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Title: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by 2Sounz on 11/03/05 at 00:23:53 I am currently building a set of HDTs. Should be done soon, can't wait !!! :D Since many people have been so helpful to me on these forums (thanks very much !) I thought I would add a little bit and contribute something. For anyone building the HDTs, one task you have to deal with is drilling the oval openings between chambers. These are well detailed on the instructions from Decware. However you have to work out how to drill all the 1/2" holes around the oval, I mean how many and where. To do this task I used my PC to make a drilling template. For those of you who would like a copy, I am making it available at the following location: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rsolda/Audio/HDT/Templates/HDT_Oval_Template_2.pdf You can print this pdf file out (be sure to print it out at 100% scale) and cut out the template rectangle (dotted lines) then simply draw horizontal and vertical lines through the center location of your oval on your work piece and tape the template using the cross hairs to center the position of the template. I then used a punch to mark the centers of each of the small drill circles on the MDF, removed the template and used the 1/2" spade bit to drill them out. To ensure that your oval is the right size when it prints, you can measure the rectangle. It should be exactly 8"x6" to be the right dimensions. Hope it helps you DIY'ers out. It is a great project to build but sure takes time to do it all. Wonder what they will sound like? I hope to post pictures when I am done. Rick |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by brad on 11/03/05 at 00:39:28 Hey, that's great! thanks. But if it were me, I'd just use the template to draw the oval and then cut it out with a jig saw. I seriously doubt it will make any difference and it'll be much faster. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Chris K on 11/03/05 at 01:48:56 Actually Brad the hole drilling and then "breaking" out the waste part leaving a jagged edge is an "on purpose" design aspect of the HDT. Steve claims it helps diffract waves and create beneficial "turbulances" as the rear wave enters the side chambers. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Corey on 11/03/05 at 03:30:41 2S, I would check with Zygi to confirm the size of the ovals. It has come up on this forum that the size for the ovals on the plans are bigger than the factory built models. My speakers were built the summer of 2004 by Zygi and the oval cut outs are 5 7/8 inches long at the very extreme. Perhaps the factory built units are different now but mine are smaller than the plans. Take care, Corey |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by brad on 11/03/05 at 05:50:59 Chris K wrote on 11/03/05 at 01:48:56:
I have a hard time believing this given the lack of driver excursion with the FE206. There isn't much air moving here to create "turbulances", at least ones significant enough to create an audible difference. It's possible, but I just have a hard time believing ??? Now with a driver like the MKII it's a (little) easier to swallow. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by 2Sounz on 11/03/05 at 12:26:29 Corey, I will definitely check on the size of the oval with Ziggy. I will send him an email with the diagram for him to check. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Zygi on 11/03/05 at 20:40:10 2sounz I printed @100% on two computers and 2 printers and the ovel comes out to be....3 3/4" X 5 5/8" on both. the linews you have drawen need to be close enough together to be able to break the center out after drilling with a good blow from a hammer. What you've show would be a little two far apart to work. The line that marks the centers should be 4" X 6" Thanks for your help with this, it'll make the build easier for all if we can get it right. I know when I print from my cad program to Adobe writer and then print on both computers its exactly 4" X 6" but it doesn't even work when I e-mail it to myself. I guess with your pattern, if someone was to just take and mark new lines to get the 4" X 6" size they needed, then make the same witness marks all the way around they could make it work just fine. The division of the oval just needs to be divided in to smaller increments. Very good idea, BobZ. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Zygi on 11/03/05 at 20:48:57 Brad, Not turbulance that you would think of as a noisey port on a sub, maybe a better term would be eddys. Instead of putting hair around it, it's more like hair in it, so both sides of the wave see the hairs. If that makes sense, let me know. BobZ. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by DirtDawg on 11/03/05 at 21:18:16 Zygi wrote on 11/03/05 at 20:40:10:
Just for grins guys, have you tried to email a TIFF instead of a .jpg or .pdf. As we all know compression does terrible things to a signal, and images as well. Brad, There are 2 types of "turbulence" to consider in a speaker box: the airfoille type when you are dealing with large amounts of air, like at low frequencies and also the "sonic" type like you have to account for at mid frequencies which are complicated by reflections inside the cab. I think the idea is to break up the mids by causing a sonic turbulence. I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm FOS, but at the level of spl in most pro cabs I have experience with, breaking up mid freqs with turbulence is very important. ;D |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Chris K on 11/03/05 at 23:15:20 Actually as a raster (pixel) based image a tiff file would be prone to sizing "anomalies" much more than a PDF file. A PDF file is in Adobe "PostScript™" format and is mathmatically correct and is device independent even pertaining to "resolution". It is like (IS) a "vector" graphic and is universal to any platform it is opened on. In other words PDF's should ALWAYS work. IF they don't then the proper version of the Adobe "read" engine is not installed on your PC. