Excellent contribution Michael! Great information.

DS, I gotta say, you put in a lot of time worrying about how Steve runs his company.  

Well, let us put on our thinking caps for a moment.  A quick peek shows that there are somewhere around 80K+ posts on these forums.  I didn't count them all, just a rough estimate from the main page.

And within those 80K posts, a wide swath of topics have been covered.  I assume most are out of interest, rather than any particular worry or fear.

It gets rather boring to me to read posts that say "I started at 900, and now I'm at 748".  There's nothing wrong with such posts, but they hardly challenge the intellect.

MichaelG's analysis and observations about the nature of Decware's business were far more interesting than the usual fare.  His post got me to thinking about the business side of this discussion.  It doesn't require a high Mensa score to see that there is a very real correlation between the massive size of the waitlist and the functioning of Decware as a business, all things that MichaelG shed some light on.

Thus in the spirit of interesting discussion, I've merely responded to what Michael wrote.  And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that how the forums work???  That someone writes something, and then others respond?  You know, like a discussion.

Or does it work some other way to you guys?

I have no personal "worry" about Decware's operation or viability.  But MichaelG did bring up some interesting points and I find discussing those interesting.

But perhaps that is too challenging for you guys?  Perhaps "I ordered at 900 and now am at 748" is all you can intellectually handle?

I prefer a free-for-all, wide open, blows the doors off and see what it goes type of discussion.  Otherwise it gets boring to me.

But if I have rattled any mental insecurities, please accept my sincere apology....

And may I add, even IF he needs to raise prices across-the-board even for existing orders...that is his business.

John

Partnerships increase risks.

John

You see it on shark tank all the time.  How does a successful company of size x move up to size y when they want to scale.

Question is what does Steve actually want?

What are his aspirations for this company?

What is success for him and what does he enjoy?

This company imho is Steve.

And by the way, Steve announced that he had hired a new tec at least two months prior to that glowing you tube review that initiated the flood.

I am pointing this out for those who thought Steve was sitting on his hands and only commenced more hiring by force of their badgering him to do so. After all this melodrama I can see why he would be disinclined to provide progress reports. "Right! Glad he's doing what I told him he should do!"

Decware was aware of the oncoming expanding wait list sometime before it happened (though I'm sure they were taken aback by the magnitude), and has been addressing the situation ever since. But in this society where instant gratification is expected in all matters, not fixing the wait time issue in two months means it ain't happening.

We've been shown all these good pics at view from the underside of the Torii MKV, the Torii Jr.V2, the ZMA, etc., and I look at all the parts and all the precision of pathways and connections. And I wonder how long it takes to go from tranee level to full production level building such gear.

so close.... seems like there is a hold up with ZBITs and ZLCs

Thanks Beerfab, I'm acutally waiting on two ZLCs ordered in March of last year.

Lastnight I did receive a Decware koozie apologizing for the current lead times...

How long you want to wait for delivery on a purchase is just a pay your money and take your choice decision. It's YOUR decision.

If I'm making something for you and you pay a deposit (or 100% up front, as we offshore types do with Decware) then how long it takes me to build it is YOUR, the customer's, problem. You no like? Go elsewhere.

Accounting for WHEN you will get it (plus/minus a month or two, say) is, however, a problem for me, if I'm making the product. I'm taking your $$, so I should be able to give you delivery info, so you can decide. You might not like what I tell you, so you should be able to bail.

Isn't the real problem not the length of the queue, but the fact that people ordering have no idea when their order will be filled? There's an issue of proportionality here. If I make a product that's in demand, saying, I dunno, four five months to delivery?, that's one thing. Months, okay, who cares.

I dunno when you'll get it. Two three years? is a whole other ballgame. There many well be amps out there, available today, that I might want to consider against a 2 year wait. Thing is, w/o the info, I can't make that decision. (For avoidance of doubt, I am all in on three amps but if I'd known in advance, I'm not so sure.)

Hey, life is a bitch and we're all doing our best. If I take people's money for my quality product, they'll have to wait till I'm done making it, 'cause until it passes my filter, it ain't goin' out the door. But I sure will tell them WHEN they'll get it (roughly) when money changes hands. Again, a matter of months, this doesn't apply so much. A two-year queue, and the gods of business will, I think, weigh in with this: Start running an operation, or issue a disclaimer that you make no guarantees about delivery. In a big banner on the website. That'll wake people up.

