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Message started by GroovySauce on 04/03/24 at 18:17:25

Title: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/03/24 at 18:17:25

I want to bring your attention to this Kamran posted in another thread.



A few years ago I was curious about this and eventually placed the idea into long term storage.

He kindly repaid the favor and started watering the seed I stored away.

There was another thread started about the STR… it quickly turned into a dumpster fire, so starting fresh. I didn’t relook at the entire thread, I don’t think anyone actual owned one to tried one so it was all speculation anyway.

Well I’m not speculating anymore! I have a STR-1002 Super.




These tube really are JUMBO!


When I first held a EML 5u4g I was giggling how big it was... now it looks like a small guy.



There is almost no information about these so I’ll explain how it works to the best of my understanding.

The STR requires a power cord. This power, powers the heaters of the tubes.

There is an umbilical cable that fits into the rectifier socket on the component you want to use the STR with. The component “sends” AC down the umbilical cable to the STR for rectification. Then the STR sends DC back to the component.

The STR has a few different modes of operation. It can use 1 or 2, 4-pin jumbo tubes as diodes. So running two tubes you get full wave rectification and 1 tube half wave rectification.  It also includes a SS rectifier so you can run 100% no tube rectification. You can blend the SS and tube rectification. It’s also possible to run different tubes and “blend the sound like blending two different juices”

I’ll speculate a bit here. By offloading the high current heater from the rectifier the component power supply isn’t working as hard. It also reduces electromagnetic fields inside the component. By separating and spacing apart the two diode-tubes there is less interference between them resulting in a cleaner signal. Look at a standard rectifier everything is jammed in there really close.

The 4 pin jumbo tubes are amazing. Al from Space Tech said that when using DHT as a rectifier people cannot wrap their heads around how much they copy the same sound when used as a power tube. I’ve only listened to 4 pin jumbo tubes in show settings so I don’t know what their sound is. Based on others reports of how the jumbo tube amps sound, when used as a rectifier they do impart their sound signature.

What is that sound signature?  It’s the most involving reach out and touch the music sound I’ve ever heard. Music flows through out the room in a magical way.

The thing that is really hard to wrap my head around is how it really adds everything.

In the Lampi TRP I was running a Sophia 274b Aqua II and then the EML 274b Mesh. The Sophia is bold and juicy with plenty of density. The EML is more extended and faster, much better attack and space.

Running 1x PSVANE 805A Classic—half wave rectification—It’s better than both at the same time. I’ll say it again, it takes the best of both tubes increases the goodness and blends them together.

The first thing that I noticed was how everything was more vivid. My old definition and understanding of density has entered a new paradigm.

I’m hesitant to start talking about how much more detail there is. Often for me when someone starts raving about detail bright, harsh and fatiguing come to mind. None of that exists.

Details like cymbals being lightly activated when the kick drum is struck. Not since I added all the room treatment have I been so blown away with now much things have changed.

Another thing that caught me by surprise. Having the STR-1002 plugged into the TRP the entire system sounds like it has unlimited power. Which is something that I would think would be in the domain of the amplifier.

I received a pair of Linlai 845s, I bought the internally coated ones specifically because the 4 pin jumbo tubes are as bright as light bulbs. At night they offer a nice amount of illumination without being too bright.

The first few hours I was not impressed with them preferring the single PSVane 805a Classic. The 805As had been burned in for a day or two at STL before shipping and the Linlai 845s are fresh. After 5 hours the 845s started to sound better. As of right now I have 10 hours on the 845s. I’ll comment on the sound difference once I have more time on the 845s.

I did elect to have the choke option. The choke smooths everything out, reducing dynamic impact and some speed. It offers a more euphoric dreamy sound. I only have a few hours with the choke engaged, I want to get some more hours on it before I really did into the differences with and without the choke.

I can see the choke being a nice option for the nights I’m tired and want to float off to sleep.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how much of an impact this has. It's really giving me everything I've wanted. All the mythical things that seem out out reach this is providing. I do want to offer a bit of a context. I have a dedicated room with literally 3+ tons of treatment.

Sometime in the near future I'm going to bring it over to my brothers place and try it on his UFO25th. This should be a more "real world" experience.

I'm talking to Al about making a custom 4 tube version for my amp.





Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/03/24 at 18:49:38

That's very interesting Groovy. I bought a (used) 300B amp from Space-tech, and it is/was great. I always wondered about the the Super-Rectifier, esp. after emailing with AL, who is a bit of a mad-scientist IMO, in a very good way, but also put the idea in long term storage. For whatever reason I recently started wondered if I could get a custom STR that would drive both my UFO25s, which have pretty low current requirements. Depending on how it sounds with your brothers amp (I'm confident it will be awesome) and depending on how the budget looks this might be something I need to pursue.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 04/04/24 at 03:43:13

Me and my big mouth lol!  All kidding aside, I’m super glad that this nudge amounted to a profound positive impact to your already impressive rig.  Based on my observation, such changes are hard to achieve, when you already have a very resolving setup (and room). This speaks volumes of how compelling the Super Rectifier is and has already shot up high on my  radar.

Love the custom chassis—-so much better than STL’s typical industrial design.

Questions:

Can you elaborate on Full vs. Half Wave rectification.  Why choose one over the other (granted you have the option to do in the first place).  

Why did you opt for the jumbo tubes vs. running DHT’s?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/04/24 at 14:27:05

James,

When I try it with my brothers UFO I'll also try just one tube (half wave) and report back. This is a much cheaper option. The UFO only needs 70ma of current so 1 tube will supply plenty of current. If you still have some 300b tubes you could look at the STR-104 which uses 300b.

The only thing the power into the STR unit does is run the heater. So it’s impossible to have 1 unit power two different devices.

Yes, calling him a mad scientist is fitting. He does some things unconventionally.

All joking aside, I’m glad you brought it back into my awareness. I’m really happy with it.

I’m glad I went with the wooden base too. Looks a lot better than the metal chassis for sure.

Half wave vs. full wave. Simply half wave only takes half of the incoming AC wave and converts it to DC full wave takes both sides of the wave and converts it into DC.

Grok will take over:

In the comparison between full wave and half wave rectification, there are several key differences in their efficiency, output, and components used.

1. Efficiency: Full wave rectifiers are more efficient than half wave rectifiers. The efficiency of a half wave rectifier is about 40.6%, while a full wave rectifier can achieve an efficiency of up to 81.2%. This is because a full wave rectifier utilizes both the positive and negative cycles of the AC input, while a half wave rectifier only uses one half of the AC input.
2. Output: The output of a full wave rectifier has a higher average value and lower ripple factor than that of a half wave rectifier. The ripple factor for a half wave rectifier is about 1.21, while for a full wave rectifier, it is approximately 0.482. This means that the output voltage of a full wave rectifier is smoother and more consistent than that of a half wave rectifier.
3. Components: A half wave rectifier typically uses one diode, while full wave rectifiers can use either two diodes in a center-tapped configuration or four diodes in a bridge configuration. This difference in components can affect the cost and complexity of the circuit.
4. Peak Inverse Voltage (PIV): The maximum value of the PIV in a half wave rectifier is equal to the maximum value of the input voltage (V_m). In contrast, for a full wave rectifier, the peak inverse voltage is twice the maximum value of the input voltage (2V_m).
5. Voltage Regulation: Full wave rectifiers generally offer better voltage regulation than half wave rectifiers. This is because full wave rectifiers have a lower ripple factor and a higher average output voltage.

In summary, full wave rectifiers are more efficient, provide a smoother output, and offer better voltage regulation than half wave rectifiers. However, they may require more components and can be more complex to design and implement.

For clarity the 211, 805, 845 are DHTs.

After emailing back and forth with Al it sounded like the 4 pin jumbo tubes would be the best fit for the sound I was going after. Specifically the 845s.

The jumbo tubes also provide a bit to a lot more current than DHT utilizing the UX4 socket.

I haven’t played any records since I hooked up the STR. I’m thinking for the first time in my life I’m preferring the sound and experience of listening to digital over vinyl. I never thought that would happen! I’m very seriously considering a custom job to run my amp.

I’ve been having a lot of trouble turning the system off to goto sleep the last 3 nights.



Much better night time experience with the coated tube not blasting light into my face, I'm thinking I'm going to get some of Audio Magic's Black Out paint to paint the offending tubes.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/04/24 at 17:19:28

And here I was thinking I had run out of components on my wish list! This is interesting.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Dana on 04/04/24 at 17:34:33

"Grok"

Thumbs up on the Stranger in a Strange Land reference.  

In high school that book changed my life.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 04/04/24 at 18:33:47

Possibly this:

https://techpp.com/2024/04/02/grok-chatbot-vs-chatgpt/

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Sai on 04/04/24 at 19:03:37

Man! I’ve been waiting for this write up GroovySauce! I think it’s a very interesting device for sure. I’m very happy to hear you feel that there is a definite sonic difference.

It would be super cool if Space Labs could indeed build a unit that could provide outputs to 2 rectifier sockets for the likes of those of us that plan to use it with something like a Torii for instance. Especially at an advantageous price point as opposed to buying two super rectifiers.

Did the grey coated Linlai tubes address the bright light issue you had and do they sound as good as the PSVane tubes?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/04/24 at 19:59:57


Quote:
Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 06:27:05

...The only thing the power into the STR unit does is run the heater. So it’s impossible to have 1 unit power two different devices.


Obviously I'll talk to AL about this, but what the rectifier does is provide the (rectified) high voltage B+ signal for the tube plates. A single rectifier does this for 2 channels of a stereo amp, I don't see why it is impossible for a single STR to provide 4 channels for two monobloc amps as long as long as the current requirement is manageable. And it ought to be for 2 UFOs. Whether it could swing it for higher powered amps is another question. If/when I have this discussion with AL I'll certainly report back.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/04/24 at 23:40:42

Bloodlemons me too! :D Thanks Kamran!

Sai, Yes, the coated Linlai are perfect for night time listening.

These technical questions are outside of my understanding. Al has been great about answering my questions so if it's something you're interested in I suggest shooting him an email.

“Impossible” was a poor choice of words on my behalf.  One of the benefits of monoblocks is the separation of everything. Tying them together negates this. I would also be concerned about ground loops or other undesirable results.

For the Torii I think it needs more current than two 845s can provide for both sides.

A single 845 can supply ~100-120ma of current.  

They do offer a unit you can run xenon and mercury vapor rectifiers which output a lot more current. How they sound compared to the 845s is something I don’t know.

There is the STR-1003 which can use 2x 4 pin jumbo and 2x 300b or xenon or mercury vapor rectifiers. So 4 tubes total. I’m more interested in a 4 tube jumbo unit. The reason I want a one chassis for 4 tubes over 2 more of the STR-1002 is  I’m not sure where I would fit them both. One larger unit will be easier to place. Also adding another PC complicates things. I Haven’t tried different PC on the STR yet. I’m guessing it will make a difference…. if a PC makes a difference does that mean I should get a SDFB for it too? lol.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by johnnycopy on 04/07/24 at 16:57:04

Hey Groovysauce,

I have seen these before as I was looking at the Schumann products.

Interestingly  space tech also produce amps and pre amps and the reviews I watched suggested the super resonator didn’t do as much for these products which suggest they must be stunning. Have you had a chance to hear their  pre’s or power amplifiers Nigel?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/07/24 at 17:26:54


Quote:
Posted by: johnnycopy      Posted on: Today at 08:57:04

...Have you had a chance to hear their  pre’s or power amplifiers Nigel?


Not the OP but I have one of the their 300B amps and it is very nice indeed, esp. for the money. I saw it used on the space-tech website and was intrigued because, even though it is a singled end triode output stage, the input stage is balanced. Which is both cool and clever.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/08/24 at 16:09:33

I have not listened to any of STLs amplifiers.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/10/24 at 22:51:42

I am putting in an order for an STR-104-Mk2-Super. I'm going straight for the 866A mercury vapor tubes, and have a matched pair of those (NOS RCA) on the way as well.

I think I'm planning on using it with my CSP3, but I could also use it with my ZP3. Do any of you have any thoughts on which might present the greater effect? With the CSP3 it would influence the whole system, but I primarily listen to music on vinyl, so using it with the ZP3 directly might have more impact in that regard.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/10/24 at 23:18:06

Bloodlemons, That's exciting!

What is drawing you towards the mercury vapor tubes?

ZP3 vs. CSP3 I'm super excited to hear which you find has the greater impact! It is really hard to say. I'm guessing adding to the ZP3 might be more impactful. As it will change the source and the CSP3 will work with what it's given.

I just ordered a pair of adapters so I can run 300b and with another adapter which I ordered from ebay I can run 5v octal rectifiers. This will allow me to try it on the amp before ordering another STR.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/11/24 at 00:46:08

To be completely honest, I am starting with the mercury vapor tubes because they look really, really cool. I'm not going to pretend that I won't be listening with my eyes in that respect.  ::)

However, I've read in a few places that they actually sound really great and bring an unusual dimension to the sound. We'll see if it's something I like.

The 866A tubes aren't particularly expensive, and the super rectifier ships from Space Tech with a set of 3B22 tubes, so I'll have a baseline for comparison there. I will eventually go with what sounds best, but I have a soft spot for that mad scientist look where I can get away with it.

Your adapters sound interesting. There's always something new to try...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/11/24 at 01:21:12


Quote:
Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 14:51:42

I am putting in an order for an STR-104-Mk2-Super.


Very cool! I'm looking forward to your experience.

I admit I'm easily influenced by you guys, and a STR has been sounding like a better and better idea. I was also thinking about a 104 for my (non-Decware) pre/headphone amp. I already have 300B tubes and various UX4 rectifiers I can use. I'm not crazy about the idea of mercury vapor tubes in the house, but I'm warming up to that as well.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 04/11/24 at 03:38:24


Quote:
but I'm warming up to that as well


I see what you did there….well played, sir!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/11/24 at 12:48:28


Quote:
To be completely honest, I am starting with the mercury vapor tubes because they look really, really cool. I'm not going to pretend that I won't be listening with my eyes in that respect.  ::)


I totally get that! Sounds like you will have a bunch of options to play with.

I also added a converter so I can use 3B22s in the STR-1002 as well.

I'm also not a fan of the mercury vapor tubes. I'm guessing the chance of it breaking and causing a hazard are very low, rather not risk it.

In some aspects adding the STR-1002 to the Lampi TRP was a larger step up than going from the MAY KTE to the TRP. The upgrade to the TRP was a very significant one too.

Since I've added the STR-1002 my listening sessions have consistently been the best I've ever experienced. It's the most difficulty I've ever had trying to language what I'm hearing. Not only the hearing, the experience and feeling. I'm amazed that the Super Tube Rectifiers are not talked about more.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/11/24 at 15:21:24


Quote:
I'm also not a fan of the mercury vapor tubes. I'm guessing the chance of it breaking and causing a hazard are very low, rather not risk it.


Yeah. My thing is if it were only humans in the house I wouldn't be worried. But we have cats, and while they are well behaved, they are still cats...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 04/11/24 at 15:29:40

... they are still cats...

You got that right.  My 21-year-old cat, Chunk, still get into all sorts of mischief.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/11/24 at 15:47:54

I'm having some trouble deciding which model STR I really want. Al's website doesn't help much; the models depicted are all subtly different (likely due to being from mainly custom orders) and I honestly have no idea if I'll prefer 2.5v or 10v or half or full wave rectification. I keep thinking I should just start with the 104 Super, given that I don't really know what I'm getting into. But it would be just as easy to order something a level or two up. I'm experience option paralysis!

Groovy Sauce: how did you settle on the 1002? What were the deciding factors there?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/11/24 at 15:57:56


Quote:
Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 07:47:54

I'm having some trouble deciding which model STR I really want...


Just email AL.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/11/24 at 16:12:12


Quote:
Groovy Sauce: how did you settle on the 1002? What were the deciding factors there?


I asked Al what the most holographic 3D sounding tube was. He said it was the 805A and 845 tubes. That is how I made my decision.

The STR-1001 is one tube and half wave rectification. STR-1002 is two tubes and full wave.

When I was looking into the STR and Al said the 845s are the most holographic I started to look into 805 and 845 tubes. It's amazing how the Super Tube Rectifiers bring the sound of the tube to the music. Reading the descriptions of how 845 amps sound the character was transferred to the system.

With adapters I will be able to run 4 pin jumbo tubes, 300B, 5u4g (and other octal 5v rectifiers), 3B22 and possibly others.

The ability to mix and match tubes in the STR make the possiblilites vast.

I've tried 2x 845s on my amp and it has too much voltage drop and not enough current to let the amp really sing. It needs ~300-320 ma current and two 845s only supply 240 ma. Running a 3B22 or a v5 rectifier and a 845 I'll have plenty of current and voltage. It shows promise of the sound I want. It loses other aspects that I don't want to sacrifice. I'm 95% sure this is due to not enough current from 2 845s.

I really want to use four 845s for the amp. If that doesn't work I'll run a v5 rectifier or 3B22 and three 845s or 805As.

It really opens up a whole new world of tube rolling. I'm also curious how running say a EML 274b in the DAC or running the same tube through the STR changes things.

I've also been vacillating on what I want to do for a STR for my amp. When the adapters arrive it will assist in me making a decision.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/11/24 at 16:17:05

CAJames: I did email Al this morning. I was just hoping to hear some Decware-centric opinions/experiences before I finalize my order.

Groovy Sauce: Thank you for your detailed response. If 805/845 tubes provide the most holographic image, then that's the one I want. Easy decision there!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/12/24 at 12:39:11

Bloodlemons, I might have told Al I wasn't interested in the mercury vapor tubes, if I did then they weren't part of the discussion.

A pair of 845s really do sound incredible performing rectification duties. I still cannot wrap my head around the astonishing difference it makes.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Dominick on 04/12/24 at 13:40:10

Nigel,

I have to say that this is by far one of the interesting threads I’ve read in a while.  Sounds like you are getting stratospheric sound with the new Space-Tech rectification.    I’m eager to hear your impressions when you try it at your brother’s house with his UFO25th.  

James…when you talk to Al please report back on whether or not it’s possible to run 2 monoblocks with the Space-Tech.  While I’m in no position right now to make a purchase, it would be great to know of the potential for a future purpose.  But I think the reality is that in my open space layout in an untreated room, the positive results I would achieve would be diminished.  

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/12/24 at 16:38:11


Quote:
Posted by: Dominick      Posted on: Today at 05:40:10

James…when you talk to Al please report back on whether or not it’s possible to run 2 monoblocks with the Space-Tech.  While I’m in no position right now to make a purchase, it would be great to know of the potential for a future purpose.


For sure. Although realistically I'm in a similar position so the conversation isn't going to happen right away. I'm also thinking more about a STR for my preamp rather than the UFOs.


Quote:
...But I think the reality is that in my open space layout in an untreated room, the positive results I would achieve would be diminished.


I think that depends on the results you're looking for. If you want "holographic 3D" then yeah, you (and I) are likely going to be limited by our rooms. But if you want to change the sound character e.g. dynamics and transparency or warmth and density then I don't feel like the room is going to hold us back very much. Certainly I've made profound changes to the sound by swapping (tube) rectifiers, and I expect a STR would be that on steroids.

I'm also very interested in the results of using a favorite rectifier in a STR vs. directly in the component.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/12/24 at 19:24:23

Dominick: I spent a lot of time deciphering the STL site re: the STR. What I came away with most is that many of Al's orders are custom products in some way, subtle or unsubtle. Based on the options and form-factors available in his stock units, as well as what I've seen otherwise on the site, I am confident that he could build a single unit to serve both of your mono blocks, with a separate cable for each amp, albeit almost certainly utilizing separate tubes for each amplifier, but with a common power supply and housing enclosure, etc.

Likely that would require four tubes and two sets of tube switches/controls, if you want full wave or switchable rectification, or two tubes and two sets of switches/controls if you just want half-wave rectification. Although, if you're having that type of unit custom-built, I don't know why anyone wouldn't fork out for the full-wave/switchable rectification.

I am not a wealthy man, but when I have something custom made that I plan on keeping potentially for the rest of my life, I pretty much go all out, within reason -- essentially "future-proofing" the gear as much as possible. I've certainly done that with all of my Decware gear, in that I really don't think I'll ever replace this system with something else.

I'm "only" 49, and I may put together another system or two for other locations (I already have a modest but pretty cool setup in my home office), but I can't really imagine parting with the Decware stuff for any reason. The gear responds so well and so significantly to tube rolling, gain settings, and other tweaks such as the one discussed in this thread that, in my experience, you can really make it all sound however you want.

And here I am rambling again. Anyway, it would be cool to see what Al could come up with to address your mono block situation. He's very responsive and detailed via email, and I'm sure he'd be happy to help you spec out a hypothetical unit to address your needs.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Dominick on 04/12/24 at 23:00:28

James….yeah ultimately I would be looking for that 3D holographic sound.  I just recently swapped out the rectifiers in my Torii from a VR75 to a 150, and that was interesting.   Still breaking them in, but the change is very noticeable.  The STR sounds like it will really be a great addition.  Since my SE84C+ 25th monos don’t have recitifers like your 25th UFO…I would really like to explore this avenue, especially seeing how the sound in my Torii has changed.  

Bloodlemons….thanks for your info.  I’m only 52 and I love be my Decware setup and plan to have these amps for the rest of my life.  I have no desire to look further.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/12/24 at 23:12:37


Quote:
osted by: Dominick      Posted on: Today at 15:00:28

...I just recently swapped out the rectifiers in my Torii from a VR75 to a 150, and that was interesting.


Those sound like voltage regulators, not rectifiers. But that certainly would be a big change. However, in my experience, the difference changing rectifiers is much bigger than changing VR tubes.

Actually I should clarify that. There are lots of good/interesting sounding rectifiers, that sound good in different ways. With the VR tubes, there is a small window where the sound works best. Outside of that the VR tubes sound very different, but it is more like different kinds of bad. JMO/YMMV and all that.


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...Since my SE84C+ 25th monos don’t have recitifers like your 25th UFOs...


I'm pretty sure they do , they don't have voltage regulators.



Quote:
...I love be my Decware setup and plan to have these amps for the rest of my life.  I have no desire to look further.


Me too. I want to be buried with mine, like a Pharaoh.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Bottlehead on 04/13/24 at 02:06:59

Dom said:I have to say that this is by far one of the interesting threads I’ve read in a while.

I couldn’t agree with you more, Dom. One of the reasons that I keep coming back to this forum is the continuing quest to improve systems, sometimes with components or combinations that I’ve never heard of. Keep ‘em coming, folks!

Randy

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/13/24 at 14:13:58

For a few years the Super Tube Rectifiers have been on my radar. Not much information about them at all. Kamran gave me a nudge so send some thanks his way too.

Dom, as of right now the sound I’m getting from the system is like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. After getting a majority of the treatment into my room it was a paradigm shift making it difficult to accurately describe how the system sounds. Since then I’ve tweaked fine tuned and got the system to a place I was so thrilled.

Adding the STR was another paradigm shift. When I get over to my brothers place and try the STR on the UFO25th will be a telling experience. Will it be as drastic in a “real world” setup? Blue Node 2 (I think) or TV -> Holo Audio Spring KTE w/ volume control -> UFO25th -> AV123 speakers with upgraded cross overs They have 2x 5.25” drivers and a tweeter. Zenwave cables. It’s a great system and fun to listen to.

Will it be the paradigm shift that happens in the dedicated room? How much of a change will there be? When adding anything to the system I’ve started to look at it from this perspective. If I add X dollars how much do I enjoy the result? Doesn’t matter what the money was spent on. What is the ratio of $$$ to enjoyment with the UFO25th in a normal room? I’m hoping to find out this coming week.

I asked Al about using the STR with a pair of 2 watt mono blocks. I’ll report back. I’m guessing he could put two STR-1002 in one box so you only need one PC.

James, Adding a unit to the preamp might be the way to go.

Bloodlemons, You are correct, Al told me custom jobs is his specialty.

As far as the 3D holographic sound. Activating the choke is a significant change. Active it gets euphoric, dreamy, enveloping and extra trippy. What is traded is attack, dynamics and precision. I’m guessing 90-95% of my listening will be with no choke.

One thing that keeps showing up is how alive everything sounds and feels.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/13/24 at 18:56:28

Al responded.


Quote:
Two mono blocks using one single STR is not possible, but making 2 STR in one single box will be okay, not much difference in the cost but the only advantage is that it is more compact.



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by kulafu on 04/14/24 at 01:38:03

GS,
You are such a bad influence!  Just kidding!  First it was SFDBs and now the STRs!  I have been trading emails with Al and he recommends using the STR on my CSP3 (“experience an immediate opening of soundstage in depth, width and height by 50%-200% right away, the degree of improvement depends on the models you put in”). My CSP3 is paired with either the UFO25th or my Cary Audio 300b Signature monoblocks (so a 2 for one deal sort of).  Beats ordering two STRs or the STR-1003 for the monoblocks.  I ordered the STR-1002 with 805A and selectable choke.  It will take 3-5weeks to build.  Can’t wait!  Order now before the backlog starts!  lol!  GS and Kamran, Thanks!
Bob

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 04/14/24 at 02:40:48

I’m trying my level best to ignore this thread but you guys aren’t making it easy, lol.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by JBzen on 04/14/24 at 10:41:41

This looks to be an expensive alternative to tube rolling rectifiers. Something was mentioned by the OP of keeping space between the dual tubes therefore elimination magnetic interference? What about that umbilical cord running DC alongside AC current? Also, adding extra baggage to a well tuned Decware system?

Really guys…not shooting this product down but have some reservations about it.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/14/24 at 13:50:41

Bob, Exciting! I’m looking forward to hearing about your experience. It took about a week for the package to arrive from Canada so keep that in mind.

Kamran, too bad this forum software doesn’t have the ping ability or I would ping you every post I make… LOL. :p

JB,  yes it is an expensive tube rolling device. The way it sounds and the emotional connection to the music is superior to any NOS or modern rectifier I’ve tried.

I was just spit balling the first things that came to mind why it might be such a different sound. In theory if the cable is designed well it will manage the fields well.

I’m not sure what you mean by extra baggage. I get not wanting more boxes, PCs and connections. I don’t want more boxes, I also want to see how good it can get.

I had my reservations too! So much so that I almost never tried it, The last year or so the SDFB and the STR have been

Using a UFO as an example. It’s around 65 watts of power. Almost half (30 watts) is to power the heater of the rectifier. Offloading that means the power supply is working half as hard.

I really don’t know the why of it. I do know that after 100+ hours of it in my system I’m more impressed with it than ever.

In my last post I commented on the differences between choke and no choke. Last night I was running with the choke active. I still stand by my observations. However, It’s not lacking in anyway. It’s sort of like the difference between watching a sunrise or a sunset. Both are spectacular, the share a lot and they are very different.

Listening to Brent Lewis last night the drums still sounded explosive tight and real. This morning I relistened to Brent Lewis - Mumbo Jumbo. Both with and without the choke sounds fantastic. Two very different presentations.

If you’re a fan of drums and percussion Brent Lewis is worth checking out.

https://open.qobuz.com/album/x2qkbnrhly2gc

Some of this albums are percussion, spoken word and poems which isn't for everyone.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Dominick on 04/14/24 at 14:03:09


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Posted by: CAJames      Posted on: 04/12/24 at 18:12:37
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osted by: Dominick      Posted on: Today at 15:00:28

...I just recently swapped out the rectifiers in my Torii from a VR75 to a 150, and that was interesting.


Those sound like voltage regulators, not rectifiers. But that certainly would be a big change. However, in my experience, the difference changing rectifiers is much bigger than changing VR tubes.

I'm pretty sure they do, they don't have voltage regulators.


Hey James…well I feel like a complete idiot with my last string of comments.  Yes I was referring to voltage regulators that I recently changes on my Torii.   Bad brain fart ….because I then I said something more idiotic that my monos don’t have rectifiers ….WTF? And this is what happens when I’m in a conversation with my wife while trying to post on the forum.  

And yes…you are right…swapping rectifiers really can have a profound change on the sound.  The box of rectifiers I got from you really was an eye opener once I started rolling them on the mono’s.  Right now I’m running and enjoying the RCA GZ34 rectifiers.   The type 80’s are next on the list.  


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/14/24 at 14:30:12

Dom, What was the conversation with your wife like?  ;D

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 04/14/24 at 15:10:52

I definitely see the appeal and benefit of the Super Tube Rectifier. I've rolled several dozen rectifiers the past years in my components, and have narrowed it down to one that really works well in my three Decware components, and my main amp, the SEWE300B has enough grunt that a rectifier is not taking up too much of its working fuel. . . . I do think a Super Tube Rectifier might be an improvement and I might try one down the line, but right now it's not a priority. (I keep repeating that to myself over and over.)

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/14/24 at 15:43:16


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Posted by: Lon      Posted on: Today at 07:10:52
. . . . I do think a Super Tube Rectifier might be an improvement and I might try one down the line, but right now it's not a priority. (I keep repeating that to myself over and over.)


It seem likes Step 1 of Lon buying a new component is posting he doesn't want one now.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 04/14/24 at 15:51:42

That's fair. But you won't see me buying one of these any time soon. it's not possible in several ways.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 04/14/24 at 17:43:36

LOL CA James!

For me, while the STR is high up on the radar, I’m trying to focus on other priorities including a new component.  To Groovy seperately, I highlighted two considerations:

1) Aesthetics—The aesthetic aspect of having my fav rectifier in the rectifier socket vs. having a length of wire going down the socket.  This is me, preferring the way the amp looks as designed by the mothership vs. a noticeable modification running down the length of it.  Knowing me (and how I trust Groovy 150%), I will most likely end up with it in the future, but I also like the way the amp/rig looks right now and hesitant to mess with it.

2) Simplicity—The STR adds another component to the rig, which means additional considerations of where to place it, aftermarket PCs, which rectifier tubes to experiment with.   Right now, I can call up my kid from work and tell him to start warming up the amp.  It’s simple.  With the STR, the start-up sequence gets complicated, and requires a little more thoughtfulness and patience.

