Quote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202996838435?hash=item2f438df023:g:820AAOSwpFNexTeP |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by jec3504 on 04/14/22 at 17:30:30 That's good to hear Geno, Ordered some also. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Geno on 04/14/22 at 19:11:07 Quote:
Steve, have you made any progress on this? Thanks! Geno |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by lazb on 04/14/22 at 20:00:31 a ZBIT takes care of that problem nicely |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by CAJames on 04/14/22 at 20:10:17 Quote:
ZBIT solves a different problem. It converts the differential signal to single ended before it is amplified. The cable to which Geno refers preserves the differential signal and makes your stereo amp a balanced monobloc. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 04/15/22 at 09:16:42 For speaker cables I'm holding these in my cart. https://www.ebay.com/itm/HI-End-12TC-Speaker-Cable-OCC-Copper-Audiophile-speaker-cable-HIFI-Banana-plug-/203165392552?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0 Same supplier as the interconnect wire posted above. I recieved a shorted(suppliers mistake) >:( order and completed two sets of 12" lenght interconnects. I spent a day in total failure attempting to make the two, then restarted the next day completing in a couple of hours! Waiting to receive the balance of that order before ordering the speaker cables. Good to hear that these wires do not disappoint! John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 04/15/22 at 12:25:58 Also, this is the second order that was shorted from China. Different suppliers, each order was many pieces of the same item. Each order was short by many of the pieces. The first short order was fulfilled complete with a second shipment. I am still waiting for the other short order's second shipment which has been setting in the carriers China facility 4 days now [smiley=icqlite22.png] John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by DanG on 04/24/22 at 14:24:40 I purchased the DSR3 1M interconnect. I'm upgrading from the DSR, which I thought were great. IMHO these are better. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by DRB on 04/27/22 at 01:53:45 This isn’t quite on the topic of the Decware interconnects, but it sort of follows the speaker cable options that came up in this thread. I’ll not belabor the point, the Gotham Audio 50150 GAC SPK COAX 2x2.5 speaker cable is a nice cable that is not too expensive. A single 12’ run from Amazon (link below) is $50. I am not sure where it can be found in bulk now. Instead of using it as a coax cable with the center conductor for the positive and the “shield” as the negative leg, I strip the center and wrap the outer conductors around the center then terminate with a decent connector. I learned this from the former Gotham Audio Rep. So a single 12’ run, as linked below, will yield a 6’ pair. The question of sonics will be asked, so here goes an attempt…. I have a pair of Canary M350 mono 300B amps (which is why I am keenly interested in the Steve’s new 300B amp), a highly modified, by me, Electron Images tube preamp, a Blue Circle DAC and Tidal loudspeakers (at the moment in this config I haven’t replaced them with my single driver speakers - I need to finish them before doing a shoot out, but my single drivers were my preference in my previous room configuration- the Tidals had no chance:-)). I have tried cables from Argento Audio to home made scraps. Cables can be tricky and I trust what Steve recommends. Strangely, cables shouldn’t make a difference, yet they do. We can discuss the crazy physics behind it all, but at the end of the day the music speaking to us through our systems is what matters regardless what the test bench, or equations might say. I had 4 different copper speaker cables on the Tidals. One was an unknown German brand I used to import. It was quite good and is a constant go to for a reasonable speaker cable. It is a 10’ pair for about $1200 retail. The other was a well known British professional brand, Atlas, approximately 10’ pair for around $2k, some Canare