Of course, AFAIK anyone is free to cancel their order and get a refund at pretty much any time up to very close to delivery, if the wait thing is too long.

Oh, hell. Maybe I should just start treating this whole thing as a religion, look forward to my delivery a year from now on something I ordered 7 months ago when the wait list looked like 10 months, and shut the f up. I mean, I'm open to suggestions.

It's not just Decware.  If you order a Subzero fridge it's a year out.  They supposedly do a good job estimating delivery time but other appliance makers just tell you a number and then drastically exceed it.  I guess we all have to do our homework and not make assumptions.

I'm just grateful we don't have to read any mean Tweets.

Yeah, we've had our fun.
I just hope no one gets hurt, "Brandon' is simply a flash in the pan and we can get back to the "new normal" soon.

A reminder:

https://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?virboard=classifieds;num=16168154...

Well aware Lon. I do know where I am. For now. Thanks though! Sometimes 'that' bleeds or relates into everyday life. And does affect business/people...in a big way. My sarcasm and attempt at humor was well placed. I hit a few nerves maybe? I know how that can be! I'll try to be good now. As a retired PO, I haven't quite mellowed where I want to be yet. Workin' on it. Have a great day,  Mike     ~~ by the way Joey. I agree! We don't have the tv on anything but that stupid shopping channel (turned all the way down, just for something on..except for some bush she just bought. LOL) We can't even stomach the commercials. It's been like this for months. Need to just disconnect the thing, except for concerts and huntin' vids we own. Outdoor folks mostly anyway. The thing is useless. Take care man..

"and there are other places to discuss politics, culture war, etc" You'd be amazed at how untrue that is these days! LOL Shit man, we're censored all over. We're monsters! I get your drift though Lon. Take care. Mike .Over/out...

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Some people must have seriously limited news sources.

Easy enough to de-politicize previous commentary concerning shortages.

Shortages of many items, inflation, worker shortage, etc. is happening in all regions of the world.

The pandemic displaced and/or reoriented practically all aspects of commerce,  - everywhere -. Yes, there actually is commerce in countries other than the U.S., believe it or not. And commerce has been international in scope, to varying degrees, for a long time. In any case, the U.S. has chip fabricators, most European countries do, one company in Taiwan makes almost 50% of all chips. But it doesn't matter who makes how many, none of them foresaw what was coming.

There was momentarily an increase in fab capacity, as auto makers and others canceled orders as the pandemic took hold. But then there was a sudden upshot in sales of home computers, teleconferencing equipment, (Decware amplifiers), etc. All of a sudden the chip makers were at full capacity, and now with order backlogs exceeding capacity by 20% or more, from pre-existing and new orders from companies not making computers. Chips are in almost everything nowadays, in kitchen appliances, in CNC rigs, in machines of every sort, in the machines that make parts for those machines, etc. So now everything that is directly or indirectly dependent on chips (meaning, almost everything) is 'molassified.'

No president, no chancellor, no premier, no prime minister told those auto makers to cancel some orders, they did not tell millions to suddenly buy more computers, did not prohibit chip fabricators from building out capacity they didn't know they would need, and they did not tell shippers to not build more ships they didn't know they would need.

IT - JUST - HAPPENED.

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WE - JUST - HAPPENED

Spend a clear night in the remotest part of our country and look up. What you all will see is real power. Not the weak self serving power of human manipulation. But, a force of physics that have a set of standards that will not sway.

The thought above aways gives me comfort in this troubled world. Peace of mind. My audio system comes in a close second of solace.

John

I beg to differ Mike. We lived longer because we payed(paid) attention.

John

WOW! good news at last.  Based on your calculations I may get mine for Christmas since I ordered in October

Two weeks shy of the "free t-shirt 4 us" club. Must say Decware is crushing it lately.

I started out in the mid 900's, and now in the 600's.  Rolling right along...

I'm at 940 now!! And the new phone book is here!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aIf1YnbbU

Big flex Mike?