Neither of the above two are showstoppers.  I have no doubt there is going to be a meaningful improvement with the STR—but currently, I value simplicity and aesthetics higher.  Those considerations will change—in other words, I can see myself getting over it.  It’s just a matter of time.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/14/24 at 19:22:05

I get the aesthetic aspect. I think the STR unit with the wood base looks really cool. The umbilical cable could use some love. It’s very flexible and blue. I might need to call up Jonny at Snake River Audio and ask him to make me a custom umbilical with his fancy sheathing :D ugh, why do I think of these things?

It does have a bit of a mad scientist vibe to it which I like.

I get not wanting more boxes. I wish I had less. Before I got the STR and the first few times I turned it on I was a bit nervous. There are a lot of switches and unknowns. Now I don’t even think about it.

I’m in the habit of turning the standby switch on when I turn the unit off. (all switches down) When I fire up the system, first thing I do is turn on the STR, push the start button on the stylus timer, do a super quick sloppy dusting with the floor duster thingy (30-60 seconds) then turn the STR to engage. Then turn the rest of the stylus timers on and switch on the DAC and amp. Whole process takes less than a minute usually.

Also, if you are about to step into a time vortex into alternate reality what is a 60 second start up process in the grand scheme of things? :p

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 04/14/24 at 20:22:42


Kamran said above:

2) Simplicity—The STR adds another component to the rig, which means additional considerations of where to place it, aftermarket PCs, which rectifier tubes to experiment with.

I searched for "aftermarket PCs" but could not find a reference. How does this fit into the STR?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 04/14/24 at 20:36:13

The Super Rectifier has an IEC inlet for a power cable; many of us wouldn't use a flimsy power cable that the manufacturer supplies. . . we would buy an "after market" one such as the Decware ones, or AudioQuest, Cardas, Shunyata Research, etc.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/14/24 at 20:37:28

The STR units need a power cable for the heaters of the tube.



Does a fancy $$$ PC made a difference? I haven't experimented yet. With how it seems to make a difference for everything else my guess is it does make a difference.

I'm going to hook up the plasmatron and power the STR via the Plasmatron and see what happens.   :D

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 04/14/24 at 20:39:38

GS,

lol—I was waiting you to think about upgrading the umbilical cord! And I agree, in the grand scheme of things, what I have noted are minor inconveniences indeed—which is why I’m starting with the assumption that I’m going to eventually get it. I’m just fooling myself that I have regained some sort of control over your influence for the time being, lol!

Tony, I was referring to aftermarket power cables. To the extent the STR comes with a detachable cord, I can see myself upgrading that too.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/14/24 at 20:39:46

Ooof! Lon beat me! lol


Hey Kamran and Hockessinkid I think we need to get Lon on the Snake River Audio band wagon :P

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/14/24 at 20:46:11


Quote:
lol—I was waiting you to think about upgrading the umbilical cord!


I thought about it before I even ordered it. Now that I've "vocalized" it I'm doomed. Ha!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 04/14/24 at 21:00:32

All my cabling is either VooDoo Cable Stradivarius Cremona or Amati for RCA and XLR interconnects, or the top of the line PS Audio power cabling that was released, the AC-12 and the top of the line PS Audio digital connection (in my case for transport or phono preamp the AC-12 HDMI).

I spent a lot of money on these cables when I had money to spend (in between wives) and. . . I really like this cabling and I'm not changing. No need!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/14/24 at 22:03:58

I bet AL could build the umbilical with fancy cable if you wanted.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by JBzen on 04/15/24 at 11:09:03


Quote:
I’m not sure what you mean by extra baggage. I get not wanting more boxes, PCs and connections.


Yes that is what I was thinking. My system is fully taking up the allotted space now. There are ways around without bloat. Example: the use of timers for stylus wear is bloat that I(we are all different and I do respect your difference) don’t see as necessary when just listening to my system tells when the stylus needs replaced.
This thread centers around a device that replaces a rectifier tube with claimed improvement by offloading the heater current and giving more choices beyond normal rectifier tube rolling. I get that and can see how it would benefit a limited Decware amp that was developed with resale in mind.
We are all searching for the next greatest add on to our systems. That is the hobby. I feel fortunate that it is the music that attracts me more for that exploration. Not just one or two genres but all.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/15/24 at 16:49:03

I finally just committed to my order and sent payment to Al for an STR-1002-SUPER. For options, I'm getting the 805A to 800B converters and silver 4-to-8-pin converters, as well as OFC top caps. I was going to get it in a "deep," single-file configuration in a black MDF enclosure, but Al recommended the same in the black solid oak enclosure -- he says it improves sonic performance and durability, so I'm going with  his expertise on that.

The result should look something like this, but in a black wooden box:



I believe a pair of mercury vapor tubes should be delivered today from Tube World Express. Shortly after I placed the order, Brendan from TWE sent me an email to ask if they were intended for a STR; apparently it's a fairly common order for that application. These are the tubes:

"VT-46A=866A RCA NOS 1942-1944 original boxes (62-62/40 x 2 tubes) - 866A RCA NOS original boxes"


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/15/24 at 16:55:44

Very cool! Looking forward to your experiences.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/16/24 at 19:53:19

Super Exciting BL!

Going with the wooden chassis is a good call in my book. I like the look of mine. with the dark finish.

Did he say how deep it is with the narrower design?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/16/24 at 20:06:44

GroovySauce: I didn't get dimensions on the final product. I should do that...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/18/24 at 20:11:37

Just had a random thought this morning: It's so nice to add a component that doesn't require another set of interconnects. Just something that popped into my head.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/19/24 at 00:59:34


Quote:
Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 12:11:37

Just had a random thought this morning: It's so nice to add a component that doesn't require another set of interconnects. Just something that popped into my head.


Or, does it suck to buy a component with hardwired interconnects that you can't swap out?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/19/24 at 01:05:27

CAJames: It does!! Luckily, the only component I have that issue with at present is my Transcriptor Skeleton table, which is my "backup" table that is really mostly just for show. It's a very pretty machine! However, I did have my local shop hardwire an AudioQuest Wildcat phono cable to the original Vestigal arm, so being able to swap cables on that table at this point isn't really worth pursuing.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by kulafu on 04/23/24 at 12:35:53

Less than a week from placing an order, I got an email from Al, asking if the case stain color was good enough.  Looking forward to it!  Al has been great to communicate with via email and immediately responsive!
Bob

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/23/24 at 18:05:15

Bob, looking good! Yes, Al is very responsive and quick to communicate.

BloodLemons, Have you gotten any updates?

I still haven’t gotten over to my brothers place to try it on the UFO25TH. I have tried it on my amp…

3B22 xenon rectifiers. I don’t know exactly why two are needed. I do know they will supply 1 amp of current… each. So all power requirements are met.

Unfortunately one of the adapters broke in shipping. Also the SR-200 was damaged too. Canada Post or USPS is not treating these packages nicely at all. When a box is being crushed by machinery doesn’t matter how well it’s packed I guess. I don’t know how they could be packed better besides being in a hard case.

I epoxied it back together and tomorrow I’ll try running two 5U4Gs.

With the 3B22s I got to try the STR on my amp. Two 845s only supply a max of 220ma of current the amp needs 320ma.

Wow on the amp it’s fantastic. The silence and space between the notes is expanded. Resolution has gone up yet again. And the noise floor… already was lowest I’ve ever experienced became even lower! Music just flows like nothing else.

STR and DAC better tone, attack, density, space all improved. Also the density is completely different than what I’ve experienced before.

STR and amp. Still has the traits of it on the DAC. As I mentioned above, the space and silence between the notes is incredible. I need more time to get more into the details. First impressions are very positive.

I tried the 2x 3B22s and the Sophia Aqua II 274B. I’ve been running a pair of SE Aqua II 274Bs in the amp for a long time. It’s a big step up running the SE Aqua II + PSVane 805A through the STR. Tomorrow I’ll try running 2x SE Aqua IIs. I want to give the epoxy 20+ hours to harden before using the adapter.

The one bummer is that when running the 3B22s or 1x rectifier the power supply of the component it’s plugged into buzzes/chatters a little bit. Al said to try running 2x rectifiers and see if that fixes it. Tomorrow I’ll give it a try.

The chattering sound is the same as the sound some components make when they are plugged into the Plasmatron 3.

The noise doesn’t go through the speakers and it’s not noticeable at the listening position. Tomorrow I’ll try 2x rectifiers and see how it goes and report back.

Back to the amp and STR. It’s hard to tell if the difference is more profound on the DAC or amp. The amp can only work with what it’s given. Good thing I have a vinyl setup to try. Since I put the STR on the DAC I’ve only played one or two records. TRP + STR was beating vinyl in some areas and I didn’t feel I was missing anything so I stayed with digital. Amp + STR

I have a pair of the Chinese 300B that Decware sells arriving today. I have adapters for the STR so I can run them for the DAC.

I have a few pairs of tubes now.

PSVane Hifi 805A (stock)
PSVane Cossor 845
Linlai 805-TA
Linlai 845-TA
Linlai 845_DG

I received the Cossor 845s yesterday. Less than 10 hours on them and they sound nice cold out of the box.

They all sound different. Online reports say 100-150 hours to fully burnin for the 4-pin jumbo tubes. I haven’t hit 150 hours on any of them yet. The Linlai 845-TA have almost 100 hours, they have been my favorites.

I’m curious to try a pair of 211 tubes, maybe I’ll let someone else try them. Ha!

I’ll report back when I have more to share.






Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/23/24 at 19:09:33

Great update Groovy. One (of the many) thing(s) that intrigue me about the STR is how they sound with 300B tubes so that will be very interesting. Of course 300B tubes take hundreds of hours to break in so I imagine the final word will take awhile.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/24/24 at 13:45:54



Popped the Chinese 300Bs from Decware in. 300Bs can provide a max of 100ma each. Running at the max shortens the life. The TRP draws 40ma so 200ma should be enough head room  :p

I've only listened a little since putting them in. Sound different than the 845s and 805s for sure. I want to give them more time before relaying what I'm hearing.

One thing that is consistent with all the tubes. The flow sounds and feels right. Grain and noise floor are lowered. More resolution with no hints of artifacts.

I'm going to be trying the SE Aqua IIs on the amp too so will be awhile before I burn in the 300Bs.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/24/24 at 22:15:26

Groovy: I haven't hear anything from Al in a bit, but I'm not worried about it. It'll be fun whenever it shows up.

Forgive me if I missed it reading above, but what is the deal with the dual adapter? What's the goal with that?


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 04/24/24 at 22:20:24

I did buy this nice little piece of retro-tech to help me keep track of the mercury vapor warm-up time:


photo upload free

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by MikeinMontana on 04/25/24 at 21:49:12

We have a few antiques in here.  :D No ..not us! Love this hour glass~ [smiley=icqlite20.png]

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/26/24 at 20:23:51

BloodLemons, I’m not sure why it needs two 3B22s in the adapter. It might be something to do with the STR-1002 has 5 and 10 volt heater settings and the 3B22 is a 2.5 volt heater?

Love the time keeper!

I like the combo of 2x 3B22s and one SE Aqua II more than 2x Aqua IIs on the amp.

Going between the STR on the amp and the DAC has me wondering examining which is more important, source or amp? I’ve never been at this consideration before. From afar I’ve observed and never dove in. Now, as I swap the STR between the DAC and amp I’m on unknown ground. When the STR is on the amp it really feels like it’s being held back by the source (DAC). There is a lot of things I really like when the STR is on the amp.

Putting the STR back on the DAC and there is finer rendered information that the amp has to work with. If the amp never gets all the data then it is playing at a disadvantage.

Right now I’m leaning towards the DAC (source) having a larger impact in this application. Doesn’t mean this is universal. I’m guessing once I get a STR on the amp it’s going to be an incredible jump.

Playing records really showcases what the STR does for the amp. And I really like what it does.

For my tastes the 845s are my tube of choice. I only put a few hours in listening to the 300Bs powering the TRP. The 845s offer more of everything.  I’m really hoping that 4x 845s powers the amp optimally.

I have a few items I’m selling, once one of them sells I’m going to place an order for a custom STR for the amp.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/26/24 at 21:08:12

I'm also digging the hourglass!


Quote:
Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 12:23:51

BloodLemons, I’m not sure why it needs two 3B22s in the adapter. It might be something to do with the STR-1002 has 5 and 10 volt heater settings and the 3B22 is a 2.5 volt heater?


Yes, that would make perfect sense.


Quote:
...I only put a few hours in listening to the 300Bs powering the TRP. The 845s offer more of everything...


Interesting. A little annoying, but very helpful. I'm going to have to listen for myself if/when I get a STR but at the very least this seals the deal for a 1002 and not a 104.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/26/24 at 21:22:03

James, I get it, if I was a 300B fan I would want to know what fully broken in 300Bs sounded like.

Everything sounded smaller with the 300Bs. It did have a nice sense of space and expansiveness to the sound stage.

At the end of the day the 845 beat them in all aspects though.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/27/24 at 02:57:17

Groovy, just to be clear, no way did I mean to imply I'm annoyed with you. Your updates are hugely informative and very interesting.

I'm annoyed because the 300Bs (which I already have) seem to be underperforming. It would be nice (i.e. cheaper) if they were awesome; then I could buy the less expensive STR and not mess with the 10V tubes. And, just in case you have a couple grand burning a hole in your pocket you can get "high end" Elrog 845s (or 211s) and potentially take it to another level.


https://www.elrog.com/products/

If you weren't already aware. That is actually something I'm thinking about for the future.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/27/24 at 13:22:34

James, I read it how you intended. The 300Bs aren't bad, just not as enjoyable as the 845s.

I've looked at the Elrog tubes. They are so much money and I'm not sure if I will like them more than what I'm using now. I actually prefer the less expensive Linlai 845-TA to the Linlai 845-DG. The DG has more crispness, the TA has a more meaty sound. There are also the KR Audio 845s also a lot of money! Not many people talking about the big transmitting tubes so more of a roll of the dice than more discussed tubes.

With theoretical usable life up to 100,000 hours the lifetime cost isn't too bad though.

The Linlai 845-TAs were around $250 a pair so not crazy spendy.

I still haven't tried 211s.

So far my favorite tubes for the DAC are the Linlai 845-TA and PSVane Cossor 845s.



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/30/24 at 18:52:46

When the STR was shipped to me the package was crushed. Two other items and one of the 805As were damaged.

Al asked me to make sure the replacement 805A was working. I figured I would try the PSVane hifi 805A and the PSVane Cossor 845 at the same time. Wow! blending tubes is really interesting.

I've been so happy with how the system has been sounding I'm not motivated to tweak things. A another pair of footers and a piece of butcher block for the STR and of course in awhile a custom STR.... Now I want to experiment more with blending tubes. One nice thing about the 4pin jumbo tubes is I don't feel like I'm loosening the sockets when I swap tubes as they work completely different than standard 9-pin and octal sockets.

I wasn't curious about rolling more tubes in the STR, now I want to start trying combos!

It's wild because it seems to cherry pick the best of both the tubes and blend them together perfectly! All this might be premature, as I've only listened to a couple of songs.




Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 05/01/24 at 00:59:46


Quote:
Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 10:52:46

...I wasn't curious about rolling more tubes in the STR, now I want to start trying combos!


This is what I was afraid of . Different rectifiers have made a profound difference to the sound of my system, I'm not surprised at all that different tube combos would have a big impact using a STR.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by kulafu on 05/04/24 at 12:03:33

I was informed by Al last night that my STR-1002 is being burned in and will probably ship early next week.  About a three week build.  Woohoo!
Bob

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 05/04/24 at 14:58:17

Very cool! Is it coming with 805 tubes? And do you have other tubes in mind to try?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by kulafu on 05/04/24 at 15:46:56

Yes, it does come with bright ones.  I ordered a pair of Linlai 845 TA tubes that Nigel recommended.
Bob

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 05/04/24 at 15:52:27

Looks sweet Bob!

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/04/24 at 18:43:06

Bob that’s exciting! Looking forward to your impressions.

I’ve got an idea for the bright tubes to make light pollution minimal on the bright tubes.  

Looks like yours is slightly wider and a bit shorter than mine. Also no metal plate on top.

Blending the PSVane hifi 805A and Cossor 845 sound really nice.  Going to put the Linlai 845-TA in when I get home and see how that sounds. I also want to compare the Cossor and TAs (PSVane vs. Linlai)

Edit:

The 805A are nice and juicy the 845-TA are more extended and tighter. The blending takes both at a 50:50 mix. Minimal mixing shows this to be the case.  

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Post by kulafu on 05/05/24 at 00:34:57

GS,
Interesting.  I opted for the wide design thinking about yours.  I would be interested in your idea about the bright tubes.  Al recommended covering them with metal tubes.  
I will wait for the PSVANE 805A pending how I like or dislike the bright 805s.
Bob.  
PS, Inspired by your Lampi, I want ahead and took the plunge on Al’s DAC (DA-DSD 512-2 Super) and see how it will compare to the Holo May KTE. It is arrives this Wednesday.

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Post by CAJames on 05/05/24 at 01:43:23


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Posted by: kulafu      Posted on: Today at 16:34:57

PS, Inspired by your Lampi, I want ahead and took the plunge on Al’s DAC (DA-DSD 512-2 Super) and see how it will compare to the Holo May KTE. It is arrives this Wednesday.


Uh-oh.

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Post by kulafu on 05/05/24 at 15:28:20

Nigel as well as the seasoned DECWAREians here have provided so much advise and inspiration to me and have made my listening experience improve so immensely the past couple of years. STR, SFDBs, Cryotone, Holo May and of course DECWARE!
Bob

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/08/24 at 03:13:49

I just got my AL email that my unit is currently being burned in. Here are some baby pics!



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Post by GroovySauce on 05/09/24 at 15:29:38


Quote:
PS, Inspired by your Lampi, I want ahead and took the plunge on Al’s DAC (DA-DSD 512-2 Super) and see how it will compare to the Holo May KTE. It is arrives this Wednesday.


Oh Wow! lots of fun heading your way! What is the ETA?

BL, Looking good!


Quote:
I would be interested in your idea about the bright tubes.  Al recommended covering them with metal tubes.  


I ordered a 3.5" x 6" charge pipe that I'm going to put around the tubes. If it works well I'm going to paint or powder coat them. I'm thinking I'm going to put some sort of spacer under them so there is some air flow. Not sure what I'm going to use for that yet.

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/09/24 at 23:18:33

Just got an email from Al saying that my unit shipped today. I should have it in about a week. Very very cool.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/10/24 at 01:28:28

So glad I came across this thread….I have a  str-104 mk2 in route and I wanted to ask the experts for some advice. I chose the 104, after many emails to Al, because I want to use it on either my Torii jr v2 , Supratek pre or a 300b amp on order.  It was the most flexible and accommodates all components at an affordable cost as well.
Questions:  
- any 5v tube combinations that you really liked to recommend?  Cannot be 2 DHT need at least 1 Rectifier type.  (2-3b22/274b, 2 5u4g, 3b22/866a…)
- anyone know the power mA required on the ToriiJrv2?
- how do you like the choke?  I passed on the choke option since I listen mainly to blues, light rock, folk, pop…Al’s advice.
-do power cords make any difference since it only draws for the heater?
Open to any other tidbits of advice.  Look forward to my new fun toy :D

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Post by CAJames on 05/10/24 at 03:22:35


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- anyone know the power mA required on the ToriiJrv2?


I can’t give you the spec, but the 5U4 rectifier is rated for 225 mA, so it isn’t more than that. I suspect if it was much less than 200 mA Steve would suggest a 5AR4/GZ34 which he doesn’t AFAIK. So probably right around 200 mA IMO.

Regardless I’m really looking forward to your impressions, I’m seriously considering a STR in the short to medium term.


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Post by GroovySauce on 05/10/24 at 13:38:34

Hearafter, I'm not an expert at all, I'm still in the excited learning phase.

Did this thread inspire you to get a STR or did you find it after ordering?

Did you get the adapters from Al so you can use octal rectifiers?

The 3B22s I got from Al sound good.

If I was re-ordering I don't think I would have gotten the choke option. I do run with the choke every once and awhile for a different flavor. The choke offers a more laid back and dreamy presentation.

Another thing to consider is DHT have much more resistance than rectifiers. This means there is a bit of voltage drop when using DHTs. When I tested 2x 845s on my amp which needs 300-320ma. It wouldn't bias the tubes as high. Running the 3B22s and 845 the bias was fine.

I haven't tried swapping PCs on the STR. I'm also using a high end PC on it, only because I had one available. I would bet it does make a difference... I'm also guessing it would be the absolutely last thing I would put money into if I didn't have an extra PC laying around. In the wild world of hifi the PC on the STR could make a significant difference... then the fuse too! Actually the fuse might make a bigger difference?

Why can it not be two DHTs?

If you get the adapters from Al, running octal 5v rectifier(s) through the STR offers an improvement too. You can mix and match to really fine tune the sound. Example 5AR4 and 5U4G.

5Z3 can be electrically identical to 5U4(G?) I don't remember which. 5U4 and 5U4G are slightly different. 5Z3 have(usually) the UX4 socket so no adapter is needed. Can find NOS 5Z3 for great prices.

I did find putting the Wave Kinetics A10U8Rs (footers) under the STR made a change for the better.

What tubes are shipping with it?

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Post by Hearafter on 05/10/24 at 15:54:33

Groovysauce,  Many thanks all great insight!  I had heard about super rectifiers  prior but  when I came across this thread I was hooked and my tube obsession demanded one.  After exchanging many emails with Al and gaining a little understanding on they operate, he convinced me I needed the 104 to run my Torii jrv2  and my 300b on order.  He said 2 Dht  tubes could  probably drive my amps but I would burn through tubes very quickly driving them that high. The 104 comes with 2-3B22’s and I added his  cap cables and adapter#6.  I separately ordered 2-866A and 2 octal adapters.  This should give some good options to tinker around.  Al gave me several combination options to try out that he liked so it should be fun.

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Post by kulafu on 05/13/24 at 19:04:41

Nigel, the STL DA-512DSD-2 arrived last wednesday.  Hooked up and powered up this weekend and my first impressions are very positive.  I have it hooked to an SFDB (will hollow silver) (same 6 outlet box that I am using with my Cary 300B monoblocks).The sound stage seems bigger (wider, deeper and taller).  I am hearing music that I never heard before and the clarity and separation of instruments is darn good!  The bass is tight and fast.  I feel the music more and I am wanting to listen more....It is a keeper!  I have ordered KT170s to roll and see how they sound.  Al, as always, has been great to communicate with and immediately responsive like he never sleeps.
Bob

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Post by CAJames on 05/13/24 at 19:54:20

Interesting. I really don’t want to buy another DAC, but that gives me something else to think about. I feel like your May and my Denafrips digital are pretty comparable, so if the STL DAC is an upgrade for you it probably would be for me too. The big issue for me is I have a real nice AES/EBU cable for my transport, and it doesn’t look like AL does AES/EBU, although I haven’t asked about it. But first things first, I need to get started on a STR.

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Post by kulafu on 05/13/24 at 21:09:33

CA James, I am a/b ing from memory.  I have only one ZBit so the connections are not the same (one with balanced and one with unbalanced).  USB cables are about the same quality.  Right now, I favor the STL DAC but I want to make sure there is no "bias" here.  Still burning in the STL DAC and tubes so it may get better, I presume. The ability to roll tubes also influenced my decision to buy.  Not too many reviews out there.  There is one you tube comparison b/w DACs but you know how these can go.  As the STL DAC seasons, I can hopefully do a better comparison.  
Bob

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Post by Bottlehead on 05/14/24 at 06:13:38

Hey Kulafu,

I was checking US Audio Mart last week, and someone in Canada had the same dac, and advertised it as having a built-in Super Tube Rectifier (as well as the extra thick aluminum). I’m wondering how you had yours built - any upgrades from stock?

Thanks,
Randy

P.S. The dac advertised on US Audio Mart sold in a matter of days. And not to me, unfortunately.

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Post by kulafu on 05/14/24 at 15:59:20

I saw the same ad.  Al said it did not have a built in STR so somewhat a mislabel or misadvertisement.  Al did have one in stock (only upgrade was with side oak and so I purchased that one.  He can make one with a built STR and will be with bigger dimensions.
Bob

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/14/24 at 16:57:06

Bob,

I'm sure the DAC will get better with a few hundred hours too! Where are you using the STR? Two new components makes it difficult to tell which one is doing what.


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Post by Bottlehead on 05/15/24 at 03:43:00

Hey Bob,

Thanks for the info. I’m looking forward to your continued impressions as the dac breaks in.

Randy

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Post by kulafu on 05/15/24 at 11:55:58

Nigel, I am hooking up the STR onto the CSP-3 per Al’s recommendation.  I did receive the STR yesterday but I think I am going to wait for a while until the DAC burns in.  Boy, I did not realize how big the 805’s were.  Huge!
Randy, I will be sure to provide an update on the DAC but I will start another thread so as to not hijack this thread.
Bob

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Post by kulafu on 05/15/24 at 20:59:15

I decided to set up the STR-1002 to make sure that is it working.  I have it hooked up to the CSP-3 with two outputs (one to the UFO25th and the other to my Cary 300B signature monoblocks).  I am currently listening to the UFO25 and has been on for 4 hours now.  Wow!  I am not going to repeat GS's initial impressions but bottom line, it brings the UFO25th to a new level!  Volume seems to have gone up and the sharpness (clarity) have noted on the UFO25 is no longer there.  The STR gives it a fuller and richer sound and very much like how the 300b monoblocks sound.  The Altec 804-8K brightness is gone and now I am enjoying them thoroughly.  
Bob

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/15/24 at 21:11:08

Bob feel free to elaborate!

Wow, I'm surprised and happy it cut the brightness you were having! Did you receive the 845s yet? They are quite a bit different sound from the 805s.


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Post by CAJames on 05/15/24 at 21:47:18

Very nice Bob. I’m curious what rectifier you had in the CSP-3 before you replaced it with the STR?

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Post by kulafu on 05/15/24 at 21:56:52

CA James,
Cryotone 5AR4.
Bob

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Post by kulafu on 05/15/24 at 21:58:11

Nigel,
Ordered but wont arrive for another week at least.
Bob

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Post by Bottlehead on 05/16/24 at 04:13:57

Bob,

You weren’t kidding - those 805s are HONKERS!

Randy

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/17/24 at 16:06:43

Uh oh... Canada Post says that my STR should be delivered today...

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Post by kulafu on 05/17/24 at 20:47:38

[smiley=icqlite20.png] [smiley=icqlite20.png].  Hurray!
Bob

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/18/24 at 01:50:49



Wow. This is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe that what I am hearing is happening in my living room. Chills, goosebumps, the whole deal.

On the downside, something is rattling in the room that didn't use to rattle. Gonna have to track that down...

I had a set of 866A mercury vapor tubes and scrapped one immediately by starting the STR at 10v instead of 5v. Don't do that. No matter, the PSVANE 805A pair that came with the STR are leaving me with no complaints at the moment.

I think this is "it." I don't know what else I could possibly want from home hi-fi after this. And to think that I have a new Reed tonearm coming soon as well.

I have dinner plans in about 45 minutes and I think I'm going to have a hard time leaving the house.

FWIW, I was prepared with a dedicated SDFB for the STR, along with a Super Sluggo. I put the Sluggo in right away, so I can't comment on the difference, but I'm sure it's not hurting anything! lol


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Post by Hearafter on 05/18/24 at 02:24:05

Excellent to hear the positive report. Like the black oak case [smiley=icqlite20.png]. What device are you using it with?  All the STR owners seem to experience a nice improvement.  Mine is scheduled to arrive on Tuesday and plan to use it on my Torii Jr and/or Supratek Pre.
I ordered the baby STR 104 per Al’s recommendation.  Hope that wasn’t a mistake not getting the big boy tubes.  104 comes with 2-3B22 and I have 866a’s, 2A3, 300b, 5U4 and several other 5v rectifiers.  Should be fun.   :D

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Post by Hearafter on 05/18/24 at 02:40:07

Sorry to hear the 866a yikes moment.  I plan to identify each tube’s voltage with a sharpie pen to avoid getting the voltages crossed up which is easy to do.  Also, Al advised me to calculate the wattage to make sure I don’t go above 50w cumulative on my 104 to avoid transformer excessive stress/damage.  A lot to learn with all the variables on these STR’s.

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Post by Tony on 05/18/24 at 04:44:13


bloodlemons,

If your sound is as good as it's look, I'd skip dinner for the rest of the week! 🙂
Beautiful.

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/18/24 at 13:07:05

Bob, That works out, that way you can get a feel for the 805As before swapping to the 845s.

Bloodlemons, Yahoo! It will season and get better with hours too. I’m going to plant the seed for you to try the STR on the CSP too. :D

Bummer about the 866As, I accidentally turned on a pair of the jumbo tubes on 5v. Fortunately didn’t seem to damage the tubes.

So glad both you guys are also getting tangible improvements. After 6 weeks I’m still really happy with the STR. Finally ordered a pair of Linlai 211s.

Hearafter, Nice selection of possibilities,  looking forward to you sharing your experiences.

Now that some more people are getting the STRs I hope anything that sounded like hyperbole is now seen in a new light lol. It still is hard not over selling how much I’ve enjoyed the improvement with the STR.

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Post by CAJames on 05/18/24 at 15:18:35

Thanks for all the updates!

I'm curious if any of you have done a direct comparison of just your favorite rectifier in the STR vs. directly in the component?

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/18/24 at 15:50:30

James, I have.... sort of.

The way the STR works is each phase of the AC is handled by 1 socket. So If your component has one rectifier tube you need to have two of the same rectifier in the STR to be full wave rectification.

My amp uses two rectifiers in parallel. I removed both the SE Aqua IIs and put them in the STR. Sounded better with the STR. I preferred a combo of one Aqua II and the 3B22s. I liked the combo of 3B22s and 845 even more.

For the TRP DAC my goto rectifier is the EML 274b mesh. I haven't tried just that in the STR as it would be half wave rectification. And the 845s give me a sound I love.


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Post by CAJames on 05/18/24 at 16:15:53

Very interesting. Thanks!

