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Reply #50 - 08/12/20 at 19:21:20
 
Thatís wonderful, thanks!
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Reply #51 - 08/14/20 at 04:34:21
 
Is there any advantage and or risk to using a better power cable with the ZRock?
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Reply #52 - 08/14/20 at 07:05:56
 
I have always found nicer power cords better, at least the ones that fit my tastes and needs. I have had a few that others think are really good that I have not liked though. I also prefer having a variety myself, giving me flexibility for matching really well with each component, especially as I introduce new components into the system blend. Sometimes a clearer and leaner one is better, and sometimes a warmer and richer one fits better, but all I like are pretty neutral seeming for the most part. Every time I move cables around, I do tend to find interesting results, always finding one or another better sounding for given components, and that, in turn, making the whole nicer.

Never heard of any possible risk with any well made audio cables. They all  seem to deliver the basic power. It is just that they do it with various levels of finesse and emphasis, sounding different depending on ends, metals, gauges, dielectrics, geometry, shielding, damping, etc.
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Reply #53 - 08/14/20 at 11:06:58
 
Thanks Will for the detailed response.  Was just making sure the ZBox is happy with other power cables.

The ZBox doesnít have a power switch, is it supposed to remain on perpetually cooking the tube?
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Reply #54 - 08/14/20 at 12:44:13
 
I too have found power cords make a significant difference to the ZROCK2. And yes, it's designed to be left on at all times, the tube is long-lasting in this device.
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Reply #55 - 08/14/20 at 14:01:16
 
I absolutely love the ZBox, it was perfect for me. It helps to better impedance match the Border Patrol to my amp.  The Schiit Loki was terrible, suckEd the life out of everything, the Roon EQ is much better.  

The Border Patrol SE-i, Hegel, and the ZBox with Dueland interconnects is a great triad.
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Reply #56 - 08/14/20 at 14:35:45
 
So, is the Border Patrol what you were looking for? Iíve been interested in it since I first read about it. I have the PS Audio JR, and would like your opinion about how the Border compares to the PS Audio.

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Reply #57 - 08/14/20 at 15:54:41
 
Glad you are digging it! I figured the Schiit EQ would be subpar. . . from what I have read online. Roll a few tubes and keep having fun.
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Reply #58 - 08/14/20 at 18:21:26
 
Do you think something like this would be good?  I like the idea of it being from 1960ís England 😂

https://upscaleaudio.com/collections/preamp-tubes/products/brimar-cv4003-12au7
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Reply #59 - 08/14/20 at 18:23:51
 
Yes, probably. I've tried a Brimar in my ZROCK2 and though it's not one that "synergizes" best with my system it's a good tube.
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Reply #60 - 08/14/20 at 18:29:17
 
I wasnít able to find any of your top 3. Where do you get them?

Iím an Upscale customer so theyíre convenient.
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Reply #61 - 08/14/20 at 18:32:48
 
I generally buy off eBay. I just keep looking and see what shows up. I have had very very good luck on eBay with tubes--nothing to complain about.

You may wish to inquire what tubes Decware would offer in the 12AU7 replacement category. The Sylvania that he recently shipped me is one of the bet of its types I've ever had. And his selecting, testing and matching are thorough and can be trusted--when you get one of his tubes it's fully operational and balanced.
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Reply #62 - 08/14/20 at 19:03:49
 
Cool. Whatís the name and number of the Sylvania?
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Reply #63 - 08/14/20 at 19:41:50
 
What he sent this time was a Sylvania 8691 which is a 12AU7 variant, often listed as a 12AU7W--generally a military (JAN) tube. It's a bit on the warm/bassy side, which works well in my systems.
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Reply #64 - 08/14/20 at 19:44:34
 
Yes, warm bassy works for men too. Was the Brimar not that?
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Reply #65 - 08/14/20 at 19:49:54
 
No, the Brimar was more neutral and a bit dry in my system.
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Reply #66 - 08/14/20 at 20:26:03
 
