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New Torii MK V
07/12/21 at 02:50:22
 
Steve, can you give more details on the new Torii?
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Reply #1 - 07/12/21 at 19:14:25
 
It's in development.  I'll post some picks and full details when it's done.  Meanwhile for Torii MK4 owners who will ask...

The TORII MK4 with Anniversary Mods is not able to be further upgraded, it is at it's pinnacle.  The TORII MK5 is while similar, a completely different amplifier.  The fundamental difference between the two is MK4 is not ultra-linear while MK5 is ultra-linear.  I don't anticipate the MK5 being a sonic breakthrough over the MK4, but rather an easier amplifier to own and operate.  It will be FAR less picky about input tubes, and FAR less picky about what type of speaker you pair it with. That and appearance will be the only advantages it has over the MK4.  In fact I should imagine that a MK4 with Anniversary Mods will sound better than a MK5 bone stock.

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Reply #2 - 07/13/21 at 00:19:10
 
This new appearance has me curious.
Can't wait to see what it's going to look like.
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Reply #3 - 07/13/21 at 03:01:19
 
Yes it will be great to watch this development and hear how it sound by comparison.  

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Reply #5 - 07/14/21 at 04:37:03
 
I already want one of these!
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Reply #6 - 07/14/21 at 07:44:04
 
Damn….I love it!!

Besides moving the power switches to the front of the amp….I love the addition of the balanced inputs.  The overall design looks really clean.

When I enlarge the photo…I if my eyesight serves me right….I see wording that reads “Tube bias”….a nice big cutout to possibly house a meter….what else?  I’m envious.

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Reply #7 - 07/14/21 at 20:14:06
 
Steve sez he doesnt recommend headphone listening with the Torii [or the ZMA for that matter], which would have to be otherwise done with an adapter......only for the low powered amps.

Now that I found that out, my headphone listening days, few as they were, are going to be officially over. This Torii is far more important than having a great headphone amp short on power for speakers for about 50% of the music I listen to.

Speakers > headphones.

Looks like I'll have my Audeze LCD-3F phones up for sale sooner or later. Oh well, they come easy and they'll go easy.

Though it looks like a 4 pin XLR headphone jack is installed [?]

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Reply #8 - 07/14/21 at 20:25:12
 
2 input tubes per channel?

OC2 regulation tubes eliminated?

........something to do with the new ultralinearity?

muy interasante
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Reply #9 - 07/14/21 at 20:53:50
 
One input tube and one inverter tube, like the ZMA.

Does look like the OC2's have been eliminated.

That's a XLR jack in the back. Guessing that's an option similar to the ZMA.

I like how the input selector is between the RCA's for very short signal path.

Looks like the on the fly switching of the 4 or 8 ohm taps is going away in favor of a Ground and 4 ohm and 8 ohm binding post.

Is this the first DECWARE amp with the screw type fuse holders?

Interesting choice with the labeled volume pots. Is there going to be a new volume pot option? or, you don't need to count the clicks on the stepped and gold knobs?

One switch is labeled as bias is the other positive feedback?
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Reply #10 - 07/14/21 at 21:37:28
 
All makes sense, thanks Nigel  [smiley=thumbup.gif]
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Reply #11 - 07/14/21 at 22:48:54
 
The photo is black & white, not color.
Is that deliberate?
Steve, are you offering your Torii Mk 5 amp chassis in colors other than black!?
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Reply #12 - 07/15/21 at 01:27:50
 
Nice photos
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Reply #13 - 07/15/21 at 01:29:41
 
When will be expetecd?
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Reply #14 - 07/15/21 at 04:10:20
 
Seeing that preview photo, I may have to reconsider my knob choice and go with the cream chicken head instead of the gold round. This is so exciting!
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Reply #15 - 07/15/21 at 17:39:57
 
jspot, I would imagine the development is very close to being completed, as there are MK IV orders looming on the waiting list......hopefully Steve will chime in here.
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Reply #16 - 07/17/21 at 04:57:54
 

Yes, with dual volume, chicken head knobs is recommended.