Star Quad speaker cable and finally the Gotham 50150 speaker cable. The German cable was good, upfront and added a honey glaze to the sound. After a while it was too much of a good thing. The issues I was having was that the sound was fixed to the speakers more than I hoped, unless I was completely centered then the image was good, but still located between the speakers and anchored and dripping of honey glaze. The Atlas cables eliminated the honey glaze, which was a great thing. However, they kept the sound bound to a foot to the left and right of the speaker cabinets. The center fill was not bad, when centered, but I found myself looking for the balance control to force the speakers to image better. I cannot say anything negative about the sonics of the Canare cables, but just as they did nothing bad, they did not do anything amazing. They do their job and do it well. Now the Gotham…I have been looking for my system to do what Steve described the HDTs with the Lii driver have done for him. I wanted a walk through soundstage, transparency but not at the expense of musicality. I am mostly there now. With the Gotham speaker cables (I’ll go into my other cables - that are unconventional as well if you want me to) I now seem to have transparency, detail, and the experience of feeling as if a person is actually playing instruments instead of the sounds of the instruments coming through the speakers. What I mean is that the human behind the physical catalyst that creates the note is there with the note. Notes are not just sounds, they come from a warm human body that affects the weight of a piano key being struck to the microphone picking up the effect of the human body on the acoustic environment in which the music was recorded. Now vocals not only have body, as so many audiophile publications like to proclaim, but they have all of the characteristics as if they person where there singing, body heat, warmth of the breath, the tightening of the muscles to belt out a note along with the movement of the person as they actually produce the notes. The actuality of the event as a human-made event captured in time and space comes through more than I recall having heard it before. I have spent some considerable time tweaking the system and following my standard speaker setup method and so I am sure the speaker cables are only part of the equation, but this the most recent series of tests and changes while everything else stayed the same. I have not heard a braided OCC cable, like GR Research or the cables shown above from eBay, or the cables from VH Audio. I have heard quite a few cables and the Gothams, if they match well with your system may be a wonderful addition for not very much money and effort, that some of you may enjoy. Best Regards, DRB https://gothamcable.com/en/gothamcables/speakercables/50150coax2x25 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6PFEEI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Q2RNX2YBGVRDA8DAQ9C9 |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 05/13/22 at 10:52:47 I ended up with this bulk cable for speaker cable use:  The Chinese have surely captured our ambiguous language. Their wording in this add skirts on the edge of deception. 8ag refers to? The 15awg in the description refers to the diameter of a single strand including the teflon jacket. The bottom line is this cable is 11awg if using 8 strands of the 16 as one leg for a speaker connection. Two complete cables would need to be used for a 8awg speaker cable. I kind of figured this before placing the order and contemplating making another duplicate order of this cable. The cable as braided creates a tube inside that opens options for experimentation. Right up my alley! John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Geno on 05/15/22 at 21:50:00 Hey Steve. I just noticed that Decware is now offering two new type interconnect cables - Y-RCA cables and SE84 bridge cables. Please don’t forget that we also need your version of XLR to RCA cables for a fully balanced monobloc setup! Thank you, Geno |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by CAJames on 05/16/22 at 03:55:37 Quote:
What Geno said.... Yes Please! 
