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Reply #50 - 10/31/14 at 15:50:30
 
Just my point of view: years ago I did the foam thing. The only foam I felt really did anything extremely positive was a very dense heavy foam piece I lucked upon that didn't even visibly compress under my EICO HF81 integrated amp, and that amp has some iron on it.

I just don't like the sound of the foam under components, if that were taking care of the bulk of isolation concerns I'd stick to the hard rubber feet. But there are better ways, in my case a great rack, wooden platforms, Herbie's Iso-cups, VooDoo Cable Iso-Pods, and PowerBases. I tried homemade sand boxes, inner tubes under things. . . just not the right ways for me. Others mileage appears to vary. I'm glad that my wife hated the look of the homemade ways as well, that allowed me to spend more for ways she thought looked better (and certainly worked better).

Pal, my suggestion for next is a better rack, get away from glass and mdf.
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Reply #51 - 10/31/14 at 15:50:53
 
Somehow I thought you might vote diffusers.

Did you ever get your new foam cutting wire and have you tested it yet?

Don't forget our other little DIY project we have cooking either.
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Reply #52 - 10/31/14 at 15:51:30
 
Update on Foobar RamDisk.

Ted Smith at PS Audio pointed out that Foobar has a File Buffer (ram buffer) setting in the Advanced settings, and you get set a specific amount of memory aside for the File Buffer to cache the music through before it gets rendered through Foobar and out to the DAC.

I did some extensive testing last night, spent almost 3 hours testing different settings, A/B with/without, A/B RamDisk vs File Buffer etc...then lost a post that took me 45 minutes to write up describing testing methods and findings!!

The short version, RamDisk rocks - I like it better than the built in File Buffer - though the File Buffer does offer an improvement, just not quite as nice as RamDisk. In fact I was re-listening to some of my favorite albums last night, and there was lots of toe-tapping and getting distracted while I was doing other things online. This RamBuffer has breathed a bit of life back into my setup (more specifically the DS) that I seemed to have lost...or maybe I simply got used to the sound quality of what I had, and this tweak leveled it up again, noticeably.

Thanks again for the suggestion Palomino! I'm glad this thread and your suggestions gave me the idea to try it!
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Reply #53 - 10/31/14 at 15:54:34
 
Cool. You guys can now see why I've enjoyed the PWT for so long! That buffer rocks.
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Reply #54 - 10/31/14 at 15:55:09
 
Probably a good suggestion Lon.  I sent Steve at Herbies a note I'll see what his suggestions are as well.

Raven, I don't think I'd build a monstrosity, but I am interested in any plans you may have.  I have wood skills too, although, they are Green Acres kinda wood skills.
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Reply #55 - 10/31/14 at 15:59:48
 
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Somehow I thought you might vote diffusers.

Did you ever get your new foam cutting wire and have you tested it yet?

Don't forget our other little DIY project we have cooking either.


I did get some wire for my DIY foam cutter - but their listing on amazon was confusing, and I bought the wrong gauge. I could build a heater to heat the garage with this stuff! That said, I'm still going to give it a try - the thicker gauge might just give me the option to use a 12v battery charger on it's slow charge setting, and be able to feed foam through it like it was a laser beam. I've just not had time to get back to this project with some custom Rifle builds on my plate, house projects, and three weddings I need to prepare for.

As for our other project, I'm eager and waiting for more info/parts. The measurements have been taken, so I'm just waiting...
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Reply #56 - 10/31/14 at 16:03:46
 
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Raven, I don't think I'd build a monstrosity, but I am interested in any plans you may have.  I have wood skills too, although, they are Green Acres kinda wood skills.


You draw it out according to what you want in your room, and I can figure out how best to build it. I've starting building both solid maple shelves, as well as MDF/plywood according to some suggestions from Steve at Herbie's. I also have the ability to rout out chambers that can be filled with play sand or lead shot. Lots of options, but the first step is to draw out what you want for your room.
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Reply #57 - 11/01/14 at 05:37:25
 
Palomino, From the sound you explain, it seems your room and gear are performing well above average, and in ways that are quite satisfying to you.

Beware of making the computer playback too good!

From your cocktail table explanation, my guess is that you are experiencing notable vibration from it, the metal and glass in particular. I have not used glass, but tile is pretty deadly. Being hard, it can sound pretty interesting and clear, but it sets up its own resonance that is far from even in frequency range and does the bad stuff to electronics. Idon't know, but suspect glass would be similar, and a pretty serious influence. So it does not surprise me that the foam gave a more complete sound stage. After playing with a lot of different materials for feet, I found most did something wrong to the balance. Finally I figured I needed a baseline to work from that was neutral. This is why I went for isocups, more complete shelf isolation, and fat dots under the the feet of the old teak cabinet I use. I am thinking of getting some thick hard maple for my gear shelves to drive it all home.