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/18/24 at 22:58:00

Wait, so if a tube can handle 10v, is it not safe to run it at 5v?


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Post by CAJames on 05/18/24 at 23:13:16


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 14:58:00

Wait, so if a tube can handle 10v, is it not safe to run it at 5v?


It isn't good to run a tube under its rated filament voltage in the long term, but doesn't hurt to do it briefly. As noted above running it at a higher voltage is a bad idea under any circumstances.


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Post by bloodlemons on 05/18/24 at 23:58:10

OK. Good to know! Thank you!

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/19/24 at 00:53:29

OK. I swapped the STR over to the CSP3 and it's even better. The most immediate difference is a great deal more volume on tap. I am re-listening to some of the same music I was listening to last while I was auditioning the STR for the first time and, while it sounded amazing last night, now it sounds even better. I am hearing fingers slide down guitar strings, background harmony parts I've never heard before, etc. I'm going to leave it on the CSP3.

I can see how someone might want two of these. I literally do not have room for another, which is probably a good thing... Maybe.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/21/24 at 01:32:20


STR-104 has arrived and right out of the box this is a winner!  I am using the 2 stock 3B22 tubes and everything just sounds better.  Headroom and bass is a definite step up.  I had to adjust my sub down.  Using it on my Torii Jrv2 along with Westinghouse OA3, Sylvania 6SN7 GTA, Philips JAN 5933(807).  Nice combo.  Plan to try 2A3 and 866a next.  The fun has just begun :D

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/21/24 at 06:45:26

Somewhat interesting realization due to the STR: the increase in clean headroom allowed me to recognize some muddiness in the lower mids that I hadn't noticed before. I ended up removing my record weight and it cleaned up noticeably, improving instrument separation and revealing more "air" across the board. Vocals specifically are clearer and more holographic without the muddiness from the weight. I'd experimented with weight vs. no weight in the past and could never hear much of a difference. Now it's a clear as night and day. I suspect I may notice a few other little things like that as I get used to having the STR in my system.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/21/24 at 07:05:55


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Fun glow light tonight.   8-)Mercury Vapor RCA 866A first sighting.  Paired with a stock 3B22 they sound great together…excellent tone, very clear, detailed and airy.  Music seems to float for lack of better description.  Also, tried  an EH 2A3 with the 3B22 and they sound slightly different but very good, just not as airy with a bit fuller midrange/bass…splitting hairs here.  All sound much improved over 5UG4, 5GY4….installed into the amp.  Live music is mesmerizing.  I keep saying to myself What, How, Why?  I Look forward to hear how it sounds when some hours are logged on it. Thanks GS for starting this thread


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Post by GroovySauce on 05/22/24 at 13:36:05

BL, I’m still waiting for a few items to sell before I order a custom one for my amp! I wonder why the STR on the CSP3 is more enjoyable than the ZP3?

Hearafter, Wow! That 866A looks wild! I love it. Glad you’re enjoying the STR in your system. Eventually the What, how and why intensity has lowered for me, not gone away.

In a previous post I mentioned getting a metal tube to cover the 845s. They work well. I’m eventually going to add something under them to offer a bit of air flow.



https://www.autozone.com/intake-system/air-intake-components/p/spectre-6in-x-3-1-2in-air-intake-tube/64574_0_0?searchText=3.5+inch+tube



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Post by Hearafter on 05/22/24 at 16:24:38

GS- Those tubes surrounds look great…starting to look like my Supratek  preamp.  I feel like a boy in a toy store and can’t stop playing with the toys. These SR’s are tube rollers delight or curse.  So far in 2 days my fav’s are 866A/2A3, 866A/3B22, 3B22/2A3, 3B22/3B22, 5U4G/300B, 5U4G/5U4G. All sound significantly improved over a single tube in my Torii.   I tried using 2- 3B22 with the 300B and it just didn’t sound right - a bit off.  One of my 3B22’s top glowed/flickered like a fire purple. Looked concerning. Talked to Al and he said that was Ok due to different voltage running parallel  through the  adapter.  3B22’s glow more as voltage increases.  Have you used the  2 tube adapter?  Not sure I even need it with all these other choices that sound so good. I am thinking about building/adding Walnut sides on my Str-104 .  Easily done and should give it a more finished look.  Hearing is Believing! Tom


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Post by Bottlehead on 05/23/24 at 05:00:13

Hey Groovy,

I’m wondering if you could drill a series of vent holes on the back side of each tube cover. The light would go out the back, so it wouldn’t be so “in your face”, and it would dissipate some of the heat. Just a thought.

Randy

P.S. In situations like this I always ask myself WWDD? (What Would Donnie Do)?

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Post by Tony on 05/23/24 at 15:11:07


If interested, I found a positive review of the STR along with a remarkable number of tubes that might be used with it here: https://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/space_tech_str104_e.html

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/23/24 at 17:37:08

Yes, they do look a little like the Supratek amps. My brother is trying to decide which STR to get and we have been talking about tube options for awhile. Add the top cap wire and a few adapters and there is a slew of options.

Tom, if you go back to one of my posts I posted a photo of the 3B22s and one of them glows much more than the other.

I’m planning on making little squishy footers for the tubes to rest on, I would like the tubes to be a bit higher so that will work out well. The heat put off by the tubes is much lower than I was expecting. I still would like to have more cooling for them.

I’m not going to paint them red so no to WWDD :p

Tony, thanks for sharing. I did come across that link when I was deciding to make the purchase.

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Post by CAJames on 05/24/24 at 00:56:09

Well, I'm back on (a) waiting list .

Just sent in payment for a STR-1002 Super. AL said about 4 weeks until it ships out. I got the 300B adapters, am also going to get 845 and 211 tubes.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/24/24 at 01:12:30

GS- I took a look at your  3B22 pics and see now that your tubes behave in the same manner when using the 2-tube adapter.  The left socket runs higher and lights up bright!  Good to know  it’s not just mine and  good info for future users. I have to say I am glad I bought the 104.  It sounds so good, I can use many tubes that I already own and it has so many tube options and combinations with the adapters.  I really didn’t want to get into those more expensive jumbo tubes and have to get them to fit in my audio cabinet.  I already have to rework the shelves to get the 2-tube adapter with 3B22’s.  Those 805/845’s look like they dwarf the other tubes.

STL DAC owners out there -  anyone have input and comments on how Al’s DAC’s perform?  They have peaked my interest after buying his STR.

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/24/24 at 01:28:58

Got my second pair of 866A tubes today to replace the the ones I fried on my first attempt by accidentally running them at 10v. Giving them a first spin right now. Very nice! Presentation is a little more laid back, but very full and lush. I think they're adding back a little of the sweet midrange I lost when I moved up to KT88s in the ZMA.

These are nicer than the 805A tubes that came with STR. I am definitely glad I decided to try mercury vapor sooner than later.


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Post by Hearafter on 05/24/24 at 01:45:04

Bloodlemons- Those are the same RCA tubes I have.  Fantastic sounding tubes and cool blue glow.  Just curious…  Those are 2.5 v tubes running at 5v full wave.   Isn’t that going to really shorten their life?   I thought Al told me I had to run mine at 2.5 on my Str-104 to avoid very short life or failure.  Is the Str-1002 different? Am I missing something…it’s hard to keep all these variables straight.

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/24/24 at 01:50:54

I, uh.... have no idea. Al seems to think they'll work just fine. Maybe I'll shoot him an email.


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Post by bloodlemons on 05/24/24 at 02:36:40

Hearafter -

You have a good eye and just did me a big favor by pointing out my misunderstanding of the situation with the 866As. I emailed Al and and he responded very quickly. Apparently, I need two 845 to 866A base adaptors and a different top cap cable that splits one of the 5v currents into 2.5v to each tube and runs the two in series. So, ordering one of those right now. Al says it'll take approx two weeks to build, and then probably another week to get to me from Canada... I was so excited to run these tubes! My mercury vapor ride has been a real learning experience so far...

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Post by CAJames on 05/24/24 at 03:16:23


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 18:36:40

...My mercury vapor ride has been a real learning experience so far...


FYI you might be interested in the type 83 tube which is a 5V mercury vapor rectifier with a 4 pin base. However don't confuse it with the 83V which is also a 5V rectifier with a 4 pin base, but is the 4 pin version of the 5V4G.

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Post by CAJames on 05/24/24 at 03:20:39


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 17:12:30

STL DAC owners out there -  anyone have input and comments on how Al’s DAC’s perform?  They have peaked my interest after buying his STR


I don't have a STL DAC, but based on my experience with a STL 300B amp and the collective experience with the STR I wouldn't hesitate to buy any STL product that looked interesting. I think for the money it would be a great deal.

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/24/24 at 04:48:07

Thanks, CAJames! I'll look into it!

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/24/24 at 14:10:55

James, That’s exciting! I put the 300Bs back in and had a good listening session last night. I’m going to put some more time on them… Maybe.

My brother just placed an order for a STR-104 MK2 and a STR-1003. We have been talking about all the tube combos and possibilities, it really is mind boggling.

Hearafter, The 845s are huge, it’s really hard to get a sense of how big they are until picked up.

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Post by CAJames on 05/24/24 at 15:55:51


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osted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 06:10:55

...I put the 300Bs back in and had a good listening session last night. I’m going to put some more time on them… Maybe.


FYI/FWIW what AL told me is the thing that matters is the size of the tube and distance from the cathode to the plate inside the tube. So the 300B is big, but the transmitting triodes are at a whole different level.

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/24/24 at 17:12:33

The resistance of the tube is also a consideration.  Rectifiers are lower resistance compared to power tubes.  A rectifier might be 50-150 ohms.  A 4 pin jumbo might be as high as 8,000 ohms.  300b is around 700 ohms?

Running a tube with more resistance will have a larger voltage drop.

On my amp with 2x 845s the bias drops from 70ma to 35-40ma.  Running the 3B22 and 845 the bias isn’t changed much if at all.

Part of the bias drop could also be 2x 845s don’t provide enough current for the amp.  

Going to try 1 300b and 1 845 tonight on the TRP.

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Post by CAJames on 05/24/24 at 17:35:23


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 09:12:33

...On my amp with 2x 845s the bias drops from 70ma to 35-40ma.  Running the 3B22 and 845 the bias isn’t changed much if at all.

Part of the bias drop could also be 2x 845s don’t provide enough current for the amp...  


Yeah, I feel like that is much more about the current than voltage drop. Different rectifiers have different voltage drops anyway, I think that is one of the big factors that makes rectifiers sound different. But JMO and all that.

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Post by kulafu on 05/24/24 at 23:39:22

Hereafter,
"STL DAC owners out there -  anyone have input and comments on how Al’s DAC’s perform?  They have peaked my interest after buying his STR."
     

I own the STL DAC DSD-512-2 and so far I am impressed with it.  I am still breaking it in and so far it is slightly better than my Holo May KTE.  I just put in KT170's and I will take a listen on them.  Price comparison wise, I would say at this point, the STL DAC is a better buy.
Bob

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Post by Hearafter on 05/25/24 at 02:45:16

Bob- Thanks  for the DAC reply.  If you don’t mind, keep us updated as you get some more hours logged on the DAC.  Curious if you see much change.  Do you have a super rectifier built in the DAC or one in your system?  I
think if I pulled the trigger I would get the 512 with the SR built in.  I have the Lab12 Ref NOS tube DAC now which uses just 2 E188CC’s.  I do like it a lot but have not done any comparisons to higher quality DACs or large tube DACs.

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Post by kulafu on 05/25/24 at 11:59:36

Hereafter,
I don’t have the STR built in and I will provide an update in the future.  I do have an STR into my CSP-3 feeding the UFO25th and Cary 300B SET monoblocks
Bob

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/26/24 at 14:48:09


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Yeah, I feel like that is much more about the current than voltage drop. Different rectifiers have different voltage drops anyway, I think that is one of the big factors that makes rectifiers sound different. But JMO and all that.


Not directly related. Yesterday I was at my brother’s, he adjusted the voltage out from the PSAudio P20. The bias was moving with the voltage change. It also jumped 5-7mA when going from multiwave to standard or the other way around I don’t remember which.

Running 1x 300B and 1x 845 was a nice sound and one I would be happy to listen to for a long time. This morning I changed to 2x 845s and the sound is bigger and bolder, seems to have more power behind the music. Still maintains the crisp, airy and floating highs.

The Linlai 211-TAs landed in New York, hoping they clear customs quickly.

STL offers a large range of DACS from $2,200 to $12,000.

My brother ordered a pair of Linlai 2A3s to try in the STR along with the Linlai e-845s. I’m guessing they will arrive before the STRs so I’ll get to try them and report back.

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Post by CAJames on 05/26/24 at 16:03:27

Very interesting.

I'm going to order (Chinese) 845s and 211s from Billington next week. Depending on how it goes it is possible I'd spring for Elrogs down the line, if I ever feel like I haven't spent enough money on tubes .

Also FWIW, there is the 6A3 tube which is a 2A3 with a 6V heater, I think it would work fine at 5V if anyone cares.



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Post by Hearafter on 05/26/24 at 16:37:27

GS- Interesting info.  Al is getting busier by the day👍.  
Well I just had my first “Oh Sh#!” moment forgetting to switch the 5v to 2.5v before hitting the power on. Lost a 3B22 and a 2A3.  I guess it happens to the best of us ;D.  Let us know how you like the Linlai 2A3 (and which one they are) if you try them out.  I may be in the market for a pair to run in my 2 tube adapter. So many different choices with Linlai and Psvane.  

James- “Exchanging Currency For Sound”

I discovered an excellent ebay seller for new well priced NOS military surplus if anyone is interested.  Picked up a pair of 3B22 and a type 83.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163550994098?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=cOfrVu8TTjW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=2lFcSwP8SgS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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Post by CAJames on 05/26/24 at 17:37:27


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 08:37:27

...I discovered an excellent ebay seller for new well priced NOS military surplus if anyone is interested...


Curious what you think when they arrive. My experience with 80s vintage military surplus tubes (as those appear to be) is not good. But they were different tubes.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/26/24 at 18:40:07

James, I will let you know they arrive Tues.  i bought Sylvania 0A3’s and Type 83 prior from this seller and they have been fine.  The OA3 are the same ones Steve included in most of his amps prior to sourcing his Russian NOS tubes.  This Cetron 3b22 is the same one Al includes in th STR with same date period.
The 83 I am using in my Hickok 605a tester.  I wanted a backup and I wanted to try one in my STR.  I agree 80’s military surplus tubes have not been high on my list but some are excellent but be very selective. I recently bought a quad of Phillips(formerly Sylvania) 5933 military black square plates military surplus and they sound very nice in my Torii Jr.

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/26/24 at 20:30:21

Learned through the Hoffman forum that 872A mercury vapor tubes run at 5v, so I ordered a few of those from eBay. I'm still going to get the adapters from Space Tech, but the 872A tubes I ordered will get here a lot sooner than the Space Tech order, so I won't have to be particularly patient in the meantime.

https://www.radiomuseum.org/tubes/tube_872a.html

Hearafter: remembering to switch the voltage really is important! Live and learn, no?  :D

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Post by Hearafter on 05/27/24 at 04:38:54

Bloodlemons- yep that darn switch got me…what’s sad is I have a feeling it won’t be my last.🤞.  
Wow that tube puts out 40 watts could be tough on the transformer.  Did you run it by Al just to verify it's a go in the STR? Really cool looking tube.

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Post by GroovySauce on 05/27/24 at 17:14:05


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I’m going to order (Chinese) 845s and 211s from Billington next week.


Generic ones or specific brand? I’ve had good luck with ebay sellers with good pricing for the 4 pin jumbo tubes.

I really don’t like selling tubes and I have a bunch I don’t know if I’ll ever use again.

If/when I listen to the 2A3s in my system I’ll report back.

From my own experience and others here. I’ve started to double and triple check the voltage before turning the STR on when swapping tubes now.

I’m 80% sure the STR-1002 has 60 watt transformers for the heaters.

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Post by CAJames on 05/27/24 at 17:55:06


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 09:14:05

Generic ones or specific brand? I’ve had good luck with ebay sellers with good pricing for the 4 pin jumbo tubes.


"Cossor" 211s and "Billington" 845s, so essentially generic. I bought Billington 300Bs when I got my 300B amp (from Space-tech) and am very happy with them for the money, so that's my plan. And upgrading later is of course an option.


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I really don’t like selling tubes and I have a bunch I don’t know if I’ll ever use again.


Yeah, same here. But I feel like if the STR works out (and I'm confident it will) I ought to start selling off some of my rectifier collection.


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Post by GroovySauce on 05/27/24 at 19:41:13

I'm 95% confident that Cossor is made by PSVane. I have a pair of the Cossor 845s.

I had an Aqua II go bad... really makes me want to get the STR for the amp!

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Post by Lon on 05/27/24 at 19:46:59

Sorry to hear an Aqua II went bad! I know that gut-wrenching feeling.


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Post by Tony on 05/27/24 at 20:24:10


I have been following this topic for a while and find these initial Space Tech rectifier reports exciting. Unless I have missed it, I think I've yet to read a post from anyone with a Sarah who has installed the Space Lab Rectifier.   Being so new, Sarah might sound just right for the time being, but I was wondering if anyone out there has tried the SLR with the Sarah amp. If so, it would be great to hear from you. Thanks

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Post by Hearafter on 05/27/24 at 21:37:48

GS- yes Al informed me my STR-104 has a 60 watt transformer but do not exceed 50 total max ratings to a avoid any potential issues.  Not sure what size transformer your STR-1002 has installed but probably higher.  I was concerned if someone was going to use  2- 40 watt 872’s… that’s  a heavy load.  In my STR-104 one is fine if using a 300b or 2- 2A3 low watt DHT but not paired with a 5v rectifier or  2- 872’s. Hate to see a transformer have an early demise.
I am really enjoying my STR with a 866a and the stock 3B22.  Just such an improvement all around.  I have noticed that I do have to play it at a little louder than I usually do to get that wow sound than playing my system without the STR.  Fun stuff!

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/27/24 at 22:52:58

Hearafter -

Once again, I have no idea. 872A tubes are mentioned on the STL site, but I just set an email to Al to be sure. Thanks for keeping me careful over here!

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/27/24 at 23:50:37

Al responded saying that 872A tubes can run in the STR-1002.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/28/24 at 02:22:50

Bloodlemons, Glad that you double checked with Al and the 872’s  work in your 1002. Al told me the 872’s are not compatible with the 104.  Different sockets and too powerful. I will be using the type 83 and 866A’s mercury vapors.  The 866A sound excellent and I still have to try the 83.  It arrives tomorrow.👍

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/28/24 at 16:37:03

Hereafter - I'll post here once I get a chance to audition the 872As, and then again once I have the right adapters for the 866A. For science!

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/29/24 at 05:45:08

Finally got around to playing with the choke function tonight. Kind of a "magic" switch. Talk about holographic! Soundscape deepens, edges get a little blurry, and the music kind of ebbs away between the notes, but then rushes back toward you at all the right moments. It feels like being just a little bit high. I wouldn't have known that I even wanted something like this, or how to ask for it if I did. It's very pleasant.

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Post by Hearafter on 05/29/24 at 15:33:11

CAJames-  

“Curious what you think when they arrive. My experience with 80s vintage military surplus tubes (as those appear to be) is not good. But they were different tubes”

My ‘80’s Army Surplus tubes arrived yesterday and they are pristine new in original packaging.  (Fast shipping and well packed)  The Cetron 3B22’s are the exact same tubes Al provides.   Box labels and dates exactly the same.  Sound the same.  The type 83 is also pristine new in original packaging.  Sounded very good paired with a 5U4G.  I will have to do some more combinations to see  how it stacks up.   Need  to get some hours logged to see if they improve.  

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Post by CAJames on 05/29/24 at 19:25:12


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 07:33:11


My ‘80’s Army Surplus tubes arrived yesterday and they are pristine new in original packaging...Sounded very good paired with a 5U4G.


Cool, glad it is working out. I might get a couple 83s at some point.


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Yesterday at 21:45:08

Finally got around to playing with the choke function tonight. Kind of a "magic" switch...


I went back and forth about whether to get the choke or not. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing I'd normally listen to, but in the end I figured "why not." So we'll see in month or so.

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Post by bloodlemons on 05/30/24 at 01:33:01

CAJames -

You made the right decision. You probably won't use it every day, but it probably won't go unused...

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/03/24 at 20:52:44

I didn't notice this until today, and it doesn't seem to be mentioned in the STR manual, but there are slots in the back of the tube sockets on the STR where you are supposed to rotate the tube 90 degrees until the pin on the tube is all the way to the end of the slot. I've been using the 805A pair without doing this for about two weeks and it's been fine, but obviously it's a good idea to be doing things the right way...

In other news, my first pair of 872A mercury vapor tubes came today. I am running them for the first time right now, at the correct 5v. At first first listen, they are a bit less "magical" than the 866As I was running at the wrong voltage last week, lol. I'll have to wait for the adapters from Space Tech for the 866As before I can try them back-to-back for a true comparison. But things are sounding very nice right now, to be honest.

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Post by CAJames on 06/03/24 at 21:30:45


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 12:52:44

...but there are slots in the back of the tube sockets on the STR where you are supposed to rotate the tube 90 degrees until the pin on the tube is all the way to the end of the slot...


The technical term for this is a bayonet mount. Fun fact: Everyone knows the 300B tube, but there was also a 300A and the difference was the location of the bayonet pin.


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...I've been using the 805A pair without doing this for about two weeks and it's been fine, but obviously it's a good idea to be doing things the right way...


Yeah. I'm actually surprised there weren't problems because you didn't have the tube mounted correctly, but good on you for figuring it out.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/03/24 at 23:54:53

The funny thing is that I absolutely know what a bayonet mount is, but for some reason I assumed the pin on the back of the tube was just to orient it in the socket. So, yeah, I definitely lucked out that there were no consequences there.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/04/24 at 02:58:15

Quick pic of the 872As in action. Very different from the all-over glow of the 866A.


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Post by Hearafter on 06/05/24 at 00:44:46

Bloodlemons-  cool tubes…let us know how the 872a sound compared to the 866a’s.  

I ran two type 83’s and was very impressed how they sounded in my little str-104.  Liked them paired together over using one 83 and one 300b.  More 3d and holographic.  My favorite so far is a 866a with a 3b22.  Just something about that blue glow makes everything sound better ;D

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Post by CAJames on 06/05/24 at 01:34:53

Phase 1 is complete, my box from Billington arrived today. Wow, the 211 and 845 are serious tubes!

If you're keeping score my Cossor 211 says "Made by Linlai" on the box, and the glass is clear.

845 looks more Linlai than PSvane, just a guess because it looks exactly like the 211.

I'm sure they are fine, but my tube tester won't test them and that kinda rubs up against my OCD. I've probably got 3 weeks to figure that out though.

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Post by Tony on 06/06/24 at 15:06:41


Good morning, James; it looks like you are expecting delivery of the Space Tech rectifier in late June or early July. I was wondering about your setup: Are you replacing both rectifiers in two UFO25s, or are you replacing the rectifier in your preamp? If it is with both UFO25s, is there a way to do that with one Space Tech rectifier, or are you adding two? Will you be trying out other tubes besides the 211s and 845s?

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Post by CAJames on 06/06/24 at 15:52:15

Hey Tony,

I'm going to replace the rectifier in my pre/headphone amp. I opted to go this way for several reasons including cost, wanting the benefits for headphones as well as speaker listening and because connecting 2 amps to a STR would require uncomfortably long cables. I also feel like the way my system has evolved is the UFOs are tuned for maximum transparency and neutrality and whatever "sound shaping" I do is with different tubes in the preamp.  So having the STR as another "knob" on the preamp fit that model. My understanding is AL could build a custom STR to power two UFOs, but it is basically just 2 STRs in a single chassis.

As for tubes, based on Groovy's experience, I'm most interested in the transmitting triodes: 211, 845 and the 805 that ships with the STR. I also got the adapters to use 300Bs. In theory I can "double adapter" to use some of my fancy 5V octal rectifiers if the mood strikes. I don't have any mercury vapor rectifiers ATM, and am still debating that with myself, cuz cats.

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Post by funch on 06/06/24 at 16:34:59

Dumb question. I'm looking to pick up a 1004. Does it ship with any tubes?

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Post by CAJames on 06/06/24 at 16:45:44

Yes, it ships with two 3B22 Xenon rectifiers.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/06/24 at 16:52:38

I thought you guys might appreciate my low-tech mercury vapor warm-up timer...


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Post by bloodlemons on 06/06/24 at 18:21:13

A pair of General Electric 872A tubes just showed up. SQ is significantly better than the Amperex. Huge improvement. I found a couple of posts online saying that the GE were the "best," and I guess they were right!


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Post by CAJames on 06/06/24 at 18:53:51


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 10:21:13

A pair of General Electric 872A tubes just showed up. SQ is significantly better than the Amperex.


Are they bigger? AL told me that tube size is a big factor in SQ, i.e. "size matters."

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/06/24 at 19:10:41

They are about the same height, but the top is round instead of tapered like the Amperex, so I suppose there is more volume with regard to gas expansion.

The difference in SQ is not subtle, at all. I doubt I'll go back to the Amperex.

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Post by CAJames on 06/06/24 at 19:21:47

Interesting, I mostly ask because I think I saw pictures of 872As, and the Amperex was considerably smaller than some of the other tubes. But google is unable to find it for me, so maybe I am mis-remembering something.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/06/24 at 19:47:53

GE 872A is 8 1/2 inches.
Amperex 872AX is about 6 1/2.

So, you were right! I didn't compare them up close.

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Post by CAJames on 06/06/24 at 21:03:11

Thanks, good to know I haven't lost my entire mind!

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Post by Hearafter on 06/07/24 at 05:24:31

Still can’t stop playing with my new toy.  So I thought I would dress up my Str-104 with some walnut side panels and faceplate trim.  I can’t decide if I like it or not?  Thoughts anyone?  Keep, alter it or ditch ‘em?  



After getting some more hours on my Type 83 and 300b combo it has really come to life.  Just a really nice balance of detail, bass, nicely holographic and 3D separation. 2 - type 83  were nice with just a tad less of everything but more holographic.  2 - 3B22’s (in adapter) with one 300b or one type 83 were very nice but not as good as either of the above mentioned.  Also, still really like the 866A-3B22 combo just something about it I can’t explain.   Al mentioned to me that he prefers mixing different tubes to enhance the SQ.  Sometimes two of the same tubes is to much of the same. Still amazed how much these rectifiers alter the SQ.  

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Post by Tony on 06/07/24 at 07:07:58

Hearafter, I scrolled back, found a couple pictures of your Str 104 without side panels, and I think the new look is great! An addition of real affection for this new component. Nice work!

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Post by Kamran on 06/07/24 at 17:24:39

Keep the walnut side panels. It looks so much better. I know Al offers that upgrade too and that’s how Groovy’s STR was customized.

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Post by Hearafter on 06/10/24 at 16:36:42

Anyone else experiencing a very noticeable deep hum in the speakers when using the mercury vapor and xeon vapor tubes in your Str?  The hum is not present with regular rectifiers.  The vapor tubes also create a pop sound in the speaker when the Str power switch is turned on with no other components turned on.  

I have been trouble shooting with Al with no success. I am wondering that maybe these tubes need a choke to reduce interference..  They sound so good even with the hum I may have to just live with the hum.

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Post by CAJames on 06/10/24 at 19:04:37

That's a bummer for sure. AL is way smarter than I am so I'm not going to give you any advice, I'm just going to point out that all the time he spends working on your problem is time he is not spending building my STR .

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Post by Hearafter on 06/11/24 at 00:46:36

CAJames yep kinda bummed.  The vapor tubes just sound so much better than the regular rectifiers to me on my system. Already thinking of several more questions for Al to keep him occupied on email🤣.  When did he say your STR  eta was?   Better add a week…🤪

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/11/24 at 02:53:23

Hearafter -

I love the panels. Definitely keep them.

I am not getting low hum with the 872As, fwiw. No popping on power up either. Not sure why or why not.

I do get a high-pitched but fairly quiet whine sound sometimes when the choke is engaged. It doesn't affect playback, but it's noticeable between songs. Not too much of a concern at the moment.

On a related note, I'm kind of getting addicted to the choke effect. The 3-D quality is enchanting, and I'm finding that I particularly like the choke on heavy music (hard rock, metal, industrial). It doesn't sound like a good match on paper, but the choke really brings details out of an intentionally-dense mix.

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Post by Hearafter on 06/11/24 at 03:54:11

Ok I think I figured out the Str hum problem. 🤞 Big sigh! After checking grounding, power cords, add metal shielding, umbilical cord iso, str internals… Apparently the 807 power tubes with adapter caps in my Torii Jr do not play well with vapor tubes.  They pick up  vapor tube interference.  Other tubes may run into this issue??? I installed a quad of Nos Mullard EL34 xf2 and the hum is indistinguishable and really gone now.  Interesting learning I thought that I would share if others experience a hum. Learn something new every day.

CAJames….no more questions from me to Al…you can sleep in peace now ;D

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Post by CAJames on 06/11/24 at 04:21:54

Well done! My STR should ship last week of June. Honestly, my system sounds so good right now I don’t even think it is possible for the STR to be an improvement, so I’m really looking forward to hearing it.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/11/24 at 04:32:59

NARRATOR: "It's definitely going to be an improvement."

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/11/24 at 08:57:04

I traced my choke-whine to a microphonic signal tube in my CSP3. So, not an issue with the STR. Which is good to know. Luckily, I have a lot of 6922-type tubes to choose from!

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Post by CAJames on 06/11/24 at 15:24:36


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NARRATOR: "It's definitely going to be an improvement."



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Post by Dana on 06/11/24 at 19:08:56

It would be great if anyone had done a comparison but I would accept conjuncture at this point.

The SEUFO84-25 is basically a SE84UFO with improved power delivery and better components.  How close to the 25th anniversary edition would I get adding a STR to my existing SE84UFO?  The advantage to me would not waiting the three years to get one.

thanks in advance

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Post by CAJames on 06/11/24 at 22:39:46


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Posted by: Dana      Posted on: Today at 11:08:56

The SEUFO84-25 is basically a SE84UFO with improved power delivery and better components.  How close to the 25th anniversary edition would I get adding a STR to my existing SE84UFO?