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Reply #17 - 07/17/21 at 20:18:36
 
Alright, dual volume controls - fantastico!!

Steve......what was the reason for deleting the 0_2 tubes?

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Reply #18 - 07/18/21 at 02:36:37
 

Since the amp is ultra linear, there is no need to use OA3 for the screen grid because that grid is connected to the ultra linear tap of the output transformer.  So I will use the OA3 for the input tubes instead of the OC3.

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Reply #19 - 07/18/21 at 02:44:26
 
Thanks Steve

What makes this new Torii different from many other ultralinear amps? I've had a bit of a bad taste in my mouth after experiencing ultralinear in the past, and I've read similar from others.....many can tend to be a bit edgy.

I have to admit, I was a bit reticent by your mention of this.....can you set me straight? To me, this could be a big deal.....or not.
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Reply #20 - 07/18/21 at 02:50:46
 
Also, any idea approx. when the MK V will enter into production and you'll be making the big announcement / set up a page on your site with all the details?
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Reply #21 - 07/18/21 at 05:22:11
 
Well to answer your question about when will it go into production... little things like the present stand off between myself and the meter factory are adding weeks.




The Top View is ready for production now. The bottom view is an idea I had and it is being rejected. We are in negotiations. I'm going to cave because we have to go into production. However, if I can't have colors I will back light the meters as standard fair to make up for it.

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Reply #22 - 07/18/21 at 05:26:06
 



click on the image to see full resolution.

So here we are at the beginning stages of the layout and by that I mean wiring layout... Internal parts layout.

This is by far the hardest part of the amp design...  because you are not only considering the voltage paths of everything and the associated magnetic fields, but how easily can it be copied, how easily can it be repaired aka a part be replaced, and how well can it handle 90G impacts during shipping.

As you can see, the layout is symmetrical from the left channel to the right channel.  At this stage we are just wiring all the transformer wires to get them out of the way so we can focus on building the amp.

Over the years what you are looking at is what has become my preferred build style.  I use nylon stand-offs with internal threading (4-40) to receive plated copper eyelets.  This is a bomb-proof design that never comes loose, bends, or caves to the 90G shipping impacts.  It costs a bit more, each white stand-off is almost a buck.

The reason for tonights photo is that it occurred to me as I was soldering this that the ground buss is a factor in the design of all dual mono Decware amplifiers that might be worth chatting about.

There is a 6 inch solid copper 12 AWG wire running down the exact center of the amplifier -- this is the audio ground buss.  The steel chassis will be the shield.  A 10Ohm 5 watt ceramic resistor and a capacitor in parallel will bond the audio ground to the earth ground that is directly connected to the steel chassis.

This ground buss will become the center of a star ground for the entire amplifier, or should I say amplifier(s). The TORII MK5, MK4, MK3, MK2, MK1 have all been dual mono, so that means that it is two complete and separate amplifiers sharing the same chassis.

Naturally the question becomes how is this different than two separate mono blocks? The answer is the ground, and power cord.

Frankly the only thing two power cords can do is offer an opportunity for the resistance between the two to vary. That creates to ground busses that have a small potential between them. That's a recipe for noise and hum and some other nasties.

And in part because of the power cords, the tension of the IEC connectors, the recepticals, and the lengths of each side, and what it runs next to all plays a part in the sound of the amp.  Besides noise, it can effect imaging.

Having a single 6 inch copper audio ground buss for both amplifiers, centered between the amplifiers with exactly the same length of wires between each channel relative to that buss and everything else sets up a potential for much tighter imaging focus and blacker backgrounds.

Our Zen TORII MK1~MK5 as well as the ZMA are all built this way, with a very deliberately symmetrical and exactly balanced audio ground buss that floats  slightly above earth ground helping it to reject noise and at the same liberate it from earth just enough to create a bit of flex that adds some life to the dynamics of the amplifier.

