Top of page 8 🤮..So, started on small page 10 on June 6. 3 months and 2 pages of movement. My math says another year from now. Not sure I have the stamina. Been looking into alternatives.

Haha I am checking it less frequently lately but being in the low 200s feels good since there are 1800 people on it now holy smokes.

I just hope they let me know when they take the money for the amp haha I don't even know if the CC I used is valid any more  :-?

Based on my experience (with speakers, not amps), they send an email when it's ready. It includes a link for shipping and payment preferences.

I think they contact you when your order is ready to build to check up on options and whatnot or to make changes to your order (they used to allow you to add on to the order, but they wisely ended that option).

I've been keeping track of queue movement for 33 weeks now. Whatever representative slice I take out of the numbers (e.g., the last 8 weeks which included Decfest -- 0 units shipped that week, as well as a record 20 units shipped in another week) I get pretty much the same moving average: 10.X units shipped/week.

10.X units/week seems to be a kind of equilibrium or base rate for DW as a manufacturing operation over time.

I suspect there is an east Illinois lifestyle factor here in addition to the capacity thing. The line is something people can step away from whenever life intervenes, not a job where you have to show up every day. Wife's got a baby on the way. Woodshop tools need sharpening. Had to get the truck fixed and it took me all damn day.

Adding staff then just makes it easier to step away. R&D. Trips to the doctor for the kid. Had to fix the roof. Can't make it today. That's OK.

All of this is called "real life," which will intervene as much as you let it. What it isn't is a job you gotta show for at 9 every morning, five days a week.

Funny, all the other places I order from seem to operate like a job. Even where the products are built to order the wait time is weeks, not years. I ordered a Decware amp a year ago; it now looks like it will arrive in early 2024. Holy crap.

It's not a matter of "too long" but rather "maybe too long for me." I have a life too, and by 2024 I fear it will have taken me somewhere else, with some other amp from some other company that has come up with something judged excellent, and it's available in les than 2+ years. Job.

Greetings of the season. All I can say is I'm really hoping the Great Flywheel doesn't turn out to be more like the Great Pumpkin.

You are right! I changed my amp order 3 times, and changed one other order too. But that was in the first 3 months...

Y’all stop being so analytical. It is what it is. Forget about it, and it’ll be here before you know it

https://www.finder.com/uk/find-out-your-odds-of-dying

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Odds of dying? 1.00

If you have a nice system already you could, I guess, order from Steve and just forget about it until delivery.

Trying to build a system with DW is sheer torture, but not solely because of the wait. It's also because there seems to be zero sense of urgency on the DW side about all the orders. Yep, I think Steve finally decided he should up production -- by 50%. That's about as far as he is willing to go, because he doesn't want to spend all his time tending the business. That might mean missing the next miracle from the Audio Gods.

This is part of the DW experience. It's like Fight Club, where you stand outside the door for days. You think Steve will move to solve the "problem" of too many orders -- you think he will react the way you would, and lay awake at night worrying about his LOYAL CUSTOMERS -- but after standing on the porch for 12 months you realize that not treating this like a business is the whole point.

This reality takes a while to wake up to. Then, you realize it's all OK. One day you will have your DW amp and 1) you will be in heaven and the waiting will be as if in a dream and 2) you know you will never order from Steve again except for cables. This is the future he planned for you, who are you to second guess him? He wants you to go on with your life and stop thinking about the Next Order.

Besides, that waiting time lets you change your amp order three times like  I did. Good god, if DW had shipped right away I'd have THE WRONG AMP.

I was there for part of the discussion with Steve and the new tech that John alluded to (only missed the inside baseball on DancingSeas amp—not sure what that drama is about).  It was impressive to see how enthusiastic that tech was about driving in to Decware everyday to do what he loves to do.  This is a small business and you can’t always hire yourself out of a problem.  In fact, overdoing it can lead to other issues such as quality control.  I rather Steve and team take a deliberate approach to sustainable expansion and continue to focus on the love and attention to each unit they build.  Their goal : Let’s make sure the amp does not need to come back for repairs—and if I recall correctly, their batting average is pretty stellar on that front.

The building a system scenario is my situation. I’m not as light hearted about the waitlist. I was told about 12 months and it will be more like 2 years.
Please understand though, it’s nobodies fault. These are unforeseen good problems that Decware has. Glad to see Steve’s hard work and quality product getting the recognition they deserve, and hopefully financial benefits.
For many I suspect and for me personally, this means moving on. I’m not angry but perhaps a tad bitter. I still have one spot left which I will use for a back up amp. I did debate using all 3 spots and just selling 2 amps but didn’t feel right about it. So, I gave up 2 spots and won’t build a Decware system. Sucks but there’s other great equipment out there.

I would do it the right way and rewire it myself, or get advice on how to.

But that's just me.

Brad

Earthbound,

Until you decide on another brand, keep your eyes on the classifieds here. You might just luck out, and find a good one there. And already broke in, and ready to play.

You have to be quick though - they don’t last long!

Best,

Geno

Thanks Geno. Will do. Check every now and again but will make it a habit to check with coffee each morning. 👍

For my order of speakers, they sent a notice with a link to pay. Doesn't have to be the same credit card/pay pal.

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It took 2 months (and many many later orders getting posted) before my order was on the list. Don't worry, you have plenty of time and when your order gets posted it will be in line at the time you placed your order.

From approximately Spot #500 forward, at least, the queue continues its rock-steady (as measured over the last 10 months) 4-week moving average of 10.XX units shipped per week. Like a heartbeat. This average pace seems fairly resistant to efforts to increase it. Very stable/reliable.

I ordered a year ago and will take delivery a year from now. When I ordered, the queue was just under 1,000.

No more 2-year journies for me.

I placed my order on 10/16/2021, so I am just over 13 months on the list.

I started out at 925, and have just made it into the 200's - 294 to be exact.

So, I optimistically calculate that I should have my amp by the end of May?

I can do that time standing on my head

Solve for the following:

2 years/[76.1 years - Your Current Age]

where 76.1 years = average lifespan of a US male

and tell me 2 years from order to delivery is not a big chunk of time. I mean, a year, okay, but...

Your lifespan may vary. In my case the ratio is 25%. THAT is why I say I'm not buying another component I have to wait 2 years for.

Decware audio is a young man's game.

Parts Pulled today!!
For my zrock it took a month to go from parts pulled to shipped so I expect my UFO by January (maybe late January including holidays.

I ordered July 2021 and I was around 700/710 back then. it took a year and a half. With the current waiting list it should take just a bit more than 4 years. I will probably place an order for a se34 next year or maybe the UFO will be my last amp as I’m sure it will be great.

Congrats!

109 on the list now.

Whoo Hoo!

... Well I checked today Dec 12  and: #42!!!!
Yeah!

So my UFO will be a 2023 new year presents to myself!
:-)

I see that Sarah updated my order to Cherry wood and top level mod.
Very happy.

How fitting,  as we are just finishing the 'renovation' and tooling of the shop so I will be able to build my Lii F15 OB speakers just in time to pair with the UFO.

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