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https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl AUDIO FORUMS >> General Discussion and Support >> Accelerated Waiting List delays https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1720727295 Message started by MontanaDude on 07/11/24 at 20:48:14 |
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Title: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by MontanaDude on 07/11/24 at 20:48:14 Anyone have any insight on the continued delays with the Accelerated Waiting List? This is for Decware items that aren't amps: https://orders.decware.com/list_view_accelerated.php It hasn't moved an inch in two months, possibly more. Sarah had said they were waiting on chassis, but at a certain point maybe they'll pivot to another supplier? |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Lon on 07/11/24 at 21:09:32 My order for a ZROCK3 did move 3 spaces up in the last months. Not the quickest movement it has made! I have no knowledge about the why or wherefore. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by 1stwattlife on 07/12/24 at 15:23:06 Sarah would be the one to give you the insight on this. If she said there are sourcing issues, there are sourcing issues. Anything beyond that really doesn't matter. No parts, no pieces. When the parts are there to be built the list moves quite quickly, as we have seen. I have personally built the majority of the list since it has been created and have since also trained our newest tech to help me with these builds, rest assured there is no funny business and the list will be attacked with much fervor as soon as it is possible. Making boutique, hand wired, world class audio components is not the easiest thing to accomplish on the daily. Especially when the art has been dying off for decades... see the issue with Miflex capacitors closing there doors in the last few years. All we can do is go with the flow and try to position ourselves to be in the best possible scenario for the future. As far as an update... I have not heard any solid info, but I know that the team is on top of it as it is a main priority. Sorry for the inconveniences... Cheers, P. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by MikeinMontana on 07/12/24 at 18:40:46 An honest, real answer. Comes with the territory here. Stick with it MontanaDude [smiley=icqlite20.png] Take care [smiley=beer.gif] |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by HockessinKid on 07/12/24 at 20:30:02 1stwattlife, Steve has been very forthcoming about parts supply problems in the past, especially given the issues associated with Covid shutdowns. Regarding your comment about Miflex capacitors, I just need some clarification. While it's been a while, my recollection was that Steve was experiencing significant quality issues with Jupiter caps which were widely used throughout Decware amps up until 2021?22?. I believe he looked into options with Mundorf given their high SQ, but did not believe production capacity would be sufficient. Last I recall Steve opted to use the Miflex capacitors. I haven't heard/read anything on this or other forums that Miflex SA (Poland) has closed or gone out of business. Is this something very recent? HK |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Dominick on 07/12/24 at 22:52:05 I had a nice discussion with Steve 3 days ago after he finished evaluating my white top ZP3. The discussion about the MiFlex capacitors came up when I talked about potentially upgrading my unit…which I opted to hold off for now. Almost every piece of Decware gear I own has the MiFlex capacitors with the Anniversay mods. What Steve divulged to me was part of discussion that I’d rather not comment on since it’s not my place. Like HK stated… Steve have always been forthcoming when it comes to parts and supply issues…so I would wait to hear back from the Decware team for solid info. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Lon on 07/12/24 at 23:11:12 Interesting. I could not find any info on line about any Miflex distribution etc. changes. Perhaps it is fortunate I asked Steve for different caps (Cornel Dubilier) for the fully modded ZROCK3 I have on the build list (now #26). |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by 1stwattlife on 07/17/24 at 16:44:16 I may have misspoken, confusing one company for another... there are so many. No need to get hung up on details... one thing we all can notice is that boutique and specialty manufacturing in general has been dwindling for quite a while. However, I have had some really cool conversations lately about new and classic companies making comebacks and taking great strides to avoid being eaten up by the time monster in general, but also specifically in our industry and its related support industries. I am just anxious and waiting for things to come together. When they do, it will be a glorious day. I love building all of our products... but, the accelerated stuff is fun! More complicated units are tedious, and take lots of time, concentration, and mental energy. When you add in the everyday lives we all lead, it can get daunting day in and day out... ( I still don't know how our lead tech does it... this guys schedule is so full I don't know how he has time to sleep). The team I work with marches on everyday, be it on an easy path, or as if marching through mud, same/same. I will swim through boxes of parts for these units like Scrooge McDuck swimming through his vault of gold coins. To be honest, I see snags in the line like this as added value to all of the pieces we build. There are hours and hours and hours of work that back up these speed bumps. from the office to the parts department all the way through Steves office... not a day goes by that these holdups are static situations, just hanging out ...waiting... Every second and minute that someone tracks packages or touches base with distributors, or checks sample parts to confirm larger orders. It all counts toward the eventual nickels and dimes that have to be accounted for. Technically, this makes things more expensive for us to produce while at the same time making added value on the customer side of things, even if some of you just know that there is added attention paid to your units, it makes me happier... (IMO) worth is a monetary