It will be interesting to hear what Steve H suggests. He has spent a lot of time experimenting!

It may or may not be the best bang for the buck, but I would guess your weakest link is resonance and vibrations from your rack. And this is truly baseline stuff, that I highly suspect you will one day want to resolve.

I wonder....If your cocktail table is ideal otherwise, and the legs and rails are stable and sturdy, it could be interesting to make nice neutral gear shelves for it that do not touch the metal frame on the sides, and floated on pieces of soundcoat, grungbuster, or the like. And maybe put several layers of soundcoat under the legs. Then, if you wanted to go further, you could, using the shelves for a more refined rack if needed, and perhaps more intense stuff to drain and protect the legs.

Then maybe three isocups under the Rachel, some cork or soundcoat cut round to fit onto the MINI base, Soundcoat or grundbuster pieces making a tripod under your drive, and maybe that itty bitty DAC too..not sure there! Altogether, I bet something like this would give you a pretty stable system to go from.

I just did a bunch of variations on the Mini feet. I put soundcoat on the wide part of the BDR cones and a large round piece that fits the round plastic base of the Mini. I ended up with the foot cone points up and about an inch into the diameter of the newly soundcoated base, and with grungbuster under the cones. With the weight on top, the cones are pressing into the soundcoat/plastic base, making a better connection to the aluminum body. Smoother, a wee touch warmer, and cleaner sounding than what I had. This was the best but variations were subtle which made me think that saving 60 on the feet, and just the soundcoat base and weight might work pretty well...especially with three 1/2 inch pieces of grungbuster "footing" for more damping, and creating more tension base to metal.


Raven,

PureMusic and Audirvana do the memory music Buffer/play thing that seem like what you found in Foobar. I put PureMusic in a RAMdisk, and left the memory play on, so the songs are played from memory, and the program is working from memory. I wonder if you checked Foobar that way...using both the buffer and the RAMdisk?

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Reply #58 - 11/01/14 at 05:57:27
 
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PureMusic and Audirvana do the memory music Buffer/play thing that it seem like what you found in Foobar. I put PureMusic in a RAMdisk, and left the memory play on, so the songs are played from memory, and the program is working from memory. I wonder if you checked Foobar that way...using both the buffer and the RAMdisk?


I did, and everything sounds the same through the File Buffer, regardless of source. File Buffer sounds better than no-file buffer, but RamDisk sounds better. Ramdisk through File Buffer takes it down a bit.

It's a couple mouse clicks more effort using the RamDisk, and I should purchase some more memory, but it's worth it for the sound. It's really been a nice step up in my system, way more than I expected.
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Reply #59 - 11/01/14 at 11:40:41
 
Steve basically said tender feet or isocups.  He said tender feet first due to cost only.  I'll do some experimenting.  

Building a rack is not out of the question.  I'm project-less currently unless I ramp up the diffuser project or raven and I embark on the secret build.
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Reply #60 - 11/01/14 at 14:00:19
 
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Building a rack is not out of the question.  I'm project-less currently unless I ramp up the diffuser project or raven and I embark on the secret build.

"The Secret Build"! Damn that sounds fun!
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Reply #61 - 11/01/14 at 15:05:41
 
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Dude, if you were closer, you'd totally be in! Anyone who rides a cool BMW adventure bike is cool enough for our clandestine building club.

That said, we'd need to work on your woodworking skills, or delegate you to gofer.  :)   Grin

If all the pieces fit into place (including budgets) we'll have a fun project to show off in the next 4-6 weeks. Not including our diffuser builds, of which I've been struggling with mine for a year because I'm a slacker and design things way too complex. Palo's diffusers should be more reasonable so we can churn them out as fast as his budget will permit.
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Reply #62 - 11/01/14 at 18:14:51
 
Raven,

Raven said: "File Buffer sounds better than no-file buffer, but RamDisk sounds better. Ramdisk through File Buffer takes it down a bit. "

I don't know...that sounds different somehow than "memory" play. "RAMdisk through File Buffer" sounds like one process after the other. Don't know, but I am pretty sure that by moving the PureMusic app into RAM, it just does its regular stuff, but all from RAM, including "memory play" where each tune is loaded into memory before it plays.

Palomino,

"Steve basically said tender feet or isocups.  He said tender feet first due to cost only."