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by DirtDawg on 11/03/05 at 23:43:21 Chris, Of course, you are absolutely correct. My thinking, like yours, is that it should be better to use a vector based format, especially a PDF, for any transfer of graphics. What's going on? I've transfered billboard graphics to printers, 3 or 4 on a floppy before, in Adobe and Corel with no losses or color shifts. I know it should work. ;D BTW, that's across different versions of each with no anomalies. MOD: After re-reading the thread, I removed my silly questions, since I misunderstood the problem to be email related, anyway. Nice try 2Sounz, just ..... uhh ..... fix it and it will be helpful. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Jason_S on 11/03/05 at 23:46:41 Doesn't anyone remember the grade school geometry method of drawing an ellipse with two pins and length of string? The pins should be 4.472" apart and the circle of string should be 10.472" to get a 4 x 6 oval. I'd probably round to 4 1/2 and 10 1/2 just for ease. I'm with Brad: draw the line and use the jigsaw. :) |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by DirtDawg on 11/03/05 at 23:48:46 Maybe you have a better jigsaw, than I do. I have an effortless drill. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Hrappur on 11/04/05 at 00:16:43 It´s always good to take advice a)from people who havn´t built the damn thing and b)not listen to some one that has. (how many is it zygi, over a 100?)Of course you could cut lots of corners building like not bothering with the pesky routing of the panel connections and using an old carpet for liner, you can also leave the bafle corners and maybe the ultimate just get a cheaper driver than the Fostex, wether you then call it a HDT or a SLO will be a matter of conscience. But if you were restoring a Mercedes 1957 you wouldn´t put an engine from a 1987 Volkswagon inside and call it close enough. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by DirtDawg on 11/04/05 at 00:23:14 Is there a "Touche" smiley? :P So true, but what's a/an SLO? I don't think I want one. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by 2Sounz on 11/04/05 at 02:32:26 OK... I think PDF is still probably the most accurate way of printing this file with a chance of maintaining scale. If you cannot get the dimensions right when printing then I suggest perhaps taking it to a photocopier and use the zoom +/- until you get the right size. In any case, I have redone the template with the following changes: 1. Added more "holes" so the spacing would be closer and thus easier to knock out with a hammer (as per Ziggy's suggestion, although I was able to knock them out ok as per my original template with a couple of extra good hits). 2. Added some better instructions on the page and shortened the lengths of the radial lines in case the ones off the page might have been interfering with print scales. 3. Created a .PNG graphic file which you can use to import the graphic and manually rescale it's size until it prints out correctly on your system. You will find the new docs here: http://home.cogeco.ca/~rsolda/Audio/HDT/Templates/HDT_Oval_Template_4.pdf http://home.cogeco.ca/~rsolda/Audio/HDT/Templates/HDT_Oval_Template_4.png Hope this works out better. (Ziggy, if you wouldn't mind checking these out too !) Rick :-* PS As for the idea of just cutting out the oval smooth with a jigsaw... well, IMHO, so much time and care has been spent in designing this amazing cabinet, that I think it is worth the little extra time and effort necessary to build it accordingly. In the end if the product delivers what it promises, it was worth it. ! ;D |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Jason_S on 11/04/05 at 06:39:06 When you're set up for production and doing dozens of them, drilling and smashing is undoutably faster. A lot of DIY types tend to favor the 'slower' hand tools more. My point wasn't to justify using a jigsaw, it was to help draw the flippin line... The means to the end is here is to get a oval shaped hole through the partition. I don't think smooth vs rough edges make a significant difference, but of course it always nice to have a justifiable reason for the way something is done. ??? |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Hrappur on 11/04/05 at 12:33:40 You are right of course Jason, not to take any thing for granted :) But drilling the holes is a slower labor than just drilling one hole and then cutting out with the jigsaw, so its not about being quick and dirty. I´m sure that the difference is not massive in sound but a good enclosure is made up of lots of little tweaks that put together make for the overall sound. You can eat an elephant by nibbling away one peace at a time and ruin a good enclosure by cutting corners ;) |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by gexter on 11/04/05 at 14:49:21 MMMMMMMmmm roasted elephant. I like my table saw for the big stuff but I feel that the more I can do by hand is (soothing, relaxing,) I know it sounds weird but I feel connected to the work. I still use a handsaw over my 12" chopsaw when I have the time. I love to sand and shape by hand. I like speakers and all that but making them does far more for me. |
Title: Re: Template for drilling HDT ovals Post by Hrappur on 11/04/05 at 17:56:47 DirtDawg wrote on 11/04/05 at 00:23:14:
Sorry SLO=speaker like object |
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