Here is my conjecture. I went from (a pair of) UFOs to UFO25s. And my experience is the difference was largely increased transparency, detail and dynamics. It made the quality of the front end even more evident and important. I don't want to say the difference was small, but it wasn't huge. My UFOs sounded really good and I can definitely hear a lot of the UFO sound in the UFO25s, there is just more of what I liked about them. Note that my UFOs had all the anniversary mods, if yours don't then I would run, not walk, to get them done before spending any more money on your system.

Based on my reading of the thread, and my expectations, I don't think adding a STR to your UFO would get you "closer" to UFO25. I think in absolute terms it will be a much bigger change (depending on model and tubes) and in a direction that I could quote but you should read in the posts earlier in the thread if you haven't already. Without actually hearing a STR I might be temped to say that a UFO + STR is a better use of 3.5K$ than a UFO25, but that would be a massive conjecture on my part.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/11/24 at 23:15:09

Dana --

To piggyback on CAJames' comment above, I would recommend getting the STR first and keep your SE84UFO for now. The difference with the STR with my CSP3/ZMA has been as if Decware sold both of those components in some kind of crazy high-end configuration at what I can only imagine would carry a considerably higher price-tag. You can always put yourself on the waitlist for a SEUFO84-25 in case you're still not satisfied. If you are satisfied, you lose a couple hundred dollars on the deposit, but you also "save" whatever you would have put into a new SEUFO84-25.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/11/24 at 23:55:59

Al just emailed me this pic of my new 845 to 866A adapter. On its way to me from Canada soon...


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Post by CAJames on 06/12/24 at 01:54:47

I love how all the pictures of components burning in have stacks of CDs in the background. That seems like a really good sign.


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Post by bloodlemons on 06/12/24 at 04:32:23

Good eye. I wonder what's on heavy rotation in the Space Tech Lab?

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Post by CAJames on 06/13/24 at 00:39:22

In spite of Hearafter's best efforts to delay my STR, it is currently burning in and (assuming no issues, knock on wood) looking to ship early next week.




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Post by bloodlemons on 06/13/24 at 01:09:17

Nice!

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Post by Hearafter on 06/13/24 at 02:37:31

CAJames…Very nice looking unit. Al’s black oak 1002 cabinet is my favorite. I am starting to regret getting the runt of the litter 🤔….but man this Str 104 has blown me away with its SQ improvement.  You should be amazed with your Str 1002!

Al is the man and his service is impeccable …. Amazing how he builds units while responding to email question interruptions.  Hope he did’t forget or misconnect  any parts  with all my distracting questions and trouble shooting interruptions! 😳. Enjoy the Music!🕺

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/13/24 at 04:32:10

I'm... ummm... seriously considering ordering a STR-104 to use with the ZP3. I literally don't know if I have space for it, but I just emailed Al asking for dimensions on one of the sideways units.

Like so:


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Post by bloodlemons on 06/13/24 at 08:58:55

I started messing around with things tonight and ended up with two Sophia Aqua II 274Bs in the STR. I immediately realized that I've been so i infatuated with the whole concept of mercury vapor that I hadn't really considered giving more familiar rectifiers a spin in my new toy.

That was a mistake. These sound great! I put an old GE 5R4GYA in the ZP3 to take the place of the 274B I swiped for the STR, and apparently it is no slouch. I'm going to leave things like this for a while, at least until I get the 866A adapter from STL.

My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy, but at least she always knows where I am...


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Post by CAJames on 06/13/24 at 16:31:27


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Yesterday at 20:32:10

I'm... ummm... seriously considering ordering a STR-104 to use with the ZP3. I literally don't know if I have space for it...I immediately realized that I've been so i infatuated with the whole concept of mercury vapor that I hadn't really considered giving more familiar rectifiers a spin in my new toy.

That was a mistake.


Ummm. So I've been thinking too . I have a pretty nice collection of rectifiers I've accumulated over the years and, assuming the STR works out, which I'm confident it will, I'll have a surplus. I was thinking I needed to start selling them off, and you know, have money coming in. But recently it occurred to me I could buy STR-104s for my UFO25s and deploy 2 rectifiers where I'm only using 1 now, i.e. spend more money. For me space isn't a problem, but filtered outlets are. Although that could be solved with even more money .


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 00:58:55

...My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy, but at least she always knows where I am...


LoL. I tell my wife (often) that this is better than me cooking meth.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/13/24 at 17:06:18

"But recently it occurred to me I could buy STR-104s for my UFO25s and deploy 2 rectifiers where I'm only using 1 now"

It's rectifiers all the way down!!

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/13/24 at 22:16:02

Well, I just sent Al payment for a STR-104.

I'm somewhat relieved that my ZMA doesn't have tube rectification.

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Post by CAJames on 06/13/24 at 22:18:35

Right on! Are you getting any adapters?

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/13/24 at 23:53:05

I am!

I already have 845 to 300B and 3008 to 5U4G adapters, plus the dual 300B to 866A adapter on its way to me. With the 104 order, I also ordered 845 to 5U4G adapters so I can run that type in the 1002 without having to stack adapters.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/17/24 at 20:28:40

845 to 866A adapter arrived today. This rectifier combo sounds amazing, btw.


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Post by Hearafter on 06/17/24 at 21:10:31

Wow we will have to call you Elroy…thats an amazing set up.  
I love those mercury tubes they sound great!  Enjoy!

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/17/24 at 23:17:42

One more thing: I didn't like how tubes were kind of loose in the STR sockets, so I've been adding a layer of electrical tape to the base of my tubes, just above the guide pin. Now they are sitting nice and tight and straight.

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Post by CAJames on 06/18/24 at 04:03:30


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 12:28:40

845 to 866A adapter arrived today. This rectifier combo sounds amazing, btw.


So, sounds like you aren’t into the 10V transmitting tubes. My STR shipped today, and AL sent instructions including how the bayonet mount works. :-)



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Post by bloodlemons on 06/19/24 at 00:24:08

CAJames --

The only 10v tubes I have so far are the Psvane 805A pair that came with the STR. Honestly, they sound pretty good. I just love experimenting with more esoteric stuff. I'll probably try some more big tubes sooner than later.


So far, the Sophia Aqua II 274B plus the two 866s is the best combo I've found. I have some RCA JAN CRC 5R4GYs coming my way, and a couple of Chatham JAN-CAHG-3B28s. The experiment continues!

I am looking forward to hearing how you like yours once it arrives. I suspect you'll be pretty happy!

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/19/24 at 01:02:06

I was just looking to mail out a package and found this on the USPS site. Whoops!


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Post by Hearafter on 06/19/24 at 02:16:28

Bloodlemons-  Yikes on the Mercury…I was kinda wondering if that might be the case.

I really like the RCA JAN CRC 5R4GYs. I bought an unused pair ST bottle, brown base, white lettering 1958 and they have been king of the hill in my Supratek Preamp. Just such a full, warm SQ that checks all the boxes for my preamp.

I just received a pair of RCA 3B28 Xeon tubes today and they sound very good.  Not quite as good as the 866A/300b or 83/300b combos.  Still need more time to get them settled in and also try some additional combo’s with them. The permutations of all these STR tubes is going to require a  spreadsheet🤪.

Look forward to hearing your take on these tubes.  Fun toy!

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Post by CAJames on 06/19/24 at 04:23:49

I have a bunch of 5V rectifiers I can “double adapter” with the 300B adapters: 53KU, U52, GZ33 & 34, WWII RCA 5R4GY double D getters and various USA 5Z3 and 80s and I’m sure others that have slipped my mind ATM. Plus 300B tubes and 211 and 845 transmitting triodes. So I’ve got plenty to keep me busy without worrying about mercury tubes.

And re: mercury tubes in the mail. I’m very much a “rules guy” but people have been mailing those tubes for forever, so that isn’t something I’m going to worry about. But I would do a double extra good job packing them.  JMO/FWIW and all that.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/19/24 at 06:01:48

I haven't mailed a mercury tube yet, but I have received several already... They've all been fine!

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Post by GroovySauce on 06/19/24 at 21:54:10

CAJames, Your Cossor tubes say LinLai? My Cossor 845s say PSVANE. So bizarre.

Funch, Do you mean a STR-104 MK2 or a STR-1004? When I spoke with Al he said the only advantage the 1004 has is you can run the 875A rectifiers (shipped with) which the other STRs cannot run.

Bloonlemons, Love the photos! Those 872A are cool looking tubes.

Hearafter, I like the wood trim.

I’m still blown away with how much changing the tubes in the STR changes the sound. I

There are some similarities. Clean, low noise and detail galore are a few of them.

Even in the same family they can sound wildly different. 845s do seem to have the most space and air. I have only tried 1 pair of 211s and 2 pairs of 805s.

I Borrowed my brothers Linlai E-845 the most holographic tube I’ve tried in the STR so far!

Dana, along the same thoughts as CAJames. The STR will give you a change in a different facet vs the change going from UFO to UFO25.

The 805A that are shipped with the STR-1002 are very rich and lush compared to other 845s I’ve tried.

I’ve read other places that the 4 pin jumbo and the xenon and mercury tubes can take 150+ hours to fully open up and show what they can do.

I’ve noticed this with the jumbo tubes I have. The first 10-20 hours are not what they will sound like at 150+

I’m optimistic that I’ll get to try my amp with 4x jumbo tubes in the next week or two when my brothers STR-1003 and STR-104 arrive.

I think there is something to BIG or jumbo tubes. Linlai 6SN7, KT170s and PSVANE KT150s all sound really good. All have an expansive sound stage.

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Post by CAJames on 06/19/24 at 22:05:15


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 13:54:10

CAJames, Your Cossor tubes say LinLai? My Cossor 845s say PSVANE. So bizarre.


Technically the box says it, not the tubes, but yes LinLai. And they are clear glass where yours are smoked, yes? I don't think it is a big deal, my guess is whoever pays the licensing can use the name.

I got a tracking update that my STR landed in LA this morning, so hopefully only a couple more days. I'm getting excited!

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Post by Lon on 06/19/24 at 22:22:09

They are probably both Shuguang. :D

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Post by funch on 06/19/24 at 23:50:44

I meant to type 104. I blame my hyperactive finger for the extra zero. I assigned it to the zero 'cuz it is one, but it still messed up the job.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/20/24 at 02:47:06

What amps are you guys running KT170s in? Will any Decware amps handle anything in that category over KT88?

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Post by GroovySauce on 06/20/24 at 22:21:04

CAJames, yes, mine are smoked. Odd and makes sense at the same time I guess. Exciting that it's almost to you!

BL, I've been running KT170s in my DAC. I don't think any Decware amps can run the KT170s.

Funch, gotcha.

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Post by CAJames on 06/23/24 at 04:05:29

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My STR landed this afternoon and I'm totally blown away!

I think the word Groovy used was transformative, and that is exactly what it. As big an improvement from a single piece of gear as when I got my UFOs back in 2020 (technically that was 2x the same piece of gear, but same difference). I went with the stock 805 tubes, and after warm up the sound stage just exploded! It is huge, gigantic, awesome. And my room might get a gentleman's C- from the treatment authorities.

Since Decware and my Omega speakers I've felt like "big" music e.g. a symphony orchestra sounded great, where small ensembles or solo instruments was magic. I figured that was life with 6" stand mounted monitors and I was totally happy. But that changed today. Now the orchestra (or big band or whatever) isn't just filling the room, it sounds like it is filling the whole house. I could use any number of Steve-isms but I'll just say it wrecked me. I've had more goosebumps in the last 4 hours than I have since that trip to the Russian Arctic (long story, don't ask).

The sound itself is pretty much what it was pre-STR. Just a little warmer, maybe a little slower and rounded off in the transients. Pointed in the direction of the Space-tech 300B amp, which isn't unpleasant, but I don't think that will be my final destination.

Next up will be the 211 tubes. Much more later.

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Post by Hearafter on 06/23/24 at 04:29:19

CAJames - 😂😂 Good to hear you are amazed and I am not surprised.  I had the same reaction 🤯 with mine. Were you the one wondering if the STR would make much of difference since your system already sounded good or was that someone else?🤔 Al is the Man.  I’m thinking DAC now with built in STR even though I don’t have space for it…Ughhh down another rabbit hole or cavern should I say!

What component do you have plugged in to?

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Post by CAJames on 06/23/24 at 05:29:55


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 20:29:19

...Were you the one wondering if the STR would make much of difference since your system already sounded good or was that someone else?


Yep, that was me.

I have it plugged into my pre/headphone amp. And the UFO25s are tuned for maximum transparency so they let the upstream components shine.


Quote:
...I’m thinking DAC now with built in STR even though I don’t have space for it…Ughhh down another rabbit hole or cavern should I say!


Grumble grumble. After I got my UFOs I had to upgrade my digital. It wasn't cheap but I'm really happy with it. But, I can totally imagine one of ALs DACs with a builtin STR being yet another transformation. I have space for it, but I don't have the money and I'm telling myself I don't have the need either. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

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Post by Kamran on 06/23/24 at 06:01:45

James, I don’t recall seeing this much emotion from you previously—that speaks volumes (no pun intended).

Congrats!

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Post by HockessinKid on 06/23/24 at 11:46:51

Why is it that I'm feeling sucked into a dark hole vortex after reading this thread? Do I really need yet another component for my system?

Well I'm considering a STR-104-Mk2-Super to pair with my CSP3 that has 25th Anniversary modifications now. I just received a 3 amp SDFB to use with the CSP3 and haven't even been able to hook it up yet due to travel.

I'm just going to have to take some rack measurements to make sure the STR 104 MkII will fit nicely next to my CSP3 and there will be enough headroom for the tubes. I'm currently running a Cryotine 5U4G-WC rectifier in the CSP3. Something tells me a new Butcher Block Acoustics Rigid Rack is in the not too distant future.

So I'll be shooting an email to Al with some system and room information shortly. Plan to start out with some 845 tubes (as long as they fit with my rack height limits). I will probably order one with a wood base, hopefully Al can match my Decware cherry base after I send some pictures.

I currently have a power cable loom that primarily consist of Zenwave & Snake River Audio power cords (damn you Nigel & Jonny). Based on current STL tube rectifier users, how important is an after market PC with the tube rectifiers? Does it have a similar importance factor as compared with an amp or source equipment?

You guys are just a terrible influence. Thanks.😉

HK

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Post by GroovySauce on 06/23/24 at 13:04:16

CAJames, Yahoo! Your description sounds similar to my experience.

The way you describe the 805As that shipped with the STR is also spot on with how I would describe them.

I’m looking forward to more reports as you get more time and try some more tubes. The jumbo tubes can take 100-150 hours to settle and show you what they can do. Some are much faster than that.

HK, More like a vortex of sparkling light that takes you a new plane.

I haven’t tested with aftermarket PCs with the STR. I do have a SRA cable on it, only because I have an extra one. I haven’t compared to other PCs.

The STR-104 MK2 isn’t compatible with the 4 pin jumbo tubes (845, 805, 211, etc.) The STR-1002 is.

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Post by CAJames on 06/23/24 at 14:42:52

Thanks guys. And double extra thanks to GroovySauce for taking the plunge and sharing his experience with the STR.

If I sounded excited yesterday its only because I was. I guess (for me at least) there is always a little fear of the unknown, esp. when you spend 4 figures on something as funky as an external rectifier. And to have it pay off, and so handsomely, is both really satisfyingly and a bit of relief. Like when I got my first Decware amps. But unlike the amps the STR didn't need hours of breakin to slowly reveal the magic. It was just BANG! I'm here and your system is way better than you thought it could be.

I let the 211 tubes cook overnight. I don't necessarily recommend running tube gear while you're asleep, but I'm not a patient person so I do it occasionally. I'm going to let it cool off for a few hours while I do other stuff and then start listening, so another update later. Finally, in case anyone is interested, the dimensions of my 1002 with the big tubes are:

8"W x 16"D x 12"H.

So the footprint is pretty similar to a UFO25. It also got a bit warm running the big transmitting triodes for 10 hours.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/23/24 at 17:43:40

CAJames --

Awesome to hear that your mind is blown, as was mine. I literally not understand why more audiophiles aren't using some form of outboard rectifier. People will spend hundreds of dollars on rocks to put on top of your components, but somehow scoff at Al's designs. Like you said, the STR is the biggest upgrade in the sound of my system since getting the Decware amps themselves. And it is so simple to integrate. Pretty much just plug it in and you're off to the races.

As for cost, the STR-1002-Mk2-Super I got cost approx 1/3 of the ZMA, 2/3 of each the CSP3 and ZP3, 1/2 of a Sorcer, 2/3 of my turntable cartridge, 1/3 of my tonearm, etc... The STR is hardly a huge outlay in comparison to the rest of the system. I'm not saying it's inexpensive, but there are people with $100K speakers out there (not me)...

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Post by funch on 06/23/24 at 20:35:28

CAJames,

Have you tried it with headphones? Is the change as dramatic as with speakers?

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Post by CAJames on 06/23/24 at 20:53:19


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 09:43:40

...As for cost, the STR-1002-Mk2-Super I got cost approx 1/3 of the ZMA, 2/3 of each the CSP3 and ZP3, 1/2 of a Sorcer, 2/3 of my turntable cartridge, 1/3 of my tonearm, etc... The STR is hardly a huge outlay in comparison to the rest of the system.


For sure, as a "component" it is perfectly reasonable. As a "tweak" like a cable or fuse or rock it is a lot of money. But whatever you call it for what it does it is a screaming bargain.


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Posted by: funch      Posted on: Today at 12:35:28

Have you tried it with headphones? Is the change as dramatic as with speakers?


Yes and no. There is certainly a bigger headscape, but not as dramatic as with speakers. This is consistent with my experience through the years: speakers are much more revealing of spatial effects than 'phones. It is a nice upgrade but I wouldn't have spent the money just for headphones. That is what I expected going in.

Early returns on Cossor/LinLai 211s are very positive. The sound is faster and more dynamic than the 805A and if not exactly warm, it has a very solid low register. The soundstage is huge, but not as huge has the 805A. Will it get even better with more hours? Almost certainly, but I also want to hear the 845s so I'll listen to the 211s through tomorrow than swap in the 845s.



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Post by bloodlemons on 06/25/24 at 00:49:45

Here's something that's most-definitely a "your mileage may vary" type of thing, but I was using a Verafi Super Piggy (without SDFB) on my STR-1002 to check out an unrelated question I had, and the Super Piggy sounds notably better than the much larger "audiophile" cord I was using before. I'm not going to name the manufacturer of the other cord because (again), YMMV. But let's just say I was surprised. The Super Piggy produced a slightly wider soundstage, but the main benefit is a substantial increase in holographic depth. The Super Piggy is a little too short for my setup, but it's long enough to make the connection so I guess it's staying put for the foreseeable future.

I also swapped Copper and Super Sluggos in the STR fuse position and Copper sounded good, maybe even a little more heft, but the Super Sluggo won out for clarity and detail (but it was fairly close, truth be told). I haven't swapped in a Super-Duper Sluggo yet, because I can't decide which component to remove one from for the experiment, but that will happen soon enough. Also, I have two Graphene on the way, so that will probably free a couple of spots up for a more comprehensive comparison.

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Post by CAJames on 06/25/24 at 02:43:54

So the 211 tubes sounded pretty much the same after 30+ hours as they did after 10 so I put them away to get a head start on the 845. I liked the 211 a lot, it had a really solid, "tactile" tone with tons of detail and dynamics. Downside was the sound stage was compressed compared to the other tubes in the STR or my favorite conventional rectifiers. The center image was great, but it ended at the edge of the speakers and I'm used to it extending well beyond. I've seen NOS or good used 211s at decent prices so that might be something I'll look at down the road.

I've got about 6 hours on the 845s and I don't want to say much. Right now the soundstage is certainly big and airy, but too airy and the sound is a bit thin and/or veiled. But we'll see how it sounds tomorrow.

FYI/FWIW I also tried swapping my decent power cord with the throw away that came with the STR and didn't notice any difference. So if you need to go cheap on a PC the STR would be a good candidate.

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/25/24 at 08:22:52

CAJames --

It's interesting that you would say that about the PC on the STR, because my experience was so different. Now I'm wondering if I should try a generic PC and see how it compares to the Super Piggy. Maybe the STR just doesn't like big thick power cords? Counterintuitive, but like I said above, I was very surprised that the PC I swapped in just for a minute to test something ended up being unquestionably preferable to the much more expensive cord it replaced. You never know in this hobby!

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Post by will on 06/25/24 at 16:25:57

Bloodlemons,

Roughly speaking I am thinking it is like adding a sluggo, compared to fuses... I think a sluggo increases power supply push and all beyond. To a point this can enhance the signal in balance. But after that point, it can push the power supply hard enough to cause the rest of the component parts to load enough to consolidate the mids, reducing finer information that supports a good soundstage and a real music feel.... while beefing bass up too much, the bass thicker, darker, and more muddled... and leaking into the mids, masking finer textures, ambient info, etc. A balancing act that reveals differently in different setups and components.

Power cables are the same, perhaps especially with our tube gear. Don't know as I have not used solid state amps for a very long time. I am guessing they are effected, perhaps as much, or perhaps they are a little more tolerant...But in my experience, with simple circuits in tube components, wire size is a big player in sound qualities... not just at the power cord.

So I suspect what folks who prefer the stock cable with super rectifiers are hearing is likely less the cable quality, and more the cable quantity. Associated, I am guessing a cable with the same gauge and really nice wires and ends would sound better. Have not looked to verify, but memory says a lot of these stock cables are about 14 gauge??? a lean sounding cable in comparison especially to a 10-8 gauge cable that many "audiophile" cable makers think are "better" ...which can be true, but not necessarily. Also some audiophile cables are intentionally made to be "warm" and euphonic in the right setups, but if not right, the affects applied in design to make them warm and euphonic can go too far, and darken/thicken/slow/mask.

I am guessing in your comparison the Super Piggy covers both toward a more revealing sound from the super rectifier... likely a lighter gauge than your other cable, while being designed/made to read neutral and transparent...

It could be one or the other, or both you are liking, pushing and/or coloring the super rectifier parts less, including tubes, and letting the super rectifier do its thing without consolidation and thickness. Worth checking out I think.


Will

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/25/24 at 19:19:18

Will --

That all makes sense! Yes, the Super Piggy is considerably thinner than the cord it replaced. I may have to seek out a longer cord of similar gauge.

Thank you for your thoughts on that one!

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Post by will on 06/25/24 at 19:59:06

You are welcome. I think for many of us it is well known different power cables have different sound, but how much gauge can effect this, not as much....  it definitely does in my systems... gauge and materials, and geometry all effect the speed, revelation, and colorations of the sound for better or worse. Power cable rolling, finding the best one for a component in the matrix has been a big thing here to get the most complete and musical balances all together and without sacrifices. I find internal wires the same, and ICs, and speaker cables in my systems.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 06/26/24 at 03:49:48

So neither my 211 nor 845 tubes are a homerun at this point (30ish hours in). The 211 has a gorgeous, solid tactile sound but a compressed sound stage. The 845 has a huge 3D sound stage but a thin, veiled sound. So I put one of each the STR, and adjusted the tubes in my (non-Decware) preamp, to which the STR is connected, and the system sounds really good. Not the best of both tubes, but a good combination of the strengths without much of the weaknesses. I might have liked the 805As a little better, but I was so overwhelmed on first listen I'd need to hear them again to get a fair opinion and I want to give the 211+845 (I'll call it 1056) a full 150 hours and then re-evaluate.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 06/27/24 at 22:00:27

If you're squeamish you might want to look away.

I got bored waiting for something to happen with the 211/845 breakin so I decided to have a little fun. And by fun I mean triple-adapters.



Telefunken AZ1 in front, AZ12 in back.

AZ(N) -> 5U4 adapters
5U4 -> 5Z3 adapters
300B -> 845 adapters

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Probably not a keeper, but it sounds good. Of course pretty much everything I throw at the STR sounds good.



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Post by Hearafter on 06/27/24 at 22:08:06

🤯 I smell something burning!

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Post by CAJames on 06/27/24 at 22:13:23


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Post by bloodlemons on 06/28/24 at 03:17:12

Your overhead shelf can't handle any more adapters!

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Post by GroovySauce on 06/28/24 at 14:14:02

James, like other tubes different brands and models can sound significantly different in the same family.

I have tried more 845s than any other. The Linlai E-845 is super clear, spacious and expansive. With 60-70 hours the bass is starting to fill in more. It’s my brother’s tube and his STR-1003 just shipped so it’s heading back to his place.

The Linlai 845-TA (black coated tube) isn’t quite as expansive and smooths things a bit, it does have significantly more bass presence. I’ve used this tube the most so far.

Linlai DG-845 it’s a bit of a split between the E-845 and 845-TA. I coated it with Audio Magic black out paint before I bought the charge pipe to block the light. Unfortunately the paint still has an odor when the tubes get warm so have limited hours on them.

Cossor 845 Softer top end lush mids with full bass that isn’t the most articulate.

PSVANE 805A Big and bold. Lots of density and good sound stage. Can be too rich. The thing I noticed is that the detail still shines through.

Linlai 211-TA Not a lot of time not solid memory of what it sounds like.

Linlai 805-TA Every string, every note has a density to it with no thickness. Not the most expansive. Hard to convey how they sound. Low hours less than 50

4 adapters for rectifiers! whooo!

Sluggo and or PC I’m going to have to investigate. The STR only provides the heater current. If the heater is adding its own sonic signature based on the quality of the incoming power, it follows that PCs and fuse will change the sound.

I wish I had a rig to burn in all the 4 pin jumbo tubes with “signal” going through them. Some jumbo tubes can take 1,250 volts! So 350-470v is a walk in the park for them. I only have two pairs that are fully burned in. The Cossor 845 and Linlai 845-TA

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 06/28/24 at 15:10:59

Wow. Thanks everyone for sharing impressions of the STR tube rectifiers. I have to wait a bit to order an STR 1002 for my CSP3 due to rack space limitations and a somewhat gnarly mess of power cords & SDFB's. Damn that Mark Schifter 😂. Anyway my BBA Rigid Rack Plus rack delivery is about a month out, so an order with Al will probably be placed in August. Ugh!

Given the various tube options for the STR-1002 it's really helpful to learn about folks listening experiences with various tube options. I'm very excited about the various options and your listening experiences, especially once folks get hours on their tubes.

I can't go crazy with super expensive options, so the Psvane and Linlai tubes look like very promising options. Since these Chinese tubes are often are questionable quality, especially those sold on eBay or AliExpress does anyone have opinions or suggestions on reputable seller sources? I'd like to pick up a couple pairs over the next couple of months to add to my stash. I may be thinning out my CSP3 rectifier herd during the interim, who knows.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 06/28/24 at 17:39:52

I agree, more people discussing their experiences with different tubes and tube combinations will be really helpful. I've had a few people on WBF message me about the STR and they say they found this thread when searching.

The jumbo tubes can be spendy, they also start around $200 a pair on ebay. 211 and 805 seem to be a bit less than the 845. The "cheap" jumbo tubes sound fantastic. The pricier tubes like the Linlai E-845 isn't necessarily "better" than the less expensive tubes. This also might be due to me not getting enough hours on all the tubes. Right now I'm getting some hours on the LL 211-TA they sound significantly different than the 845-TA both are enjoyable.

Once I get more time on the tubes I'm going to start trying more combos. I do wish I had one or two more options in the 211 and 805. I have mostly Linlai so want to try more PSVane tubes.

I've bought a few from "Suzier Audio" on ebay and they all have been fine.

My brother ordered a few tubes from https://www.hifi-amplifiers.com/ and they all seem to be fine.

There also is https://premiumvacuumtubes.com/ with a premium price, in theory the best of the best.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 06/28/24 at 18:07:41


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 06:14:02

James, like other tubes different brands and models can sound significantly different in the same family.


I know, I know. Thanks for the tube reviews, I really don't want to start collecting these big tubes but I can see that is where this is headed...

I'm getting close to 100 hours on the 845/211 combo and it is clearly making progress. The sound clearer and more liquid (but definitely not warm)  and the sound stage is bigifying. It sounds really good on more intimate music but I still miss the house filling "boldness" as you so aptly put it, of the stock 805A when things get big. I'm going to be out of the house today but tomorrow I'm going to try the 805As again and perhaps in combination with the 845 and 211 and see where I'm at. Those PSVane 805s are relatively inexpensive so I wouldn't hate it if they turned out to be the best match for my system.

In addition to triple adapter craziness yesterday I also did some serious listening to my (well broken in) Takatsuki 300Bs, both together and with a few of my favorite 5V rectifiers. It wasn't bad, and I guess I'm glad I did it but I don't think I'm going back to 5V tubes (anyone what to buy some lightly used 300B -> 845 adapters?).


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I wish I had a rig to burn in all the 4 pin jumbo tubes with “signal” going through them


Seriously. I've been kinda thinking about an old-timey radio transmitter that would use these tubes. But that would be crazy, right?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 06/28/24 at 19:00:55

Thanks GS & CA James. Your insights and sharing is so helpful and what sets the Decware forum members apart. Thanks to Steve Deckert for feeding and maintenance. Truly exceptional group 😎.

HK

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Post by bloodlemons on 06/28/24 at 23:02:40

I have 805A, 866A, 872A and 382B pairs (as far as larger tubes go), and a variety of smaller tubes, particularly Sophia 274B Aqua II and a pair of 1940s RCA JAN CRC 5R4GY.

805A in series: Very good. Clear and full. But not amazing.

872A (mercury) in series: Very nice, high, deep, wide, lush. But there's a "tizziness" in the highs that I can't get to go away even with swapping in different tubes (I have four of these). I spent the better part of two days trying to figure out what was rattling in my living room. That wasn't it; it's something about the tubes themselves.

3B2B (xenon): OMG so boring. Just so, so boring.