So while in this picture it looks like almost nothing has been done yet, it reality almost everything has been done.  Now it's just the details.

The NC wires you see on each channel are the various voltage taps for the world voltage power transformers... that way the amplifier can be easily re-wired for 100 volts, 115 volts, 120 volts, 220, 230, 240 volts 50/60 HZ.  Many of our customers live oversees for several years and then move back home for their job.  This makes it possible to have the amp wired for any voltage.

The switches you see, are all DPDT silver contact switches, the best Mountain brand for over 20 years.  These are always used in Decware amps and wired with both halves of the switches in parallel so that there is never less than two separate contacts on every switch.  We don't have any SPST switches like this in the building.  

So as you study this image, and see the transformers both fully wired except for one wire on each side, it is time to study the schematic, (there isn't one) and each and every part (resistors/capacitors) and exactly how it's going to be placed in 3D space.

The wires you see bundled together are alternating current of different voltages. By wrapping them the field interaction smears the phase angles and helps homogenize the ripple.  Rectified and filtered DC lines will be clear of these AC wires with nothing but air and space around each feed in 3D space.

3D Space is about magnetic fields around each wire, part lead, and part.  On a circuit board the board combines with each part to add capacitance and the fields follow the flat traces creating a fairly 2D interaction on those fields. It is able to be calculated whereas 3D space is not, only in the mind of the guy who lays the parts out in the working bench sample, which is what you are watching develop here.

I will be leaving these images at their 5 Megabyte size so that when you click on them you can see details that simply don't live in the 800 pixel images in this post.

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Reply #23 - 07/18/21 at 06:23:32
 

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Thanks Steve

What makes this new Torii different from many other ultralinear amps? I've had a bit of a bad taste in my mouth after experiencing ultralinear in the past, and I've read similar from others.....many can tend to be a bit edgy.

I have to admit, I was a bit reticent by your mention of this.....can you set me straight? To me, this could be a big deal.....or not.


Probably everything... I think if you watch this thread develop as this amp gets finished you will be able to answer you own question.

If you can't wait, read the review in Tone Audio Magazine about the Zen Mystery Amp.  It is ultra linear and he suggested it was better sounding that both WAVAC and Shindo amplifiers which are 10X the cost.  I will be using the same 6N1P based Long Tail Splitter on this amp as I did the ZMA.

Steve : )

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Reply #24 - 07/18/21 at 13:18:25
 
outstanding.

thanks Steve, for that fascinating write-up.
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Reply #25 - 07/18/21 at 13:20:41
 
Steve,

Wow! Another amazing design, layout and build forthcoming. I really appreciate the thoughtful approach you bring to upgrading Decware amplifier offerings.

I hope all the Torii MKIV amp buyers in the que appreciate the fact they'll be receiving this updated version. Good luck with finalizing the build and putting this into production.  I'm sure it will prove very popular.

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Reply #26 - 07/18/21 at 14:10:26
 
HK,

You’re exactly right, as a Decware first-timer, and being one of those in the que for a Torii IV, I could not be happier or more impressed. My brother-in-law has been a Decware devotee for years, and I’ve been waiting eagerly to be able to finally join the club myself.

The 7/8 month wait will definitely be worth it.
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Reply #27 - 07/18/21 at 15:45:28
 
Agreed, gentlemen. I am officially ecstatic and uber-appreciative!

Steve is a certifiable genius.

The wait will be far more than worth it.
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Reply #28 - 07/18/21 at 17:36:11
 
Steve,

What an amazing design!!  Just when I thought this amp has reached its pinnacle, you come along and drop  a bomb.  If I already didn’t love my MKIV 25th, I would sell it and jump back into this new design.  

For those on the waitlist, congrats on getting this that this major upgrade.   I wish I could have attended Decfest this year to see and hear this new amp in person.  

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Reply #29 - 07/19/21 at 16:42:31
 
Steve,

I can understand if you are not prepared to release all of the details yet, but  should we expect the Torii V to remain at 25 watts?

