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Title: 4 outlet distributor box Post by Sean on 04/28/24 at 17:11:51 Will recommended this for my SDFB setup and it arrived yesterday. I know there are more elegant and much more expensive options. After searching a bit I decided $40 is worth just the chassis alone, other empty chassis were double that so I went for it. I've been dying to see what's under the cover. This has been a life long thing with me, I NEED to know what's inside. so here we go... Yes, that's a thin sheet of cardboard in there. I have a few thoughts about this box, curious what others think, leave it alone or upgrades? The plan for this is to have a SDFB and piggy between this and the wall. Then UFO, CSP, ZP# into this box. |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by Gilf on 04/28/24 at 17:46:13 That wire looks more like dental floss than power cable. That jumps out at me as a first priority for easy upgrade. |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by will on 04/28/24 at 17:50:44 The outlets look like they have good copper connections... have to check the sound, but I think I recall this one may have claimed to be real red copper that is plated for the receptacle plugs, and many inexpensive Chinese made receptacles do use decent copper it seems. What about the IEC inlet... Furutech copy or plain nickel plate??? Looks like it is probably plate, but if gold plated, guessing it might use some decent copper under too. The heavy Aluminum case is your friend for shielding. And are those silver plate wires? If silver plate (even if perhaps small, short runs of good wire can sound pretty good), I would try it as is for sure, especially if the IEC appears to be optimized. If not, I would start with a nicer IEC, like Viborg Furutech copy or similar. But I am usually a one-thing-at-a-time guy, wanting to hear what things do before making changes. |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by CAJames on 04/28/24 at 17:54:11 Yeah, it might be a bit obsessive but I also hate that hot, neutral and ground are the same color. |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by will on 04/28/24 at 18:19:52 I like to do "home run" wires on these things... three good wires to each receptacle... |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by Sean on 04/28/24 at 23:27:28 The wire looks to be silver, very similar to wire I've found inside Jolida amps I've had. My first impression on the wire was not good, but I'm going to let it ride as is for now and see. Changing it isn't tough if it needs it. Definitely needs color coded without a doubt. Somewhere around here my wife has craft tape or even sharpies. The IEC looks to be generic. Easy to swap that out. The outlets do grab plugs quite nice. The orange plastic looks and feels very generic. However, the metal that I can see inside and out looks very good. For now, I'm going to double check all contact points and button it back up. Hope it gets some use Tuesday night. |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by Sean on 08/04/24 at 16:18:30 Only took me four months to get around to this. I pulled all that silver wire out and replaced it with some leftover 12-3 romex. If anyone else ever buys one of these, first thing to do is get rid of that tiny wiring. The results are not subtle, it seems the original wiring was limiting power and choking things. After changing the wires my first impression was everything is "louder" than it was before. After listening awhile, it's not necessarily louder, but more open/dynamic with added authority on the bottom end. I'm planning to change out the IEC connection, I'd rather have the wires clamped down over soldering them. I may also entertain changing the outlets out, there seems to be a lot of brass in them...the adventure never ends! |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by will on 08/04/24 at 16:41:43 Could be worth a try if you want the extra oomph, with I suspect more detail complexity and speed. https://www.ebay.com/itm/354968551556?itmmeta=01J4F0F193D6P4Z4V3YKTJP0SR&hash=item52a5c64084:g:OZ4AAOSwsIRk0tKn&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8AlqRvjjiJzb%2FeLU4atgrzLiTEdNF1Cd%2FKS6G9i4qnYipVYSm0iT0h2%2FrK2o2fOyw5UNNZkrniSwma4axfGHFVnFs4Y2F5qxt9AazLDSu1WGH2190n4i8J1Rk86hzuH9IbiwxoD3YGXP0TOA4dsR%2Fh3FLVb%2F67pZkgDf3YYx2eO2NafWBl7%2FJf2P3LVhktEc3jlxw8u9P9FUwbfhJHQqLq7nuGFsnLko4%2FwI43XABYcWvXNRjEQJscSf9ijej%2Bn%2BMLPAl3K93j2sO%2F6ZWGMhb6nnJxXxksRxmqisfPmareLLoLs5o4OOmPETKbXl0fHLhw%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_CUvOCjZA |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by will on 08/04/24 at 18:36:15 Some reasons I suggested that particular wire is it has more strands than some others, and so, guessing a little more silver by proportion, and perhaps a tighter twist/pack maybe more like Decware Styx? But also, 30 ft of wire would leave enough to try a power cable or two out of it if you wanted. The reason I thought leaving the stock wires in your box for a bit might be good if silver, was it might have been useful to get a point of reference to compare changes to. But also, based on the SDFBs opening up and working better here with a little smaller cables than I liked with fuses... though your box wires seem a lot smaller, they are also short, and I wondered if they could possibly work with the SDFBs... glad you found better sound with 12 gauge romex. I went on a little ramble trying a bunch of Chinese made AC cable ends, something I have been meaning to do for years in my case, so compared to me, you did well... only 4 months! Thinking about that silver plate/teflon wire I linked, if interested, I am thinking it could a cool experiment to make a few power cables with different twists, braids, and/or wraps. I so far have liked making cables of multiple, and somewhat various strands, making up the total gauge of each leg with several wires rather than one. And my fav for a while has been to split the ground wires in half, and wrap (or sort of braid) them around the line and neutral runs individually, the grounds meeting back up at the plugs. But in this case, with all bigger 12 gauge wires, I wonder what it might sound like with the