866A in parallel (with adapter) plus one 5U4G-style rectifier in the other socket: Absolutely the best I've ever heard my system. Very good with a Sophia Aqua II, but substantially nicer with an RCA 5R4GY. That is the combo I'm set on for the foreseeable future.

All of the above combinations are running into my CSP3 alongside a Sophia Aqua II in the ZP3. I tried running three Aquas - two in series in the STR plus one in the ZP3 and it actually sounded really good. Just not quite as good as the 866A/5R4GY combo.

At the risk of being repetitive in my posting, I am waiting on a STR-104-Super, which I expect will be here in the next four weeks or so. I'm not sure how that will affect the current status quo. Maybe I'll try to keep that stage more or less transparent, or maybe I'll go full-lush and run 866As in that one too. It's basically a science experiment for me at this point.

Lastly, I will add that about a week ago, my girlfriend (who has always been tolerant but not enthusiastic about my hi-fi tinkering) actually looked up during "Girl From Ipanema" and said "What did you do? It's like I can feel the song now." As you can imagine, this is what passes for an exciting development in my home these days. We spent the next three hours just actively listening to music, another thing that she'd never seemed that interested in before. A few days later, she said something to the effect of "You really did a great job with the stereo. It sounds so good. Are you going to stop messing with it now?" And I was all like... "No..."

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Post by Hearafter on 06/29/24 at 00:09:29

Bloodlemons-  Great info even for a STR-104er.  Interesting you like the smaller tubes that can be used in the STR-104.  You got me very curious how the STR-1002 compares in SQ to the STR-104 using the same set of tubes.  I still keep wondering if I made a mistake and should have purchased the 1002 even though I am extremely happy with my 104.  Maybe you could compare them using the same 5v tubes when the 104 arrives if it's not  too much of a hassle.

The 866a are my favorites paired with other tubes  or together but I do like running  2-3B28’s in an adapter with 1 300b.

Other combo’s that I like are: 1 Type 83 and 1 300b, 2-3B22 and 1 type 83, 2-3B22 and 1 300b, 2- 3B22 (stock set)

I haven’t really found that any of my regular 5 volt rectifiers sound  as good as the above combos. I seem to prefer the Mercury and Xeon gas tubes and 300b so far.  Time will tell with more hours of use.  Fun tinker toy!


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Post by bloodlemons on 06/29/24 at 00:30:36

Hereafter --

You KNOW I will be comparing tubes in both units. I don't even have a choice; it's a compulsion!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 06/29/24 at 19:34:00

So this morning I listened again to the 845/211 combo, now with 100+ hours and it continues to improve. Then I put the 805As back in for the first time since my initial listening, and they win. Just a bigger, better and overall nicer sound. And it seems like after a week of almost continuous use some of the extra warmth has cooked out of the STR so they actually sound even better than I remember. I think I'm done rolling for a while and am just going to enjoy the 805As.

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Post by HockessinKid on 06/29/24 at 21:41:17

CA James,

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like Al made a solid choice with the 805A tubes for the STR-1002. Such a wide variety of choices with tube options and SQ/build variations on these options.

I'm doing my research now and plan a discussion with Al as he has probably heard more different combinations in his tube rectifiers.  Looks like LinLai has different levels 805A tubes as well.

Enjoy, glad to hear it's sounding even better with more hours on the unit.

HK

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/01/24 at 19:24:04

After several incidences of forgetting to check tube voltage or turn components on/off in the correct order, I decided to have some more-explicit switchplates made to help curb my general haste and stupity.


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I am also concerned that a visitor to my home might be intrigued be the hi-fi and start poking around. So I whipped up some safety precaution plates and decals.



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I made enough for the imminent STR-104 as well. It might be overkill, but I feel a little better knowing that curious fingers should be on notice that this is not your typical Sony integrated amp. As for the instruction plates, hopefully they'll catch my eye a little more often before I start flipping switches and swapping things around.

I have four extra of the mercury decals if anyone wants one. 6 was the minimum order.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 07/01/24 at 19:34:48

After I made the voltage mistake and damaged 2 tubes, I have developed the habit of always flipping the v switch to the middle off position when tubes are removed.  Forces me to set the voltage and no harm is done if I forget and turn STR on standby.  Works for me so far🤞

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Post by CAJames on 07/01/24 at 21:21:11

I love the mercury vapor warning! I want one just for the aesthetics, but in California you'd need a Prop 65 warning as well and I don't want to get in trouble with the heat.


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Post by bloodlemons on 07/01/24 at 21:57:43

Hearafter -- that is a good way of handling that situation. Good thinking!

CAJAmes -- If you want to make up a warning label that fits your state's requirements, I used SmartSign to create the labels:

https://www.smartsign.com/fod/che/custom-ansi-chemical-labels

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/06/24 at 17:28:57

I'm familiar with the idea that changing rectifiers can change the "synergy" (best single word I can think of) of the other tubes in your amp. But I wasn't prepared for the way the STR basically turned my tube caddy upside down.

I thought I had settled on the default 805 tubes, but after a couple days was feeling vaguely dissatisfied. So I went back and listened to the 211s and then the 845s. And then I started rolling the other tubes in my (non-Decware) preamp, to which the STR is connected. And ended up in a very different place then where I started. So, for now I'm running the 845s (I'm guessing LinLai DG series) with very different preamp tubes than I started with.

And the sound is glorious. I was listening to a recording (Juilliard Quartet playing the Mozart Dissonance Quartet) that I vividly remember listening to with the STL 300B and thinking it was "beautiful, maybe too beautiful" because the sound was so rich but seemed like it was missing just a little bite that violins should have. And now I'm thinking it is "beautiful, maybe perfect." But we'll see where I am next week...or month. Regardless, the bottom line is I'm still overwhelmed by the improvement the STR has made in my system.


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Post by bloodlemons on 07/06/24 at 22:45:07

Very nice, CAJames! I'm glad to hear you're loving what the STR brings to your rig.

I also can't quite bring myself to quit with the tube rolling. A pair of Amperex 575-A mercury vapor tubes I found on eBay showed up today. My STL-supplied anode leads weren't quite long enough to accommodate the taller tubes, so I spent part of the morning repurposing an old mic cable to make longer leads. Turns out STL uses standard microphone wire, with each individual wire terminating together in a single twist, so I just unsoldered the shorter cables and resoldered the caps and plugs to slightly longer cable. Works a treat!

The 575-As sound really great, I think as good or better than my RCA 866As. I'll have to do some serious comparison listening some point soon, of course, right now I don't feel like I'm misisng anything. And (I think you'll agree) they look extremely cool:


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Post by CAJames on 07/06/24 at 22:55:47

Those tubes look awesome!


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Post by Hearafter on 07/06/24 at 23:38:38

Winner of Coolest looking tubes ever!  Amperex?  I think my Little STR would blow with those power tubes at 55W each.  Excellent find for you👍👍

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/06/24 at 23:54:09

:D

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/07/24 at 00:25:57

Well... That was short-lived. My STR's SDFB popped off and I smelled the magic smoke. Apparently I was flying too close to the sun with the 575-As...

I'm a little bummed but mostly mildly amused. I have always been "good" with gear and the STR just keeps leading me into ignorant mistakes.

So, looks like she's probably headed back to Al, unless I can figure out how to fix it myself... I'm not sure what I fried yet.

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Post by CAJames on 07/07/24 at 00:45:19

Ouch. Sorry for your loss.

Flying close to the sun can be brilliant, until it isn't.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/07/24 at 01:05:20

Lol, yeah. Al got back to me already, says he'll send me new transformers and I can either replace them myself or have it done locally.

SO... It turns out only the STR-1004 can handle the 575-A tubes. So, now I know.

Al says my STR-104 is shipping next week, so there shouldn't be much downtime in the big picture.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/07/24 at 02:06:35

OhhNooo…Sorry for the tough learning experience.  Good attitude!  Just tell Al to add a zero to your Str-104. ;D  Good luck with it all!

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Post by Crazy Bill the Eel Killer on 07/07/24 at 11:48:19

Hello bloodlemons,
Not wishing to hijack this thread, but I noticed Herbies dampers on your ZP3,
I'm thinking of using these on my ZP3, SE84CS, and my Woo Audio WES.
You happy with what they've done to your system?

Cheers,      Crazy Bill

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Post by Lon on 07/07/24 at 17:39:00

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Post by Tony on 07/07/24 at 17:39:10

BL, Sorry to read about your loss.

I have been following the exploits of members with STR, and you have been out there on the cutting edge. Here's to a quick recovery!

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/07/24 at 17:43:27

I took a look at the transformers this morning and only one is fried, so that's good. Found out I can still use one of the two sockets without tripping anything, so I took the inoperable socket out of the circuit with the handy switch and am currently rocking just the 866A pair through the double adapter. Things could be a lot worse!

If you look down toward the bottom of the transformer in this pic, you can see the melty goodness:



Replacement transformers are $80 from STL, so not the end of the world. And it looks like the kind of soldering I can handle on my own, which is nice. Just a little bump in the road, guys!

Crazy Bill -- I added the Herbie's dampers around the same time I made a lot of other isolation tweaks, so I can't say exactly if they are the root cause of any significant change in sound. However, I was using the typical rubber o-rings prior, and A/B-ing the o-rings with the Herbie's on  just the KT88s in my ZMA brought a noticeable and welcome improvement in lower-midrange clarity, resulting in increased high-end detail without adding any harshness; you hear the same highs that were always there, just not surrounded by mid-range murk. For obvious reasons, it was much easier for me to A/B the dampers on a single type of tube in that way than try the same for every tube in the system. All in all, things sound very good and I believe the Herbie's are contributing overall.

One more thing about the Herbie's: They were out of a couple of the sizes I wanted. Some of the dampers I was able to get looked like they would fit slightly larger tubes, so I gave that a shot and the answer is NO. I don't know why it makes so much difference, but the too-tight dampers immediately made things sound overly bright, brittle and generally unpleasant. Removing just those few dampers immediately restored the previous sound quality. I was impressed that just a slightly-too-tight piece of wire could make such a difference, but it was very apparent, as if I has swapped in a set of bad tubes. Sometjhing to keep in mind.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/07/24 at 19:51:47

Tony --

I am on the cutting edge of something alright... The edge of my limited knowledge! lol

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Post by Adamaley on 07/08/24 at 03:08:57

I'm new to this forum - my interest in the Super Tube Rectifier brought me here. Much thanks to Groovysauce for chasing the rabbit and bringing me/us along in the process.

I've recently placed an order for an STR-1002, and I'm here to keep my soul fed in the meantime. Thanks to all who are sharing tube matching experiences. Condolences to the casualties of war as well. Please keep it coming.

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Post by CAJames on 07/08/24 at 04:11:54


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Posted by: Adamaley      Posted on: Today at 19:08:57

...I've recently placed an order for an STR-1002, and I'm here to keep my soul fed in the meantime.


Welcome!

Tell us about your system and how you plan to use the STR.


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Post by Adamaley on 07/08/24 at 08:01:59

My system is digital, and as follows: Taiko Audio Extreme server --> Lampizator Pacific DAC --> Misho Myronov Wooden Preamp --> Wyetech Labs Ruby XR 300b Monoblock Amps --> Lii Audio F-15 speakers (temporary, while I build Altec VOTT 817 speakers). My system is fully battery powered and off the grid.

My goal is to use the STR-1002 with both my DAC (5U4G family rectifier) and preamp (EZ80/EZ81 rectifier). Albert will be building me an extra cable for EZ80/81 rectifier connection. Once I determine where the STR has the most impact between the DAC and preamp, that's where it shall remain. At that point, who knows, I might be tempted to purchase another STR.

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Post by Tony on 07/08/24 at 15:28:49


You have a nice-looking system you have there Adamaley.  The one thing I did not recognize at all was the Taiko Audio Extreme server, and after looking it up was duly impressed.  I look forward to hearing more about your thoughts and impressions of the STR. Welcome to the community.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/08/24 at 16:16:30

Welcome Adamley!

Al and I have been exchanging emails and we've come to the conclusion that he should upgrade my 1002 to an 1004 so I will stop breaking things. I'm going to wait until I get my imminent 104 and then send the 1002 back to merry olde Canadia. It's so funny to think that I didn't even know what an STR was three or four months ago. Now I don't know how anyone can live without one...

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/08/24 at 16:28:13

I suspect some of us are quickly building up an ungainly number of rectifier tubes. Would anyone be interested in a dedicated buy/sell/trade tubes thread?

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Post by Adamaley on 07/09/24 at 08:48:23

Thanks for the welcome guys.

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Post by duaneh on 07/09/24 at 16:13:24

I’m digital with a dac/streamer sans rectifier and based on the positives here, I’m considering a 104 super for my UFO25. I’m using a Sophia Electric 274b (version 1) at the moment. Looks like most are inserting the STR closer to the source. Haven’t read in the thread of someone using one more exclusively on an amp. Groovysauce—did you describe your experience at your brother’s and I missed it? Anyone care to comment?

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Post by CAJames on 07/09/24 at 16:29:38

IMO anywhere you put the STR is going to have a significant impact on your sound. I wouldn't hesitate to add it to your UFO25. But, my experience is the difference between 5V tubes (300B, various "heritage" 5V rectifiers but no mercury rectifiers) in the STR and my favorite rectifiers directly in my preamp is much less than the 10V transmitting triodes. But, again, that is my (non-Decware) preamp in my system so FWIW/YMMV and all that.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/09/24 at 17:00:45

Duaneh, My Str-104 is being used in my Torii Jr v2 with an excellent improvement in SQ.  I have not tryed it in my preamp due to my setup in my cabinet makes if very difficult if possible. Al does not recommend a longer cable.   My pre also has a separate heavy duty separate power supply that it may not make as much of a difference.  

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Post by Hearafter on 07/09/24 at 17:11:41

Adamaley, Welcome and I hope to hear about your success with the STR. You have put together an amazing system.🤯👍👍 My jaw is sore from hitting my ipad!

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Post by GroovySauce on 07/09/24 at 18:28:21

Bloodlemons, Love the labels!

As the KT170s are settling in I’ve changed my tube(s) in the STR yet again. I was first running the Linlai 211s then the Linlai 805s. I’ve not gone to a single Linlai 845-DG. I found this tube to be a little to clean and clinical when I was running two. I pulled one out and it’s sounding really good to my ears. It offers more density and holography than two. It still keeps the clear shimmering highs.

Before the Linlai 845-DG I ran 1 PSVANE 805A that shipped with the STR it was nice and holographic, it didn’t have the tightness and higher frequency extension that the Linlai 845-DG has. I’m going to try both the PSVANE 805A and Linlai 845-DG next time I turn on the system.

Bloodlemons, Those tubes look so cool! Bummer blowing up the transformer!

Adamaley, glad you finally got approved to post!


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It's so funny to think that I didn't even know what an STR was three or four months ago. Now I don't know how anyone can live without one…


It really has been a game changer for me too! It’s opened up so many possibilities and options for fine tuning the sound. More than just fine tuning the sound it’s giving a lot of X factor which is a tough one to convey.


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Groovysauce—did you describe your experience at your brother’s and I missed it? Anyone care to comment?


Yes, my brother has a 1003 and 104 hooked up to his amp. Unfortunately not really sure how things changed. It was delivered when I was over at his place assembling the GR-Research Bully speakers.

I agree with James, the STR will have a significant impact on the sound. There is a caveat, DACs and Preamps don’t pull much current. The 4 pin jumbo tubes are going to significantly drop the voltage. They  also only supply around 100ma of current each. The 104 with the 3b22s will supply 1+ amp of current so that’s no problem. 3b22 is also a rectifier with standard rectifier voltage drop so not much to consider. What I would be interested in is blending 1x 3b22 and 1x 300B, 2a3, 45 or other equivalent tube and see what that does.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/09/24 at 18:59:53

Groovysauce-  Blending the 300b with the 3b22 is one of my preferred combo’s.  Definitely worth a go.  My combo preference with my Str-104 in my Torii Jr so far has been 866a(2)/300b, 83/300b, 3b22(2)/300b. Two of the same tube preference has been 866a’s, 3b22’s, 83’s.  Jury still out on my pair of 3b28’s I need more listening time with them.  Just my take on my system so far.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 07/10/24 at 02:11:53

I am running my 1002 into the CSP3. I can't run it into the ZMA because the ZMA does not have tube rectification.

My 104 is on the way this week (photos sent by Al this morning below). Once I have that, I'll send my 1002 back to STL for the 1004 upgrade. Once I have that one back, I'll probably run the 1004 into the CSP3 and the 104 into my ZP3. For some reason, that makes the most sense to me, but we'll see where it all lands over the next month or two.

The promised pics:




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Post by CAJames on 07/11/24 at 03:05:02


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Yesterday at 18:11:53

My 104 is on the way this week (photos sent by Al this morning below).


Very nice. And I notice the stack of CDs is still there .

For me, I'm well over 150 hours on the 845 tubes and I think I've zeroed in on the right tubes for my (non-Decware) preamp, to which my 1002 is connected. I continue to be blown away by the amazing sound I'm getting. Can't live without it for sure!

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Post by GroovySauce on 07/13/24 at 20:39:13

I've been enjoying a single Linlai 845-DG in the 1002 powering the Lampizator TRP. I did try Linlai 845-DG and PSVANE 805A.

For me and my tastes the single 845-DG has a great balance of everything. I will try dual 845-DGs again. My memory says it was more clean and tight. The single offers a little more juicy density while maintaining clarity and extension.

Was at my brothers this morning. His Preamp is being powered by the 104-MK2 running Linlai E-2A3s. His amp is powered by the 1003 with 3B22s and Linlai E-845s. He still needs to get another 200 hours in before the latest components and tubes are all settled.

Flipping the choke on the 1003 would change the bias on the tubes from 60ma no choke to 40ma with choke. The sound changed significantly too.

Choke engaged got a bit more dreamy and lazy. No choke things tightened up and got more snappy. We both preferred no choke. He is going to get some time on the choke setting and see if with time it opens up more. On my 1002 I do think the choke opened up a bit with time.  I still prefer no choke.

Another observation is that when the choke is engaged the one of the 3B22 was glowing much brighter.

I'm really looking forward to getting my amp powered by 4x 845s! Before placing the order I'm going to try the 1003 vs. 1003 (with just 845s) and my 1002. My amp has two rectifiers in parallel so I can hook two STRs up to it.


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I'll send my 1002 back to STL for the 1004 upgrade.


You enjoy the 575s that much? That's a significant cost increase!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/13/24 at 21:28:03


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 12:39:13

...Choke engaged got a bit more dreamy and lazy. No choke things tightened up and got more snappy. We both preferred no choke...


I listened with the choke on a little, and didn't like it. To me, is sounded kinda like turning on reverb. I'm not inclined to ever turn it on again, but JMO/YMMV and all that.

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Post by will on 07/14/24 at 00:10:09

Groovy. A different setting for sure, using 6SN7s to 300Bs, to 845s as power in my amp... and you can hear notable changes with any, input, driver, power as usual... Also I have done some clarifying in this amp, making it more fast, resolving and neutral, so it does show a lot of a tube.

Anyway, to me the Linlai 845-DGs took a long time to burn in. They sounded more rigid for quite a while but pretty good being so spacious and resolving, especially once the bass refined. Sorry I stopped tracking hours, but guessing closer to 200 or more, than 150. And then they really started to get resolving with lots of open space, and complex detail/harmonic information very present, but still smooth in their clarity. Not getting any sense of rolloff or truncation, while not being too bright for me... These tubes here show the difference in how very resolving and clear is not necessarily "bright." For me, bright tends to be hard and unfriendly, whereas, very complex fine detail and space can be super revealing, while softening edges some because complexity is so well resolved.

The 845TAs here took even longer, not surprising, the black carbon sprayed ones notorious for long burnin in general I think... but guessing more like 250-300 to start to get in there. These were more difficult for me here because for much of the burnin they were a little dark and sluggish for me, but finally they came out nicely, enough resolution and space to make their warmth sweet with the right company.

Linlai 845-WEs here, similar time as DGs I guess, and sounding clear and resolving, somewhere in between the other two... biggish, solid and open, with a warm and smooth patina that is not thick, and a little rounder detail compared to DGs... less emphasis on very fine stuff so far anyway. Whereas the DGs with clean company, gains right, seem so unaffectedly spacious it is like there is no tube here. At least at this point... guessing the WE may end up closer in open detail, not having as much time as my DGs

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Post by Hearafter on 07/14/24 at 00:41:58

GrooveySauce and CAJames-  Thanks for validating my choice on not getting the choke upgrade.  Once again Al steered me right👍. I just love the way my little Str-104 sounds and has improved the SQ.  Really like the fact I don’t have to buy the big tube pairs and can use tubes I already owned. Great flexibly between my amp and preamp rectifier tubes. No regrets with the Str-104 “Today” [smiley=50.gif]

Bloodlemons-Wow a Str-1004 you are going in “Deep” enjoy it!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 07/14/24 at 15:13:04

Re: the 1002 to 1004 upgrade:

It's not so much about any one set of tubes. I just don't want to be limited. If I'd understood more about how the STRs work when I was first seriously interested, I probably would have talked myself into the 1004, as my preference is to just pay the money and get it done when possible, avoiding future hemmong-and-hawing and shipping things back and forth all over the place. Between the incoming 104 and the imminent 1004, I should be able to run pretty much anything, which is ideal for components I intend to hold on to.

FWIW, I find myself using the choke much more often than not. I agree that it seemed potentially gimmicky at first, but it really does open up after enough hours and I wouldn't want to be without it now.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/14/24 at 16:00:02


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 07:13:04

FWIW, I find myself using the choke much more often than not. I agree that it seemed potentially gimmicky at first, but it really does open up after enough hours and I wouldn't want to be without it now.


Interesting. I guess I'll put some hours on it and give it another try.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 07/14/24 at 19:54:38

I recalled last night the reason I stopped playing the 845-DGs is because I coated them with the Audio Magic Blackout Paint. When the tubes got hot there was an unpleasant odor. Now, one has ~130 hours and the other 90. They are sounding really good. The odor is also just about gone, I’m guessing these will stay in for a long time without any tube rolling…. or should I say twisting as they twist to lock in.

I didn’t find the “TA” family to be dark in my system I can see how that would be a good description with them.

I haven’t had much time with the system the last 2 months or so, so I haven’t racked up as much time on the tubes as I would have liked. The Jumbo tubes do take a long time to settle.

I hear you on all the options going to the 1004.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 07/14/24 at 20:18:47

GS. The TAs were resolving here, but definitely, by comparison, leaning "warm," for which dark is clearly a part, though I can see how they might play differently depending on all else.

I wonder if you logged the difference between the DGs unpainted compared to painted other than smell.


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Post by HockessinKid on 07/14/24 at 20:21:38

Many thanks for sharing listening observations on tubes for the STL-STR's everyone. In addition to the stock Crossar 805B tubes, looks like the Linlai 845-DG's will be a solid 1st tube roll.

My Timber Nation rack is 13-15 weeks out, so I'll plan the Super STR-1002 order accordingly. Cheers everyone this looks so promising.

HK

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Post by GroovySauce on 07/14/24 at 20:23:25

They had basically no hours on them. I put the coating on to block the light, which didn't work very well. I'm using two pieces of charge pipe to block the light now.

I enjoy the TAs. I do want to get more time on the 211s and 805s too. Tube burnin is a real bummer.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 07/14/24 at 20:27:40

Thanks, I agree... especially big power tubes, burnin is a buzz kill.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 07/14/24 at 21:34:08

GS,

One reason I asked about the paint is that I tried it years ago on a tube, a Russian rectifier... can't recall the numbers, but some saying it was a GZ34/5AR4 replacement that sounded more like a GZ32 replacement to me. I can't find it now, but I recall it not being an improvement to me whatever it did...enough so, I did not pursue more experiments at the time and forgot about it, so not a complete test. I may have gently scratched the paint off. Can't remember details, but why I was hoping you had logged what happened sonically, especially that being a lot of paint on a lot of tube. Sorry for being so vague, but it makes me wonder how close your DGs, painted pretty new, are to DGs without paint?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 07/14/24 at 22:12:55

Has anyone tried some NOS 805s in comparison to the current production variants? I have RCA 805s and Amperex 805s. I'm excited to see how they sing and maybe mix them with some new blood.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/14/24 at 22:17:15


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Posted by: Adamaley      Posted on: Today at 14:12:55

Has anyone tried some NOS 805s in comparison to the current production variants? I have RCA 805s and Amperex 805s...


Unless I missed it, and I'm pretty sure I didn't, no one has NOS 805s in their STR. I'm looking forward to your review. I have considered NOS 211s, but so far have resisted the temptation.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/15/24 at 17:07:08

Uh-Oh! Just bought a used pair of Elrog 845s!



Stuff is about to get real.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 07/15/24 at 17:15:28

Aren't they pretty!

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Post by CAJames on 07/15/24 at 17:40:47

Aber ja!

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Post by Adamaley on 07/15/24 at 18:15:21

Elrog tubes always look beautiful

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Post by Kamran on 07/15/24 at 20:05:53

Wow, nice catch there - James!

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Post by Hearafter on 07/15/24 at 21:09:37

May they sound even better than they look!🤩

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by duaneh on 07/15/24 at 21:39:40

Does using an STR impact the Decware warranty?

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Post by Tony on 07/16/24 at 00:52:21

Hey, duaneh, that's a good question. I would guess that, yes, it does. Perhaps someone has had a chance to run it by Steve to get his position. I have to call Decware this week, so if no one knows one way or the other, I'll ask Sarah. If she does not know, I'll see if I can ask Steve.

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Post by CAJames on 07/16/24 at 01:48:25

FWIW the wording of the warranty is:


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[The warranty] covers any defects materials or workmanship and
includes both parts and labor. Shipping is not covered. Damage to the amplifier from
improper use, incorrect fuse size, shorted tubes or the wrong tubes will not be
covered.


So the way I read it is if your amp fails because something goes wrong with your STR you aren't covered, just as you wouldn't be covered if something goes wrong with your conventional rectifier, or other tubes. If you are using the STR and the amp fails for an unrelated reason then you are covered. But, as a practical matter it is hard for me to imagine a rectifier related failure, STR or conventional, that does anything more than blow a fuse, or two. But JMO/FWIW and all that. I’m not using mine in a Decware amp.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 07/16/24 at 03:30:33

Tony- Thanks for checking with Decware for us on warranty coverage.

CAJames- “Not using it in a Decware amp” …🤔Good idea.

You know that’s a small price one might have to pay for the results an STR provides.  🤩

So far so good🤞

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/17/24 at 19:26:42

The Elrogs have landed!



The tubes are several years old, so well broken in but have been in the box for months. They've been playing for about 30 minutes and are clearly better than the Chinese tubes: bigger, more detailed sound and even more dynamics and rock solid bass. At some point I may adjust the other tubes, but for sure the best sound yet. I would probably be less happy if I payed full retail for new tubes, but these were reasonable compared to e.g. TOTL Chinese 10V triodes.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/17/24 at 21:53:02

They look cool! Thanks for posting your thoughts.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/17/24 at 22:35:41

I am glad my STR doesn’t take those tubes.  They better sound better than the Chinese choices at $2400 pr new..yikes! 🤯 Enjoy them👍

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/17/24 at 22:51:07

I quickly decided to swap out the warmer, more forgiving input tubes that worked best with the Chinese 10V triodes and put in the more resolving, dynamic input tubes that tend to be my favorite when everything else is right. (This is in my Woo Audio WA22, to which the STR is attached).

And it was another OHMYGAWD moment.

I'm struggling to find the words to describe the sound now, the best I can to is "refined and energized." It is like all the audiophile traits: the detail, the soundstage, the dynamics that were all there before just fit together so much better now, and it a way that makes the sound much more than the sum of the audiophile parts. Everything just seems so (much more) real. For whatever reason I listened to a bunch of vocal music, from Astrud Gilberto and Leontyne Price to Muddy Waters and Mark Lanegan and everything in between, it is just spooky how alive each singer sounds. And how real the backing musicians sound. And how big the space in which they are playing sounds.

I'm reflecting on my experience with 300B tubes, inexpensive Chinese that sounded really good and expensive Takatsuki that sounded better, in ways that were small but important. At that time I felt like the Taks were worth the money, for the same reason that my UFO25s are worth the premium over my UFOs. The budget 300Bs and the plain UFOs were great, but once I heard what was possible with the upgrades I wouldn't want to be without it, even though in absolute terms the differences were pretty modest. I feel like the Elrog 845s are a bigger upgrade than either the Taks or the UFO25s, and now that I know what is possible I wouldn't want to be without them either. Even if it meant buying a new pair.

 

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Post by CAJames on 07/17/24 at 22:57:40


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sted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 14:35:41

... at $2400 pr new..yikes!


Not sure where you got that, but more like $1600. Which is still a lot, but same ballpark as TOTL 300B tubes.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/17/24 at 23:41:56

CAjames - just a quick search that came up with this seller.  Sounds like a “Top Fishing” seller…above my tube PP.


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Post by CAJames on 07/18/24 at 00:16:34

Yeah, and/or an old webpage. Now you buy them directly from Elrog.

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Post by Kamran on 07/18/24 at 01:53:05

James, you’re really testing my self-control.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/18/24 at 03:44:49

Kamran, I feel like this is some of the best audio money I've ever spent. It is significant money, but it is considerably less than I spent to upgrade my digital front end after I got my UFOs (because the old one wasn't good enough), or to upgrade from UFOs to UFO25s and the results are at least as dramatic as either of those upgrades.

Hope that helps .

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/18/24 at 03:47:04

CAJames --

Kindly compare the percentage of SQ jump between no-STR to with-STR, and then with-STR to STR + Elrogs.

Only math can save us now. The rest of us, I mean. You're already all-in!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/18/24 at 04:22:54


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 19:47:04

...Only math can save us now.


Ouch, that really hits me where I live.

OK, let me start with this. I was the guy who infamously said as my STR was in the mail that my system sounded so good already I wasn't sure it could improve it. But clearly it did.

