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https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl AUDIO FORUMS >> Classifieds >> TorII Jr. for sale https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1473796736 Message started by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 20:58:56 |
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Title: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 20:58:56 Guys, Sad to say but after 5 months of use, I'm parting with my lovely Torii Jr. It has Beeswax Type 1 caps and it was sent back to Decware 2 weeks ago and Steve put in the new quieter pre-amp tubes. Also I purchased 2 Bel E88CC Cryo treated pre-amp tubes($154.00) and a NOS Philips 5R4GYS Cryo treated rectifier tube($127.00) all are made in Holland. These extra tubes will be included with the amp. Now get this... It has a REAL walnut base! You may not realize it but Decware actually uses a Sepia wood with walnut finish but I am a real wood nut so Zyggi did this base in actual walnut wood which was $150 upgrade. The amp is in great shape other than a very small light scuff on the side. I had to wait for 3 months to have this built so if you want one now, and don't want to go through the excruciating pain of break in, here's the TorII Jr. for you. It will be carefully packed in the original packaging. $2450.00. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 21:01:00 Close up of Philips tube. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 21:02:24 Side View. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 21:05:15 Rear view. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 21:06:53 Side view. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by will on 09/13/16 at 21:59:27 Quote:
Nice amp! I think Bel are actually made in India. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/13/16 at 22:05:08 Thanks Will for catching that, my mistake yep made in India. Just the rectifier tube is made in Holland. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by will on 09/13/16 at 23:03:49 Seems Bel may have been sort of a satellite for Euro tubes. I have some Bel India made ECC88s that are said to be Mullard tooled that are really good tubes. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by doukhobar on 09/13/16 at 23:21:43 That wood base is gorgeous! I want one now for my SE84CKC! |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Archie on 09/14/16 at 00:58:16 Quote:
This caught my eye. I'm not familiar with sepia wood. All of my bases (3) are "walnut" and you have me curious. Is this some sort of Walnut-gate? :o What exactly is Sepia wood? |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/14/16 at 02:34:52 Archie, I'm not a wood expert but I was told by Steve that they use that wood because it's more consistent in the color tone when finished with the walnut stain. With Walnut, the outer part of the tree is very light in color whereas the center of the tree is dark. So to keep consistent tones from one piece to the next, there's a lot of waste when picking through and cutting off each board which increase the overall costs. Hope this helps and I hope I'm not opening a can of worms here...😁 Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Archie on 09/14/16 at 17:39:03 Rick, I tried looking up "sepia" wood and I couldn't find anything other than referring to finish. Is Sepia some kind of rainforest hardwood? I'm in the carpentry line and I've never come across it before. The bases on my ZP3 and CSP3 look different than that on my ZMA. The ZMA base looks more like true walnut grain but the others are a pretty good copy other than their more open grain. I do feel a bit cheated since when walnut is specified I don't expect to get a substitute -- whatever the reason. Thanks for pointing this out. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/14/16 at 17:47:49 Archie, I sure hope I'm correct on the spelling of Sepia wood. It's not a secret as Steve did mention to me that they use that wood for consistency reasons and I'm sure it's another great hardwood that is available out there. You may want to check with the master woodworker Zyggi on it. I do know that when I was Looking at having some molding made for around my custom garage door I wanted mahogany and the door guy suggested Sepia as an alternative. He said once it's stained you really wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It sounded to me like it was just as good as mahogany just a bit more plentiful currently. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by doukhobar on 09/14/16 at 17:53:34 Rraymond - your wood case is gorgeous. Definitely worth the upgrade, now that I see it! Is it a solid walnut case, or a walnut veneer? Probably a veneer, right, like in furniture? But because the case is so small, compared to like, a table, or nightstands, those might be solid pieces of walnut. Solid walnut ain't cheap. I'm sure it's alot easier to get consistent sepia boards and cut and sand them to size, and stain them in walnut or cherry, whatever finish you like. Working with walnut veneer, or solid walnut, is just very expensive. Most high end vintage mid century furniture has a real walnut veneer, which is about 2-5 mm. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by doukhobar on 09/14/16 at 17:55:20 Archie - when you specify walnut or cherry, you are not stating you are buying a true solid wood walnut or cherry hard case. That would be very, very expensive - and not necessary. The website does not specify anywhere that the case is made of these solid rare woods. You are merely specifying a stain. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Archie on 09/14/16 at 18:16:41 Quote:
Walnut and Cherry are far from being "rare" woods. Although they have been going up in price -- say from $4/bf 15 yrs ago to $8/bf today (just an example and not exact pricing) they are easy to get and relatively plentiful. The cost of the wood in these bases is negligible compared to the labor to make them. I also disagree that we are specifying stain color and not wood in the Cart. Otherwise, why the upchage for going to other than "walnut" or the standard base? From the Torii Jr page: Quote:
It's not hard to say exactly what is offered and when it's not done, this kind of misunderstanding/issue results. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Lon on 09/14/16 at 18:18:13 It is a bit confusing though because on the product pages I looked at it says "choice of different woods" when "stains" would be more accurate. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/14/16 at 19:27:06 Oh boy, looks like I did open a can of worms here....lol. Anyway, Doukhobar, mine is a solid walnut not a veneer. My speakers on the other hand are walnut veneers over MDF for the flat panels. To me, it's just about the beauty of the wood. 😉 |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Donnie on 09/15/16 at 00:43:41 Don't forget about thr "machinability" of different woods. The cost of labor trumps the cost of materials a lot of the time. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Archie on 09/15/16 at 01:01:09 Rick, Just to pry a little ... Why the sale? |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/15/16 at 13:45:46 Archie, I am looking for more than what the Torri Jr has brought to my listening room. I really hate to let it go but I found something I like better. I'm finding out that this journey may never end and there's quite a lot of synergy that takes place between every single component in the system and of course the environment that the system is in. So after many trials with different components, cables etc. I am making changes to suit my listening characteristics. Hopefully someday I will be at a point where I can be completely satisfied, kick back and just enjoy the music! |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Archie on 09/15/16 at 17:03:23 Rick, What did you find that you liked better? Was the issue power related or something else? I've been encouraging one of my brothers to get a Torri Jr so any feedback is much appreciated! :) |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/15/16 at 21:30:11 Archie, I did a comparison with a SimAudio 250i and it seemed to fit my listening ear better. It does have more power so that's a plus too. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Archie on 09/15/16 at 23:57:06 That's a great amp! If you get the SimAudio let us know what you think. I wish I could justify a second system, I'm highly tempted by your JR. :) |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 09/29/16 at 19:46:46 Posted on Audiogon. Really wanted to sell it through here but I'm sure there's some Decware fans there. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by reuben.ahmed on 10/30/16 at 13:13:22 I registered (I've perused this forum before but never posted). J'm interested, but still researching. Thanks! Reuben |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 04/20/17 at 21:38:15 This is back up for sale. Price dropped $150 to $2300. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by EVOLVIST on 05/07/17 at 07:50:08 Do you have the original tubes that came with this, as well? |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 05/07/17 at 15:56:47 Yes I do also have the original tubes and they will be included. Thanks for asking. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by doukhobar on 05/08/17 at 00:25:50 Did you ever roll any power tubes in this besides the EL34? Have you ever compared it to a Mini Torii? |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 05/08/17 at 14:52:54 I haven't rolled power tubes in it and have not compared or heard the mini Torii but I did take it over to another members house who has a newer Torii MKIV with NOS RCA black plates and he liked my Torii Jr sound better. It's all about personal preference and until you can hear one in person, you won't know whether it's got the sound signature you are looking for or not. What speakers do you have? What's the sensitivity? Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by doukhobar on 05/09/17 at 03:52:49 I have Decware ERR's and need more power than my current amp provides, which maxes out at about 12 Watts. I have a lot of 6L6 tubes, but no EL34 tubes for rolling. |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 05/09/17 at 13:19:25 Well I actually had the Errx speakers as well. The power that the Torii Jr has is plenty to power those speakers. It gives a very 3 dimensional image with plenty of volume at the 12 o'clock position. To make a long story short, the reason I switched speakers was my wife and I were at an audio show in Colorado (RMAF) and my wife came across some beautiful Zu Soul Superflys she fell in love with so she bought them without telling me until we came home. She wanted to surprise me, but then we were faced with the decision to sell one pair. I like the Zu's a bit more because they were more forward. So, unless you are looking to have concert level music, 20 watts should be plenty for your listening pleasure. Right now, I'm running 8 watts with the Zu's and rarely turn it up to 12 o'clock. Hope this helps. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Dave1210 on 05/10/17 at 01:27:25 Hi Rick...maybe I missed it, but what amp did you decide on for your Zu speakers? Also...I'm not sure if other folks noticed, but Zu had a pretty substantial increase in pricing on their speakers recently (20-30%). I hope all is well! |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 05/10/17 at 13:35:46 Dave, I ended up with an Audion Silver Night Special Edition 300b amp. It's a very good match for the Zu Soul Superfly speakers. 8 watts of pure SET. Now just tweeking power and cables to fine tune things. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by will on 05/11/17 at 00:55:21 Hey Rick, At the beginning of the thread you mentioned you had sent it back to Steve. Can you tell us, does this put the amp into the warranty transfer category without further costs? |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by Rraymond on 05/11/17 at 04:27:58 Yeah I would have to check with Steve on that. I would think he should honor that but we can check when the sale is going to occur. As we all know, Decware amps are built like tanks so I'm not concerned about him keeping the warranty transferred. Rick |
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Title: Re: TorII Jr. for sale Post by will on 05/11/17 at 04:59:58 Hey Rick, I am not concerned about the possibility of transfer either, but about the potential cost of it...I think I recalled they were asking a notable amount for it these days, but don't know....why I am asking... |
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