line and neutral twisted, and a longer ground wrapped around the whole, maybe every 3-4 inches, or maybe 6, or maybe more.... the ground running across the twisted wires for better noise cancelation??? Or like so many do, braid all three, but I would try different tightnesses of braids and see what sonic differences that makes. In my experience finding the right geometry is big! Here, my latest cable ramble was about testing different cables gauges, geometry, and ends, trying to "find" a more ultimate "piggy" for my needs... looking to speed up and clarify the too intense density/darkening/slowing shifts I got from the SDFBs and Mark's "piggies" compared to fuses. Making a lot of them, and Mark wanting to hear what I was talking about, I was going to send him some variations of the different iterations. But I liked the wire configurations I came up with at first so much, that I just tested different ends on the same basic cables. The sound differences were quite notable with a few Rhodium, a few coppers, several gold plated, and several silver plated... And to me, the best, not always, but generally, share that more light weight "generic" vibe that might be similar to how your orange receptacles feel to you. Similar with my tests a long time ago for main audio outlets.... with good quality metals in all the outlets, they included some pretty nice cryo'd Oyaide and Furutch and more, but the Mapleshade, (maybe NOS receptacles???) simple copper and light duty, was the most transparent and resolving here... not as hifi beefy and colored as the others, but better at more complete revelation of all the nuanced and fine stuff in space, with really good micro speed, and a little lighter sounding, but good enough balances to work from. To me, this was the best reference baseline all things considered, and that has held up with occasional comparisons over years. Similar happened with this experiment with AC cable ends... Not always, and they all sounded really good relatively speaking, but I tended to prefer old-school light Neotechs I had, and the light plastic ones in this Chinese experiment, without heavy metal casings... presumably, the latter comparatively a little overly damped to me. I could use any of them, and do, but it was an intersting exploration. So I was going to send Mark the same basic cables, with several different ends, but I finally decided just to send the stock one he sent with the SDFBs that I had modified to sound faster and more complex here, and one I made with my favorite sounding ends in my setup. As it turned out, these were the lowest priced ends I tried, and here, with my small strand runs of mil-spec silver plated copper combined for total gauge, these Red Copper ends really complimented the cable's geometry and setup beautifully... To me, they sound similar to Mark's HPCopper sluggos, rich and complex with a nice copper shimmer, but these ends (on these cables) were faster, and show all that good stuff with more space, a little less dense fullness, while still feeling a little warm and nicely balanced. Very revealing without hardness here as I recall (Mark still testing them, so I can't check). I look forward to seeing how what I heard translates to his system when he gets time to let me know. Anyway, if interested, here are the ends I am talking about. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806176142498.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller.1.4918buysbuysJm&gps-id=pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.40050.354490.0&scm_id=1007.40050.354490.0&scm-url=1007.40050.354490.0&pvid=b6f365be-1f15-41a9-93bc-122ba022d036&_t=gps-id:pcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.40050.354490.0,pvid:b6f365be-1f15-41a9-93bc-122ba022d036,tpp_buckets:668%232846%238113%231998&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%219.50%217.98%21%21%219.50%217.98%21%402103244417227981404496654e7997%2112000036897020719%21rec%21US%211884426508%21XZ&utparam-url=scene%3ApcDetailTopMoreOtherSeller%7Cquery_from%3A |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by Sean on 08/05/24 at 19:19:13 Will, thanks for your insights and suggestions! As always they are thought provoking. When I first popped open the box and started removing wires I planned to use 10 gauge romex, because bigger is always better! Well, patience quickly ran out bending that thick and stiff wire, so onto 12 I went. Also, the outlets grabbed and held 12 much, much better.I bet the wire Will linked would be even easier to use over the romex. Bookmarked that link for later. So many times in just the last year I've been on a plateau we've all been on - "this sounds so great, I can't At the risk of sounding cliche, listening the past two nights has been full of toe tapping, head bobbing, air drumming and singing along while just lost in the sound. The room doesn't exist, the music consumes the volume of the room. I ended last night's session with Rod Gab's In Between Thoughts...A New World. I've heard this many times, last night I lived it. Sounds popping up from different directions, orchestra parts floating around the background. The phantom center channel image is what really struck me. The guitar that sometimes sits right in the middle of the mix was as close to real as I've heard in my room. Such a distinct and strong presence, striking the string and the sound of the wood body as real as it gets. If I had to sum up the change of wires and the effect it would be very similar to having an amp plugged into a "generic" power conditioner and then removing the conditioner and plugging the amp directly into the wall. It has not been a subtle change. For now, I'm going to ride this wave as long as it carries me. I'm sure somewhere down the road things will change, but even with the orange outlets and a cheaper wall outlet, I'm very satisfied where things are at the moment. |
Title: Re: 4 outlet distributor box Post by Geno on 08/27/24 at 22:33:49 Quote:
I use this for speaker wire myself - very nice! It is the 12 awg version of the 8 awg that Decware uses for the Zstyx speaker cable. I use the 12 awg, because the 8 awg is so darned stiff, and hard to work with. |
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