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Reply #30 - 07/20/21 at 04:20:46
 

Yes, It will be rated at 25 watts, just as before.

The external fuse holders are four times the cost of the internal rectifier fuse board that we presently use however since a fair number of people have actually blown the internal fuses on their amplifiers over the years when a rectifier tube miss-behaves, I thought I would try something new and make them external.

Additionally, the mains fuse is now dual, meaning one per channel.  This will help you diagnose amplifier problems by seeing which channel took out the fuse and which fuse it was.

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Reply #31 - 07/20/21 at 06:08:58
 
Wow Steve, that is fantastic. The great news on this new masterpiece keeps pouring in!

Can't wait to read all the juicy details on this shrine when the time comes, which hopefully is very soon!

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Reply #32 - 07/27/21 at 19:26:25
 
Hello to you all and i'm sorry to come back that late. I only wanted to check the amplifier waiting list and then saw this topic.

That's amazing! It seem to me that some members who replied to this post and are on the waiting list with a TorIIMKIV expect to be automatically upgraded to the MKV. I somehow can't believe that this is possible without an additional payment for the upgraded parts like the fuse box, balanced inputs a.s.o.

As the new MKV is not yet finished and someone wants an upgrade to MKV, will there be a step back on the waiting list?

And the waiting list. I checked it nearly every day, at work or at home. At home with a decade old Imac, at work with an actual version of a windows PC. If i click the link (at home or at work), a blank window opens, a black Decware image with a black thin loading line below that runs from left to right is shown. After a second everything is gone, but the list won't show up, refreshing the site won't help. Until now i had no difficulties.  :-[

I know that this won't fit in these topic, but as i'm also waiting for some month now and my solid state amp is defect, i only listened to the kitchen radio and on the way to work in the car. Well, that is not funny and somewhere else i found a topic with recommendations on cheap tube amps to get over the waiting time. The small little amp that was posted there was nowhere available. I looked around and found a cheap used tube amp, which sadly seems also no longer available new and i don't know the price for a new unit. I paid 235 € with two new additional PSVANE EL-34 B tubes.
It is a Gemtune-X1 amp. Never heard of that brand before. It's small and puts out 2 x 8 Watt. I didn't expect much, but even with stock power cord to me, the amp sounds amazing. It has only one input, but with an additional add-on input switch, maybe remote controlled if something like that exists, anyone can build a very cheap system that sounds really fine with fitting speakers. The amp has speaker outputs for 4 and 8 ohm (only banana plugs). I took out the fuse box and it even  contains a second fuse for replacement! Can't recall any amp that i have seen or read about that offers that. Please take a look at the image of the amp.

Did somebody read the review of the Doshi Audio Evo monoblocks in the May issue of stereophile? $ 40.000 for the amps and the power knob on one of them is out of order? Absolutely unbelievable, and i definitely don't like the design of it too, but that's a matter of taste.

And one last question. Anybody gave some thoughts on how to keep the tube amp dust free or the best way to clean the amp? I don't think that you want to take out all tubes every month or so to clean the device. I thought about using an air pressure can in one hand and the vacuum cleaner in the other to collect all the dust from the air, but i haven't tried that. I place a lightweight cloth over my turntable when it is not in use. But that is also not the best solution. An acrylic hood seems also not practical, as my amp will not have a place on top of the rack. So that won't work for me. Any ideas welcome and much appreciated.
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Reply #33 - 07/27/21 at 20:19:38
 
You had better believe Steve when he says that those who are waiting for a Mk IV to be built will get the Mark V at no additional charge. He only says that when he means it.

Most Decware components come with an extra fuse in the receptacle as well. The only one I've never seen is the ZTPRE which uses two separate long fuses, one for each channel, and they are not in the IEC inlet.

I don't have an item on the waiting list, but when I click the link it opens up for me. Be sure to cut and paste the ENTIRE link that I pasted on another thread as the system only created a hyperlink of most of it, with the final part not underlined thus not a full link that would open.