AL says the STR can improve the sound 50-200%. I'll say the best sound I was getting +STR was 75% better than the best pre-STR or 125% better than per-STR without the perfect conventional rectifier. In other words, replacing the "perfect" conventional rectifier with the STR was a bigger improvement than finding the perfect conventional rectifier. You can compare that to your experience rolling rectifiers, but note that this is in a Woo Audio WA22.

Adding the Elrogs was a more subtle change, but concentrated the magic, so the improvement was smaller but important. +STR to STR+Elrog was another 50%.

For comparison I would say going from UFOs to UFO25s was a 33-50% increase.

Hope this helps

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/18/24 at 04:29:39

It does help. I've been, uh... reading. About Elrogs. Everything I read is very complimentary. Kind of like when I first started reading about the STR and all of the reviews were in weird corners of the internet but they were all enthusiastically positive...

It's a slippery slope.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/18/24 at 04:35:22

Slippery slope indeed. I first learned about them when I was shopping for 300B tubes. A lot of folks, who have more 300B tubes than I have socks, say Elrog runs up the score on WE and Takatsuki. For me personally the Elrog sound profile didn't fit what I was looking for so I went with Tak and had no regrets. But the 845s certainly have the "Elrog house sound" which is big, detailed and dynamic with liquidity more than warmth.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/18/24 at 16:27:52

I was checking tube options on the STL site and saw that Al added a warning not to use 575A tubes with the 1002. That's because of me. I'm famous!

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/18/24 at 19:25:25

AAAAND I just ordered a pair of 845s from Elrog. Should be here in two weeks or so.

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Post by CAJames on 07/18/24 at 21:48:47

Dude!

Hope you like them as much as I do. FWIW I've been like a kid in a candy store today relistening to a bunch of favorite recordings and I totally stand by my reaction from yesterday. Also FWIW my Elrogs are vintage 2017 and have a bunch of hours on them already so breakin isn't an issue for me.

I also saw the note about 575 tubes on the STL website a couple days ago. Meant to post something but got distracted by the Elrogs.

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Post by Tony on 07/19/24 at 00:28:30


I talked with Steve today, and in general, his answer to the question of "STR impact on the Decware warranty," was very close to what James opined:

"... if your amp fails because something goes wrong with your STR you aren't covered, just as you wouldn't be covered if something goes wrong with your conventional rectifier, or other tubes. If you are using the STR and the amp fails for an unrelated reason, then you are covered."

Steve said the situation would not be binary; the issue was more gray than black or white, and he would handle each case individually. He added that he felt sure he could determine fault—STR or something else through investigation.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/19/24 at 00:47:35



This is ridiculous.

My STR-104 showed up today, a day early even. I need to send the 1002 back to Al to be retrofit into a 1004, but of course I couldn't resist trying them together, even with the 1002 hobbled by only being able to use one transformer/socket at the moment. Luckily, I have the 845-to-866A dual adapter, so I'm running four rectifiers at least.

Right now, I have the 1002/RCA 866A pair running into the CSP3, and the 104/Sophia Aqua II 274B pair running into the ZP3. Sounds good, man.

It's exactly what you would expect. More of everything. No tonal shift. Just MORE. Bigger, wider, deeper, more detail, texture, spatial definition. I'm running both STRs with the choke on, which didn't seem right at first because there's a volume drop that comes with it, but swapping some tubes around and bumping up the volume on the CSP3 a notch put it all in the right place. A very nice place.

I'm a little bummed that I won't have two-STR combo on tap for the next few weeks, but it's always good to have something to look forward to. Using the 1004 nee 1002 with a pair of nice, larger tubes should be really something.

Some people spend more than the cost of an STR on a single cable, man.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/19/24 at 01:12:54

Tony- Many Thanks! For asking Steve regarding the warranty using a STR.  

Well guys had my first Mercury vapor tube failure.  One of my RCA 866A tubes upon turning on the amp power switch had a bright flash, tripped my power conditioner off and blew a low value fuse on my ground zero at the wall plug.  No component fuses blew or the SDFB did not trip.  The tube itself had black covering the silver canister plate and when I went to remove it from the STR (from the base) the glass separated from the base completely exposing the vapor it appears.  Ughhh…held my breath, opened all windows, left the room vacant,  sealed tube in plastic bag to dispose of.  Obviously you want to avoid these occurrences but single one off low dose exposures are low risk and still need to be avoided.  Repeated regular exposure is the major risk to health.  Is it time to wear a respirator upon powering up?  🤞😷

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Post by CAJames on 07/19/24 at 02:06:29


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 17:12:54

Well guys had my first Mercury vapor tube failure...


Dang. Glad it wasn't any worse. But also a good reminder that the mercury vapor tubes shouldn't be taken for granted.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/19/24 at 02:12:07

Well, that's concerning. A good lesson to the rest of us to handle any apparently-blown MV tubes with care on removal.

Thousands (millions?) of MV tubes lasted for years in continuous use and I haven't seen a lot of stories of radio engineers, etc., dying young from mercury poisoning. Plus, I dropped a mercury thermometer when I was a kid and definitely played with the fun silver balls for longer than I should have. I dunno.

It occurs to me that the cautious among us might apply electrical tape along the seal between the tube and base, as an extra safeguard. I love the MV, maybe too much, but I also want it to be as safe as possible. Just spitballing here.

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Post by CAJames on 07/19/24 at 02:21:04


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Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 18:12:07

...Thousands (millions?) of MV tubes lasted for years in continuous use and I haven't seen a lot of stories of radio engineers, etc., dying young from mercury poisoning.


True. But when they were used in radio transmitters they weren't 80 years old either, and all the engineers smoked. Just sayin.

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Post by Hearafter on 07/19/24 at 03:02:22

Not sure if it was a seal failure or an internal tube failure that caused the seal failure. 🤔  80 year old adhesives under high heat a challenge …I  am thinking check bases frequently, re-glue base to hold and hopefully keep a tight seal.  I don’t think tape will handle the heat or keep a seal. I have glued several other tube types with success as bases were discovered loose

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Post by CAJames on 07/19/24 at 04:19:26


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 19:02:22

...I  am thinking check bases frequently, re-glue base to hold and hopefully keep a tight seal.  I don’t think tape will handle the heat or keep a seal.


Agree glue rather than tape.

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Post by will on 07/19/24 at 04:51:15

I am with you on good glue.

But also, old adages that minimize/rationalize exposure to truly toxic things are a strange cultural pattern to me, especially in this day and time when toxicity is more and more all around us, physically, emotionally, spiritually.

Thinking of those old stories of people living long lives in certain special places on earth while drinking a daily vodka and smoking a little at a hundred... you know the stories. Then I consider auto-immune diseases being epidemic, and various versions of "the spectrum" more and more widespread in kids, not by a little, but by a lot.

My wife was one of the healthiest seeming and living people any of our friends and family knew. She had eaten extraordinarily healthfully since the early 70s, from the early eighties on, mostly organic food and clean water; carefully avoided unhealthy places and things; ran, or later walked most days since the early 70s; lived in wild nature and clean environments without many petrochemical things like foam, plastic fabrics, insulation, rugs, etc most of her life... meditated most days for the last 40 years, Tai Chi, Qi Gong, good body balancing care from others... did creative work she loved, and more...

In about a year she went from that person everyone thought would outlive us all, to passing from her body at a little less than 74.

My main thought being... there probably was a time where many of us could stand up to a little toxicity now and then. But in this world now, it is coming from so many angles, we never know when our immune system will become overwhelmed, hyper reactive and lose it. Not trying to be a buzz kill, but implying being thoughtful and careful is becoming more and more important to me.

Something to consider anyway.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/19/24 at 05:21:15

My wife died last year at 40, cancer, never smoked a cigarette.

Life is a tossup.

I do agree that glue is a good idea. I have some Gorilla epoxy that would probably be a good candidate. Thanks for the idea, guys!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 07/19/24 at 06:10:26

So sorry, I know that is rough. My wife was my best friend and we lived and worked together for almost 45 years... lots to lose. I hope you are recovering well... pretty crazy stuff.

I tried a lot of different glues over years, mostly epoxy and super glues, and they did not tend to hold up, though some might. Thinking of gorilla epoxy, maybe, but epoxy may be in general too brittle for the hot and cold/expansion and contraction of different materials we are trying to glue together with tubes. Weldbond holds well so far for me... I think I got onto it from Steve, but can't recall for sure.

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Post by bloodlemons on 07/19/24 at 06:40:39

Thank you, Will. My wife was my best friend too. A lot of people don't seem to understand that that is what marriage should really be.

I'll look into Wellbond. Or at least into something that's heat resistant. Although, most of my rectifiers don't really get all that hot.

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Post by Lon on 07/19/24 at 10:01:01

I empathize with you and Will. . . I too lost my wife, my best friend, nearly 17 years ago, to cancer, and I am lucky that I found another best friend to wed 8 years ago.

I am always reminded of these lines from "Thumbellna" by Chrissie Hynde:

What's important
In this life
Ask the man
Who's lost his wife

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 07/19/24 at 15:50:13

Bloodlemons-  So sorry you had go through the loss of your best friend. I feel extremely fortunate my best friend is a breast cancer survivor and I cherish everyday with her. “Every day is a good day” is our motto!
Lon- Well said👍

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 07/19/24 at 18:35:55

Thanks everyone. I didn't mean to stir up a big pot of feelings! I am in the very fortunate position of having a respectable number of close friends, as well as two great dogs. I am also dating a woman -- a breast cancer survivor -- and that relationship is going pretty well lately. We're not exactly  at "best friends" status yet, but those of you who know know that you can't force that or take it for granted. It's either there or it's not.

So, as long as I don't kill us all with mercury vapor, I am grateful for those I have in my life. As well as all of you. Have an excellent weekend!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 07/20/24 at 06:35:48

May music forever be a salve for life's bruises.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 07/30/24 at 03:18:11

Ok Guys life has not been so rosey with my STR-104 these past 2 weeks. I am absolutely exhausted trouble shooting issues with Al on email. Finally determined that the STR is blowing the Torii Jr. rectifier pin 6 fuse whenever the front STR socket has a tube.  This makes for only a half wave rectifier which sounds fine but  it’s concerning.   Amp doesn’t blow any fuses when a regular rectifier tube is used.
I can't count the number of emails.  Very inefficient method, he accuses or assumes you did something wrong, jumps to conclusions without facts all trying to deflect the issue to something/someone else.  Kept trying to determine the amp is the issue.  I exchanged a few emails with Steve to help validate the amp was fine.  
Additionally, the power switch LED light developed an intermittent issue where the light would go off and on while power was on.  Then the tube sockets became very loose and one pulled apart at the base from the mounting ring. Al suggested I buy replacement parts off Amazon and sent links.  This requires multiple solder connections fairly complex.   I am not an amp builder.
End result is I sent the STR to Al  today to repair or replace all the issues.  It’s $80 shipping each direction to Canada. 🤞Hope it doesn’t come back with fuse blowing tendencies and no one else has issues with your STR’s.
I was seriously thinking of buying a Space Tech Lab DAC but this experience gives me concern if something should go wrong and needs support.
This is not intended to bash Al or his products but to just share one customer’s experience.  I really like Al, he has such a big heart and really tries to be of assistance the way “he” knows best.  His product is remarkable and I don’t want to live without it.  It’s just been a pain when issues come up.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 07/30/24 at 12:50:24

Hearafter Oh no! what a bummer! Hopefully Al can figure it out and get everything back into working order.

Ugh, now I’m curious about the elrog tubes! I’ve had a pair of the TOTL Linlai 845s less than 50 hours. I want to try the PSVANE TOTL 845 too. I really hope these tubes last as a long long time with the price tags on them. Running in a DAC or preamp really shouldn’t stress them much at all.

I’ve got 150+ hours on the Linlai 845-DG now. I’m confident I’ve going to keep them in for the time being.

For those asking what the STR does, what it is. The STR is a tube adapter. That’s it. Adapts tubes to use as rectifiers. For maximum flexibility it uses it’s own power supply for the heater of the adapted tube. I have a hunch that the dedicated adapter power supply also contributes to the increase in fidelity.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 07/30/24 at 15:07:53


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Yesterday at 19:18:11

Ok Guys life has not been so rosey with my STR-104 these past 2 weeks. I am absolutely exhausted trouble shooting issues with Al on email...


Sorry to hear that. I can totally imagine debugging a problem with Al going sideways. The mad-scientist thing cuts both ways. Hopefully once he has his hands on it he can get it fixed.


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 04:50:24

Ugh, now I’m curious about the elrog tubes!


Well, I'm VERY happy with mine . I have many, many tubes for my (non-Decware) preamp, to which the STR is connected, and I've cycled through a lot of them since I got my Elrogs. Some sound really really good, others less so, but I've settled on a set and I'm still kinda amazed how good everything sounds. Other than possibly getting NOS 211s at some point I'm pretty sure I'm done with tubes for the STR.


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For those asking what the STR does, what it is. The STR is a tube adapter. That’s it. Adapts tubes to use as rectifiers.


Yes, it adapts triodes to diodes (similar to what the SET Decware amps do adapting pentodes to triodes). And while the external power supply is certainly a factor, to me, the difference in tubes is a much bigger factor. Which raises (again) the metaphysical question about how rectifiers affect the sound so much, even though they never see the music signal in your amp. And I have no answer for that, just as I have no answer for why in general some tubes sound so much better than others, even if they measure the same.






Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 07/30/24 at 20:37:15


Hello Hereafter,

Sorry to hear of challenges with the STR-104.  Here's to having life become rosy again soon! Keep us in the loop as things develop.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 07/30/24 at 23:03:30

Hearafter -- Sorry to hear about your STR issues. Al definitely has a very specific way of communicating. Also, I think sometimes he assumes his customers have more electronics knowledge and savvy than some of us (me) actually possess. That being said, I enjoy the back-and-forth with him and it's been a real learning experience in general.

My 1002 is finally back in Canada for the 1004 conversion. There was some drama with UPS and Canadian customs, but we managed to get it sorted out. The takeaway is that if you're sending something back to STL, the declared value is somewhere between $10 USD and NO COMMERCIAL VALUE. Lol. None of that is on Al, though. He told me how to declare the value, but I made the mistake of insuring the unit against loss (which still makes sense to me) and customs took that as commercial value. I had to draft up a revised declaration of value and send it to customs, which seems to have worked. Live and learn.

Currently running a pair of 866s in my 104. Initially, I thought it sounded different than running the same tubes into one socket of the 1002 via adapter. Things seem to have settled in. As you all know, everything adds up, and replacing one component with another component is no small thing, even if built by the same manufacturer and designed for the same purpose.

I ordered a pair of Elrog ER845s and they came a few days ago. I won't be able to check them out until I get the soon-to-be 1004 back from Al.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 07/30/24 at 23:19:56

Bloodlemons- How would you say the STR 104 compares in Sound Quality to the STR 1002?  Do you notice  much of a difference?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 07/31/24 at 06:50:17

Hearafter --

It is hard to quantify because we are dealing with a different number of tubes, or circuits if you count the dead socket of my own doing.

I can tell you that after a little time the sound is back to amazing again. As usual, my test is my girlfriend's ears, which listen with no bias. She says it sounds great, and her body moves a little with the music. Works for me.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 08/01/24 at 17:07:22

Bloodlemons-  Nice now we know your real motivation for all your systems upgrades and tweaks💃🤣

With the addition of Mainstream and the EVS Speaker Music Purifiers I am not really missing much with  my STR 104 being sent off to Al for repair. That’s using a ‘50’s Sylvania 5U4GB USN tall straight bottle.  Surprisingly nice sounding inexpensive rectifier that I prefer to the pricey Phillips 5R4GYS everyone raves about.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 08/01/24 at 17:14:56


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Posted by: Hearafter      Posted on: Today at 09:07:22

...I am not really missing much with  my STR 104 being sent off to Al for repair. That’s using a ‘50’s Sylvania 5U4GB USN tall straight bottle.  Surprisingly nice sounding inexpensive rectifier that I prefer to the pricey Phillips 5R4GYS everyone raves about.


Rectifiers are funny like that. Pre-STR the two best sounding rectifiers out of well over a dozen options in my (non-Decware) preamp were a high dollar GEC U52 and a JAN RCA 5Z3 of unknown provenance that I got used for 10 bucks. If anything the RCA had the edge. Rectifiers are like a box of chocolates...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by MikeinMontana on 08/02/24 at 17:48:54

Hi James. I have a few rectifiers and am currently using a very NICE Zenith labeled 5u4g tube. I am a Zenith nut. We currently own a Zenith antique 1940 radio. LOVE IT!)  and grew up with a Zenith tv,  a zenith record player, along with a zenith tube radio. Lots of memories and good luck with their stuff back then.  I also have that 1953 NOS RCA 5u4g that is also my favorite of the few rectifiers I have. I was told that the Zenith was probably an RCA.rebranded. Just curious if you know..or anyone. I am also test driving a 1974 Reflektor silver shield 6n23p input tube. Got that one on a very reasonable price. Very NICE so far. Our Zen is still working beautifully and almost ever evening too. Thanks! MIke  

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 08/02/24 at 18:11:55

Hey Mike,

There are two things I know for sure: Zenith did not make its own tubes, and RCA made more tubes than anyone else, and by a good margin. So odds are the Zenith is a rebranded RCA, but tube taxonomy isn't really my thing so I can't give you a good answer. The important thing is you are liking what you're hearing, and your tubes and UFO should make beautiful music together for years to come.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 08/02/24 at 18:14:06

Thought I would throw my 2 cents in here but James probably knows better.
Your rectifier looks more like a Westinghouse see link.  It’s hard to tell with the fuzzy pic.  Compare the plate construction and internal build.  The top is rectangular with rounded edges.  ST bottle RCA and Sylvanis’s that I have seen use round tops. Tung sol rectangular tops have square edges that I have seen.  its a crap shoot to say the least.  The 74 Refectors silver sheild with single wire getter are fabulous.  I have found the year doesn’t matter as long as they have that single wire getter support.  I have ‘73 and 75 ones that sound just as good.  They only made those single wire ones a few years.  The  Voskhod Rockets with single wire same years perform the same or really close.  Just my take.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266925853219?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=JEB4NT-fRaq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=2lFcSwP8SgS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 08/02/24 at 22:49:21

I have been reorganizing the house so did not look at all my rectifiers, but I found a bunch of RCA 5U4G-STs and some cool straight bottles with the same internals (no bottom mica and really nice tubes)... I think all are late 50s, and they all have top micas like the one you pictured Mike. But these also all have top/side rectangular getters, and I can't tell from your pic for sure, but not seeing a flash on top, guessing your "Zenith" has a bottom getter(s).

I could not find my newer (I think 60s) RCAs, but did find some Raytheons with this top mica shape also, and they have bottom rectangular getters... thinking these may have been made in the mid to late 60's, but a long time ago, so not sure I can trust my memory.

I have not used 5U4G-STs in a really long time, but as I recall, the sound changed pretty noticeably with seemingly minor structure changes, some with thicker plates and some lighter, the thicker ones darker and fuller, in my case, less to my liking. Also, the straight bottle ones with the same internals as far as I can tell, also from the late 50s, were my favs in many tubes sets during my 5U4G days. As I recall, a little more open, fast and dynamic.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/02/24 at 22:59:34

I have a couple of early RCA 5R4GY, same construction, and they sound entirely different.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 08/02/24 at 23:41:42

Yes,  Could be Raytheon.  They made many very nice tubes. Raytheon made tube for other manufactures and they have same rectangular top mica.  Compare yours to these.  Both are Raytheon one is branded Admiral in yellow lettering as well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285990101619?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=I0c6ARnxTP-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=2lFcSwP8SgS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/04/24 at 20:06:53



The newly-upgraded 1004 is burning in and will be on its way to me this week...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 08/05/24 at 04:20:36

Looks good! Can’t wait for the Elrog - 575 shoot out.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/05/24 at 16:48:53

CAJames -- That will be fun!

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Post by Adamaley on 08/08/24 at 20:15:04

Anyone interested in this set of 845s that just got posted for sale?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/tL5zjuJYZRncpo1Q/?mibextid=oFDknk

Knock yourselves out

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Post by Hearafter on 08/09/24 at 19:05:34

Ok finally sent my defective STR-104 into Al to fix after no progress could be made over email. Just wanted to share my frustrating experience for anyone interested in buying from Space Tech Labs so you know what you are getting in to. Love Al and he does stand behind his products.  It can be a challenge to work with Al if something goes wrongl…my experience below:
Space-Tech Lab components are an intriguing and the Super Rectifier (STR) was an amazing improvement but beware if something goes wrong it is a PITA as I am going through now.  It is really a leap of faith. Al is great and stands behind his products but it is a test in patience to trouble shoot haphazardly with Al through countless emails.  Additionally, you have to pay for shipping both ways to Canada no matter what goes wrong.  To return it’s 20% restocking fee plus shipping both ways.  Lastly he only takes Zelle or bank transfer so you really have no recourse.  I am not trying to bash Al as he is repairing my Super Rectifier which has a defective on/off switch, 2 defective sockets pulling apart at the base and it is costing me $160 in shipping.  Just be aware.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/14/24 at 04:59:31

Well... Now we're cooking with gas!


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Post by CAJames on 08/14/24 at 05:19:02

Holy @&$${!!

I both love and fear that.

We’re going out of town and off the grid for a couple weeks. Looking forward to getting caught up you guys when I get back.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/14/24 at 08:28:54

Oh... It gets worse!



Have a great trip!

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Post by Hearafter on 08/14/24 at 18:11:07

🤯I hope you don’t blow a Sluggo!🤣

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/14/24 at 21:09:34

;D

All of my components are outfitted with Graphene Sluggos now. If I blow one of those, I might have to seriously rethink my system power requirements...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/15/24 at 05:16:03

You haven't delved much into the big bottles until these Elrogs. How do they stack up?

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Post by bloodlemons on 08/15/24 at 06:03:10

They are good, but I like the mercs more. Granted, my Elrogs are brand new. Between the dual STRs and the Graphene Sluggos all baking in right now, that's a lot of change all at once. And the Mainstream. Woof. Probably too much. Once I feel like the Graphenes are settled in I'll cook the Elrogs for a while and make a decision. The journey is the destination, yada yada...

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Post by Adamaley on 08/15/24 at 06:40:35

That makes sense. It'll take some time for everything to settle in before you can parse what each brings to the party.

I'm looking to avoid the mercury vapor tubes due to a little one. Has anyone tried the 1616 tube that can share their thoughts on it?

My STR arrives next week so I'm doing my tube homework.

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Post by bloodlemons on 08/15/24 at 06:52:12

I have some mid-size Xenon glass I'd be happy to let you try out if you are interested.

FWIW, I would not have the merc around if I had kids. No no no no no. It's not an acceptable risk.

EDIT: I just checked out 1616s. Those seem pretty cool. I'm curious, as always.

Have you considered the venerable 596?

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Post by Adamaley on 08/15/24 at 08:08:56

Are you referring to the USAF 596? I used one in my DAC years ago but ended up selling it. It had a bit of a narrow soundstage. With regards to that family of rectifiers, I find that the lower voltage variants sound significantly better. Of course, you'll need an adapter with resistors in place. My current favorite is a Valvo G2504, which I'm excited to try out in the STR.

Thanks for your generous offer to spare some tubes for me to try out. I'll probably take you up on that, and hopefully have some to send in your direction.

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Post by bloodlemons on 08/15/24 at 09:34:45

I've had good luck with Valvo branded stuff. Nice.

Definitely message me if you want to do some tube trading!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/15/24 at 21:19:16

After some very fun, all-mercury, test-driving last night, I decided to revisit some of my "reference" audio to see how everything was really sitting in the  mix. I was disappointed (but maybe not surprised) to learn that I was sacrificing a ton of detail for the BIG SOUND EXPERIENCE I was having so much fun with.

After a prolonged period of swapping things in and out, not really getting anywhere with that, I effectively re-set back to my defaults this morning by taking the STR-104 out of the equation and just putting an Aqua II into the ZP3 for a while. I also took the Snubway and Mainstream out, to minimize the number of unknown factors.

After all of the subtraction, it was fairly easy to get back to an approximation of the sound in my head. Essentially, I was getting way too much big-and-gooey-and-sexy from the overabundance of mercury; too much of a good thing. Committing to the Elrog ER845 pair in the STR-1004 and just a single pair of 866As in the STR-104 is giving me the added heft I was expecting without drowning out all of that crucial midrange detail.

My reference songs sound "right" again, and I can recommence making smaller tweaks without losing the trees for the forest, hopefully.

I'm putting the Snubway and Mainstream back in next. I'm not expecting that to tip the balance for the worse, but sometimes you don't want to put a hat on a hat.

Current lineup pic:


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Post by Hearafter on 08/15/24 at 21:58:13

🤪👍👍A lot of variables to manage.  I prefer 1 mercury 866A in my STR 104 balanced with a 3B22 or 2 866A’s with one 300b.  What brand 866A’ are you running? I have RCA’s that seem very good.
I also like using the 5v type 83’s mercury tube with similar mix.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/15/24 at 22:35:50

It definitely appears to be all about hitting the sweet spot where you get the best qualities of all of the different types of tubes in play. I suspect I'll come to a more-nuanced lineup when it's all said and done. I have plenty to work with!

I have a pair of 1940s coke-bottle RCA 866As and they're great. The ones in the picture are older, globe-style, with engraved bases, one from United and one from Philco. They seem to sound about the same as the RCAs, really. The globe ones have a more pronounced glow, with a deeper blue. Maybe once the dust settles I'll try to decide if one is appreciably better than the other.

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Post by bloodlemons on 08/16/24 at 02:05:40

Slight update:

Philco globe 866 paired with Cetron 822B sounding best in the 104 right now, with dual ER845s in the 1004.

I really want to prefer the 575As in the 1004, and it is close, but the ER845s just have a cleaner presentation overall. Definitely not sterile, though. These are good tubes.

I a/b'd the Philco globe 866 with the RCA 866A once I got everything else settled. As I remembered, they sound very similar. Philco globe has more definition in the mid-bass (electric bass guitar sounds more like a stringed instrument than just a general low-end force), so I'm sticking with that for now. That might change once the Graphene Sluggos open up a little more.

I did add the Snubway and Mainstream back in and they remain positive additions. Adding that Cetron onto the 104 cleaned the upper mids and highs up enough that it's much easier to hear what each separate component adds to the overall effect now.

Tonight I am doing myself the favor of not listening to the same three songs over and over for a while...  ;D

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Post by Adamaley on 08/22/24 at 05:54:45

So far, what is everyone's favorite brand of the following:
3B28 and 836 rectifier tubes?

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Post by Hearafter on 08/22/24 at 20:48:33

Adamaley- I can only speak to the 3B28.  I purchased a NOS pair of RCA that tested very strong and I have to say they are nothing special.  The 3B22 that came with my STR sound better. The bottle shape looks cool and they cost nothing so all is not bad.  If I was to do it again I would skip these tubes with all the other choices.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 08/22/24 at 21:00:14

My STR arrived back from Al with his warranty repairs and all seems to working well. 🤞 I thought I was not missing the STR much since my system was sounding really good.  Woah…was I proven wrong. The music just filled the room in all directions with clearer highs and lower lows.  What’s next? 🤪

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/23/24 at 19:18:13

What's next?

I ordered an LSA Lightspeed Attenuator on eBay and it arrived this morning. It's a passive preamp. Right now I have it between the CSP3 and the ZMA, with the CSP3 volume pot wide open. It's sounding really good -- cleaner and clearer than the CSP3 at the same volume on its own.

https://lightspeedattenuator.com/

I got the idea from the crazy-long ZMA upgrades thread on this forum. I'm going to bypass the volume pot in the ZMA next. I never use it anymore, and it's an easily reversible mod.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/24/24 at 04:58:03

My STR arrived this week. I didn't have much time to play with it since I'm out of town this weekend. I've purchased a pair of 863s, two different 1616s (GE and RCA ), and a pair of VX-550. Should be a fun next couple of weeks.

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Post by bloodlemons on 08/24/24 at 06:13:54

Nice! I haven't tried any of those tubes. I will be interested to hear what you think!

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Post by Adamaley on 08/26/24 at 18:49:18

I'll definitely keep you posted. I've been researching compatible tubes and inquired with Al about another tube - a 572B. Unfortunately, like the 575a, it can only be used in the STR-1004. It may be worth trying, @bloodlemons. It's a current production tube, and can be found for ~$100. It could end up being a gem. Just be sure to avoid the Svetlana variant (no top cap) because it is not electrically identical to the others.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/26/24 at 20:00:40

I got the following correction from Al:

Oh, sorry, I misread your model fo tubes as 575A instead of 572B, actually you can use 572B in your STR with a 845 >> 300B converter and set to 5V settings and top cap cable, but you should not use with the 845 >> 866A converter since the current of this tube is too high and might kill the power supply in a long run.
Best regards
AL

This confirms that we can try the 572B tube in the STR-1002 and 1004. I can't speak for the 104.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/26/24 at 20:38:25

Good to know. Although, now that my 1002 has been upgraded to 1004, I can run the 575As all day long.

However, after much swapping and auditioning, my current configuration is Amperex 872As in the 1004 and USAF-596s in the 104. I thought the 872As were a little harsh in the highs before but now, with Graphene Sluggos in everything, they are just right. The 596s are very nice, and clean, which i think balances out the mercury tone from the 872As.

I miss the more dramatic blue glow from the 866s, and will probably run them again eventually, but I'm very happy with what I am hearing with the current setup.

Photographic evidence:


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/26/24 at 21:07:41

Your setup is looking fantastic. Since I'm going non-mercury, I won't get to try some of these certified sonic and visual beauties you are enjoying.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/26/24 at 23:24:23

Thanks! You have kids, right? I wouldn't have the mercury if I had kids. No way.

The USAF-596s aren't mercury, by the way. Woo Audio seems to have a corner on the market for these but, as you can see, I made my own adapters; about $5/piece rather than the $250 he charges for his (admittedly, much nicer-looking) adapter.

