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Dr3wman
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Technics SL-1200GR
10/26/21 at 17:17:11
 
Does anyone have any experience?  I am still on the hunt to replace my Rega P1 and have thought it might be fun to go the direct drive route, and at the same time have an absolute classic name/model.


I'd likely pair with an Ortofon 2M Bronze, or Nagaoka MP200.



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Reply #1 - 10/26/21 at 18:11:22
 
Funny you should ask!  lol

I've been posting about the Technics 1200 TTs here for a while now.  I started with a fully KAB modified 1200MkII and graduated to the 1200G.  These are exceptionally fine TTs.  The 1200GR fixed some of the original 1200 "flaws" and the 1200G took it to a whole nother level (although the G preceded the GR).  The speed of these is dead accurate and the noise can hardly be measure.  They are a joy to use given the absolute simplicity.  And don't discount the value of the built-in dustcover.  KAB has a few addons such as the tonearm fluid damping that are very worthwhile.

KAB is definitely partisan but Kevin's site is a good source of info.  Here's a link to some info/articles he posts.

http://kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/
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Reply #2 - 10/26/21 at 19:13:23
 
Archie -

That is good to know about KAB. I had heard about KAB, and wondered about the tone arm fluid damper and how much benefit I would actually see/hear.  

Does the silicone fluid attract dust? How much upkeep is necessary ?



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Reply #3 - 10/27/21 at 00:46:11
 
Somewhere on his site Kevin has either a review or a link to a review of the fluid damping.  People who can hear things better than I think it's quite good and well worth while.  As far as dust, after many years with the same fluid I had very little noticeable dust in it.  Keep in mind, the 1200s have a DC and I use mine always.  I've never heard a difference in sound with, without, up or down and even with a damping weight placed on the DC top when down.

Before I made my ring clamp, with just the fluid dampener I could track any warp, no matter how bad.  When I was making the peripheral clamp I asked Kevin about it vs the damper and he hands down said the damper was more important.  I use both.  BTW, getting a ring to fit the 1200 takes a bit of effort, especially while retaining KAB's damper.  I had to modify it slightly to get it all the clearances right.

The G and GR (I think) come with better footers than the original 1200s but additional isolation, IMO, is still a good idea.
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Reply #4 - 10/27/21 at 00:51:32
 
That is great to hear.  The GR appeals to me on so many levels.


I've got to get on the wait list for one... I'd imagine it will be at least 4/5/6  months..........even at that, it will still arrive before my Torii V........HAHA!
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Reply #5 - 10/27/21 at 01:12:40
 
When I bought my G a few years ago I called every seller on the vendor list until I found one -- and got a discount.
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Reply #6 - 10/27/21 at 02:07:02
 
Is the vendor list on the Technics website? It seemed to offer pretty limited info… most B&H… Of course Google can lead me to many other retailers, but a list is always handy.
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Reply #7 - 10/27/21 at 02:22:14
 
For the G, anyway, the list is fairly short.  Maybe they opened the GR up to more vendors?

A quick search turned up this in stock.   Grin

https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/Technics-SL-1000R-Reference-Turntable-Sys...
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Reply #8 - 10/27/21 at 02:25:42
 
I’ve encountered it on at least 10 websites, from mom and pop to big boys like Crutchfield, Hifi Heaven, etc. All back ordered. Im not ordering until years end, so I have time to explore options.
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Reply #9 - 10/27/21 at 06:52:32
 
I think this is where I bought my 1200G  They seem to have the GR in stock -- at least it lets me put it in my Cart with no OOS or BO warning.

https://www.gcaudio.com/products/technics-sl-1200gr-direct-drive-turntable-silve...
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Reply #10 - 10/27/21 at 21:53:10
 
Fantastic!  Thanks for the link!
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Reply #11 - 11/15/21 at 22:03:51
 
Archie -

Just bought one from the site you linked me to.  I liked the guy I called to ask about the supply status.  I am on a short waiting list, but I am excited.  Plus I'd imagine it'll be shorter than the Decware list I am on for my Tori V.  HAHA!