Repairs and modifications to existing Decware components are a different matter than new builds--they get pretty immediate attention, most turn arounds are two weeks or so. Of course the Mk IV to Mk V mods of this component may be a different matter--they may not be tackled until production models are fully completed.
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Reply #34 - 07/27/21 at 21:30:11
 
Hello Lon,

when i read through the post i haven't seen, or overread the statement that there are no additional cost for an upgrade. If so, wow, Steve, thanks a thousand times! Sorry and i'll reread the complete post again.

I had no idea if the Decware amps come with replacement fuses or not, and i don't think that this is an important issue. It was only remarkable for me, to see something included in such a cheap amp.

By now i can only say that "most" components, regardless of price, come without a second fuse.

Thanks for the fast reply and good night, good evening or good morning for now. (here it is 10:30 p.m.)
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Reply #35 - 07/27/21 at 21:45:13
 
I haven't yet located the post where Steve says that those on the order list will receive the new Mk V version--that was in another thread.  I will only say that any time Steve has said that those on the waiting list, or those that order before a product page is up, etc. there has been no extra charge for the customer, to my knowledge.
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Reply #36 - 07/27/21 at 21:47:56
 
Lon - From the Decware Concept Speakers post:

"Yes, there will be a TORII MK5 once the steel gets here. Everyone with a recent TORII MK4 on order will be getting a MK5 at the MK4 price. It's going to be sweet. I made the TORII JRv2 so good there was really little incentive to move up to a TORII MK4, and sonically the incentive won't be huge over a TORII JRv2, but visually and in other ways it will be worth the extra bucks.

If not for all the delays in supply lines this amplifier would have been in the final stages of listening in the production chassis by now. Nothing I can do about it but wait for chassis."
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Reply #37 - 07/27/21 at 21:49:35
 
Thanks for identifying that post Dr3W.
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Reply #38 - 07/27/21 at 23:16:13
 
Keeping the amps clean, Steve suggests using a soft bristle paint brush and brush the dust off. I also suggest a HEPA air filter that is rated much larger than the room. Run when you are not listening to the system.

I have an APPJ el84 amp 3.5w I use with the tiny radials. I bought it used for $85 shipped with two sets of tubes. it’s a great little amp for less than $100! Tomorrow I’m loaning it to my sister for her Caintuck F15’s because the Bluesound Powernode “doesn’t sound good” and she wants some of that “sweet tube magic”. She got spoiled by borrowing a UFO25th for a few months.

APPJ and Gemtune are the same products AFAIK.

There might be some confusion about the 2 fuses, or only I am Smiley . Most of the modern DECWARE amps have the standard IEC fuse, and a fuse protecting the amp if the rectifier blows. The CSP3 has 4 fuses actually.

The MKV has the "rectifier" fuse is now relocated for easy access. MKIV you needed to remove all the tubes, RCAs, speaker cables and PC. Then unscrew all the screws and take the amp apart. The amount of high voltage caps can kill a person who doesn't know what they are doing. vs a simple push and twist to remove and check / replace the fuse.
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Reply #39 - 07/28/21 at 01:59:31
 
Right, there are three-fuse boards inside many of the Decware components. But there is an extra main power fuse stored inside the IEC input housing.
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Reply #40 - 07/28/21 at 02:06:58
 

Monday morning our online software (ZOHO) updated itself and many of the features we rely on disappeared, and other things changed.  Basically access to our data was held hostage.  But worse, even when the yearly ransom was paid we had to spend two days fixing everything. This included the build sheet. And the old link quit working. That alone had our phone ringing off the hook for two days. Anyway, here is the new link to the real-time build sheet:

https://creatorapp.zohopublic.com/decwarehighfidelity/decware/report-perma/Ampli...

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Reply #41 - 07/28/21 at 21:06:18
 
Steve, when are the MK V chassis due in?
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Reply #42 - 07/30/21 at 05:38:53
 

I have them now.  I am about half-way through the build of the first production sample.