That applies to Al's anode leads too. I think he charges $60/pair or something and you can literally make one with a banana clip, any non-bare wire, and an alligator clip for like $3. I bought a ten-foot braided microphone cable and have been making my own. If I can do it, anyone can do it!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/27/24 at 00:59:24

Yes. A little one incoming precludes me from the mercury goodness. Hence the reason I'm digging for all the non-mercury possibilities.

Al just gave his blessing for the 8020W half wave rectifier tube using the 845 --> 300b adapter. Same adapter works for the 572B. I didn't other the 300b adapter with my STR, so it'll be a while before I can try them

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 08/27/24 at 15:16:57

Back from vacay and getting caught up on the STR news.

Welcome to the club Adamaley, if you haven't ordered them already PM me and I'll sell you my 845 -> 300B adapters cheap, that goes for anyone else as well. I'm fully committed to mercury-free 10V tubes.

bloodlemons, you've moved on from the Elrogs? FWIW my RCA transmitting tube manual says the 8008 is electrically similar to 872, but with different base and physical dimensions so pretty much the same but not exactly. If you're still curious I feel like you could whip up an adapter from ebay parts for a lot less than what AL would charge.





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Post by bloodlemons on 08/27/24 at 20:36:32

CAJames --

I don't know that I've "moved on" from the Elrogs fully - they are clearly excellent tubes - but for the moment I'm very much enjoying the mercury 872A plus non-mercury USAF-596 combo. I tried something similar with 866s in the 104 and Elrogs in the 1004, but the current combo won the shootout, even if maybe only by a couple of hairs.

As for the 8008: I'm getting a little more comfortable with the idea of making my own STR accessories. I just need a little more inspiration and free time...

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/27/24 at 23:00:27

Al says we can use the 4B32 tube as well. This doesn't require an adapter, however, his only caveat is to limit use to 3-4 hour periods.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 08/28/24 at 00:54:55

Al told me to limit 575s to 5-6 hours. When I told him I often keep my system on most of the day, he said that should be fine if I took the bottom panel off and elevated the unit about two inches. Apparently, heat is the main issue, so providing additional ventilation is the remedy.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Adamaley on 08/30/24 at 17:44:53

That makes sense. Thanks for the info. I found a 4b32 local to me, which I'll be picking up this weekend. Fun times.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 09/04/24 at 15:38:29

Still loving my STR with the Elrog 845s, but I haven't spent enough money on tubes lately so I bought a couple of NOS 211s. They should be here for the weekend, will be an interesting comparison I think.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 09/06/24 at 00:04:01

U-S-A!   U-S-A!




GE VT-4-C aka 211 burning in. Sounds a little rough right out of the box, no surprise. More to follow.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 09/06/24 at 03:14:19

3 hours in and the GE 211s sound great. Huge, dynamic sound with great bass extension. Not the liquidity or "refinement" of the Elrogs, but close and it has only been 3 hours. I think these are going to be great sounding tubes, and at $275 per they are an excellent value.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 09/06/24 at 22:12:36

Cool!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 10/12/24 at 20:17:02

This thread has been pretty quiet, presumably because everyone has been too busy listening to post.

For me, I've been ridiculously happy listening to the GE 211s for the last month or so, but this morning I decided I needed a reality check so I put the Elrog 845s back in. I've still got the same tubes in my Woo Audio preamp, to which the STR is connected and only changed the input tubes on my UFO25s since I had the Elrogs in before. After listening for a couple of hours this morning my conclusion is the Elrogs win over the GEs. The Elrogs make the sound a little bigger, a little more liquid (but not warm) and with a little better low end. The GEs are very much in the race though, probably the biggest (relative) weakness is the mid- to low-bass but they add some high end sparkle that is very nice on e.g. female vocals.

I haven't heard any of the high end Chinese power triodes, but the GE 211s beat the bargain tubes I have by a lot (although I guess for completeness I ought to listen to them again as well), and don't cost much more. Certainly way less than new Elrogs. I'm still not tempted by mercury rectifiers, with the Elrongs and GEs I just don't feel any need to mix mercury tubes with the cats.

In other news I've recently made friends with the choke. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that like everything else it needs to burn in before it sounds its good. I had only listened to it for a couple minutes, hated it, and decided I would never use it but a few weeks ago I decided to run it overnight, and the next day it sounded way better. Much more subtle and not at all unpleasant, esp. with old not-so-good recordings.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 10/12/24 at 22:34:19

CAJames- Good to hear you found your liking and nice to see a post on this thread after a break.  I am glad I went with the small tube Str-104.  Those big boys come with a big price.  I have settled in with my favorite tubes in the Str-104 being a RCA 866a in the rear socket and a 3B22  (2A3 2nd) in the front socket along with a graphene sluggo.  It is just stunning with my Torii jr.  Listening to Dire Straits “On Every Street” is mesmerizing.  How fun!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 10/26/24 at 20:19:07

I leave both chokes on pretty much all the time now. Opens things up in a way you miss if you turn it off, imo.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 10/26/24 at 20:38:48


Quote:
Posted by: bloodlemons      Posted on: Today at 12:19:07

I leave both chokes on pretty much all the time now. Opens things up in a way you miss if you turn it off, imo.


I've been playing around with a lot of different tubes lately (in my amp and preamp, not the STR) and for me the choke has become another knob to fine tune the sound. With it off there there is just a little more transparency and dynamics, with it on a little more smoothness and liquidity. I have it on probably 80/20.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by bloodlemons on 10/27/24 at 09:25:31

Exactly. Surprisingly, I tend to leave it off for old, live jazz recordings. Those recordings don't benefit much from a softer approach.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 12/05/24 at 23:35:38

The Space Tech Lab, Super Rectifier topic, caught my attention some months ago. Thanks, GroovySauce, for starting it and to all the participants who have added so much information on a relatively unknown topic.  I regularly followed contributions on this forum and decided to pull the trigger and order the STR-1002-Super. I think what ultimately convinced me was a combination of very consistent positive reports by those who had the STR and CAJames - whose writing is always informative, persuasive, and influential - when he said on first listening to his STR here on June 22,

“OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

I have had my STR now for about a week and find myself in complete agreement with him. 😊

It took about 4-weeks for AL to build the STR. I had time to acquire some tubes, primarily those of the 10V variety and two gas-filled tubes, that I'll say more about in a minute. I choose a pair of huge 845 tubes for my first audio play. If you have never seen these, their size will take your breath away. Also, while I'm on size, my version of the STR is big. The base of my unit is 12" X 12", and with the 845 tubes in it, about a mile high. I rearranged my current setup to give it enough space.

I stream my music through Qobuz, so I chose some very high-quality and well-known tracks and sat back to give a first listen. That is when my jaw dropped to the floor. The sound was sensational. I have been so impressed only once before, when I first played my Decware UFO25. Descriptive writing about sound is a gift I do not have; it is more emotional for me. On first listening, I was spellbound and loved it. Some hours of listening later, I realized how absorbed I had become.

Since that first experience, I have explored various tubes and tube combinations. I found that my favorite tubes are the gas-filled ones. I like the 866A tubes, but my favorite is the 872A tubes. I found these tubes in all the usual places online at a wide range of prices, but many at affordable prices. I am now awaiting delivery on a few more tubes. As others have said, one must be careful with gas/vapor-filled tubes as there is a health risk to what's inside them. These tubes would not be appropriate for some people with kids and animals that get into mischief. My cat is 23, and her years of getting into trouble are way past, so I have more control.  The auditory payoff is worth it if one can be extra careful with these giant gas tubes.
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I found working with AL at Space Tech Labs to be positive for anyone considering going with the STR. He was available most of the time and has been responsive to all my many questions.

I should add that members on this thread warned me to be careful about settings on the STR. If you change tubes, you must change switch settings. It's nothing complicated, but I made a short list of things to check, and I do that whenever I start a session with different tubes. I had to stop a few times and realize I had done something incorrectly.

I'll add more as time goes on. I expect to take delivery of a Decware 300B amp either at the end of December or the beginning of January. I am curious if there are any other users of the STR with Decware's 300B. I have not read any posts, but they could be out there.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 12/06/24 at 00:08:38


Quote:
Posted by: Tony      Posted on: Today at 15:35:38

...“OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

I have had my STR now for about a week and find myself in complete agreement with him. 😊




That's awesome Tony! A STR+tubes is a lot of money for a "tweak" so I'm pleased that you found the recommendation worthwhile.

I continue to be intrigued by the mercury vapor tubes. But I continue to have cats too so I still won't do it. At least not today.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 12/06/24 at 02:48:40

Tony- Fantastic! 🤪 you pulled the trigger on an STR 1002.  You don’t know how much you love the STR until you have used it for several months and then take it away.  Another “OHMYGOD” moment for sure. My favorite tube is the 866A.  It just has a great holographic detailed full sound that separates it from the other tubes. Tried a Graphene sluggo and it sounded very nice but it doesn’t have the impact the Graphene sluggos have on my Amp and Preamp.  Have fun with the tube rolling rabbit hole.  💰 😉

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 12/06/24 at 04:47:37

Congrats Tony!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Gilf on 12/06/24 at 04:54:27

Wow, between STR, your Terminator, and upcoming Decware delivery you have some major upgrades in your system this year, which was already outstanding. Cheers!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/07/24 at 23:45:45

Congratulations Tony, enjoy your new STR. I had to slog through some home related major expenses over the last few months, delaying an STR order. Needless to say just got approval from my wife to move forward with ordering an STR-1002-Super later this month to use with my CSP3. I'm getting a narrow width version in black oak. It'll match the dimensions of my CSP3 preamp and there's room on my rack to set it right beside the preamp.

So if all goes well I should have it sometime next month. Very excited.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 12/08/24 at 00:34:17


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Today at 15:45:45

...ordering an STR-1002-Super later this month to use with my CSP3. I'm getting a narrow width version in black oak...


Outstanding! That's what I have, welcome to Team STR!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 12/08/24 at 19:23:24


Thanks, guys, for your well wishes on the STR unit. It continues to perform very well as I explore different tube combinations. Last night, I returned to the 866 A, the pair that Hearafter mentioned, and they sounded great. Tonight, I want to revisit the 845 / 211 combo.

HK, congratulations on your order! I'm sure you will be impressed and keep us posted. What tubes do you have in mind for starting?

Tony

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/08/24 at 20:38:03

Tony,

I've decided to get the power supply upgrade (120W to 200W) in addition to the solid oak (black) chassis. Starting out with the Cossor 805A tubes (standard) and will likely pick up a pair of Linlai 805-TA's (carbon sprayed) and 845-DG's. No plans to get those exotic mercury vapor tubes as I want to keep things simple.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 12/08/24 at 21:34:53

Congrats Roger! Feels like Lon and I are the last men standing without an STR!

Btw, can you expand on the power supply upgrade—I don’t recall learning about that option before?

Kamran

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 12/08/24 at 21:42:11

congrats Tony! I myself have no plans on getting one. I have no space in my rack, I have nothing I can take out of the rack to make space, I have no more outlets to plug something in to, and I'm very happy with the sound I have, and don't want to go to the expense of another component and all new tube types. (I have felt particularly broke this year, and predict even more fiscal paucity in the coming year!) So I'll just have to feed off the impressions and reports of you folk.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/08/24 at 22:03:22

Kamran,

It's an option listed on the STR webpage. A larger 200W PS vs. the standard 120W PS. Al indicated that the larger power supply gave a more relaxed feeling for music playback. I figured what the heck, my Palantir stock has done very well.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 12/10/24 at 03:39:33

Thx for the clarification on the power supply Roger.  Hope you get your STR soon. Looking forward to reading your impressions!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/19/24 at 13:19:44

A nice pair of Linlai 805-TA tubes have arrived from Hong Kong.Purchased from hifi-amplifiers.com,  these BIG tubes were extremely well packed. They await my STR-1002-Super from Al which should be shipped next month.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 12/19/24 at 15:38:21

Nice, just wait until you see them lit up!

What about 845s?



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/19/24 at 18:48:21

Will order 845's next month before the Trump tariffs kick in.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/20/24 at 07:49:34

Al just informed me that my STR-1002 is complete and burning in. Should ship next week.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 12/20/24 at 15:22:23


Beautiful. Those look like they could be the 845 tubes. I like the base color, almost went with that choice myself. Enjoy, and let us know how the STR works out for you. I know you will :)

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 12/20/24 at 15:58:21


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Yesterday at 23:49:34

Al just informed me that my STR-1002 is complete and burning in. Should ship next week...


Sweet!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 12/20/24 at 16:22:06

Al completed the build in just under two weeks, really excellent service. Also he'll be able to ship Canadian Post as the strike will end next week, saving me $$ over UPS rates. Timing is everything sometimes.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 12/20/24 at 16:28:39

How exciting!  Nice to see more members joining the STR Club. Every now and then I remove my STR from my Torii Jr just to reassure myself how much it adds to my system’s SQ.  You shall be amazed.  The black oak cabinet is really nice and would be my choice as well.  I have STR tube size envy with my little 104 since everyone seems to be ordering the 1002’s.  If only my cabinet had a few more inches…enjoy the new tube toy!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 12/20/24 at 18:16:26


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Yesterday at 10:48:21

Will order 845's next month before the Trump tariffs kick in.


FWIW if you want to buy American I really like these NOS 211s for $275:

https://www.surplussales.com/Tubes-Sock-Acc/100/TubesListed_100up_1.html

For me they are better than the stock PSVane 805s or (inexpensive) Linlai 845s and 211s. But I haven't heard any high end Chinese tubes and of course JMO/YMMV and all that.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/12/25 at 17:49:32

My STR-1002 Super arrived yesterday. It's now hooked up with the supplied 805A tubes from Al and a Decware DHC2 power cord burning in. Sounds great right away!!! I'll give it a week or so streaming music before giving my impressions.

BTW, Al packed the STR with tubes in a single box with plenty of foam and bubble wrapped. It survived the 12 day journey from Vancouver, BC to Delaware very well. My Linlai 845DG tubes should arrive from Hong Kong by Tuesday, so life is good.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 01/12/25 at 18:18:49

HK, That is exciting! I found mine sounded great cold out of the box and like almost everything else became better in all aspects over time.

I really enjoy the Linlai 845DGs.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 01/12/25 at 18:29:02

Right on HK! I agree with Groovy, mine sounded mind blowingly good right out of the box. Brand new tubes, at least new triodes like 845s you have coming take a while, but the apparently AL puts plenty of time on the 805s he ships with the STR.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/12/25 at 18:32:16

Al told me the unit and tubes have 50 hours of burn in. Will be at 80-90% with another 50 hours, then fully burned in around 200 hours total. Should be able to get to 100 hours by next Sunday or Monday.

Sounds very good just out of the box, maybe a little forward which my guess is due to the Decware power cord.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 01/12/25 at 19:00:42

Nice HK! Looking forward to your impressions!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 01/12/25 at 19:07:51


Congrats HK, I am sure that it will sound even better after burn in, but I have to agree with some of the others that right out of the box I was very pleased with the sound. Keep us in the loop and enjoy!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 01/12/25 at 23:57:01

Excellent!  Congrats to another happy member of the Space Tech SR club.  Amazing what an improvement these super rectifiers bring to a system.  Enjoy! It only gets better…

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/14/25 at 10:21:44

While the STL supplied Linlai Global 805 tubes only have a total of 65 hours on them, I couldn't resist trying out the 845DG tubes which arrived from Hong Kong yesterday. So begins plans to burn these in for about 150 hours.

I figure about 4 weeks of listening until they reach that mark. BTW they sound very good right out of the box and I can't wait for them to start blooming. More later but I am simply gobsmacked by this Super Tube Rectifier used with the Decware CSP3 - simply eargasmic.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 01/14/25 at 15:26:39


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Today at 02:21:44

- simply eargasmic.


^^^Should be a t-shirt.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/16/25 at 12:18:55

Early morning tube glow. Linlai 855DG in STL STR-1002 and CSP3 preamp. ModWright modified CXNV2 on the middle rack.


find duplicates in csv online

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 01/16/25 at 13:55:52

Love this pic!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 01/16/25 at 15:27:22

Looking good! I'm sure it is sounding good too. Have you experimented with the choke yet?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/16/25 at 18:39:44

CA, I have not used the choke yet. Will probably check out the function when the 845 tubes are fully settled in.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 01/16/25 at 21:13:21

That is a perfectly reasonable plan. FWIW my experience is this: I switched on the choke fairly early in my STR journey and it was horrible, I literally couldn't turn it off fast enough and didn't think I would ever turn it back on. But after some time and other posters being pro-choke to various degrees I decided to give it another try. This time I let it run overnight and the next morning it sounded 1000% better. I don't necessarily use it all the time, but I'm glad it is an option that I can use to fine tune the sound based on the other tubes in my system.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 01/17/25 at 21:38:52

HK looks great! If the bright light is too much for you I've added some 3" pipe around the tubes with a air gap on the bottom. I've been running like this for a few months and all is well.



Anyone else blending the tubes? Unfortunately one of the 845 DG started to chatter and I couldn't get it to go away so I replaced it with a 845-T.

CAJames, You have inspired me to start building hours on the choke and see if I start to prefer it or not.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 01/21/25 at 16:42:21

A Christmas Story.

On December 24, UPS delivered my Decware 300B—what perfect timing for the holidays! I decided to set it up downstairs first to have more control over the hours played and rested. I figured I would go with five hours on followed by five off, at least for a few days. I got a chance to listen to it right away, of course, in the downstairs setup, and "right out of the box," the sound was......I'll return to that as this post is not about that event. This story is more like the Grinch, who almost stole Christmas!

On Christmas Day, at 6:00 a.m., I turned on the 300B downstairs to cook for 5 hours and returned to the Decware UFO25 upstairs, where the STR has been playing perfectly with it for several weeks. I had been rolling tubes in the STR to determine which I liked best. I had recently purchased a "used pair" of 872A tubes and decided to put them in. I powered up the STR, and the tubes lit as expected. Then, I  waited. After the usual wait time, I turned on the UFO25, but nothing happened; it was dead silent. No tubes lit at all.
That was the first time UFO25 had never powered up, and I immediately thought about the fuse. I checked it, and it had blown. I replaced the fuse and began again. First, the STR on, wait, then the UFO25, and poof, nothing. I had blown a second fuse.

I stopped at this point and needed to collect myself, as I was starting to panic. I made coffee and emailed a message to AL at Space-Tech Labs. I didn't expect a response, as it was Christmas day, but writing helped me remember and document what had happened. Within an hour on Christmas Day, AL sent his first response. Over the next four hours, we exchanged a half-dozen emails in hopes of making an assessment. In the end, AL said to return it, which I did.

I wanted to return it to Space-Tech in Canada as soon as possible, and I found I could send it via UPS Next-Day delivery for about $500.00. OK, that's a problem.

In 2024, I discovered Pirate Ship, a low-cost shipping intermediate that uses UPS, USPS, and, I think, FedEx. Using Pirate Ship, I could send the STR to AL via the same "UPS Next Day" service for about $100. I had used Pirate Ship a few times successfully in 2024, so it was a calculated risk. I sent it out on December 26; AL received it on December 27, and he fixed it by December 28. This story, however, is not quite finished, as the Grinch is about to reappear.


AL told me there was no Pirate Ship service in Canada. He would use the Canadian Post to the US, and the USPS would then take it over, which would take a week. So that was the plan. I followed the shipping process as it unfolded online. The Canadian Post delivered it to the USPS in LA, and there, it just stopped. The fires in the LA area changed how USPS operated. OMG, what next?

The USPS online service showed me where the package was last tracked in LA. The USPS message online said they would do nothing until the package was unaccounted for 14 days; then, I could begin an investigation, but not before. Last Friday was day 14; I logged in to USPS, hoping to start the investigation that might take forever. Instead, USPS announced they had found the package and expected delivery to me that afternoon!

I was suspicious, but the STR arrived at 2:45 p.m. that afternoon. I set it up to work with the new 300B amp, and it worked perfectly.

So, what happened on Christmas Day when it blew up in the first place? It's still a bit of a mystery. AL thought it was related to tubes, "I will say the chance that the newly introduced, used 872A tubes were the problem is higher than 90%. The other 10% include insufficient burn-in time before engaging the tube or not locking tubes in place." It was not a user error, so it must have been that tube. I took those tubes to the local recycling center, and that is it for them.

Morale of the story, be careful with some of the old tubes. They might not be worth trying in the STR.

And what about the 300B and how it sounded "right out of the box"? I'll come back to that; it's another story.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 01/21/25 at 17:51:24

Wow. Some story. So did AL say what he had to fix?

I can imagine how frustrating having your STR get lost must have been. A couple years ago I had a package (tubes IIRC) that looked like it was stuck in LA and I contacted USPS customer support after about 1 week and a couple days later the package arrived and I got an message for someone at my local post office saying they "fixed it." FWIW.


Quote:
Posted by: Tony      Posted on: Today at 08:42:21

...Morale of the story, be careful with some of the old tubes. They might not be worth trying in the STR...


Sure, but short of a tube tester how does one know? And even with a (pretty nice) tube tester I can't test the big transmitting triodes or mercury vapor rectifiers. And of course bad tubes can be a problem anywhere, not just the STR. To me that is just another aspect of the beauty and sorrow of tube audio. Otherwise there are plenty of solid state options out there...

But, on the bright side it sounds like the amps were undamaged and I'm sure you have plenty of conventional rectifiers with which to listen and burnin while the STR was MIA. Looking forward to your Sarah review.




Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 01/21/25 at 23:16:42

Tony- Great story and Thanks for sharing.  It’s always nice to hear about what others go through in this crazy hobby. Sometimes you feel… Is it just me going through this?  Glad it all got sorted out well even though it was delayed.
Your story was a Deja Vu moment for me when my STR kept blowing my Tori Jr. 250mA rectifier fuse. I had about 30 emails (lost count) back and forth with Al just to determine it needed to be sent in for warranty work.  Cost $170 round trip shipping to Canada and 3 weeks time. My STR also got held up LA with no help of the unfortunate fires. I think my issue might have been caused by a 866a tube that failed even though issues appeared several days after the failure.  Go figure….  Al made some soft start modifications and replace some parts and it has performed flawlessly since.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 01/23/25 at 01:48:35

Tony what a story—-I was hooked on every word! Thank God you received your STR. Hoping that it stays functional from here on out.

Also eagerly awaiting your Sarah review.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by duaneh on 01/25/25 at 04:46:05

I feel that I should get this on the record . . . A while back when my STR-104 first arrived I plugged it in to my SE84UFO25 and on the second day (after being amazed on the first), both 3B22s arc-ed and no music played. Oddly, when I tapped the tubes or the STR chassis, a moment of music would spill out then quit. I put the old 5U4G back in and emailed AL who had no explanation (I had followed faithfully the “wait 5 minutes rule” before moving the STR from standby). AL put new tubes in the mail. In the mean time my CSP3+25 mods arrived into which I plugged the STR (I’d read somewhere that AL rather preferred the idea of using the STR in a pre) when the new 3B22s arrived. I haven’t plugged the STR back into the amp. Not particularly curious. A little scared. But my system sounds great with the STR busy in the CSP.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 01/25/25 at 15:48:47


Hey duaneh, Thanks for your post.

If you have read about my recent experience with the STR, you know I also went through a phase of problem detection and solving with my STR. On Christmas day, I must have exchanged a half dozen emails with AL as we tried to pinpoint the issue. AL is probably back now from his vacation, so I recommend you do the same. If you are working, that will limit your time, but he seems to be available on Saturdays and probably Sundays, too.

Will the STR light up using the new tubes he sent without connecting it to the preamp? Will it stay lit for extended periods? During those times, if you tap the chassis surface, any response? If it plays continuously and withstands the tapping on the chassis, do you feel it is safe to try it with the preamp?  If not, that would be the next question to AL. Something is getting in your way, so have him address it. There might be one or two more problem-solving steps he or other Decware community folks can recommend.

When I connected my STR to the new Decware 300B amp for the first time I was nervous. There were no problems whatsoever. Here's hoping that is how it goes for you.

Could you keep us in the loop?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 01/25/25 at 16:23:58


Quote:
Posted by: duaneh      Posted on: Yesterday at 20:46:05

...and on the second day (after being amazed on the first), both 3B22s arc-ed and no music played.


Your story has an almost biblical resonance. Sometimes rectifiers arc, but it seems a little weird that both would blowup so soon and at the same time. I assume there is no chance the voltage switches in the STR got moved to 5V, right?

For me, I'm using my STR with my preamp for a variety of reasons, like I have 2 power amps and also want the advantage of the STR with headphones. But, I feel like if the STR is working reliably with the CSP25 it should also work fine the in the UFO25, with the 3B22s it has plenty of power for either, but it never hurts to email AL. FWIW the SLT webpage says they are on holiday through Feb. 20, but will be answering email.

Keep us posted.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by duaneh on 01/25/25 at 22:23:54

Regarding the voltage, it arrived at 5V and I switched it to 2.5 for the 3B22s. I mentioned the possibility to AL that the switch might have been installed backwards, which he didn't think possible and said it must have been tested with 5V tubes. And like I said, the new 3B22s have worked wonderfully in the CSP. Very odd that both tubes would fail. Maybe got jiggled too hard in the mail. Maybe when I get backup tubes I'll try it back in the UFO25.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/30/25 at 19:08:12

Ugh, STR-1002 won't power up. Tubes are ok, so I'm hoping it's just a blown fuse. Followed Al's start up & powering down instructions to a T and no power outage/surges experienced.

Emailed Al who is in vacation until 2/10. Keeping my fingers crossed I don't have to ship it back to Vancouver for repairs. Sounded great up until this point.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/30/25 at 19:25:48

Found the 5x20 fuse in the STR-1002 IEC. Looks like it's ceramic not clear glass so I can't tell if it's blown. Anyone know the amp value on the fuse, I can't read it.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 01/30/25 at 20:08:48


I sent AL some questions while he is on vacation last week, and he did respond so I'm sure you will hear back from him.

Sorry to hear that you encountered a glitch. I have the STR-1002-Super, and AL wrote and told me "The default fuse is 20mm 1.25A, you can use range from 1A to 2A."

Let me know if you have any additional questions that I might be able to answer. When I had a problem, the 845 tubes still lit, but the fuse in the 84UFO25 failed.

Tony




Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/30/25 at 20:19:20

Thanks Tony. Did he specify fast or slow blow?

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 01/30/25 at 20:52:07


Did he specify fast or slow blow?

HK, in writing to me he did not specify.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by will on 01/30/25 at 23:56:08

HK, Don't know if you have one around, but multi testers tend to have a continuity setting with a sound setting. In the case of a fuse, we would measure between the ends, and if there is continuity, it is not broken and you hear a sound. And if it is blown, no sound. I find them handy for a lot of things, used similarly for verifying the right wiring of power cable or IC ends, or checking house voltage, DC voltage, cap and resistor values, etc.

If you don't have one, I saw a cheapy on amazon with lots of happy ratings for like $14, and these days you can get some pretty nice ones for not a lot more... And who knows, I did not read up on it, but this one may be pretty accurate.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 01/31/25 at 02:39:12

HK-  Fyi- My Str-104 came with a 1A Slow Blow fuse for the main power.  No internal fuses.  If you look at the fuse end markings a T is Slow and F is Fast.  That’s if you can read the small letters and numbers. So my fuse reads T1A 250v.  Hope it’s just the fuse.



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by kulafu on 01/31/25 at 14:34:37

Here is a response Al sent me for fuse replacement for an STR1002:
Thanks for asking, the fuse in there is 1.25A 20mm slow blow, you can use 1A~1.5A slow blow if you cannot find 1.25A, or 1.5 fast blow.

Bob

   
   

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by kulafu on 01/31/25 at 14:39:17

I got the fuses from Amazon:  1.25A 250V Slow-Blow Glass Fuses 5x20mm (Pack of 5).  I had the same no power problem and Al pointed me first to the fuse.
Bob

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 01/31/25 at 15:00:11

Thanks all. Al responded and said a 1.25A or 2A slow blow fuse would work. Suggested I try a 2A given the larger power supply. Ordered both from Amazon and should be able get it back up and running on Monday.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 02/03/25 at 16:37:43

Thankfully it was the fuse that blew. The stock Linlai 805 tubes are burning brightly and now I have several 1.5 and 2 amp ceramic fuses if I encounter another power hiccup. Thanks again for all the assistance.

More music streaming after the tubes warm up a bit😊.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/03/25 at 17:28:36

That is good news. I've been #mercurycurious but have held off because of our cats. But the various issues that folks had with the mercury rectifiers has dampened my enthusiasm by a lot.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 02/03/25 at 18:29:14


HK, that is good news.  Back to the music.

CAJames, I experimented last night listening to a pair of 845's and then a pair of 872A (mercury) and the better sound was from the 872A. You have some other tubes in your inventory that would compete much better, so there may not be much to be gained with the 872As.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/03/25 at 20:21:35


Quote:
Posted by: Tony      Posted on: Today at 10:29:14

...CAJames, I experimented last night listening to a pair of 845's and then a pair of 872A (mercury) and the better sound was from the 872A...


You are not alone, hence #mercurycurious. But, my Elrog 845s do sound better than my (inexpensive) Chinese triodes. I (infamously) said my system sounded so good it was hard to imagine the STR making it better, so I'll never say never, but today I'm happy listening to music and I'm not worrying about tubes.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 02/03/25 at 23:55:09

HK, Glad you got back up and running again!

Tony, What are you running the STR on? I found for amps the 845s don't sound as good as the 3B22s. Actually putting a pair of rectifiers into the STR and running that sounds better than the same tubes in the amp.

For the TRP DAC I found the 845s sound great. I've been racking up hours on a pair of Linlai 805-T and they are sounding very nice. I've swiched a few things around so need to go back to the 845s after I get some more time with the 805s.

I'm guessing once the component requires a certain amount of current the 845s and other triodes quickly run out of steam and don't sound as good.

I'm still staying away from the mercury tubes.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/04/25 at 01:53:05


Quote:
Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 15:55:09

...Actually putting a pair of rectifiers into the STR and running that sounds better than the same tubes in the amp...