Almost went with a Planar 3 instead, but decided to stop faffing about and buy what I really wanted (Cry once).
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Reply #12 - 11/15/21 at 23:23:03
 
Awesome!  I think you'll be really pleased with the TT.  Check out the KAB arm damping if you haven't already.  I use a Mitchell Rega clamp with mine.  They are too pricey for what they are but they work really well with the Technics.  The Rega clamp is preferred to the standard clamp since the 1200 spindle is relatively short -- especially with heavy vinyl.  I also replaced the stock mat with a Herbies mat.  That's another good (but not required) tweak.
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Reply #13 - 11/16/21 at 23:44:38
 
Archie,

Do you think I'd see any benefit from sending my 1200GR directly to Kevin at KAB for modifications? Will there be many offered at this stage? The tone arm damper of course and maybe the Isonoe suspension footers , but I may also reach out to Kevin and see what he suggests.
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Reply #14 - 11/17/21 at 00:20:14
 
Those are both things you can add yourself.  The damper clamps onto the arm gimble and the feet just screw into the same  fittings that the stock feet do.  One thing that he offers is the tonearm re-wiring and the inner damping tube.  I doubt the wiring would be worth the expense but the arm damper sleeve might be good to have.  However, you'd have to rewire the arm to insert the tube.  My solution was to get some thin-walled surgical tubing and put it on the outside of the arm.  It was a little challenging to put the tube on but it cleared up the single resonance identified in the 1200G arm.  The 1200GR has several spikes.  Without damping I think every arm will have some resonance somewhere.  There are Internet references to applying heat shrink tubing to the arms and I did just that on my 1200 Mk2 arm but Kevin doesn't think this does any good and I tend to agree given my experience with the latex tube on my G.

The stock feet may be pretty good.  I don't know how the GR feet compare to the Mk2 or G though.  The Iso-noe are markedly superior to the stock Mk2 but the G feet are probably equivalent or better than the Iso-noe.  When I bought my Mk2 (from Kevin with tons of mods) he didn't recommend the Iso-noe footers until I could see how the table was in operation first.  I eventually bought a set years later but only for "insurance."  It's probably worth a call to ask him about some of this.  I'm sure by now that he's very familiar with the GR although he still seems to cater to the Mk series.
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Reply #15 - 11/17/21 at 21:37:37
 
All great suggestions!

I think I may live with the deck for 6 months before making any changes, just to get used to it, and its sound.

I see you have an Ortofon headshell, I'd been contemplating the Yamamoto HS-4 carbon as an optional replacement.  I assume you must be satisfied with the Oroto.

I think I have decided on a Nagoka MP-200 for a cart.
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Reply #16 - 11/18/21 at 01:28:18
 
In general you have a good plan.  With my G I played around with feedback and found a problem so I fixed it with the tubing.  Granted, to find the problem I had to artificially induce it at 100% gain.

The stock HS is good and has azimuth adjustment which is really nice.  The problem I have with the Technics HS though is that my cartridges have a nub on top which is supposed to sit on a flat surface.  The Technics HS has a recess in it that defeats this.  I do like the Ortofon HS but they too have issues.  I feel like they are too heavy so I drilled holes in mine to reduce the weight.  They also cause the cartridge to ride higher than the stock HS which throws off the height adjustment.  I made shims so that my cartridge now corresponds closer to the tonearm height adjusting ring gage.  Without the shim I couldn't lower my cartridge enough to level the tonearm.  I don't believe in exotic HSs either way.

That looks like a fine cartridge but before you decide, check out KAB's Concord.  I loved mine before I went to Moving Coil.  I have both the STY30 and STY40 and I don't recall hearing much difference on my Mk2 TT.

https://kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/
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Reply #17 - 11/18/21 at 02:43:08
 
I've been intrigued looking at the KAB options. The Reloop Concord Black Styl 30,  and the Super OM Styl 30. I assume you'd point me in the direction of the first one.
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Reply #18 - 11/18/21 at 02:44:42
 
The Fritz Geiger stylus seems to be pretty great.
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Reply #19 - 11/18/21 at 05:18:59
 
I think Kevin told me that the original Concorde was the OM in a unibody shell.  He also claims that the OM40 may be better than the Ortofon 2M Black.  If I were to go with the 2M Black, I'd get it in the unibody too.  It makes setup and alignment automatic and permanent.  Also fewer parts connecting to parts.
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