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Mike W on 06/25/22 at 01:22:15 Just ordered a second pair of DSR’s. Unmatched in my UFO2.1 system against some solid competition. Unfortunately, trying them in my other systems has created a problem for me wanting more. They are that good. I look forward to the XLR to RCA option as well when it becomes available. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by BicycleJoe on 06/25/22 at 18:06:26 I have a full set O/O of the decware silver reference interconnects and speaker wires plus some AC cords for the ZPC to my ZP3 phono pre and one for the Rachael. But for now I am using these it took 3 weeks to arrive from China. Before I was using unshielded West Penn Wire 226 AWG14 on ZON  8ag OCC Silver Plated HiFi Speaker Cables High Performance Home Audio Amplifier Sound Wire (9.9Ft / 3m) 1 offer from $96.00$96.00 |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Mannytheseacow on 06/26/22 at 02:15:22 Hi, Joe. I’m excited to see that you have these cables. I’ve seen them on eBay and thought about trying them out. What is your impression of them and what are you comparing them with? |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 06/26/22 at 12:31:18 BJ, I purchased bulk cable with the same wire and description. Added banana ends making 10.5 foot speaker cables. A layout changed forced the need for a extra 1/2 foot. Measuring the individual silver/copper strands the AWG works out to be 11 a cable. With about 70 hours on the cables in my system, there is notable bass/mid weakness as compared to silver clad 8 AWG copper cables it replaced(each cable + & - was configured parallel with each seperated by 1" natural cotton piping). Just before the bulk cable was added the silver clad 8 AWG was tried in a braided scheme that improved detail as compared to the parallel scheme. I may go back to the braided 8 gauage scheme and use the 11 gauge braid for Tiny Radials in the office system. Steve recommended the 11 gauge, as noted by a poster earlier in this thread, for the TRs. At this time I think the Lii speakers need the 8 gauge as a minimum to keep the impedance push/pull between Steve's amp fast and ample [smiley=tunes26.gif] |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by CAJames on 06/26/22 at 18:30:11 That’s interesting JB. I’ve been using the 8 AWG silver clad wire, same as Decware ZSTYX, and am very happy with it. But I moved my speakers a little and now need longer cables. I have more of the 8 AWG wire I can use but decided to take a chance on the eBay cable based on glowing reviews from some of the forum members. I should have it in a few days and look forward to the comparison. I’m using Omega SAMs with UFO amps, configured as balance mono blocs. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Mannytheseacow on 06/26/22 at 19:25:04 I’ve had similar experience, not with silver but with gage. It seems like about 30 years I’ve been using Belden 9497 and when I connected it to my zkit and Lii F15’s it was flat and less than dynamic. I made a 3 wire braid out of it then and the sound improved in orders of magnitude (qualitative) in that system. I had similar experience upgrading from a single 9497 to canare starquad with my Hegel/Magnepan system, and can’t say that I can tell a difference between the Canare and triple braid Belden. At some point I want to upgrade to some serious silver cabling but just weighing my options right now. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by BicycleJoe on 06/26/22 at 20:31:22 [b] manny the sea cow/b] I am using them only temporarily with the Rega IO my JBL's and TT. The room isn't set up properly or treated. It's just a stopgap while I wait for the Rachel and ZP3 after I get that set up with some more efficient speakers I'll use these cables for a bedroom system. I ordered them on Amazon and it took almost 3 weeks to receive them but Amazon said it would take 45 days. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 06/27/22 at 13:19:53 Mannytheseacow thanks for your input! CAJames looking forward to your impressions of the cabling in your system! I started gathering material for redoing the parallel scheme to braiding but stopped and gave the China cable a go. Now reconsidering and may continue with the redo and use both cables in parallel :) or just purchase some spades and run both cables, as is, in parallel 🤔 Oh the fun of this hobby! John |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by CAJames on 06/30/22 at 23:51:45 So I've got several hours on the ebay cables and yeah, they do have less bass. And maybe a little less silky smoothness compared to the milspec 8 AWG. To be clear, they are very good for the price and I'm comparing 1 M of the ebay cables to about 20" of the 8 AWG (no twists, I had the cables separated and wanted to make them as short as possible). I'm going to listen for a few more days and then try 1 M of the 8 AWG. On a separate but related note, any tips to separate my banana plugs from the shrink tubing? |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by JBzen on 08/05/22 at 12:07:15 Removing shrink tubing can be done by reheating or a carefull cut parallel with a utility knife set with minimal blade exposure. Steve is now offering his new ICs in 1/2 meter which will make a nice aesthetic vibration free setup. The pic is custom made ones that I made. 
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Burgermeester on 08/10/22 at 23:54:57 If the power cables were available in 50cm I'd buy half a dozen, probably. |
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Title: Re: NEW Decware Silver Reference Interconnects! Post by Earthbound on 08/11/22 at 00:10:13 It does stink that there seems to be a lot of money just swinging and collecting more dust than necessary! But, knowing myself, I would still buy longer than I need just in case. |
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