Yes, I found the same thing. But for me, in my non-Decware preamp, running 5V rectifiers (and/or 300B tubes) in the STR was a relatively small improvement vs. the 10V transmitting triodes that were a blow-me-away improvement.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 02/04/25 at 03:03:52

"What are you running the STR on?" GS, I'm not sure what you mean by that question! :)

My first set of STR tubes were 805, 211 and 845. Then I went with the 3B22, 866A and 872A. In my system, the 872A have outperformed all the others by a fairly large margin. The 3B22 and 866A are about the same, and I like them.

I am going directly from the STR into the 300B.

At some point I need to get back and listen again to the first group as it has been awhile.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 02/04/25 at 11:32:17

The Linlai 845 DG's are back in my STR-1002. The music just sounds exquisite in my system configuration. Picking up a used Snake River Audio Signature Series power cord to see if I can extract even more good mojo from this sterling performer.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/04/25 at 15:46:23


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Today at 03:32:17

The Linlai 845 DG's are back in my STR-1002. The music just sounds exquisite in my system configuration...


Of my Chinese triodes: Linlai DG 845 and 211 and the stock 805s, I preferred the 845. But I also tried a lot of different tubes in my (non-Decware) preamp to get the right synergy. I'm wondering if you've also been rolling tubes in your CSP?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 02/05/25 at 00:32:01

Tony, you answered my questions. What was being powered by the STR.

Tony running the STR into the Sarah and CAJames STR into CSP, seems like my hypothesis is still holding.

It might be good for us when discussing which tubes we like to mention what component we are powering with the STR.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 02/05/25 at 09:21:08

[I'm wondering if you've also been rolling tubes in your CSP?]

CA James,

I currently have a matched pair of Cryotone 6922's in the output sockets and a single 1950's RCA 6SN7GT smoked glass tube in the input socket. I dial back the RCA a couple clicks. These are tubes in my CSP3 preamp.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 02/05/25 at 13:59:33

I have been remiss in not sharing my listening observations of the STR-1002 (Super Tube Rectifier) which has replaced the Psvane Treasure 274B rectifier tube in my CSP3 preamp. I have only listened to the STR with the stock Linlai 805 and a pair of Linlai 845 DG tunes. My system information can be found at the bottom of this post. My listening area is a modest, well treated 15.5'x13.5'x7.5' basement room with my ZMA and Caintick Audio Magnum Lii F15's front and center. Is it about 11' from the speakers.

While I could go into a great deal of detail regarding the improvement in sound quality resulting from the STR-1002, I'll great straight to the point: I am now enjoying the most satisfying, immersive music experience EVER!  The music evokes an emotional response and is so REAL!  You just get sucked into the performance, it's so seductive. It's a reach out and touch the performers with my single driver open baffles. I have difficulty wrapping my mind around the change, particularly with the Linlai 845DG tubes fully settled in now

I'd get into the technical aspects of sound quality improvement, but the words will simply fail to do justice to what I'm hearing. As previously noted it's just TOTALLY EARGASMIC!

90% of my listening has been Room/Qobuz streamed music via my MWI modified CXN V2 streamer/DAC. I did spin Dire Straits Love Over Gold (MoFi 45 RPM) last week. The bass response from my frequency limited Lii Audio F15's was jaw dropping and I'm no bass head.

So Al the Mad Scientist has created something really special with his Special Tube Rectifier STR-1002, IMHO..You'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands when I pass to the other realm.

HK


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/05/25 at 15:13:45


Quote:
Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Yesterday at 16:32:01

...Tony running the STR into the Sarah and CAJames STR into CSP, seems like my hypothesis is still holding.


Your hypothesis is still holding, but my preamp is a Woo Audio WA22, not a CSP FYI/FTR.


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Today at 05:59:33

...So Al the Mad Scientist has created something really special with his Special Tube Rectifier STR-1002, IMHO..You'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands when I pass to the other realm.


Right on! The (recovering) scientist in me occasionally wonders how this thing does its magic, but the music lover in me is still amazed at what AL has conjured up every time I turn on my system.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 02/06/25 at 01:41:40

Mental Note: Try (emphasis on try) to stop visiting this thread.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 02/06/25 at 01:51:59


Above,  where HK says "I'll great straight to the point: I am now enjoying the most satisfying, immersive music experience EVER!" I am in total agreement. :)

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 02/06/25 at 02:04:43

Hk and Tony- Great to hear very happy listener’s comments 👍👍.  Tony- what is your “Best in Class” component set up now including tubes being used. It’s always fun to learn from others.   Cheers!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/06/25 at 17:48:09


Quote:
Posted by: Kamran      Posted on: Yesterday at 17:41:40

Mental Note: Try (emphasis on try) to stop visiting this thread.




You've held out for almost a year, how much longer will you be "master of your domain?"

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 02/06/25 at 20:05:09

LOL—I’m slowly warming up to the idea (no pun intended).  Just the other day, I caught myself eying space for a STR sized component….

That said, there are some other components that I’m also exploring including an investment/s in my analog setup, that has me distracted for the moment, not to mention, a desire to also upgrade my DAC at some point.

First World Problems….

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 02/07/25 at 23:24:27

CAJames, My bad, I do recall you having the Woo Audio unit. The photo got a laugh out of me for sure. If anyone has money burning a hole in their pocket I’m still available. :P



HK, That is a fantastic description and the heart of the matter of why I love hifi!

Kamran, CAJames has inspired me with recalling the meme you created… Get a tube rectified DAC so you can you buy a STR for that!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 02/12/25 at 21:31:45


Hi Hearafter, Sorry to take to take so long to respond, I missed your question above. I think you're asking on my take regarding tubes in the STR. Without a doubt, the 872A are my favorites. I am going through a review of my current tubes in the STR this week, so I'll give you an update when finished. From memory, I would include the 866A and 845. I remember when I first tried the 3B22 I liked them as well. I'll see if this "Best of Class" holds after my review.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 02/14/25 at 12:38:52

I've been utilizing the choke setting on the STR-1002 Super the last few days in conjunction with the Linlai 845DG tubes. The setting provides some changes to soundstage - increasing the width and height of the musical presentation and a bit of a "dreamy" euphoric tonal presence. While it's difficult to put my finger on other attributes, the choke setting does appear to emphasize the  midrange at the expense of restricting both frequency extremes, at least on my Lii 15 baffles. So maybe some compression of the music?

Anyway, the choke setting to my ears alters faithful reproduction of recordings (streamed music, vinyl and CD playback too) making the music sound a bit artificial at least to me in my system.

I can see possible benefit to plaback of digital harshness on poorly recorded music (early CD's) but given the relatively good resolution of my system, the choke function has limited appeal. As always YOMV. Cheers this Friday morning.

PS: I hear there is a BIG Eagles party in Philadelphia this morning. I will not be partaking in the revelry.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/14/25 at 15:30:55


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Today at 04:38:52

I've been utilizing the choke setting on the STR-1002 Super the last few days in conjunction with the Linlai 845DG tubes. The setting provides some changes to soundstage - increasing the width and height of the musical presentation and a bit of a "dreamy" euphoric tonal presence. While it's difficult to put my finger on other attributes, the choke setting does appear to emphasize the  midrange at the expense of restricting both frequency extremes, at least on my Lii 15 baffles. So maybe some compression of the music?


That is similar to my experience, once the choke was well broken in (I let it play overnight, so like 10 hours). For me, with the choke off there is a little more transparency and dynamics, with it on a little more liquidity and smoothness. I use it to smooth out some old noisy recordings, but mostly as another knob to fine tune the sound of different tubes in my non-Decware preamp.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 02/15/25 at 21:33:30


A post or two ago, I mentioned listening to various tubes in the STR and reassessing what I like. The 872A continues to be my favorite, but the 3B22 impressed me more this time. I used a pair in one slot via the #11 converter and an 872A in the other. The sound was excellent. If I remember correctly from a while ago, I also enjoyed the 3B22 pair with a single 300B.

It has been some time since I listened to the 211, 805, and 845 groups. I plan to go there next week and compare notes. What's good is that they all sound very good; some, like the 872A, are more to my liking.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 02/23/25 at 20:22:11

This thread really needs to come with a warning pinned at the top!

I made the mistake of reading through all 10 pages recently. This was quickly followed by me bugging a couple of members by PM to make sure I was on the right path. Big thanks to GroovySauce for all of the excellent details on this intriguing piece of gear. And to Kamran for getting it started. How do you not already have one? I don’t know how you manage such restraint.   ;D

I was looking for something to bring fuller, richer sound to my system and perhaps allow me to ditch the subwoofer, if it could bring pleasing enough bass. I’d considered other options as well, but was never ready to pull the trigger. Reading through all of the great information provided by forum members here and the hugely glowing reviews, it seems like this will really fit my wants very well. The option to use the jumbo tubes to impart their sound into my system, was very appealing.

So this morning I completed my order for the STR-1002-Super. Going with the solid oak in black as a few of you have done and getting the stock 805a to start. Looking forward to joining the group of STR “Illuminati” here!   ;)

I’ll be going through the thread again, with an eye to what tubes people are using. I’m intending to stick with the standard tube choices. With having pet’s and wanting to keep things simple, I’m not planning to use mercury vapor tubes, but will be interested in learning more of the tube choices. Tony, I’m looking forward to your impressions once you go back to trying the 211, 805a and 845 tubes you have, in comparison to the mercury vapor tubes and others you really like. I know you’d been using the Linlai 845DG, which really looks appealing to me and others have remarked positively about.

Now the wait begins!…

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 02/23/25 at 21:47:11

Right on! and welcome to Team STR!

Did AL tell you how long the wait is?

And, I'm looking forward to Tony's comparison of the mercury rectifiers to the big triodes as well.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 02/23/25 at 22:27:06

He’s probably working through a bit of backlog, having just returned from vacation. He estimates 4-6 weeks at this point.

I was curious if anyone has tried the Psvane Horizon tubes with this. They seem to get good feedback for a more budget option.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 02/23/25 at 23:51:03

Congrats, LB. I'm sure you will like it. I have had mine since the end of December and consider it one of the best purchases that I have made. AL is pretty fast getting things out, so it should not take him long to get back up to speed after being away.

As you know from reading, the tubes make a difference. I didn't notice if you had some waiting at this point.

Keep us in the loop,
Tony

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 02/24/25 at 07:00:33

Tony, I’d ordered it with the stock 805a tubes for now and want to research other options, before swapping tubes. Right now I’m intrigued by the reviews I’ve seen for the LinLai 845DG and the E-845. The PSvane Horizon 845 looks interesting as well, for a more budget option. At this point I think I want to get it set up and spend some time with the 805’s, so I can see what direction to go from there.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 03/08/25 at 17:10:59

Hi friends, curious to see if anyone has tried the 2 x LinLai 7300B-D Titanium Screen D-Series Premium 300B tubes in their STR-1002's. I believe these are 5V tubes and I'm interested if the sound quality might be on par with the LinLai 845DG tubes. I'm using the STR with my CSP3 preamp. Thanks.

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Lon on 03/08/25 at 19:22:42

I don't have and don't plan on having a Space Tech component, but i am using these tubes in my SEWE300B amplifier and really enjoy them. I got on to them from Will who also has been using them in an amplifier.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 03/08/25 at 22:29:05

LB, welcome to the club!

Both the Linlai 845DG and E-845 are great tubes. I'm curious about the PSVANE ART TIII 845 It's their new line above the Horizon line. I ordered a quad of the PSVANE ART TIII 6CA7 and a pair of ART TIII 6SN7. If I like them I might spring for the Art 845.

HK, I don't remember which 300B tubes I tried. In my limited experience the 845s are a bigger more expansive sound while the 300Bs are smaller. When I was talking to Al before purchasing he said the 845s will have the biggest most expansive sound stage too.

That said, you might fall in love with the 300B sound in the STR. It's a whole new wild ride to try tubes in for sure!


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/09/25 at 01:23:13


Quote:
Posted by: HockessinKid      Posted on: Today at 09:10:59

Hi friends, curious to see if anyone has tried the 2 x LinLai 7300B-D Titanium Screen D-Series Premium 300B tubes in their STR-1002's...


I have not used those particular tubes but I did try my Takatsuki and bargin Chinese 300Bs, as well as several "heritage" 5V rectifiers and none of them came close to the 10V triodes so I quickly sold off my adapters. But that is JMO/YMMV and all that.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 03/14/25 at 02:20:26

Exciting things are happening! Today I got a first look of my STR getting burned in and tested. Looks to be shipping early next week! WoooooHooooo!



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/14/25 at 04:40:28

Very nice! In other STR news my NOS 805 tubes were delivered today, but I’m out of town for a week so it will be a while before I can hear them.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by HockessinKid on 03/14/25 at 09:47:48

The wait is so worth it. Enjoy your new STR!

HK

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/14/25 at 18:06:37


Hey LB,

Congrats!  You will love this addition to your system. I have been exploring different tubes in mine this week, each pair sound great, although I do have favorites.

Tony

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Kamran on 03/14/25 at 19:31:09

Soo excited for you, LB!

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by duaneh on 03/19/25 at 22:22:44

Switched out the stock Cetron 3B22 tubes in my STR-104 for Psvane Treasure 2A3-Zs. 20 hours or so into their maturing and a subtle vail falls away, one I didn’t know I had. Cleaner highs/mids/lows, but the sound stage seems narrower. More time will tell.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/20/25 at 13:55:12

Hey duaneh, I'm curious about the 2A3-Zs as I not familiar with those. Let us know when you have had time with them. Tony

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Hearafter on 03/20/25 at 16:34:18

Keep in mind what component you use the 2A3 on as the are low watt tubes (6w) and if you use them as a pair in say an amp you could push them hard and shorten their life span considerably.  The 3b22 has 16 watts in comparison. In my Str-104, I used one single 2A3 with one 3b22 (or other higher 2.5 v tubes) with my Torii Jr and they sounded very good together.  Using two 2A3’s in a dac, pre or very low 2 watt amps should not be a problem.
Using 2a3’s in the str-1002 wouldn't apply as you would double them up with the adapter and use 2 per socket since they are 2.5v tubes.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/20/25 at 17:52:40

FYI there is a 6 volt version of the 2A3, the 6A3, that should work fine on the 1002 if you have the 300B adapter. It is lower powered (and lower cost) than a 300B and I doubt it would sound better, but that is JMO/YMMV and all that. Also agree they would only be appropriate in low power applications like a preamp.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 03/20/25 at 22:43:19

In a PM I told LiquidBlue I was going to borrow my brothers LinLai E-845 and give a comparison to the 845DG. I should get them this weekend, I'll report back with details about that later.

For a few months my brother and I have been talking about upgrading the umbilical cords. He has been playing around with his 3D printer and came up with a great looking umbilical. He used Furutech's FA-Alpha S21 cable. I'm hoping to finish mine using Kimber Kable TCSS-3 Braid. His looks so much better I'm thinking I'm going to wait for him to make me another end and use his vs the tube base I was going to use.




Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/21/25 at 21:51:04

Recent acquisition: A mismatched pair of NOS 805 tubes. One RCA and one United Electronics. I don't want to say much about the sound yet because its only been a few hours, but I'm optimistic that these will be keepers.



More to follow.



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/22/25 at 04:20:49

CA,

Is the photo a stock photo? My 805s don't attach at the top with a cable. Are there different types of 805s?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/22/25 at 19:11:47


Quote:
Posted by: Tony      Posted on: Yesterday at 20:20:49

Is the photo a stock photo? My 805s don't attach at the top with a cable. Are there different types of 805s?


These are the actual tubes in my actual STR. The original 805 spec has the plate cap attachment at the top of the tube. The more modern copies don't do that and are sometimes called 805A.

As for the sound, after about 24 hours burnin it is another WOW! moment. I've been on vacation and put these in as soon as I got home yesterday so its been almost 2 weeks since I heard the Elrogs and I'll need to put them in again, but these seem every bit as good, maybe better(!?!?!?). With semi-random tubes in my non-Decware preamp, to which the STR is attached, this is some of the best sound I've ever heard. These tubes sound big and bold, like the Chinese 805As, but the bass is solid rather than exaggerated with all the detail and transparency I could ask for.  

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 03/23/25 at 21:39:38

CAJames, Have you tried and NOS 845? How is the sound different from the 845s you have tried?

I just bought a pair of Shuguang Natural Sound 845-T. I love the Natural Sound 6CA7 and CV-181 so figured I would give them a try.

I got my new umbilical cable installed yesterday. Needs more burnin, So far I think it's a nice step up from the stock umbilical. I'll report back once I get 100+ hours on it.

This brings me to the comparison of the Linlai 845DG vs E-845. I have borrowed the E-845s Going put them in this week and give them a listen.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 03/23/25 at 23:38:12



My STR-1002-Super landed yesterday morning. It came with stock Linlai 805a tubes. I’m not sure what I can say without repeating what others have said and without sounding over the top, but here goes. I’ve had it running for about 11 hours on and off through the day yesterday, ending with an incredible late night listen, but was afraid to post anything then, for risk of sounding hyperbolic.

I had been going through many favorites through the day and every time I thought of putting down impressions, I’ve set aside the tablet, to just listen.

Hearing this album makes me want to try to articulate what I had been hearing through the day yesterday. I’ve loved Mad Season’s Above since it came out in the mid ninety’s. Last night I heard it in a way I never have (that was a common theme all day). Hearing it with newfound and profound beauty. I heard notes played with an intension and emotion, that I hadn’t picked up on until now, right from the first notes of Wake Up. Ghost notes on the drums, subtleties in picking on the guitar, or the buzz of guitar amps in the back of the room between notes in the quiet passages, like in November Hotel. All there. I feel like before, the music could bring emotion in me to cause me to like what I was hearing, to connect with the music. Now I feel like I’m there and am connected to the whole experience, to feel the emotion of the artist and to experience it anew. Yeah, that sounds weird or maybe nonsensical. It’s difficult to articulate this. Listening to River of Deceit, you can hear the space of the studio, like you're there witnessing Layne bear his soul and the pain of addiction, before he ultimately succumbed to it. You can feel the emotion. Everything is on another level. Tone, texture, clarity, blackness, dynamics, richness, density, realistic holographic presentation… all of the words. It’s there. Instruments are clearly separated, that you pick up on phrasing and notes and inflection that were always there, just hidden treasures in the mix. It’s all there now in clean layers of depth, width, height. I had to listen to side one twice before going to bed, it was so beautiful. I feel like I’ve had similar epiphanies when I settled in with my UFO25 and when I got my Omega SAMs. This was similar, but in a different way. This isn’t to say Steves amps are lacking in any way shape or form. Before this I was skeptical how my system could improve much. It was sounding really great and I was fully satisfied. The STR really allows Steves creations to show their stuff. It’s a perfect companion to help make everything else shine. With a casual ear it may sound great, but perhaps nothing extraordinary and may be overlooked, but to the discerning ear it will reveal magic. It reminds me of something Steve said about the SE84UFO25, when he was developing the amp. To paraphrase, at first glance it sounds very familiar to the standard amp, but when you sit in the captains chair and really key in, all this stuff starts to reveal itself. It’s an uncanny resolution and realism that is revealed with all of the amps power supply upgrades and tube regulation, etc. This is just like that, taken to the next step up. It blows my mind that a rectifier can do this. With that said, I think all of the anniversary upgrades are an important first step to get there, before this.




This afternoon I had to listen to Mad Season again, to make sure it wasn’t the bourbon at the end of the night talking. Nope, it’s all goosebumps and amazement.

I’m not sure I was able to bring anything here that’s not been said before, except if nothing else to provide one more data point. Day two and I can say this was a worthwhile addition to my rig and will be a companion to my CSP3 for a good long time. I’ve not yet tried it with the amp or tried the choke, but right now I don’t feel need. I’m just fine settling in with what I am experiencing right here. Now to try to pull myself away, to get out and be productive on this beautiful day…  :)


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/24/25 at 00:42:11


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Posted by: GroovySauce      Posted on: Today at 13:39:38

CAJames, Have you tried and NOS 845?


Negative. I've been on the lookout for NOS 845s and while they are out there, they are crazy expensive compared to NOS 805 or 211. I would love to try them, but I'd need to find a deal to motivate me. The 805s were 275 bucks each and  they sound sooooo good I'm not in any hurry to spend more than that. And I already have Elrog 845s.


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Posted by: LiquidBlue      Posted on: Today at 15:38:12

...I’m not sure what I can say without repeating what others have said and without sounding over the top...




Glad it is working out for you.






Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/24/25 at 00:56:35


LB,

Thanks for sharing the good news regarding your STR and the pictures are great. Enjoy the sounds.

Tony

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/24/25 at 21:26:58

So, who has used the STR with their UFO amp? Specifically has anyone tried it with two of the 10V triodes?

I've been emailing with LiquidBlue re: our STR experience and he mentioned he just tried his STR-1002 (with the stock 805 tubes) in his UFO25 and only got 12 mA on the meters and very low gain. I just tried it on mine and got an even lower reading on the meter. We were both using EL822 power tubes and wondered if that was an issue, but trying 6P15P tubes didn't change anything.

It is mostly an academic question for me, but it seems like based on ALs comments that 2 10V triodes ought to be plenty for a 2 watt SET amp. But apparently not. LB is going to contact AL, but I'm wondering about any other experience out there?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/24/25 at 23:21:41


Yes, I have sometimes used two 10 V tubes with the 300B. Reading the uV meters, I was at or slightly below 40mA, as I remember. I'll check that tonight and correct this report if it's wrong. When I added the choke, the needle rose to 50-ish. I'll confirm that, too. The added boost to audio is nice with the choke on, but it also increases the level of the 300B hum. Since that is an issue for me, I tend not to use it.

I should add that I am going directly the 300B, not to a preamp.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 03/25/25 at 00:15:58

The 10v tubes might be able to supply enough amperage however they have a lot more resistance than rectifiers that might be why there is a drop.

I've found even with 4x 845s in my amp they don't bias high enough for the power tubes.

Tony, that is flipped from my experience. When activating the choke the mA drops on the tube bias. When you say added boost to the audio can you describe that more?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 03/25/25 at 06:52:14

AL got back to me with this response. He has been so good with prompt responses to all my questions. Just great service.

your observation is normal, since 805A is a DHT power tube but not rectifier tubes, so the internal impedance will give lesser current supply to the amp and give out lower output power, to increase the current you can change to 845 or 211, but they are still DHT so will only goes to around 20mA or so. If you want to get full power then you will need to use the 872A rectifier tube instead, you can just use one 872A along with a 805A or 845.

This was all experimentation for me, to see how it performed with my amp and if it sounded any better/different. I’d intended to use it with my preamp and it works great there, in fact it seems to have a touch more gain, than with a regular rectifier.

So James, looks like you’re going mercury vapor then with the two STR’s for your mono’s then?? 😆

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/25/25 at 15:34:31


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Posted by: LiquidBlue      Posted on: Yesterday at 22:52:14

...your observation is normal, since 805A is a DHT power tube but not rectifier tubes, so the internal impedance will give lesser current supply to the amp and give out lower output power, to increase the current you can change to 845 or 211...


So I just tried my 211s and the current went up a little, but still just a fraction of "normal."


Quote:
So James, looks like you’re going mercury vapor then with the two STR’s for your mono’s then??


Not so fast...my fantasy (and it is still very much a fantasy) of getting STR-104s for my UFO25s is so I can use more of my collection of 5V rectifiers, which I'm sure will be fine. The 872A has the same pinout (with the top cap connection) as the 10V DHTs so that may be why AL suggested it. That and it is insanely powerful compared to "vacuum" rectifiers.



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/26/25 at 16:46:28


I returned and checked the mV readings for the 805 pair in the STR. These are 10v tubes. There was little change in the mV gauge with either choke on or off. Both were around 24 mA. Subjectively, I found the choke-on was more to my liking, but not at any significant level.

The 872A pair, which are 5V tubes, gave very different readings. With the choke off, the gauges read 52 mA. With the choke on, these numbers rose to 76 mA.

Both tubes, the 805 and 872A pairs, produced excellent sound. However, I have consistently preferred the sound of the 872A pair. They always impress me, and I do not tire of their sound over long listening periods. Next week, I will have a pair of 805s with the top cap, a tube I have not heard yet.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/27/25 at 00:23:24


Quote:
Posted by: Tony      Posted on: Today at 08:46:28

...Next week, I will have a pair of 805s with the top cap, a tube I have not heard yet.


Are those old-timey 805s?

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/27/25 at 00:43:25


Yes, old-timey indeed—or at least as old as the RCA ones that Brent Jessee could find in inventory. More recently produced Chinese versions were less expensive, but Brent's price ($90.00) was reasonable. I also figured that since this is the absolutely last thing that I am buying for my sound system for the rest of this year, I would get two. :)

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/27/25 at 02:32:39


Quote:
Posted by: Tony      Posted on: Today at 16:43:25

...I also figured that since this is the absolutely last thing that I am buying for my sound system for the rest of this year, I would get two.


Pass the candle.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/28/25 at 20:04:25


I received two 805 tubes with top caps from Brent Jessee today, one RCA and one Amperex. I have another pair of 805 tubes without top caps that sound fine but left me wanting more of that extra exceptional audio quality I have found in the 872A tubes. For me, the 872As were the hurdle the 805s needed to jump.

I think they did.

I need more time to go beyond first impressions, but first impressions are still important. These tubes were sensational in the STR. Tonight or tomorrow, I'll compare them to the 872A pair. That should be a fun comparison to make.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 03/28/25 at 21:15:43

Nice. My 805s have moved into the top spot as well.

Are your tubes new or used? It never occurred to me to check with Brent Jessee, I figured whatever he had would be very expensive. But $90 for a USA 805 is great, even if they are used. I need to stock up.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 03/30/25 at 08:30:37

Late night, lights out listen. A pair of Psvane 845 Art-TIII tubes arrived yesterday. Still too early to detail, but first impressions are very good. Excellent clarity, density, beautiful rich tone and exceedingly good soundstage. Bass is full, but was a touch boomy to start. Seems better tonight than yesterday, so maybe tighten up with more burn in. Very happy with these so far.



Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Bottlehead on 03/31/25 at 05:11:37

LB,

Those look like art. Or spaceships. I can’t decide which. Either way, I bet they are mesmerizing in a dark room.

Randy

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by Tony on 03/31/25 at 15:37:37


Over the weekend, I compared a pair 805 tubes to my reference pair of 872A in the STR, and judged the auditory results as a draw in my system. They both sound great. In other comparisons, I found the 872A tubes were more to my liking than the 211, 805, or 845, so it was a bit of a surprise to have the 805 pair sound as good as the 872 pair.

There are some advantages to the 805 as they don't present the same hazard as the mercury vapor 872A's, making them safer, perhaps for families and pets. On the other hand, they are harder to find, and more expensive than the 872A. Looking for US brands, I bought the last two 805s that Brent Jessee had in his inventory, selling at $90.00 each. A few other sellers on eBay were in the $75-100 range, but more often, sellers were asking around $250 or more. In comparison, 872A were less, between $30-40 each - and in some ads, even lower that. Chinese makers of the 805s are asking less for new production 805s, but I have not heard those.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/01/25 at 22:08:14

The Linlai E-845s have not been in use for a few months, meaning that if I played them for more time things might have changed.

Below are some rough notes I took while listening to the Linlai E-845 and Linlai 845DG

Linlai E-845

Wonderfully deep soundstage. Not particularly enveloping. delicate holography, a bit ephemeral not very solid. Bass is textured nuanced and taut not full. Upper mids through highs are smooth with plenty of detail.

Mids and highs really dance and shine.

Mids and highs have a nice touch of density.

delicate sense of space. (recording space)

Wish they provided a bit more weight in the bass and more density in the lower mids.

Overall a solid sounding tube that doesn’t do anything wrong.

LinLai 845DG

Super lively some bite on the upper mids and highs, Never harsh. Decent holography has a bit of density. More enveloping than the E-845

Not as deep soundstage as the E-845 a bit wider.

Bass is more full than the E-845

More enveloping than the E-845

Comparison.

The E-845s don’t offend. They are silky smooth top to bottom. Very delicate sounding.

845DG Have bite and drive. Solid wide soundstage, holography is more in your face.

for months I was running a 845DG mixed with a Linlai 845-T (black bottle) The 845-T smoothed things out a bit and filled in the bass nicely.

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by LiquidBlue on 04/02/25 at 02:31:53

GS thanks for the detailed review of those tubes! For my tastes, the higher end tube seems like they may not be the better fit for me, but the DG seems very intriguing. I want to run in these Art-TIII tubes a bit. They’re sounding better than from the start, but still perhaps just a slight touch dark, for my tastes. I’ve only had them in for about 40hrs, so I’m sure will season a bit more. At some point I’ll try a combo with my stock 805 to see what that brings.

Randy, well art is in their name and they could perhaps transport you to other dimensions, so… 🤷🏽😁

Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by GroovySauce on 04/02/25 at 14:12:21

LB, I would let the ART tube cook more.

I want to stress how long the E-845s sat without being played and I only have them on for 4-5 hours so I'm sure they would have opened back up and changed more. I'm guessing the bass would have slowly started to fill out. There is something really sweet about this tube.

Last night as the 845DG played more the bass became more solid and more holographic too.

I'm currently at 63 hours on the Natural Sound 845-T and I'm a big fan so far. Holographic and enveloping with a nice density top to bottom.


Title: Re: Space Tech Lab Super Tube Rectifier Arrived!
Post by CAJames on 04/27/25 at 04:12:03

There are still bargains to be had out there. I've been so happy with my NOS 805s that I've been on the lookout for backups. This is even though I expect they will last the rest of my life, just because you never know with tubes. I found a pair of used RCA 805s that according to the ebay listing were a little weak at 1000V, but I figure they would be fine at the few hundred volts my preamp needs. My offer of a hundred bucks for the pair was accepted and they arrived today.

My tube tester can't test the 10V DHTs so I have no way of verifying the test results, but I fired them up in the STR and they sound indistinguishable from the NOS tubes. Now they go back in their boxes, and if they never come out again that will be fine. But I'll sleep better knowing they are there.

I feel like unless I find a killer deal on USA made 845s, or I come into a bunch of money, these might be the last tubes I ever buy. Pass the candle.

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