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Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/06/25 at 21:12:11 I'm both intrigued and confused. Intrigued for all the obvious reasons but confused because I don't understand what you do with it. Just plug it into an unused input in the DAC? The website seems to be short on operational details. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by GroovySauce on 04/06/25 at 22:20:13 James, I get it, It didn't even come with any paper work just the two boxes. Yes, plug it into an unused input or possibly output depending on the component. I would say it's in the grounding device "ground box" realm of things. Similar to CAD and Entreq grounding products. It's odd because they don't really ground anything. They do work. I've tried ones by Afterdark too. The Gcude is the first one that I really noticed a wow with. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/06/25 at 22:41:38 OK, thanks. I don't have any experience with "ground boxes" but you were oh so right about the STR so I just ordered one. Will report back. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Tony on 04/06/25 at 23:50:22 Over the past hour, I have read whatever I could find about "What is a Signal Ground Box?" From what I could find, it looks good. In the end, however, I thought I need a "Micky." Remember that Life cereal commercial from many years ago with three brothers? Two of them were hesitant to try the "healthy" cereal. They decided to give it to their younger brother, "Mikey," who was known for disliking everything. To their surprise, Mikey loved it, and the famous line "He likes it! Hey Mikey!" was born. I was thinking what I need is a "Mikey" to step in and give this cereal, or Signal Ground Box, another review! Then, who pops up precisely at that moment? CA "Mikey" James. :) I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts! |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Kamran on 04/07/25 at 02:01:07 I ordered one RCA unit for my DAC last week. The charged $38 for FedEx shipping. However, I am still waiting for the shipping notification (hopefully by tomorrow). This reminds me of when James and I were on a race to get our respective Decware amps two years ago. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/07/25 at 02:05:59 Quote:
Ah, the good old days. And, BTW, you're lagging in the race to get a STR. Just sayin. ![]() |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Kamran on 04/07/25 at 03:43:41 Yep, definitely lagging on that front. Whenever I upgrade to a tube DAC, that will probably be my trigger point for an STR. Looking forward to reviewing the Gcube soon! |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by HockessinKid on 04/07/25 at 14:14:58 Very interesting new equipment review, thanks GS. In checking out the rear panel of my Modwright modified CXN 2, I only have an unused coaxial output and XLR outputs. Does anyone know which might prove best for use with the gcude? I'm trying to figure out whether to get a cable terminated by an XLR or RCA plug (which should work with the coaxial output). Any insights would be appreciated. Oh, and how long is the cable? HK |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by JBzen on 04/07/25 at 14:36:11 Me too HK. There is not much info on this device. Intriguing anyways! Maybe Groovy can open it up and give us a shot. I'm thinking a tuned high impedance RC circuit amplified and fed back. The box looks to be the most cost wise for production. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Dominick on 04/07/25 at 14:46:03 I have to say that this wooden mystery box is quite intriguing. If my wife didn’t put a hault on my audio spending right now, I would have seriously considered making a purchase. Quote:
Roger….I was thinking the same thing. I guess in theory the XLR input would be the quietest connection by design. If I had to pick one of the two, I would say the RCA terminal would be my 1st choice. But without knowing the technology behind what it accomplishes…. My choice would be educated guess at this point. Dom |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/07/25 at 14:52:17 Quote:
I feel like you'd want to connect it to a digital input on the CXN if that is your DAC, but JMO. Also just guessing but I don't think RCA vs XLR matters very much in this context. I don't see how there is anything differential/balanced in the box so it is literally just about the connector. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by HockessinKid on 04/07/25 at 15:44:18 CA James, I'm using the CXN V2 as my streamer and DAC. I currently have my CD transport plugged into my CXN V2 coax input, but rarely listen to CD's these days given my Qobuz/ROON steaming sound quality. That said, I could always try out the coax input and output Jack to see if there's any difference. Hopefully GS will chime on since he seems to be the only one with direct listening experience at this point. HK |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by GroovySauce on 04/07/25 at 16:53:03 James, I’m looking forward to your report. Heads up, it took 12 days before it shipped. Once shipped, it arrived quickly. I’m concerned as the CAD GC1 that I sold people ranted and raved about how much of a difference it made and I got nothing as significant as others reported. The cable is about 18 inches. If there is a difference between the XLR and RCA It might be component specific. If they share the same ground I cannot imagine it being much if any difference. I’m still surprised at all the things that make a difference so who knows! :D I agree with James, digital input is my gut reaction. For me and my system, I chose the RCA because I can also use it on my preamp too. ZBzen, There is ZERO info about these out there! We are blazing the way! All the circuity is in a sealed 3D printed box inside the wooden box, I' don’t want to pry into it. I’m waiting for the ethernet cable which should be sometime next week, then I’m going to order that. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by JBzen on 04/07/25 at 17:22:57 Shucks Groovy. I was thinking of using this device in the ZDAK usb input. I get the feeling it will not work with it. ZDAC uses physical switches to switch between digital inputs. Blaze the way! Hopefully more info will surface down the beaten path. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/07/25 at 18:36:16 Thanks Groovy, I'm under no illusions about how long stuff is going to take to ship. FWIW I have an "interesting" digital situation. I play files (but don't stream) from a laptop via USB and spin CDs on a transport via AES/EBU. Both those sources go into a Digital to Digital Converter (DDC) where they are regenerated and reclocked then output on I2S to my DAC. So the question is where to apply the Gcude? Obviously I'll try both, in the RCA S/PDIF connection, and I'm hopeful that one is more significant than the other. I was tempted to buy two so I could treat both, but you have to draw the line somewhere. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by GroovySauce on 04/08/25 at 19:25:39 JBzen, Does it lift the ground when switching? Most components have all the grounds tied together. Where to place it is a tough one, especially if different connections are needed. I really don't know what will make the biggest difference. Matthew from Zayin Audio got back to me and said that it will be the end of April when the ethernet cables will be ready. I made 2 cables that I can use to try hooking up to the ground of the speakers. I'm also going to try on the the phono stage. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by JBzen on 04/09/25 at 01:34:35 What is the point? It probably does not break ground. Steve would know for sure if he has time to dig into his records. I personally do not remember all my endeavors without digging. I am at camp now babysitting the trailer so can not open up the ZDAK to answer your question. Why would we even get into a discussion about that anyhow? How it relates to a device that seems to have well hidden secrets? My thoughts come from the fact that the mysterious device needs power that may??? generate some sort of feedback eliminating hash. If so, that would require an intact circuit. Further, 3d printing a box around the circuitry brings up a few thoughts that won't be shared here. I hoped it would work for me but need more info before throwing money at it and wasting time. It sounds like it is doing a great job in your system and I was eager to give it a shot placing the device where I think it would do the best job in mine. My backlog of projects has grown to a level of peaceful comfort that will not be undone. Thanks for sharing this and your past contributions to this forum. Blaze on! |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/10/25 at 19:40:29 FWIW/FYI I just received an email from Zayin saying due to moving the workshop my order should ship April 24th. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Kamran on 04/11/25 at 02:02:44 I got the same e-mail. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by kulafu on 04/11/25 at 14:04:56 Same same. Estimated shipping date 4/24/2025 Bob |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by JBzen on 04/12/25 at 07:24:50 Hey Groovy, I did look inside the ZDAK. The grounds are all interconnected. The switches are connected to the main/only board. I think the Gcude, no matter how it does its thing, will work with the ZDAK being swithes are attached directly with the circuit board instead of breaking circuit before it. My old school ways [smiley=peanuts05.gif] Thanks for the picture. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Tony Adams on 04/16/25 at 05:15:44 Do you think the Gcude BG/01's powerful performance comes partly from its special compatibility with your system (DAC TRP, ZENith MK3), or can it deliver similar performance on more mainstream systems? I'm curious if this is a "worthwhile upgrade for any system" or a "catalyst" for already high-end configurations. Incredibox |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by GroovySauce on 04/16/25 at 14:41:43 Bob, you jumped in too, nice! Quote:
I don't know. I'm guessing it will have a positive impact on most systems. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/21/25 at 15:41:21 Received FedEx tracking for my Gcube last night. So hopefully I'll have a review soon(ish). |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Kamran on 04/21/25 at 15:58:52 Ditto |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Hearafter on 04/21/25 at 21:24:03 Interesting ground device that uses battery power. 🤔 I have had success using DIY passive ground boxes on my main system (made using copper plates and tape, solid copper ground wire, several earth materials) and a Russ Andrews RF Router ground box for my Home Theatre second system. On my main system I have 3 Ground boxes. A larger box connected to all my components which is plugged into a duplex outlet using the ground only plug. Each speaker has it’s own smaller ground box connected to the ”-“ binding post and not connected to a duplex. The RF Router is an electronic version of my main system DIY ground box plugged into a duplex outlet. I have definitely found that these ground boxes improve the SQ similar to power conditioner/snubway/mainstream…All adding more clarity, darker background and improved instrument separation. Fun to hear how everyone likes this device. Keep us updated. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Kamran on 04/22/25 at 14:18:14 This has to be the slowest FedEx in the history of mankind. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/22/25 at 16:26:25 Yeah, mine may have moved down the street in the last day, LoL. But I fear the real holdup will be when it hits US Customs. The last thing I bought took almost a week to get cleared. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/23/25 at 23:34:33 It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black. -Nigel Tufnel, This is Spinal Tap TL;DR: My Gcube landed a few hours ago and I'm very happy. My digital story is much too long for this post, but the bottom line is while I'll never say never, I'm pretty sure I've got my endgame digital, as shown in my sig. Every time I have improved the quality in front of it, is has responded with better and better sound. So if anyone else besides GroovySauce had said plugging a $300 mystery box into your DAC will make it sound better I would have (quickly) moved on to the next thread. Instead, I spent the $300, got the box and I'm glad I did. "Blacker backgrounds" has always seemed like a throwaway line but as soon as I plugged in the Gcube that is exactly what I got. The background screamed MORE BLACK. And to be clear, what "blacker background" really means is bigger dynamics and more detail, both spatially and musically. So there it is. If you want to know if this is worth 300 bucks I'll put it this way: for me it isn't WOW! like the STR, the improvement is small but important. I would call it a "cable level" upgrade, a really good cable. And $300 is cheap for a really good cable in my book. A brief technical aside, I have the Gcube plugged into the COAX input of my DAC. I tried it in the DDC feeding the DAC and the CD transport feeding the DDC and the effect was almost imperceptible. So my advice is use it in your DAC. One question I can't speak to is this: will the Gcube make as big a difference on a more modest system as it does on a higher-end DAC like mine or Groovy's? I don't know the answer but based on my experience I wouldn't hesitate to try. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Kamran on 04/24/25 at 01:29:59 Loved reading your review James! I look forward to evaluating the gcube soon. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by GroovySauce on 04/24/25 at 13:47:36 Hearafter, I've used some of those boxes too. I still have 3 of the Afterdark Ground Boxes which I will be putting up for sale. I still don't really get what either the passive or active ones are doing. I know both are effective. I did try hooking up the Gcude to the negative speaker posts on the amp and had an improvement there too. James, Glad you're also having positive results. Seems you also had the "subtle yet significant" observation. If you have an open RCA on your preamp might want to try it there too. I'm guessing based on my experiments that the DAC will be the biggest improvement. Adding the Gcude to the TV setup, Schiit Syn ($300) and a borrowed Douk amp($100). Yes, it does offer the same flavor of improvement. Much more apparent in the main system however, every change is clearly heard in the main system. TV system yes, it's better and I don't feel compelled to spend $300 on it. I also don't really care much about the TV setup. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by CAJames on 04/24/25 at 15:29:40 Thanks guys. Yes, the improvement is "subtle but significant" or "small but important." And after thinking about it for a while, I'd like to change my answer on the Gcube in a range of more modest systems. Similar to Groovy's experience, I would say this: If your system benefits from e.g. high end cables or fancy fuses then you are likely to appreciate the Gcube. If not then it might not be the best use of your money. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Lon on 04/24/25 at 17:43:21 Interesting impressions. Some of the benefits that are described I have encountered using my power regenerators. If I had extra audio dollars to spend I might try one of these. . . but that's a sum I don't have right now. I'm practicing "attrition" in my audio world right now: if I sell something I can use those funds to buy something else. And by the time I sell enough things to make a purchase I've developed quite a wish list! |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by GroovySauce on 04/24/25 at 19:04:36 I agree with James's assessment in a modest system. I hear you Lon! I'm working on steering my ways to get rid of the excess. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by Tony on 04/24/25 at 20:57:25 If your system benefits from e.g. high end cables or fancy fuses then you are likely to appreciate the Gcube. If not then it might not be the best use of your money. Thanks, CA, for that reference; it gives me something to hang my hat on. |
Title: Re: Oh boy, I Found Another One! Bye Bye Noise Post by HockessinKid on 04/25/25 at 11:07:16 Put my order in for a Zayin Audio Gccube BG/01 w/ an RCA cable. I plan to use it in my MWI modified Cambridge Audio CXN V2 coax input. Thanks for all the information. Cheers and have a good weekend folks. HK |
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