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Title: Holostages- Post by PDXDrew on 03/05/25 at 05:40:32 I hope everyone is having a great evening. A couple of months ago, I came across an audio thread about a product called Holostages, which is a passive room correction device. At the time, there was one user whom touted the devices as revolutionary. This user stated that he has products from LessLoss, SR among other and the Holstages easily outperformed them all at a fraction of the price. The initial response fell well short of acceptance. Honestly- I felt the same way. Seemed to good to be true. How could four little plastic boxes parked around your room with no wires to connect anything to be so effective? As time went on, more users started to respond, all with the same results. OK- my curiosity is now sparked. I am a user of the some of the products the OP mentioned, and found them to have merit. Heart Sound is the company that makes these devises and according to their website the company offers a pretty generous 60 day money back guarantee- so I thought what the heck. I placed an order last week, got a package a few days later with four little black plastic boxes. I followed what others have reported for placement. I put two in the corners of the front wall about 5' high and two on the side walls half way between my seat and the speakers, same height. After about 4 hours, the sound stage expanded in size, but became less defined, kinda muffled with a loss in detailed. I then moved the two on the side walls to slightly behind my seat, still on the side walls. This really didn't improve much, if anything, things sounded a little bright. My amp has external output transformers. So I moved them there, on top of each. OK- this is working. The soundstage grew yet again, and everything became more defined. More density, dynamics, space, realism and oh so smooth. I left them there for a day. Liking what I was hearing, but I figured I would play around with them some more and earlier today, I moved them on top of my speakers. This is truly the sweet spot. It only took about 2 hours for the room to adjust and the sound is far better than anything I've heard in this seat. I have put a lot into my system over the last couple of years. I've run a dedicated power line, which was a huge improvement. I've added a grounding device, room treatments along with upgraded power and IC's. Installed Baach4Mac (intro), Lessloss and SR products. I would agree with the OP of the thread I was reading, these things work as advertised. They are staying put and I'm glad I stumbled onto that thread. Best bang for the buck I have spent on my system. Krissy is the proprietor and has been great to work with.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Geno on 03/05/25 at 17:07:29 Interesting! Can you please post a few pics of cubes and placement?

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Donnie on 03/05/25 at 18:16:39 So what are they? I went to their website and looked at them and they don't even give a description of what it is or how it works.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Geno on 03/05/25 at 19:59:07 Donnie, I read up on these. From the information I could find, it looks like there are magic crystals inside. And a sprinkle of pixie dust.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Donnie on 03/05/25 at 20:23:39 For a grand I would at least expect a good story using words like "Quantum" or "Nanoparticles" or even "AI" ! All I'm seeing that a great review by "Mikey the Cop NYC" At least tell me what it is!

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Lon on 03/05/25 at 20:32:03 I don't know if this helps or not. . . but some gobbledeegook here: https://nirvanasound.com/product/heartsound-holostage/

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Kahuna Jack on 03/05/25 at 20:42:43 I see 4 screws on top. Couldnt find any cracked open views on the internet for whatever reason. If I didn't have more urgent plans for a thousand bucks I'd get them and send them to Danny at GR and see if he could upgrade them for me.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Donnie on 03/05/25 at 20:58:50 I've been digging a little on Google. Seems like it has "Nanotubes" and "Graphene" in some of the descriptions. I also see that the more that you buy the better it sounds. Sounds legit to me. Plus any recommendation from Mikey the cop NYC pushes it over the top with me.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Kamran on 03/06/25 at 02:10:58 PDXDrew:Not discounting your experience but as other members rightly pointed out, the outfit isn’t doing themselves any favors with their website shopfront.  It’s almost if they went out of their way to be cryptic and that solo review by Mikey the Cop NYC—-well, I can’t top what other members have already commented on that front. That said—while I’m not curious enough to take advantage of the 60 day money back guarantee, I’ll keep an eye out for more info.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by PDXDrew on 03/06/25 at 02:12:13 The original post I was following is on WBF. It does appear to be minerals and the like. Yes- woo woo I know, but very affective woo woo for sure. Attached are a couple of pics. One of my system and the other a closeup of the Holostage that's mounted in the right, front corner of the room. After getting the first 4 units and listening with them I place and order for a grounding box Krissy makes and a couple more H/S. They arrived today. A few of the posters on WBF said that these devices transform your system to where it's like your swimming through the music. Even though the first 4 units had a very positive affect on my system I didn't get the swimming on the music sensation. After getting the new devices installed today, I can say I feel submerged in a sublime pool of sound. I am very impressed. big letters copy and paste

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by kulafu on 03/06/25 at 13:45:10 I ordered one set.  60 day money back guarantee is always a fall back if these do not work as discussed in WBF. Bob

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by PDXDrew on 03/06/25 at 18:18:38 Hey Bob, Please keep us updated. I'm amazed with what these have done. Compared to what I've spent on other similar devices that have helped, these are another level considering price to perform. As I'm writing this, I'm listening to Cello Concert in F Major and I can honestly say I have not heard a cello sound so sweet with my gear. It has made a positive impact with all genres of music. I can describe more later when I have more time. Best, Drew

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by kulafu on 03/06/25 at 18:46:58 Drew, will do. I have DIY QRD-7s on the front wall to see if there is an improvement with the use of these.  I have the WBF in placement both on the front and side walls as well as equipment so I do have some experimentation to do. Bob

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by 4krow on 03/06/25 at 20:09:51 I go to their website to see the product. I do not see anywhere on the website the price of anything. So, what is the actual price for say 1 box? Quantity discount?