measure, value is not. Sorry, I think I am rambling... It thrills me that so many people are directly involved with their order status and general status of the shop/company in general. Being a small business, very small actually, it is easy to get tunnel vision and you guys being here communicating and adding perspective really helps with staying focused on the goals we have. Thanks to all of you. Wish I had a magic wand to make the time pass... I guess we kind of do... has everyone been keeping up on the Decca cartriddge thrad? |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by 1stwattlife on 07/17/24 at 16:52:48 Hey, does anyone know if we have an active thread on capacitors anywhere? An inactive one would be good too, i guess... I think it is one of the most fascinating conversations related to our hobby... break-in lore, tonal differences, preferences, stories, etc... |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by CAJames on 07/17/24 at 16:58:49 Quote:
I nominate you to start one . |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Lon on 07/17/24 at 17:01:32 I haven't. . .I don't worship at the altar of turntables, and have little interest in components that I will never in my lifetime be able to afford. But I keep hoping for good news in THIS thread. The world we have is changing every day and most often in ways we don't want it to (though I am speaking for myself, I know). . .but good things do come to those who wait in the case of Decware products. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Kamran on 07/17/24 at 19:05:53 I’ve been meaning to start or contribute to a thread on capacitors as well. I read a very interesting article a week ago that I wanted to share—hopefully, later today. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Steve Deckert on 07/18/24 at 18:32:09 Quote:
This is in fact exactly what we did. We are waiting for the new chassis from the new manufacturer. We expect to see them soon. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Steve Deckert on 07/18/24 at 19:38:56 Quote:
Yes, when Covid hit, Jupiter had both logistics issues and reliability issues so we pulled them from all our amps that were still here and switched to Mundorf. We purchased all of the Mundorf caps in North America and when we tried to re-order Mundorf said they weren't going to make them anymore. It turns out that Mundorf never made their own caps in the first place. They were contracted out. They left us hanging, just like Jupiter. We then moved to Miflex and purchased the bulk of North Americas inventory and now after 80 years they have closed too. Sadly this is what happened and it left us hanging once again. We purchased everything we could of the values we use and set off on the mission to find another replacement. This is as close as I have come to purchasing the winding machines needed to make our own caps. You can see it now, Decware caps, be all the rage, good for business. However it is not realistic, and with 2500 amps on order it would just slow down production, or raise the prices on everything to cover the building and new employee(s) to make the caps. And it is fantasy to think that someone can go out and buy some winding machines and train a couple people to make caps and expect them to be better than other caps on the market that are made by large companies. We don't need any reliability issues that can come from lack of experience. The truth is, the axial lead cap manufacturing companies, like Miflex, are going out of business because all caps today are radial, and surface mount. Kind of like what happened to CRTs used in old televisions and computer monitors. Those companies are gone. Times change. Needless to say, this also wouldn't have been a problem before Covid because we didn't use enough caps to put much of a dent in things. Now we buy 24 times more caps than before Covid which is way more than distributors of boutique caps can stock. In choosing replacement caps I made the decision to go with three of the largest manufactures around to hopefully be the last time changing caps for awhile and then spent quite a bit of time listening to various options until I found what I like. For film caps we are using both Illinois Capacitor and Vishay depending on the values, and for foil caps we are using Cornell Dubilier. The foil caps are what will be replacing the Miflex, which were also foil. The Cornell are made from aluminum, similar to the original VCAPs that we used to offer. They do not have the stupidly large size or horrific break-in period and the sound is more forgiving and silky like the caps used in the original Zen amps but with far more resolution. Right now the only amplifiers being built with MIFLEX are the SE84UFO25 and the SEWE300B. We had enough of those values in stock to last aprox 2 years. Everything else is being built with the new Cornell Dubilier foil caps and those units will be also once the Miflex are gone. Steve |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by MontanaDude on 07/18/24 at 21:22:14 [smiley=icqlite20.png] Thank you Steve! I was kind of hoping we'd get some clear answer that could live in this thread, and hopefully save you guys some customer inquiry hours... That you've pivoted to a new chassis supplier and are expecting them soon, well that's just icing on cake. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by bloodlemons on 08/02/24 at 19:53:26 I love the info and transparency. I also love the visual of Decware literally making their own capacitors. That would be such a noble, and bad, idea. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Lon on 08/12/24 at 10:54:50 I'm sure they have. (Not sure we need all the spam inserts in your posts). |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by Donnie on 08/12/24 at 12:44:58 Spammers are the scum of society! |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by funch on 08/12/24 at 20:45:08 I've noticed that timothyferriss has a spam ad in all of his posts. Just saying. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by CAJames on 08/12/24 at 20:54:40 Yes, "he" is a bot. |
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Title: Re: Accelerated Waiting List delays Post by MikeinMontana on 08/13/24 at 16:57:43 We know them as pos' |
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