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Beni

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ZROCK 2 experience
09/07/22 at 19:23:25

Last week I received my zrock 2 with all 25th Anniversary modifications. Initial problems due to the defect tube, could be eradicated with a new one. Thanks to Steve`s support the initial hum when the filter was activated could be eliminated by switching the ZROCK2 between source and preamp instead of preamp and amp.
The result is outstanding and exceeds my expectations by far.
Many thanks to the Decware team. I am already looking forward to the ordered power amps.

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GroovySauce

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Re: ZROCK 2 experience
Reply #1 - 09/08/22 at 14:33:38

Glad it was an easy fix. I encourage everyone have at least one extra tube per socket. After my ZP3 was sitting dormant for 6-9? months I had 2 bad 12AX7s.

My brother ZMA had 3 sets of bad input tubes in the first few months.

I found my ZROCK2 worked better between the source and preamp too.

Even at 12 o'clock the ZROCK2 adds a dollop of magic.

Are you going to have your coming amps in two different systems? Or want to see which you prefer then sell the other?

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Beni Verified Member Posts: 14	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #2 - 09/09/22 at 13:26:20 The idea is to evaluate which amplifier I prefer in my main system. Then I will use this in parallel with my Mcintosh amplifier. For me the tube amps and for my family the transistor amp for simplicity. The second tube amp will work in my small system with the Tune Tots.
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GroovySauce Seasoned Member Posts: 817	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #3 - 09/11/22 at 13:10:42 Good deal! What is the ETA for your amps? I'm looking forward to hearing how they work with the Sasha DAWs. Many years ago I had Watt Puppy 7/8s then Maxx 2's driven by VTL MB450s. I've always wondered what the Torii MKIV, UFO25th or ZMA would sound like on those speakers.
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Beni

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Re: ZROCK 2 experience
Reply #4 - 09/11/22 at 15:59:05

Wow the Maxx 2's powered by VTL MB450's sure were very impressive.
I am in position 150 on the waiting list. I think I will receive it in about 4 months.
I honestly hope it doesn't go too fast, so I could possibly trade in one of the two Zen SET 25th Anniversary amps for the new Sarah 300B.
I am looking forward to trying it out and will be happy to report on it
Kind regards
Beni

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GroovySauce Seasoned Member Posts: 817	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #5 - 09/14/22 at 11:48:54 It was impressive. Funny thing about that system, 4 dedicated lines run and generic PCs to everything. Now I consider power to be one of the most critical aspects to get correct. You might be the only one of 1,000+ people who hopes it doesn't go too fast! Ha! I get your reasoning behind it.
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Ahb3u Verified Member Posts: 18	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #6 - 10/16/22 at 19:39:42 Hey Groovy Sauce Did you try your ZR2A between your dac and the autoformer? How did that compare to between the zp3 and the autoformer? Andy
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GroovySauce

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Re: ZROCK 2 experience
Reply #7 - 10/17/22 at 12:29:18

My ZROCK2 has been modify extensively, it is radically different than the 25th modded ZROCK2 that came from DECWARE.

The ZROCK2 between the ZP3 and Autoformer works great. Between my DAC and autoformer I get a tiny bit of distortion, again my ZROCK2 has been heavily modified from Stock 25th Ann. My DAC outputs 2.9 volts and I might be used a higher gain tube. With a DAC that outputs 2 volts it works great.

ZROCK2 after the Autoformer makes more sense. That way it can be used with all sources. The 47k input impedance is high enough to not have any matching issues.

How long have you had your EMIA? Are you enjoying it?

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Doug Seasoned Member Posts: 274	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #8 - 10/17/22 at 18:09:38 Groovy, can you provide some detail around the additional mods on your ZR2-25?
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23497	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #9 - 10/17/22 at 20:11:33 Those are top secret special classified Will upgrades!
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Ahb3u

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Re: ZROCK 2 experience
Reply #10 - 10/18/22 at 03:05:50

I have had the EMIA silver and copper Elmaformer here on audition for 10 days or so. I saw Groovy Sauce post about it in the preamp for SE84ufo25 discussion. I got into a conversation with Dave Slagle who quickly set up the audition. I got them in just before I got the ZR2A in from Joman (a true gentleman).

So the EMIA units are awesome. The soundstage got twice as high and deep. They are so fast. Like steroids for the amp! My dac has balanced outputs to a zbit like device (so Vrms of 4.2). That’s great for the Elmaformer.

But like you have noted, that may be part of the reason I have had a bit of a hard time figuring out how the ZR2A fits in now. I liked the ZR2A fed by the zbit like transformer, but I love the EMIA Elmaformer. Both might be too much?

I am going to experiment some more with the ZR2A. I think I will keep the Silver Elmaformer although both the silver and the copper are great!

Andy

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GroovySauce Seasoned Member Posts: 817	Re: ZROCK 2 experience Reply #11 - 10/20/22 at 12:13:25 Quote: Those are top secret special classified Will upgrades! Winner winner! Ahb3u, I hear you. The EMIA Autoformer has its own magic. I really enjoy what the ZR2 does and brings. After the autoformer seem to be where it will end up.
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