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Title: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Summer! Post by Steve Deckert on 04/18/15 at 00:54:39 I have been working on new Decware Amplifier... and am sending this note out to everyone on the Customer Appreciation List as the earliest possible notice. The new amp is scheduled to debut in July and you might find it to be an interesting possibility. Presently you can buy our 2 watt amp for around $900 bucks, our 6 watt for around $1300 and then it jumps to 25 watts for around $3500 which is our Torii MKIV. As you can see pictured above I am just finishing the chassis design for a TORII JUNIOR that will be priced to fit nicely in that $1300 to $3500 gap. At 16 inches wide by 12 inches deep it will be the same size as our SE34I.4 amp and use the same wooden bases.   I will be using the original TORII circuit in this design, hence the name TORII JR.  To get a TORII to fit into a smaller chassis like this, I will be building a single huge power supply instead of 2 smaller ones, and making the output stage ultra linear. This will eliminate one of the Voltage Regular Tubes that is used to regulate the screen on the output tube, since ultra linear uses part of the output transformer to accomplish this. Also, it's important to note that this amp will be built with new DECWARE UFO transformers featuring a bandwidth of +/- 1.5dB between 10Hz and 100kHz. To achieve this bandwidth requires ultra precision winding with high interleaving and 3 times as many core laminations. This kind of precision is what gives the transformers such a stunning transparency, and that's the goal. The ultra wide bandwidth is simply a side effect of achieving that goal. Power wise this zero-feedback amplifier should come in at a healthy 20 watts . So if you've wanted a bit more power than 6 watts but couldn't quite swing the price of a TORII, this could be a very good summer! Stay tuned to the web site and the forums for details as they come out.  And thanks for getting on this Customer Appreciation Email List. Anyone interested in this amp can contact me to get on the waiting list. The first 10 amps are going to be sold for 10% off. - Steve Deckert

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Urbs on 04/18/15 at 03:45:31 Interested

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by will on 04/18/15 at 03:46:14 Sounds amazing. Good luck with the process!

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Rivieraranch on 04/18/15 at 04:11:51 I'm struggling to decide which amp to use for home, my TORII MK IV or my ZEN CKC. I've moved and have a completely different listening setup. The MK IV presents more than I need and the ZEN might come up short in certain situations. So this new alternative is most interesting.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by beowulf on 04/18/15 at 10:20:02 Steve, would this still preserve even order harmonics like the Torii does?

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by lLance on 04/18/15 at 13:59:53 I am thinking about updating my Torii MK3 to a MK4 (was really hoping the MK5 would pan out) but this new amp would do the job as an alternative. I have way more power than my ERRx need at the moment. I could sell my Tori MK3. I suppose the price of this new amp would be a factor. Steve?

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by mark58 on 04/18/15 at 15:30:33 Lance,  does your MK III have Bees Wax Caps? When was it made?  Mark.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by lLance on 04/18/15 at 18:29:33 Mark, I bought it used. Has #111 on it, and was sent in to have upgraded caps before I bought it. It has the treble cut adjustment but not the bass.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by mark58 on 04/18/15 at 18:39:56 No bass control?  That's odd.  Were the first versions built without one or was that a custom thing.  So yours does have bees wax caps?  Is there a date on the bottom of the amp? Mark.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by lLance on 04/18/15 at 18:47:26 Has beeswax caps, date made 1 - 2001 on the bottom. My guess is the bass control was added later?

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Lon on 04/18/15 at 19:05:09 It was a few years before bass controls were added. I have one of the first ones built, when I tried to have bass controls added Steve said he can't, that the layout is different when he made that change and he could not fit the bass controls onto the early ones.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Lon on 04/18/15 at 19:10:06 lLance wrote on 04/18/15 at 18:47:26: Has beeswax caps, date made 1 - 2001 on the bottom. My guess is the bass control was added later? Is it possible that the date is 2010? There was no Torii Mk III in 2001.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Rivieraranch on 04/18/15 at 19:29:07 Place my name on the waiting list for the Torii Junior.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by lLance on 04/18/15 at 19:39:37 Yeah, that doesn't sound right to me either. I bought it 2 years ago and the guy I bought it from said he had it a couple of years.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by 4krow on 04/18/15 at 19:58:49 Still, a price may influence me otherwise. No doubt, this is more than enough power. Also, I must consider that there will be a transformer upgrade to the SE34i.4 Oh boy so much to consider. But really, I should buy ALL the Decware equipment and be done with it.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by will on 04/19/15 at 06:09:01 I agree 4K, one of each of the Decware pieces would be very contentment-making....ummm, until the next year! But I bet this one is going to be sweeeeet.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Lord Soth on 05/04/15 at 17:24:02 I won't be surprised if the Junior amp with UFO mod manages to have better sonics than the old geezer with standard transformers. If that happens, I'll be in line for the new amp! Cheers ! Reminds me of a proverb " the day a son stands taller than his dad is the day a father feels both proud and sad."

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Fireblade on 05/04/15 at 19:10:51 I wonder why is the UFO Mod not offered in the Torii Model (yet?). Also, I'm under the impression the Ultralinear design may be slightly less transparent than the original Torii Model, as there must be a tradeoff between PP and Ultralinear (or not?).

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Lonely Raven on 05/04/15 at 22:39:23 Steve told me he was starting out with the smaller amps and working his way up. Said the ZMA will be last...I think he may have added  "if ever", or maybe that was just the impression I was getting.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Core32 on 05/13/15 at 14:23:34 I think Spring is rapidly coming to a close.  :D Are we still expecting Jr. before summer? Hmmm?

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Lin on 05/13/15 at 23:32:41 In the first post Steve says July.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Core32 on 05/14/15 at 14:15:40 Guess I should ignore thread titles from now on then.  ;)

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Core32 on 05/14/15 at 23:39:57 I did both of course...when the posts were new.  ;) But when I went back through the thread listing after a few weeks I noticed it said Spring...in the title. I don't re-read every thread end-to-end every time on the site. And my memory is not what it once was.  :) But thanks anyway.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by 4krow on 06/10/15 at 21:25:27 I believe that this is a good choice for my limited power problem, BUT for me, price is always a factor. Since I own one Rachel, it has crossed my mind to find another one used, and use them each in mono. Of course, this only gets me to 12 watts from 6, but that may still be a reasonable choice. I could only really tell by trying it.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Spring! Post by Fireblade on 06/11/15 at 20:05:37 4krow, Although theoretically the bridged version should sound the same, there have been some comments in this forum (can't recall who/when), implying that the bridged versions do not sound as good (in general, not the Rachael in particular, mind you). I may be wrong, but it would be worth checking this out before deciding.

Title: Re: New TORII JUNIOR amplifier for Summer! Post by Steve Deckert on 11/11/15 at 00:18:11 Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.

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