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Reply #43 - 07/30/21 at 05:40:41
 
Beautiful!
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Reply #44 - 07/30/21 at 05:53:14
 

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This is the magical point where all the transformers are installed and the long wires from each are buttoned up and we are now ready to actually build the amp...

The UFO output transformers feature silver plated copper wire with Teflon, and we makes the leads so long that when we cut them to length for the build, we have enough left over to wire all the critical parts of the signal path and ground path in silver.  So the blue, blue/yel, brown, brown/yel, red, light green wires are all silver/Teflon.  This represents the pates and cathodes of the output tubes and the transformers between the tubes and loudspeaker.

So the next step is to begin installing the filter caps.  I will be using an Atom Sprague 8uf cap for each channel as the first section and then 47uf/500V F&T German caps for the rest.  Everything is dual mono, so everything is done twice.

As you watch this evolve and the layout I hope some of you will intuitively see why it so superior to using circuit boards, which you can imagine how much they would simply the build.








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Reply #45 - 07/30/21 at 06:02:10
 
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So here we are totally focused on individual parts of the circuit... the filter caps, the bias circuit, the ground buss...

It laid out nicely, as though it were meant to be.

Now time to lay out a kick ass cathode circuit... after all that is a vital component in the signal path.  So hear it is, a master piece, all sliver and so simple.  The two large blue 10W wire wound resistors and the yellow silver Teflon wire connecting to pin 8 of each output tube.



Yes, it was a glorious moment as my mind went into how simple that came out and how good it was going to sound... then a bit of reality set in.  This isn't a TORII JRv2.  I have a bias meter that has to work for all four tubes or each tube separately, or in combinations.  Hmmm wish I had a little less focus sometimes.







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Reply #46 - 07/30/21 at 06:12:21
 
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A few changes...  Each tube has to have it's own bias resistor so the big blue ones are gone, and now we have black 6.5W DALE wire wound resistors for each tube wired to a silver contact switch using a DPDT switch for each tube so that we can parallel both sides of the switch to double the contact area and current rating.  Silver wire connects the cathodes of each output tube to the resistors which are directly wired to switches.  The switches allow the user to connect the cathode to meter one tube at a time, a pair of tubes at a time, or all of the tubes at once to see the current draw.  They also can connect directly to ground bypassing the meter at which point the meter reads zero.

In this sample the meter is not made by us, so it is not back-lit nor is it colored like the illustrations I showed earlier.  But it will work and look great until our custom meters arrive.





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Reply #47 - 07/30/21 at 06:21:50
 

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See, the 3D layout of the parts where you go both horizontal and vertical and at oblique angles keep the ora (magnetic field) of each part from getting squashed.

The yellow and red wires tied to the black wire (ground) are AC wires that are pre-filtered. So the closer you bundle them the more the fields cancel and the better ripple reduction and overall noise cancellation you get. The ground wire is a drain for those fields so they have somewhere to go other than into your audio signal.

There are times to bundle wires like this, and then the opposite is required when dealing with the signal path. I have seen countless amplifies where both are tied together to make the inside of the amplifier look neat, but mixing the two is guaranteed to ruin the sound.

Also in this and all Decware Designs, we do not use the chassis for a ground buss. No audio signals enter it, instead we use copper and silver wire to have total control over eddy currents that flow in large conductive plates. Our chassis is used as a shield connected to Earth with the audio ground completely separated.

All Decware amps are made this way.


















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Reply #48 - 07/30/21 at 07:58:55
 
Steve,

I’m sitting here at work in awe! This amp will be kickass when it’s done!!  If it were possible… I’m sure all of us would love to see a few video clips of this build as you work on the amp….just as long as it doesn’t  give away your trade secrets.  Either way…please keep the posts coming!!

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Reply #49 - 07/30/21 at 16:23:01
 
Steve,

Wow, seeing how intricate all of this is (at least to a layman) leads me to wonder, with an amp like the Torii V.......once it's in full production, roughly how long does it take to build up to the QC portion?  
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