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Tooppy

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My mistake
12/07/22 at 22:31:01

......may be....when I ordered my UFO2,1, I didn't bother for the XLR connectors and didn't ordered it.
Then I realise that my DAC is providing it as well as RCA of course.
- Anyone here could tell if there is a real big difference between the two ?
.....I just received it, I won't send it back for the mod because I am already addicted ! I just pinch myself if I made a big mistake ! [smiley=10.gif]

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23460	Re: My mistake Reply #1 - 12/07/22 at 22:38:49 Congrats on receiving the amp! To be honest I personally don't think you "made a big mistake". . . . If you have 2V coming into your amp to get it to full power and the sound is great, roll with it.
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CAJames Seasoned Member "I've run every red light on memory lane." Posts: 1652	Re: My mistake Reply #2 - 12/08/22 at 01:53:54 If you want balanced you can get a ZBIT rather than shipping your amp back for XLR inputs. It is actually more flexible because it has a gain adjustment and you can move it around your system, for example if you want a CSP preamp.
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23460	Re: My mistake Reply #3 - 12/08/22 at 02:44:46 That really is true, a great suggestion. I've hesitated to bring that up because the waiting list is just so long!
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CAJames Seasoned Member "I've run every red light on memory lane." Posts: 1652	Re: My mistake Reply #4 - 12/08/22 at 03:12:58 For stuff without tubes the wait is much shorter. At least that is the word on the street.
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johnnycopy Seasoned Member Posts: 114	Re: My mistake Reply #5 - 12/08/22 at 04:21:34 Don’t know why more people don’t buy used? Got a zrock2 and zbit weeks after starting my search.
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23460	Re: My mistake Reply #6 - 12/08/22 at 04:25:49 Well personally I'd say you got lucky. They are not up for sale that often.
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Kamran Seasoned Member Posts: 939	Re: My mistake Reply #7 - 12/08/22 at 04:50:40 Getting used Decware stuff is far from easy — even with automatic notifications. And of all the Decware stuff on the used market, the ZROCK2 makes a very rare appearance. You are extremely lucky to have snagged it weeks into your search.
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Dominick

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Re: My mistake
Reply #8 - 12/08/22 at 06:59:14

As others have said..the ZBIT would give you way more flexibility as opposed to adding it internally to your UFO2.

If you are serious about grabbing something used..Keep searching….I was lucky enough to snag a used ZBIT with dual stepped attenuators off eBay last week. It should be here tomorrow…so I’m super stoked.

Here’s a tip…..and a best kept secret…. I’ve seen a lot of stuff added to eBay at the wee hours of the morning here on the east coast. I snagged my ZBIT at like 4 AM. My unit came from California…so when it’s listed at like like 9 or 10 PM on the west coast….it’s early morning hours here on the east coast. In my line of work… I do graveyard hours overnight… so I’m constantly checking eBay at like 3 or 4 AM. I don’t believe the ZBIT listing I snagged would have lasted the day. Early bird catches the worm as they say. Good luck and set that early morning alarm.

Dom

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Tooppy

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Re: My mistake
Reply #9 - 12/08/22 at 11:16:16

You guys are fantastic, you know by heart Decware's products line !
So I have to look into it now. This is probably another 1200€ shipped to my place (yé, our governement takes XXXXXXX % taxes)....plus the DSR3 cords going with it !
The question is "is it worth it ?".....I guess I'll only know once tried out.
Returned experience on this anyone ?

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metropolis7 Seasoned Member Posts: 176	Re: My mistake Reply #10 - 12/08/22 at 17:41:03 My Cambridge CXN has XLR and RCA outputs. My SE84 has the XLR input option. My comparison was going XLR direct into the SE84 vs. RCA input from a ZROCK2. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but there you have it. The ZROCK combo won, and it wasn't even close.
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Tooppy

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Re: My mistake
Reply #11 - 12/08/22 at 19:48:55

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My Cambridge CXN has XLR and RCA outputs. My SE84 has the XLR input option. My comparison was going XLR direct into the SE84 vs. RCA input from a ZROCK2. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but there you have it. The ZROCK combo won, and it wasn't even close.
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Thanks for that reply. Definetly the ZROCK does its things. It would have been interesting to compare the CXN alone, with RCA and XLR.
My RME DAC is also a digital preamp and DSP, I can correct the curve nearly "at nauseum", so I don't need the ZROCK.

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Tooppy Seasoned Member Posts: 180	Re: My mistake Reply #12 - 12/08/22 at 20:08:08 Quote: To be honest I personally don't think you "made a big mistake". . . . If you have 2V coming into your amp to get it to full power and the sound is great, roll with it. I have no idea of the value, but thanks to reassure me. I find it excellent but could it be a lot better ? ....everlasting question ...
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23460	Re: My mistake Reply #13 - 12/08/22 at 20:41:00 Yes, that's the everlasting question, wondering if you could have and hear better. Just to be making things clear, the EQ you are able to apply is different than what the ZROCK2 can deliver.
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JBzen Seasoned Member Posts: 1377	Re: My mistake Reply #14 - 12/09/22 at 01:44:41 I bet your fancy dancie EQ DAC don't have this part. Quote: The part is a logarithmic control that increases with rotation ganged to a linear control that decreases with rotation. https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1669885337/7#7 Another Steve Deckert innovation. John
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johnnycopy

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Re: My mistake
Reply #15 - 12/09/22 at 03:42:10

For folks who are interested in used, I used hifishark which scours used sites as well as decware’s own used threads. Add in audiogon and wait.

You all know your projected wait time for new.

As stated my recent experience was weeks to months for the decware products I was targeting in mint condition. Now I may have been lucky but you don’t know if you don’t put a hook in the water.

In 40 years in the stereo game, I have bought new very seldom and as a result been able to afford to experiment more and with higher quality components than had I purchased new.

Same situation with cars here in Canada. Want a new vehicle, get on a waiting list. Again for me I haven’t bought new vehicles often in my life, almost exclusively used, allowing me to get much more car than otherwise affordable.

For those that love the feeling of cracking open THEIR NEW product, please disregard this message

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23460	Re: My mistake Reply #16 - 12/09/22 at 12:03:51 Good point, good resource for those buying used. Interestingly I looked on ebay and see four Decware items, the most I've seen at one time for a while, two amps, a set of speakers and a SUT.
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Kamran

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Re: My mistake
Reply #17 - 12/10/22 at 02:12:19

Hifishark is indeed an excellent resource and for the most part, well known. My historical observations (for the past year) indicate that Decware stuff seldom showed up and scoring said stuff challenging—amps have been listed and sold in a heartbeat. Even the daily notifications were too late.

That said, I too have noticed a marked increase in Decware listings of late and they are also lasting longer. I reckon folks are liquidating their gear to save up for Sarah!

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Sean

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Re: My mistake
Reply #18 - 12/10/22 at 02:46:10

I used hifi shark, but it never panned out for me. Things were sold by the time I got notification. I’ve bought two amps by getting lucky and refreshing pages A LOT. The first amp I got was posted for 29 minutes On eBay. The second, less than two hours on Audiogon. I got a ZP3 here on the site by posting a wanted ad, you never know who’s lurking with extra things not being used. In my case a user just got a new ZP3 so he let go of the one he was using while waiting.

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