Hi Geno - yes, I really like the Border Patrol SE-i and have sold my DirectStream Junior.  The DSJ is a great DAC, but Iím liking the easy breezy ways of the Border Patrol.  Itís difficult to declare one as being better, theyíre just different.  The BP is far more forgiving.  Gary Dews offers free shipping and a 14 day trial.  I asked him to break mine in prior to shipment so Iíd be ready to go out if the gate instead of spending the 14 days on breaking in.  Itís worth giving it an audition, the value proposition is great.  By selling my entire DSJ/Matrix rig I was able to buy all sorts of stuff, the BP and the used ZBox, upgraded my amp and new Duelund interconnects.

As Iíve mentioned here, and at length on the PSA forums, while I enjoyed the DSJ, I have soured on the whole upsample to the moon approach.  The BP feels more natural.  Does is color the sound?  It does. But Iím not a purist and I find itís coloration very pleasing.

Is the BP my forever DAC?  Not likely as I like to switch things up after a number of years.  But I am thrilled with the BP SE-i/ ZBox/ Hegel triad.  It was the right move for me, no question.  

And I figure this is a good time to sell DSJís before PSA offers its replacement.  Mine sold in less than 24 hours.  I got $2600 for the DSJ, Matrix and Mocha I2S.  Fair enough.
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Reply #67 - 08/14/20 at 20:41:09
 
Geno, also pay attention to your amp/ preamps input impedance.  Border Patrol recommends at least 20K.  My Hegel was only 10K, and while it sounded good, inserting the ZBox (100K) certainly elevated the sound.
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Reply #68 - 08/14/20 at 21:13:47
 
Thanks Man. I appreciate the reply. May have to try one to satisfy my curiosity. Definitely more economical, even with the extras.
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Reply #69 - 08/14/20 at 22:24:49
 
Lon - is this the one youíre talking about?

ď 12AU7WA/6189 Sylvania Military/Commercial GradeĒ
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Reply #70 - 08/14/20 at 22:59:00
 
Yes. That's the one. There are a lot of GE out there too, and they are probably pretty good, but the Sylvania Steve sent surprised me in a very good way.
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Reply #71 - 08/14/20 at 23:23:18
 
That AudioTubes website has them for $20, as well as some other similar ones.  The website you sent with all,the detailed descriptions.  Poorly done website for finding stuff, no search, have to read through the whole thing!
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Reply #72 - 08/15/20 at 02:55:43
 
Aloha Lon - do you use the 12AT7ís or just the 12AU7ís?
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Reply #73 - 08/15/20 at 03:15:02
 
I'm using 12AU7 since I put the ZBOX back into service in the headphone system. When I was using the ZBOX in the past I had a pair of Decware SE34 Monoblocks (no longer offered) and was using the ZBOX as a sort of preamp for these and the greater gain from the 12AT7 was welcome.
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Reply #74 - 08/15/20 at 03:16:50
 
Regarding Brent Jesse's site: as I mentioned above I haven't bought tubes from him. But I find things easily enough, what he has in stock is below the descriptions and I use a "Find" search to find the tube types on the admittedly long page.
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Reply #75 - 08/15/20 at 04:45:15
 
Yes, itís a very new old stock website design, circa 1995, lovely tone 😂
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Reply #76 - 08/15/20 at 05:05:16
 
Hey old designs don't bother me. At least there's not videos everywhere-- that annoys the heck out of me!

There is some very useful information on his pages.
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Reply #77 - 08/15/20 at 06:01:45
 
Agreed, the info is great.  Have you tried to order anything?  Thatís where it really gets back to the mid 1990ís 😂😂😂
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Reply #78 - 08/16/20 at 03:32:47
 
When shopping for tubes, do you guys buy the ďbufferĒ or ďlineĒ grade for the ZBox/ ZRock?  Is there a meaningful disadvantage to saving the money vs the higher grades?
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