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JP

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tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
02/07/18 at 21:01:55

Hello
I currently own a vpi prime tt with a ortofon 2m black cart, a Manley chinook phono stage, wyred4sound stpse preamp, parasound a21 amp with ascend acoustics tower speakers with RAAL tweeters . I have been contemplating going from ss to tube amp and am looking at the tori JR. Can anyone give me an idea of the differneces I can expect to experience ? I listen to 70% classic rock, 20% blues, and 10% jazz. I listen moderately loud but not ear splitting levels Thanks

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busterfree

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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #1 - 02/08/18 at 00:35:16

Welcome to the forum!

What draws you to the torii jr? Do you think your amp is the weak link in your system? Do you have any room treatments? What is your room like? What is your power situation (dedicated circuit, surge protection, etc)? Is this a music only system?

I cannot answer your specific question. I think having a back up amp is worthwhile. I am 2 watt amp guy, but I would have a ZMA if I had less effecient speakers. I am sure the torii jr is great, but I have no experience with it.

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beowulf

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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #2 - 02/08/18 at 03:11:23

Welcome to the forums, nice system you have there and Parasound makes some good gear as well. I can understand your interest in seeing what else is out there and Decware put out great gear at what I like to call blue collar working man's prices.

I went to the Ascend website just briefly, but didn't see the specs for your speakers. What are they (i.e. sensitivity, impedance, etc.)?

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JP

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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #3 - 02/08/18 at 14:26:03

Goo morning and thanks for the responses.I am not unhappy with the sound I was just wondering if tubes would make an overall improvement in my system. I dont have dedicated room treatments- they would not meet the WAF(wife approval factor).
These are the specs on the speakers

Typical In-Room Frequency Response 34Hz - 27kHz ± 3dB
In-Room Sensitivity 92dB @ 2.83v / 1 meter
Frequency Response (Anechoic) 41Hz - 28kHz ± 3dB
Sensitivity (Anechoic) 89dB @ 2.83v / 1 meter
Impedance Compatibility 8, 6, and 4 ohm rated amps and receivers
Minimum Impedance 4 ohms
Minimum Recommended Power 25 watts
Maximum Continuous Power* 300 watts

Thanks

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Tommy Freefall Seasoned Member Posts: 400	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #4 - 02/08/18 at 18:15:15 JP, I recently went from SS (Bryston) to a Torii Jr, and after doing so wondered why I waited so long. The TJ is awesome. My speakers are a bit more sensitive (93db) than yours are though. Also, since you like classic rock at moderate levels, a ZRock2 might bring noticeable improvement.
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JP Verified Member Posts: 34	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #5 - 02/09/18 at 17:18:09 Thanks. The zrock looks intriguing but i am concerned about adding another component in the signal path.
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23514	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #6 - 02/09/18 at 17:53:36 JP, I worried about that for many years too but. . . adding the ZBIT and then the ZROCK2 rather than diminishing sonics in any way really opened up the sound and improved everything. So I get the reluctance, but these are great devices to add in my experience.
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JP Verified Member Posts: 34	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #7 - 02/09/18 at 18:56:47 So the chain would be phono pre, z rock , then preamp? If I am reading between the lines it sounds like I should start out with keeping my existing set up and start with the zrock tweak and go form there?
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23514	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #8 - 02/09/18 at 19:01:49 I would place the ZROCK2 after the preamp if you are going to have a preamp in the system, between the preamp and amplifier.
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JP Verified Member Posts: 34	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #9 - 02/09/18 at 19:12:23 After I posted, I just glossed over the manual and it says place between your source and the preamp/amplifier so now I'm confused...
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Archie Seasoned Member Posts: 2731	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #10 - 02/09/18 at 23:22:52 I asked Steve and he told me to put it after my CSP3 -- so, between your pre and your amp.
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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #11 - 02/10/18 at 12:43:38

You can try it both ways and settle on what works best for your system which is what I did. After doing that the ZR2 ended up after my CSP3.

I can’t say enough good things about the ZR2 and about Decware. Like others on this forum I’ve been in this ‘hobby’ for quite a while. Started with tube systems, went to ss and back to tubes. My system now is all Decware.

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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #12 - 02/11/18 at 15:44:01

JP- Welcome to the forum. The forum has some wonderful, knowledgable members and lots of info and opinions. Way back in the late 90's I bought a CS84SE 2 watt amp kit and an experiment just to see (hear) what it would bring to the mix. Over a period of time, sold all other gear (except TT) and bought our Decware/Omega system. You have some really nice gear now, adding a Decware amp will really change the playing field. I think it will re-invent the way you listen to music. I will never look back and regret our purchase and still plan to add a pre-amp sometime. Keep us posted on your quest and happy listening, Chris.

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JP Verified Member Posts: 34	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #13 - 02/11/18 at 23:01:49 Thank you all for the responses. I really appreciate it. So if you had my equipment, what decware piece would you add first ?
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Donnie Seasoned Member Why does it hurt when I pee? Posts: 2196	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #14 - 02/11/18 at 23:22:53 Simple. ZMA.
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busterfree Seasoned Member Posts: 431	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #15 - 02/11/18 at 23:38:43 CSP3, then upgrade rectifier and input tube, then ZMA
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busterfree Seasoned Member Posts: 431	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #16 - 02/11/18 at 23:47:02 Or Torii Jr if you are happy with your preamp and a ZMA is out of your budget.
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JP

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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #17 - 02/12/18 at 18:28:09

So if I started with a csp3, then I could add it to my existing set up for now in the following way- run a separate set of RCA jacks to the csp3 from the phono pre. Then connect that to the parasound a21. Leave my extisting preamp hooked up for now so i can compare the sound. If I like it better, sell my existing preamp. If I like both , keep the csp3 for headphone duties since my existing preamp does not have a headphone out.
Sounds ok to do this way?

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. Dick Posts: 23514	Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ? Reply #18 - 02/12/18 at 18:30:16 That sounds like a good plan.
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Re: tori jr vs parasound - yet another help a newbie ?
Reply #19 - 02/19/18 at 03:51:07

Enjoy my Parasound pre and amp……I have a the zp3 fed by the VPI Scout and I am happy. I don't have loads of money to seek out the best combo… I have a million other things that I need to spend money on, music is just one…I love what I have….I am fortunate to be able to own a 2k amp, zp3, and everything else…Could it be better, blank yea it could be…but what I got is what I got and I am done unless something breaks

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