I wonder if that means Steve thinks his feet resolve shelf material issues?

If you try them, I would recommend getting some of each, as tenderfeet and isocups sound pretty different depending on components. It would be nice to be able to compare if you don't mind sending them back if they don't work there. I find tenderfeet good under some stuff, but especially the Toriis.....they sounded "off." Even the heavy ones. But under light stuff, they can sound good to me...this may not translate to there though! I bet tenderfeet might be good under your DAC.
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Reply #63 - 11/01/14 at 18:53:34
 
That said...As I continue to sort out the cabinet vibrations, the component feet make less difference. It still amazes me though, how moving the isocups around under the Torii, or changing the balls can change the sound as much as it does. The Torii is heavy though!

The RAMdisk continues to present challenges for me, but I am getting there. I love what it does with decent recordings, but it brings out tonal imbalances in areas that were OK before in lesser ones. By reducing noise it notably increases subtle tonal definition and dynamics, making the beauty more beautiful, but the delicate balance I need across the spectrum more elusive!

I am determined though!
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Reply #64 - 11/01/14 at 19:19:54
 
Isolation control is a fascinating thing! I have multiple levels going and each brings improvement.

It fascinates me also how the different balls for the Iso-Cups work and how moving the Iso-Cups under components (especially the amps) can change the sound. Just . .. .

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Reply #65 - 11/01/14 at 20:21:32
 
That's me!

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Reply #66 - 11/02/14 at 08:19:39
 
Interesting that McGowan's latest post is about RAMdisk ... its like we all have this connection or something Grin
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Reply #67 - 11/02/14 at 13:31:43
 
My guess is that raven posted over in that forum.
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Reply #68 - 11/02/14 at 14:31:04
 

Is anyone else a bit weirded out that our friendly neighborhood Luddite is using memes (appropriately even!)?

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Interesting that McGowan's latest post is about RAMdisk ... its like we all have this connection or something Grin


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My guess is that raven posted over in that forum.


I can neither confirm nor deny that may have inspired/instigated another Paul's Post with all that goes rattling around in my head, and the questions that follow.  :)
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Reply #69 - 11/02/14 at 20:31:04
 
Raven said:
Is anyone else a bit weirded out that our friendly neighborhood Luddite is using memes (appropriately even!)?


I don't get this, please explain. What is the "mene" in question. Not sure that I recognize a real mene in this thread, the way I know the word to mean, unless there's some hip young way to use mene that I don't recognize (and google doesn't specify)? Is the Jackie Chan jpg somehow a meme?

Plus I could perhaps think I myself am viewed as "our friendly neighborhood Luddite" though I think that's not an accurate description of my relationship with technology. (I love technology, just don't like the way it has been used to allow corporate imperialism, global ecological danger, and I'm not fond of mixing audio and computers at the home level--doesn't make me a Luddite in my view).

Just curious. Enlighten me as to what you mean.
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Reply #70 - 11/03/14 at 00:30:23
 
Lon, I think it's just LR's affectionate way of Poking Fun while at the same time paying you a complement. I could be wrong? It was kind of funny?

My Girlfriend does it to me all the time and we have fun with it  ;) Wink Wink
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Reply #71 - 11/03/14 at 00:37:59
 
I thought that may be the case, I'm not upset, and I don't care, not sure I want to be ribbed that way but it's okay. . . I just don't get what the "meme" is he's referring to. . . Nothing indicates a "meme" to me in anything I posted there. A "meme" is a specific thing that I don't see there, unless there's some technonerd term I don't know or can fine online.
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Reply #72 - 11/03/14 at 01:10:37
 
@ Palomino ... yes, that post was somewhat tongue in cheek as I know LR probably posted something about that over there ...

@ Lon, the "meme" is that we were talking about RAMdisk here on the Decware forums and all of a sudden Paul McGowan posted about RAMdisk on one of his latest posts.  Since a meme is an idea that is spread from person to person within a culture (that culture being audiophiles) via some sort of imitable phenomena (mimicked theme), I thought it would be funny to say that it spread somehow culturally through something (that something was of course Lonely Raven Grin)
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Reply #73 - 11/03/14 at 01:15:47
 
Okay, yes, that's a "meme" as I understand it, I just didn't think that was what/who Eric was referring to at all. My mind is really jumbled today, my situation here at my parents is nearing unbearable at times. My mind is darting all over the place. Wish I could be back at my GF's.

Thanks for the explication.

Back to listening to Mildred Bailey. She could never be a star these days, but she was something.
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