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by highstream on 03/22/25 at 21:37:51 Price is at the top. Quantity discounts in audio are usually discussed privately. The developer’s email is under the Contact tab.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by 1stwattlife on 03/27/25 at 14:50:06 I love tweak tryouts! Hold on, I will get my popcorn!!

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Steve Deckert on 04/15/25 at 23:45:40 ✅ What Is Scientifically Accurate in the Claim: Ions in Solution Do Affect Sound Speed (In Liquids): In aqueous solutions, the speed of sound does vary slightly with salt concentration. This is due to changes in density, compressibility, and hydration layers around ions. These effects are measurable and are studied in ultrasound diagnostics and physical chemistry. Example: Adding NaCl to water increases the speed of sound slightly. Different Ions Have Different Effects: Studies have shown that cations and anions contribute differently, and researchers have even introduced concepts like "intrinsic sound speed" of ions. These studies apply mostly to liquid media, not gases. ❌ Where the Claim Falls Apart (and Can Be Disproven): Application to Air (Gas Phase) Is Scientifically Unsound: The experiments described apply to liquids, not air. Air is a gas, and ions in air are extremely sparse in normal conditions—millions of times less concentrated than ions in saltwater. The speed of sound in air is primarily governed by: Temperature Humidity Pressure Molecular weight of the gas The presence of trace ions in air has negligible impact on these properties. Claim About Audio Systems and Listening Rooms Is Pseudoscience: The leap from "ions affect sound speed in water" to "ions in the air affect how you hear your speakers" is unsupported by any peer-reviewed evidence. The concentration of ions in a typical room is so small (10⁵ to 10⁶ ions/cm³) that their effect on the bulk properties of air is immeasurable. Even ion generators (like those in air purifiers) don't significantly alter the acoustics of a room. Misuse of Scientific Findings: The original science is valid in controlled, high-concentration solutions. Using it to explain or promote changes in audio perception in normal air-filled rooms is not supported. This is akin to saying “because salt changes water viscosity, your stereo sounds different if the humidity changes slightly”—it’s a category error. 📌 Conclusion: The claim that “ions in air affect how sound travels in a room and therefore influence audio system performance” is not supported by science and can be disproven on these grounds: The ionic concentrations in air are too low to have any measurable effect. Sound speed in air is governed by macroscopic thermodynamic properties, not ion content. The extrapolation from liquid-phase ion studies to airborne sound perception is scientifically invalid.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Kahuna Jack on 04/16/25 at 07:22:58 So faux fur beanbag chairs in the room for the win then  [smiley=icqlite20.png]

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Steve Deckert on 04/16/25 at 16:29:50 I think the reason that it works -- if it is altering the ions, is because ions affect mood.  Mood is a major player in sound quality.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Kahuna Jack on 04/17/25 at 00:43:57 You do not see many audiophile discussions on choice of room colors/textures , lighting etc. At least I don't . Funny Guttenberg recently bringing up listening while under the spell of gummies.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Dominick on 04/17/25 at 12:09:35 Quote: You do not see many audiophile discussions on choice of room colors/textures , lighting etc. At least I don't . Funny Guttenberg recently bringing up listening while under the spell of gummies. I have read that some of the most popular songs written by mainstream artists we’re done so under the influence of a narcotic drug… Mainly magic mushrooms and marijuana….Lady Gaga being the most recent.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Kahuna Jack on 04/19/25 at 01:16:28 Probably a great majority .  I remember reading that Lawrence Welk himself wasn't concerned about band members recreational use so much as long as they showed up on time and nailed their parts. According to David Crosby's autobiography he learned how to "dose properly" from Jefferson Airplane members before going on stage in order to perform and make it through the entire set. I think later years he forgot that lesson LOL Being straight edge for the most part I guess Im not getting the most from my listening sessions as it's all done raw dog full tension intact. Im relying on music itself to correct or influence my mood.

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by MikeinMontana on 04/22/25 at 18:08:53 Kahuna Jack~ I agree with what you wrote. Music was my 'dope'. Along with fishing, hunting, girls and runnin' around in the woods. This since just a kid. Guess I've been one boring sob most of my life.  :) Did sneek into the liqueur cabinet a few times, but not much at all. Then later in life, of course family/friends and often times work. Retired now and miss it....well some of it. One of the first records I listened to as a kid was Pink Floyd Meddle. No need for anything. Was 'hooked' on Pink Floyd since. So many fantastic bands over the years. We are now over two years with our Zen amp and still it's playing most evenings. Just beautifully. Actually played Meddle a few weeks ago through it. Best purchase in music I have ever had the pleasure to own. All the best!  Mike   Also, I cannot afford to lose a single brain cell, especially these days.   LOL.  Apparently at least my ions are still intact. Music NUT all of my life

Title: Re: Holostages- Post by Kahuna Jack on 04/23/25 at 21:49:30 Many different ways to alter mood when listening I suppose Mike. Even the folks that are lucky enough to have an amazing outdoor view in the listening room are blessed with something that some may take for granted. Velvet blacklight posters and lava lamps , dark colored Victorian drapes, flashing motel lights beaming through the fire escape window, paint peeled jail cell walls etc.... all will set a different listening mood.

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